Title: Spy vs Spy — Ep 959
Show: Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli
Date: 2026-01-26
URL: https://youtu.be/uLD02oLoGHU
Duration: 2:09:00

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[01:06] made it happen. He's a former CIA counter inelligence agent. Uh he is the he is the uh torture whistleblower and he's got wonderful podcast. Please welcome John Keryaku. >> Hey, thank you. Good to be with you. It's a pleasure. >> Honor and a privilege, man. I've been watching your stuff for a while. So, the fact that you joined us is wonderful. For those who may not be familiar with you, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you? >> Thank you. Yeah, I've got a couple of podcasts, actually three podcasts, all

[01:38] running at the same time. I've got one called um Deep Program on Rumble and YouTube every morning at 9:00 Eastern. I've got one called Deep Focus on on um YouTube, which is kind of like my flagship one that comes out a couple times a week. And then I've got one that just has taken on a complete life of its own on Apple Podcast called uh John Kiryaku's Dead Drop. >> I love that, dude. I love that. If you do four more podcast, you'll catch up with me. >> There you go. >> I'm a crazy person who can't stop doing

[02:09] podcast. >> What What we'll do for $300 a month. It's just [laughter] incredible. >> My brother My brother once insulted me by saying that he never knew anybody who would work as hard for $20 as I would. Hey, dude. That's honorable, my friend. That's honorable there. I wish we had more people like that. Uh, so, you know, you I've seen you on all the big shows. Uh, I I love everything you're doing. My question I want to start off with with you is, you know, you know, you hear

[02:40] Kurt Mezer talking about this a little bit about how like now with AI, uh, we won't know what is real. Uh, Kurt's been saying this, I've been saying it for a very long time. is like, have we ever really known it? What is real? Is anything real? I mean, how much of our reality is being manipulated by our intelligence services and our the elites to the point that we worship maybe people that weren't that great a people? Uh we we have certain views on the world that are manufactured by a hidden hand.

[03:10] What are your thoughts on all that? >> You know, I I hate to say that I think that view is correct. I I wish it wasn't correct, but but you know, the the more we learn about what our government has done ostensibly in our name, the more that statement rings true, whether we're talking about AI today, u or we're talking about MK Ultra between roughly 1952 or 3 and 1975. We can talk about the buildup uh to the

[03:42] Iraq war and the New York Times um fake revelations that that helped uh sway public opinion to support the Iraq war. There's so much of it that is just such complete horseshit >> that's that's spoonfed to the American people. Like where do you even start? >> Yeah. I mean like if we go back to the hippie culture, I always feel that like 1950, you know, the assassination or whatever exact year that was, the assassination of JFK marks a turning point in this

[04:13] country and this kind of move by the elites, the bringing in of uh Nazis into almost every aspect of our government and then the OSS becomes a CIA and it just becomes this kind of thing where like, you know, I don't know if you would consider the CIA evil. I know you used to work with a lot of people over there and I >> I spent 15 years there. Um, another thing I hate to say is is yeah, I I would consider the CIA to be evil. Not

[04:43] the entire CIA and not, you know, 95% of the of the very smart, very patriotic, very honest people who just want to, you know, serve their country and and keep Americans safe. But yeah, when you've got something that's known as the as the Tuesday morning kill list meeting where the CIA director, you know, is meeting with with uh National Security Council and a bunch of lawyers to drop a list of people to kill that week and then they send the teams out around the world to to do their hits and then they meet up

[05:15] again the next Tuesday morning to come up with another list. Then that's that's a real problem. And one thing I I at my age of 53, I've learned is that evil never sleeps, right? [laughter] Like like just good people just want to live their life, make a dollar, take care of their family, have a beer, get laid once in a while, just feel like they've accomplished something. But evil never rests. It's constantly pressing all the time. And it just seems like this seem like the CIA has been behind so much

[05:48] chaotic stuff that it's got to be when you're working there. Now, when you're working there and you see something go off and you go, "That might be us." And maybe you don't think it's the best thing ever or you're like, "Oh, that's a little weird." What is What does that feel like when something pops off and you go, "Oh, dude, that's probably us. That's not good." >> Yeah. like the destruction of the uh the what's the Russian pipeline uh called? >> Oh yeah. Yeah. What? Nordstream. >> Nordstream. Nordstream. Nordstream too.

[06:19] I called a buddy of mine the next day. Everybody's like the papers. It was Putin. He blew up the Nordstream P. Why in blazes would Putin blow [laughter] up his own pipeline number one. So I called a buddy of mine at the who's still at the agency and I said that that had to be us, right? And he was like, "Dude, I I I can't talk about this." I said, "No, no, that's okay. I get it. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy. Of course, it was us." So, yeah. And then, you know, you you whisper to all the newspapers and to the news outlets on on

[06:51] cable, it was the Russians. It's a false flag operation. They blew up their own pipeline just so they could blame us. Like, no, no, that's not the way it is. It just doesn't it doesn't make any sense when you actually the you know what you know when you're on this side we'll say the conspiratorial people you you really have to look at stuff without emotion cuz everybody is so emotional at that point. >> You're absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. And don't forget that the term

[07:21] conspiracy theory >> was created by the CIA. >> Yep. to get people to uh not question the JFK assassination and not question a bullet that takes a Uturn >> and comes back and hits the guy again. I mean, and it just goes into again that good people just want to trust. >> It's exhausting not to trust. It can be exhausting. Then you understand the the playbook and you kind of go, "Okay, that's what they're doing there. They've they did that before. They did that before. They did that before."

[07:52] >> And that's that's exactly right. And then you run into situations where some people can't turn it off and so everything becomes a conspiracy. I had a a woman, she was she was the wife of of an ambassador assigned to the United States and she called me and said, "I think I'm under surveillance. I was wondering if I could hire you to do counter surveillance." I said, "Of course." So I met with her at a restaurant and I did a surveillance detection route to and from the place. I

[08:23] didn't see any surveillance. The place was empty. It was just us. And I said I said, "How far away from the restaurant do you live?" She said, "Walking distance." I walked here. I said, "Okay, you leave before I leave. I'll follow you to your apartment, you know, a couple of blocks back. So, if there is surveillance, I'll be able to spot the surveillance on you." I didn't see anything on her. So, I went to her apartment and she's the entire interior is covered in aluminum foil. And as soon

[08:53] as I walked in, I was like [laughter] I said I said, "Did you did you put the put the aluminum foil up on the walls?" And she said, "Yes, it was to uh reflect the uh x-rays." I said, "Okay." Well, I told her later that night. She she called me like minutes after I left to say the neighbors were in the process of of beaming waves at her and if I rushed back I could see the waves. So I rush back. She points from her balcony at

[09:23] this apartment across the way and it's just a young couple there had strung up some Christmas lights. [laughter] >> And and I said, "You're not under surveillance. The CIA is not beaming waves at you. Your [clears throat] neighbors are not undercover officers. Those are just Christmas lights." And I said, "In good conscience, I can't take your money. I and I won't take your money." I didn't. She was very angry. And she said, "Well, at least you could give me some advice." And I said, "I'm saying this as a friend. I advise you to find a qualified

[09:55] psychiatrist because you are not under surveillance by anybody and I think you need psychiatric intervention." >> Did she have >> You threw me out. Did she have any reason to for her to think she was being being looked at or something? Is there because I mean surveillance? >> Yeah. Is there any reason? No. >> No. None. And then there's there's one giveaway um answer uh when you when you ask them to describe their surveillance. Does the surveillance travel with you? Like are are you under surveillance at

[10:27] your home and your work or are you under surveillance all the time? and she said 24 hours a day, no matter where I go, no matter where I sleep. And I was like, "Okay, all right. I I got you." >> That would be an a very expensive detail. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. To Now, if if you're the Chinese ambassador, okay, or you're the KGB station chief. All right. I can see the expense being being uh uh >> Yeah, I

[10:58] >> I can see them going to the expense of following you. different rules for different fools, right? >> Yeah. If if you're just the the 65year-old wife of some Arab ambassador. No, nobody cares what you do. >> Well, that's conspiracy theorist. And I love conspiracy theorist, but they do [laughter] tend to think you sometimes overvalue. You know, it's like every I every conspiracy I conspiracy theorist I know is always like, "Dude, they're going to watch me." I'm like, "I'm on a list. They're getting ready for FEMA camps." [laughter]

[11:28] >> On the list. Yeah, >> I get that a lot too. >> Well, and I'm sure the CIA prays on that though, right? That kind of >> Absolutely. >> Yeah, it's >> because that makes it makes it easy to discredit people. >> Yeah, totally. >> If you if you just, you know, whisper, "Oh, he's a nut." >> Then that's half the battle right there. >> And there's also I forget what's called the type of prison or jail where you think they're always watching. There's a certain name for that. I forget. I can't remember right now. But >> yeah, we used to call it we we conflated it with the pmpkin village, right?

[11:58] Ponopticon prison, right? >> Ponopticon village, right? >> Ponopticon prison. >> Prison, excuse me. And we are, you know, their whole thing is like they're watching constantly. And if they get you to believe I I think that's also a play with this AI to make us believe it's so powerful that there's nothing we could do about it. >> You know, I'm I'm glad you brought that up, especially in the intro uh just day before yesterday. Well, I'm I'm on a bunch of list serves, right? former mostly former intelligence people. And so on one of the list serves,

[12:30] a guy posted a YouTube video of a close friend of mine um talking about the Russia Ukraine thing and taking exactly the opposite position of what I know his long-held position to be. So I was like, "What the heck?" So, I I click on the video and I'm watching it and it is obviously AI from the first 5 seconds because he sounds like he's either a zombie or a robot and I know him. He doesn't talk like that. He's more animated. He's not just sitting talking like this. And, you know, the lips don't

[13:01] move exactly, right? So, we're still in these early stages of these AI videos where you can still, if you pay close attention, you can you can see a mistake or an inconsistency. in six months or 12 months, it's going to be too late for that. And so, Congress has to act. There's got to be some kind of legislation passed that that mandates that an AI video be identified as AI. For example, we've all seen these videos of, you

[13:31] know, the the 30 minute chair workout or whatever. >> Yeah. And it looks like this really attractive woman in a podcast studio and she's talking to this guy who they say is 65 years old and he's totally ripped. Right. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. >> And then in the smallest letters at the bottom of the screen it says AI generated actor. >> Like first of all nobody nobody goes to do a podcast in a studio with no shirt on. That's number one. >> I would love to. >> Yeah. Right. I wish I was ripped. I'm 61

[14:03] and I'm not at all ripped. [laughter] Um, but it's easy to spot stuff like that. We're quickly getting to a point where it's not at all going to be easy to spot. Not at all. I mean, think of it this way. What if somebody What if somebody does a an AI generated video that's believable of Donald Trump declaring war on, you know, China or war on Russia or what? I mean, is there going to be a counterattack? >> That's what we're going to have to be worried about. >> I'm quickly getting there. Well, how invested is the CIA in in AI, would you

[14:34] suspect? >> Oh, the CIA I I would put my reputation uh on this. The CIA was one of the leaders in the birth of AI, the creation by AI. Remember, in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the CIA got congressional approval to create this thing called InQel, which is a venture capital arm, like a quasi governmental arm of the CIA, so that they could invest in private tech companies. Their very first investment,

[15:04] it was $15 million, which was a fortune in 2002. The very first investment was in Palunteer. And now Palunteer is a multi-billion dollar, you know, leader, >> dude. >> Yeah. And so, you know, we we see Open AI and I I don't know if you've ever heard of Will Herd. >> Will herd Willard I was Will Herd's mentor at the CIA. Awesome CIA officer. Just had a gift for recruiting people.

[15:34] Will quit after about six years and uh went into the private sector and then ran for Congress and got elected and he he he's half black, half white and he won three consecutive elections in a Supreme Court mandated majority Hispanic district. That's what a good politician he is. That and and he's smart and he's good-looking and he's just a a great guy. Um he's Mr. Tech. He was Mr. tech in Congress. He's the one even when the

[16:06] Democrats were in charge, he got bills passed into law on cyber security. But then he left Congress to run for president for a minute and now what does he do? He went to the board of open AI and now he's the chairman of the board of some other AI company. Uh, but is Will really just Will trying to make a living for his family or is Will doing this for the CIA or >> Dude, that's a great question. Is that the just embedding an operative there?

[16:38] >> Exactly. That's what I'm afraid of. >> So, I'm going to ask you a question. >> I'm sorry. Before you move on, is it possible that when he ran for Congress, he was also doing the same thing? Is that is that possible? >> It's possible, but I would say no. And the reason I would say no is because he went to work for a former boss of ours who legit left the CIA just to make millions after 30 years of government employment. And then when he said he was running for Congress, we both told him independently of one another, Congress, that's not a step up, you know,

[17:08] >> like it's a step down. You sure you want to do that? He's like, yeah, because I' someday I'd like to be governor of Texas and blah blah blah. and he ran and then just realized it was a [ __ ] show up there and decided now I'm going to go to OpenAI and make millions and millions of dollars. >> The real power. >> There comes that moment as you get older where it's like okay like I I got to make my money now. [laughter] >> Happen all the time. >> Even with this show, people get mad we have ads. I'm like I'm 53, dude. I got kids to take care of. I got to make >> Oh man, I'm I'm 61 and the and the feds

[17:41] took my pension away from me. >> Oh my god. >> Oh yeah. Like johnlovesgold.com is something that I [laughter] am very proud to to promote. >> Yeah, promote it buddy. We got a gold sponsor, but we want to help you out here. So, let me I'm sure you've been asked this >> and there's an old saying, once CIA always CIA. Is that I'm sure you've been asked that before. >> I hate that. I hate that I think more than anything else that [laughter] that I have to confront. Um, no, that's not

[18:12] true. >> Okay, >> that's not true. Um, to me that's an incredibly intellectually lazy position to take. There are so many CIA dissidents out there. I mean, can you imagine walking up to Ed Snowden and saying, "Well, once CIA, always CIA, [laughter] what the are you talking about?" right? >> Um or or Philip Agy who broke from the CIA and published several books and the CIA chased him around the world trying to assassinate him or Ray McGovern who

[18:43] was a presidential briefer for two presidents in a in a an almost 30-year CIA career and is now constantly getting arrested at at pre uh peace marches. So, no, listen. It was not a plan that I was going to go public about the CIA uh torture program and then allow the CIA to bankrupt me and then to go to prison for 2 years so that I could do like undercover CIA work inside the prison

[19:14] and then [laughter] have my wife have my wife divorce me and take my kids. That's all part I'm not trying to I knew it could be elicited emotional response. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. >> Oh, no, no, no. I answer I Yeah, I I detected no disrespect whatsoever. And I appreciate the question actually because I get it quite often and allows me to explain my position when people listen if if if the CIA wants to have pro-CIA

[19:45] people out there, they're already out there. Just just watch the Shawn Ryan show or listen to Andrew Bamante. [laughter] Hey, listen to Andrew Bamonte for five minutes. He's gonna try to recruit you. >> Oh, your discussion with him was just I I was so disappointed with that guy. >> Bad kid, I'll tell you. Oh my god. You know, and I'll tell you a couple of interesting things about Andrew. Um, Andrew and I have some um mutual friends, people I like very, very much and respect. But Andrew has a very sophisticated way of pulling the wool

[20:16] over people's eyes. There are two things that former CIA people ask each other when they meet for the first time. The first one is what directorate were you in? There are only four answers. The director of operations, the directorate of intelligence, the directorate of science and technology or the director of administration. And nobody wants to say they were in that director cuz that's the accountants and the logs people. Yeah. >> Secretary, >> right? So either DO or DI, ops or Intel. Intel being analysis. So, you ask that

[20:47] question first and then you ask the inevitable follow-up uh question. What division were you in? Now, you can have two dozen answers there, but it can be like near eastern ops, Russia ops, Africa, Latin America, counter intelligence, counterterrorism, whatever. The third question, if you get that far, is what was your job? So, a case officer is also called an operations officer or in the in the old

[21:18] school speak a cat B officer, category B officer. We were the ones who recruited spies to steal secrets. Andrew whispered to me when I met him that day. I was not a case officer. That's the first time I had ever heard that because he presents himself as a case officer. I said, what were you? And he said, I was a Sue, an S O. That stands for special operations officer. So what is a special operations officer? That is the operations officer's

[21:49] assistant. So I would come back from an operation and say uh Andrew like person uh can you do my accounting paperwork? I'm too busy. Or Sue, uh can you set up a surveillance team for me? I'm going to do an op tonight and it's high threat. This is not a guy who ever recruited a source ever in any country. Never. More than that, he just came out with a book with his wife in which, you know, he

[22:19] caught some mole. Number one, I call [ __ ] because there's an organization at the CIA called the Counter Intelligence Center, which has about 300 very highly skilled mole hunters. And what he wants us to believe is they found out that there was some kind of mole. None of the 300 professional mole hunters could do the job. So they called in Andrew and his wife and by God they got to the bottom of the case. And then I wonder why I

[22:51] never read about any mole in the Washington Post or the New York Times. But we're just supposed to take his word for it. Do you think um getting into Project Mockingbird that he's part of that program that he's sent out as a disruptor? [clears throat] And >> in in an unofficial way, I would say yes. And the reason I say unofficial is that Operation Mockingbird was deemed to be um uh illegal in 1975, but the CIA has gotten to the point where it doesn't

[23:21] need to make an official operation. And I'll tell you how I know that. Um, a a buddy of mine is an investigative journalist, quite an excellent investigative journalist uh for Bloomberg. His name is Jason Leupold. And a couple of Christmases ago, Jason was just bored. And so he filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the CIA. Now, Jason has filed more FOYA requests than any other person on the planet Earth to the point where George

[23:53] W. Bush's Pentagon spokesman called him a foyer terrorist. [laughter] Uhhuh. Seriously. In an open forum in a in a press conference called him a foyer terrorist. But Jason, because he's constantly fing filing foyer requests, he's the one that broke the Hillary Clinton email story just by asking through the Freedom of Information Act for every one of Hillary Clinton's emails and access to the servers that they were on. He's the one that got the story. So, he was bored a couple of Christmases ago. He files a foyer request for every communication

[24:27] over the previous year between the CIA and every journalist. >> Mhm. >> Period. And what happens is, you know, they'll make they'll make you wait 20 or 30 years before they respond, which of course is illegal. They have they have 60 days to respond. >> And so on day 61, he files a federal lawsuit, which he wins every single time. and then the CIA has to pay his legal fees and then they have 30 days to release the information. So what he found in that tunch several interesting

[24:59] things. Number one, Ken Delaneian who was the chief national security uh journalist for NBC News and MSNBC. Now M now it's called MS Now. >> Miss now. >> Yeah. Miss now. [laughter] Kendall Delanian was sending his articles to the CIA for clearance before he sent them to his own editor on >> that is so crazy and so anti-journalist. >> So he he should never work in journalism

[25:30] again just for that. Number two, there was some young hungry independent journalist who came up with something and he sent it to the CIA and said, "I'm going to publish this. do you care to comment? And they wrote back and they said, "So help us God. If you publish this, we will never work with you again. We will never give you any information again and you will never be invited to the Christmas party." [laughter]

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[35:22] sending um >> poor kids to go die for bankers. You know, I I I you know, just to be honest with you, I did mushrooms at a World Series game one time. I was on mushroom. I don't know why I thought that'd be a good idea, but I decided to do it. >> And me and my girlfriend went to go watch the World Series. And the thing that I noticed was how much military propaganda was in >> that game like from like just con, you know, bringing out the ex soldiers, everyone cheering them. And if you're >> flyovers Yeah. And you know, if you're a

[35:54] young kid who doesn't have a lot of what you believe is economic opportunity, which I don't believe in, but they believe that. They're constantly told that, man, the military is a great place to go. Especially now when you all you're hearing is AI's taking all the jobs, AI's doing this, HB1 visas, all this stuff. Man, where where am I where can I get a paycheck from? Well, join the military, man. It's uh you get all these benefits. You get to go to school. Well, you're also going to be thrown in the middle of hell for a war that really has no other meaning than to steal

[36:25] natural resources. >> You know, my um my mom and dad both grew up very poor. Poor to the point where my mom once missed a month of school because she had no shoes. That kind of poor. >> And um and my dad got drafted and he went to Korea to to the Korean War. And um years later, he never ever ever talked about it. Never. And then years later, we had a recruiter come to my high school. I was a senior. And um this is going to

[36:57] sound so stupid, but this is also very typical of me. The recruiter said, "If you come down to the office on Saturday just to talk, you don't have to sign anything. I'll give you a free pack of tube socks." [snorts] And I was like, "Hey, that's cool. It's like getting a free pizza, you know?" >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I I mentioned to my dad, I said, "Hey, I'm I'm going to go down to the uh army recruiter on Saturday." He said, "For what?" And I said, "Just to talk. They're giving away socks." >> Like a time share. >> Yeah. [laughter] Right.

[37:28] And he I I had never seen him like this before. He He got very serious. He got right up in my face and he said, "If you go down there, you and I are going to have a serious problem, boy." >> And so I didn't I didn't go. And then he was apopleleic when I joined the CIA. He's like, "What are you doing? Oh my god." But my my point is >> he grew up poor. He ended up getting drafted. He saw that it was all BS from the from the get-go. And uh countless

[38:01] first and second cousins in my family. I had four cousins that that served on the ground in Vietnam. Two were drafted and two joined the Marines. But nothing good comes of stuff like that. Yeah, >> because you're right, in the end it is for the bankers and it is the poor people who end up going to fight. >> Yeah. You end up finding out there's alternative motives to stuff. I mean the whole Gulf of Tonkan was a complete makeup, you know, and then you find out the the golden triangle of heroin uh in that region which they wanted to take

[38:32] over which is sounds exactly like Afghanistan for a very long time and they just keep playing the play the playbook over and over again because there was no internet in which people could share information. >> When you look at the internet, what is your thoughts on it? Did it get away from them or is it exactly what they wanted in terms of, you know, uh, divide and conquer and my friend Tino is it's like doing exactly what they It didn't get away from me. It's doing exactly what they wanted to do. >> Oh, I think this was exactly the plan. I

[39:04] remember the first time I had ever heard of email. I happened to be overseas in the Middle East. I was on a mission and um the station chief said, "Hey, there's an all hands uh meeting this afternoon at whenever. Uh we're going to have some kind of computer demonstration." So I I go to the office and there are these two tech guys from headquarters and they're showing us this thing called the internet. I'd never heard of this. And what was the most fascinating was their

[39:35] demonstration of email where there was a guy at headquarters and they sent a message and he responded and everybody was like ooing and aawing like oh my god we had never seen anything like this before. >> Yeah. >> So the station chief says wait a minute wait a minute are you telling me that one of my people can send one of these emails to somebody in headquarters and I don't know about it. And the guy said, "Yeah." And he said, "I don't like it. I don't like it one bit." I've played over that

[40:07] conversation in my mind a thousand times. And I've come to realize that even whether these implementers knew it or not, the idea was that there's always going to be somebody that knows about it. And you release this to the public eventually, which they did 3 or four or 5 years later. And everybody migrates everything they do in life to the internet. >> Yep. >> Where NSA can follow everything, CIA can follow everything. >> Uh there's no problem. Now, our whole

[40:38] lives are out there and are not even subject to a warrant anymore because of the advent of something called a national security letter, which is just a letter from the FBI to one of the internet providers saying, um, we invoke national security statutes. We want all the metadata on John Kiryaku. And they turn it over. Or even worse yet, why bother going before a judge to ask for a warrant when you can just call, you

[41:10] know, uh, Google and say, "I want to buy, uh, this metadata that you have for sale. I want to buy all of John Kuryaku's metadata." Yeah, sure. It's for sale. They sell it to anybody who asks for it. So, why would you need a warrant when it's just publicly available for purchase? >> Yeah. And they say, >> "We've gotten ourselves in a hole." Well, they say that, you know, if something's free, you're the product. >> Exactly. >> And Gmail is like, "Hey, here's a free email." That's right. Here you go. It's for free. You can you And now

[41:41] everybody's email is Gmail. >> Yeah. And it's like it's like this scam that has make been making the rounds on on Facebook since since there was a Facebook saying I saw on channel 6 news last night that starting tomorrow uh Facebook has access to all of your data and what you have to do is cut and paste this statement. Like >> did you not read the terms of uh the terms of agreement? You gave them

[42:13] everything when you started your Facebook account. >> Yeah. >> Everything. >> Yeah. >> They already own it. It's too late. >> So now, now we've been talking about this for a long time, but it seems to be a lot of these platforms have connections to intelligence like Facebook, Google, >> Twitter, you know, you know, we got I don't know >> I don't know what to play for. I mean, it's obviously data, but you know, like

[42:43] Elon Musk buying Twitter opens it up and for a brief second, it was like it was it was a wild west and then they're like, "Okay, this guy out of control. Let's let's lock this down." Like there's certain things I can't tweet right now about what hap is happening in Minnesota. Like there's a gif, gee, gif, whatever we call gifs. What do we call gifs? I call gifs. GIFs of uh you know I forget what the director is but he's like absolute cinema you know and I I

[43:13] tried to I've tried to >> to post that with that GIF and it will not let me but for some reason when I take the picture and post it of the gift and just put that up it lets me do it. It's very interesting. Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Scorsese. It's very very interesting what they're doing. But >> you know Elon are you or who or what? >> Well, I mean like the notion that Elon is kind of this >> No, you know, we're not doing the Scorsesei Jeff on on anything to do with Minnesota. Okay, guys. [laughter]

[43:44] >> No, but Johnny, it's literally happening. >> No, no. I But the the idea that Elon is actually like, >> I don't think Elon is is reading every tweet going yes, no, yes, no. >> I I I often question how much he has to do with any of that [ __ ] really. I'm sure he does have to do I'm sure like well the whole thing is to put people in position that you want to run it >> he's the figurehead >> and you let them do their thing and it's it's but it's interesting dude but the question the question I want to ask is are these just extensions of the

[44:14] government is Facebook which was lifell lock and then they they don't even wait a day to to uh uh register Facebook as a as a business and an idea the exact day they which February 4th, 2004, they end lock at the Pentagon the exact same day they start Facebook. So the question becomes like how much of this is actually real? We're getting into AI. You're not going to know it's real. Is the story of Facebook a real story or is it they just found the kid through data?

[44:46] You know, whether it's the Gates program or whatever, they they they they go, "Okay, this guy this kid is a little he's a psychopath. He'll do anything. He doesn't care. Let's position him in the position because he's manageable. Like they do that with Google. We see seed money from the CIA. Uh uh you know, kind of a I don't know if you call it a cutout, but like a CIA shell company helps give money to to Google to to kick them off Facebook. And we keep going

[45:18] down all these different platforms. >> Yeah, I think all of that is true. I think that's all been part of the CIA's uh plan, especially post 911. You know, Matt Taibbe and a couple of others did some really important work in in those days just after Elon Musk uh bought Twitter and Matt found that there were active duty CIA and FBI officers working at uh Twitter. And later on we learned

[45:50] that there were active duty CIA and FBI, maybe even NSA at Facebook and at Google and these other places. I worked for a guy I worked for a guy uh from 2000 to 2001 who had been the chief of a very large station and came back to headquarters. I worked for him for like 6 months and then he uh he resigned. And I said I said you're resigning you got 10 years to go to get your 30. and he said, "Microsoft made me an offer I

[46:21] couldn't possibly refuse." And he up and moved to Washington State and spent the rest of his career at Microsoft. And what did he know about technology? Nothing. [laughter] >> What is it? Is it access to the intelligence agencies or >> I always believed it was. Yeah. >> Or the CIA saying, "Hire this guy. We got We'll have a guy in there." >> Yeah. Probably yes to both. >> Yeah. It's kind of crazy. So, you know, we're living in this kind of time where, you know, we believe certain countries

[46:52] might have a little bit of too much uh control of our government. Uh, you know, the belief that certain countries have gotten us into wars for their own benefit. You know, I I've been saying this for a while. I'd love to hear your opinion on it, but you know, the notion that the CIA, MSAD, and MI6, are they technically separate or are they just really all working together in a way that they they just have different names for different areas? >> Oh, no, no, this is very um

[47:24] precise. So there's an organization called the Five Eyes made up of the the intelligence services of the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. They give each other literally unfettered access, literally. Where now you see a CIA guy walking down the hall, you're just as likely to see an MI6 guy or an Australian guy or a Canadian guy or whatever. Mossad is different. the the relationship is close, but the

[47:56] Mossad spies on the CIA. The CIA does not spy on Mossad. We have not been allowed to spy on Israel since the Nixon administration. But but Israel actively spies against the United States, against the CIA, the FBI, NSA, DoD very heavily, and especially DoD contractors. Now, that relationship is mostly a one-way street where we give the Israelis just about everything that we collect and then the Israelis give us very very

[48:29] little in return. Like they'll give us a lot of Iran stuff, but that's just to convince us to help them bomb Iran. >> Yeah. >> Um and that's it. I I've said more than once in public venues that one of the things the Israelis have never answered is what did they know about the planning for 9/11 and why did they not share it with us like they won't even they won't even have that conversation they won't answer the question they won't even recognize the question and on the other

[49:00] side with the five eyes I mean we were joined at the hip starting with 9/11 >> you have a story That's illustrative of of the Israel thing, right? About how the facilities are uh you have a a special facility just for meetings. Is that right? Uh with >> Yeah. When I when I first got hired at the CIA in January of 1990, um it was about I was about 6 weeks into it in March of 1990 when my boss told me I was going to do my first foreign liaison briefing. And that's kind of a big deal,

[49:30] right? I was an overt employee, so I I was going by my by my true name. And uh I was told that I was going to brief the Israeli Mossad and Shinbet representatives here in Washington. So much to my surprise, we didn't we we didn't go to a conference room. We had to like get in our cars and drive to this safe house offsite. And my boss said, "Yeah, we we never ever talk to the Israelis in the building. In fact, the Israelis are not permitted to come in the building." I

[50:01] was like, "What?" I mean, I I briefed everybody from the prime minister of Fiji to the, you know, the leader of the Kurdish Democratic Party uh in headquarters, but the Israelis are not permitted in the in the building. And I said, "Why?" And he said, "Well, every time they would come, they would bring gifts, and of course, we have to x-ray everything that comes into the building." And every single gift was like packed with listening devices and batteries. [laughter] And then we have

[50:31] to tell these guys, "Guys, stop doing this. Stop trying to bug our conference rooms." And they'd be like, "Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, it was just a joke. It was a joke. Don't worry." And then we're like, "No, you can't come in here anymore." [laughter] >> And that was 35 years ago. >> Why do you think it's what What was your from the inside, what was your impression of of why they continue to to deal with them in that one side? Why are they given why are they allowed that kind of power?

[51:02] >> Right. >> Yeah, that's the question. That's the question to which I do not have an answer. But they get away with it bec and and and we continue this incredibly close relationship with them because of political pressure. You know, we we have to answer to politicians and the politicians say that, you know, the Israelis are on the A-list and we do whatever they want. Guys, just when you thought life couldn't get any better, I got something for you. It's called Bluetooth Gold. That's right, power

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[58:18] ID, you know, IDF trains, the ICE uh ICE, the the protesters are all paid. They're all professionals. And then the the the um the people who cause chaos, the disruptors, uh they're all intelligence agents. You see the guy we talked about before, the guy who was burning the American flag in a mask and then just walked off and they followed him and he wouldn't take off his mask. You're like, if you look at January 6 too, same thing. >> What is it called? Agent provocative. >> Yeah, they're provocators. >> A provocator. Yeah.

[58:50] >> Yeah. It's interesting. And you just go, what is again, what is real? What is what in our world is a God's reality? And I just think it all extends from the fact that we print all this money and we just use it to bribe everybody to play their role in this giant Broadway production called, you know, culture. >> Yeah, I think that's right. >> It's so crazy to me. Like none of it's real, dude. None of it's real. So we get

[59:21] into like I don't know if you've commented on Epstein at all a lot. >> Yeah. Like I it almost becomes this Stan effect. The more they don't put it out, the more people want to look into it. I think people want to look into I feel like we have the attention span of two weeks and then we move on to the next big thing. That's why if you ever have a scandal, just get off the internet for two weeks. Someone else will come in and and be an idiot and they'll all start talking about him. >> Which is why Dan Bino is taking such uh

[59:52] such guff these days. you know, he he was going to go drain the swamp and heads were going to roll and he was going to crack heads and and then he just goes back to his podcast with his tail between his legs being unusually defensive as to why he didn't accomplish anything. >> Well, I mean, like, do you think it's actually possible to make any changes in these these intelligence agencies? Like, if you're like, I'm going to go in and like they position you, it's almost like a coach who goes into like the New York Jets. It's like you can try to do

[1:00:24] everything you want, but that's a culture of losing right there. Ran by crazy people. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like you got these two guys coming in, you know, it's like I'm going to turn the FBI headquarters into a museum. And then in two seconds, he's like there's no there's no there's no list, there's no anything. It's like what did you take out of his house? What were those boxes you were carrying? You know, like what are you talking about? like one's and the question becomes also like a demoralization campaign as well.

[1:00:55] It's like >> yes, >> you know, you have you have Pam Bondi filmed by Project Veritas perfectly shot saying there's images everywhere and she's just having lunch talking with somebody about this. Shot perfectly. Oh my god. Pam Bondi says there's 10,000 videos of them hurting kids. Perfectly shot. And then she comes out and says there's nothing there. That's a giant demoralization campaign. And I look at everything through a demoralization campaign. You know what? How are they

[1:01:26] trying to demoralize us? A lot of this is with these judges letting out criminals. The big thing is now it's not even that, okay, you're letting these criminals out. Now, if this guy enters my house and I defend myself, I'm the one getting arrested. Yes. That's all part of a demoralization campaign to beg for martial law. And you see it happening over and over and over again, which is very bolevik, which is all part of this bolevik revolution. It's it's crazy to me a as you watch like things like the the governor's uh mi Minnesota

[1:01:58] governor kidnapping case where it's like >> or Michigan >> Michigan, excuse me, dude. 15 uhhu uh people were going to kidnap her. 13 of them were basically on the FBI payroll. And then we go into January 6 where there's over 300 agents there. Uh what >> how about how about have you ever heard of the Route 82 bridge conspiracy? >> No. >> In Cleveland. Oh my god. >> So there were these three idiots and they're in a bar and they're drinking

[1:02:28] and this guy that they know comes in and he sits with them and he starts drinking and he says, "Hey, you know what would be really cool? we should blow up the Route 82 bridge. Route 82 before there was an international I'm sorry, an interstate highway system. Route 82 was a main road from Philadelphia to Cleveland. And there's a a major, you know, concrete expansion bridge uh that's that takes you into the city of Cleveland. So,

[1:03:00] they get this uh the guy says, "I've got dynamite. I've got a detonator. I've got all this stuff." Well, of course, he's an FBI uh informant and um and uh they uh they place these phony explosives, they push the plunger, the FBI comes out of the bushes and grabs the three of them. So, first of all, they were entrapped. They were just sitting there drinking, minding their own business. They didn't have any plans to blow up the Route 82 bridge. They the they were targeted by

[1:03:32] the FBI. This guy was just trying to, you know, win some points for himself to to save himself from some other case by ratting out these three these three idiots. But they got 20, 25, and 30 years in prison for conspiracy to commit terrorism and conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction. That's what the FBI does to people. And I'll give you another example. I'll give you two examples, personal ones. Um when I was uh

[1:04:05] after I left the CIA, I went to uh the private sector for a few years, four years. Then I went to the I went to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as the senior investigator. And one of the the things I loved about that job was you get to have lunch with foreign diplomats all the time. So it was like being overseas in the agency again and you talk about all the issues of the day. It's a lot of fun. So, I got a call from the Japanese embassy one day and um this guy introduces himself as the number three. His English was absolutely

[1:04:37] terrible. So, he spoke to me in Arabic. He was the embassy's Arab expert and he knows my past, you know, was in the Middle East and that I spoke Arabic. And so, would you like to meet for lunch? I said, "Sure." So, we meet at um Charlie, whatever it's called, steakhouse up on Capitol Hill. they just went out of business. And uh and I remember that lunch very well. We we talked about the Middle East peace process. We talked about Turkish elections and Israeli

[1:05:07] elections. And at the end of it, I said, "Well, this was a this was a lovely lunch. Thank you so much for the invitation." And he says, "No, wait a minute. Wait a minute." Um he says, "So what's next for you?" And I said, "Well, I promised Senator Kerry," John Kerry was the chairman at the time. I said, 'I promised Senator Kerry I'd give him two years. It's been two and a half. I have five kids and I need to make some money to send my kids to college. So, I think I'm going to go back into the private sector again. And he goes, "No." He goes, "Don't do that. If you give me

[1:05:39] information, I can give you money." And I said, "Shame on you." Cold pitching me like that. >> That was the worst pitch ever. [laughter] >> Yeah. I said, "How many times do you think I've made that pitch? Shame on you. I'm reporting this. And I got up and I went directly without stopping to the office of the Senate security officer. And um I said I was just pitched by a foreign intelligence officer. So he had me sit at this um this uh standalone

[1:06:11] computer um not connected to the internet. I wrote a memo and he handd delivered it to the FBI. Then he called me the next day and said, "Um, uh, the FBI is going to send two, uh, FBI agents up to interview you." I said, 'Great.' So the next day, I meet them in the Senate Security Office, and I told them the whole story, and they said, "Okay, here's what we want you to do. We want you to call him back, invite him to lunch, and try to get him [laughter] to tell you what information he wants and

[1:06:43] how much money he's willing to pay for it." And because I'm a patriot, I said, "You want me to wear a wire or something?" And they said, "No, no, we're going to be at the next table. We're going to listen to everything." I said, "Well, he doesn't speak English." Well, we're going to have an Arabic speaker there. I said, "Okay." The next day, I called him. He agreed to lunch. We set a date. And then the morning of the lunch, the FBI guy calls me and says, "Something came up. Just go ahead and do the lunch, but send us another memo." So I I did the lunch and then I

[1:07:16] did a third lunch and a fourth lunch and a fifth lunch each time at the urging of the FBI and then I would write these extraordinarily detailed memos and send them to FBI headquarters. So in the last lunch the guy says to me, um, listen, I got promoted. I got my dream job. I'm going to be the number two in the Japanese embassy in Cairo. And I shook his hand. and I said, "Good luck." I never saw him again. A year later, I'm under arrest. And we

[1:07:49] get discovery from the Justice Department. 15,000 pages of classified discovery. And in this discovery, we find two things of import. Number one was a memo from John Brennan to Eric Holder, the attorney general, saying, "Charge him with espionage." And Holder writes back and says, "My people don't think he committed espionage." And then Brennan writes back and says, "Charge him anyway and and make him defend himself."

[1:08:19] >> Oh my god. >> So they arrested me and they charged me with three counts of espionage plus two other felonies. Now this is a death penalty offense. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. >> And then the other thing we found was that there there never was any Japanese diplomat. He was an FBI agent trying to get me to commit actual espionage. [screaming] >> But I kept reporting the contact back to the FBI.

[1:08:50] And so the >> Arabic speaking Japanese diplomat >> writes a letter to his boss um what was his name that got arrested uh during Trump one and thrown out? Um Stephen. No, no, that wasn't it. Anyway, whatever his name is. Famous the guy that had an affair and he said, "We got to stop Trump. We got to remember that." >> No, I I don't. But that what was his role in the government? >> He was the head of the counter intelligence division in the FBI.

[1:09:22] >> I'll look it up. >> No. >> Okay. >> Uh that's crazy, dude. >> So, the FBI, the the Japanese diplomat wrote to him and said, "I think we should end this operation. He's clearly not going to take the bait. So that that's when he said, "Oh, I got promoted. I'm going to Cairo >> cuz I wasn't." >> Peter Stroke, right? >> Peter Stro. Peter Stro. >> Yes. Peter Stro. There we go. >> Peter Stro. So, um, so they gave up. Now, the day before I left for prison,

[1:09:53] my lead attorney pulls me aside and he said, "Listen, my sources are telling me that DOJ is very upset that you got such a short sentence. So, heads up, they're probably going to try to set you up in prison." >> Oh my god. >> I said, "Okay, I'll I'll be on my on my uh you know." >> So, you were found guilty. That's what you're telling me? You were found guilty of espionage or >> I took No, no, they they dropped all the espionage charges. I took a plea to a

[1:10:24] lesser charge just to make the thing go away. I had five kids at home. >> That is crazy. >> So, should should I take 23 months or should I risk 12 to 18 years, which is what they were they were offering. >> So, I took the 23 months and thought, well, I'll just apply for a pardon, you know, someday, which I have done, and the president is considering it. So, in any event, I'm in prison about, let me think, about 3 months, 3 and 1/2 months, and down the hall from me at at the end of

[1:10:56] the hall, there was an Afghan-American guy. He was a pharmacist with a bad oxy habit, and he was doing six years. So, he comes up to me and he says, "Hey, buddy. Um, there's a a a new prisoner who wants to meet you." And I said, "Oh, okay. Who's that?" He goes, "He's the spokesman for the Taliban." And I said, 'Are you talking about that guy from New Jersey that that got arrested for like conspiracy to commit terrorism or something? He said, 'Yeah, he just arrived here. I said, I I don't want to have anything to do with that

[1:11:27] guy. I don't have anything to say to the Taliban, past or present. And he says, Oh, okay. I I'll tell him. About 4 days later, I'm in the yard just exercising and I see this guy with a beard down to his waist and he's walking toward me with his arm straight out like to shake my hand. So, I put up my hands like this and I said, "Don't touch me." And as soon as I said it, I looked past him and in the woods on the opposite side of

[1:11:57] the fence is one of the guards with a camera with a long telephoto lens. My god. >> Yeah. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And I said, "Don't touch me." And I kept my hands in the air. And he goes, "Come on, man. I want to be friends. We have a lot in common." And I said, "The only thing we have in common is that I used to try to kill people like you. Get the away from me." >> Holy [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah. And he goes, "Come on, man." I said, "I'm serious. Get away from me or I'm going to break your face." And so he walked away and I put my hands

[1:12:28] down and then I walked in the opposite direction and he was transferred out the next day. He had been in my prison for 5 days. >> Unreal. >> He was sent there just to entrap me, not for any other reason. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Just a handshake. Just a handshake. Yeah. They have to make an example of you, right? That's why. >> Yeah. And see, if I had shaken his hand, they had pictures. They would have had pictures of me shaking his hand and then he would have testified. >> Yeah. >> That that I was so angry I had been

[1:13:00] prosecuted that he and I were conspiring and I asked him to, you know, kill my prosecutor, kill my judge, kill the FBI, whatever. >> Holy [ __ ] dude. >> That is crazy. >> Do they have any scruples in that situation about just wholly lying? Like having him lie? >> Absolutely not. >> Not at all. Right. >> Absolutely not. Remember, at least at the CIA, we were trained liars. We're trained to lie every day. >> Why should the FBI be any different? >> Sure. >> Oh my god, dude.

[1:13:33] >> It was bad. >> What did they nail you with if if there's all these things that you wouldn't do it? >> I can tell you exactly what they got me on. In the summer of 2008, a journalist wrote me an email and he said, "I'm doing a book on this CIA rendition of this Egyptian guy in Milan. Can you introduce me to any of these 12 people?" And he listed these 12 names. I wrote back and I said, "I don't have any idea who these people are." And then he sent me a second email and he said, "Can you introduce me to any of these 12

[1:14:04] people?" And I said, "Buddy, you clearly know this issue so much better than I do. Kidnapping was not my thing at the agency. I didn't work with the kidnappers. I did my own thing." And then he said in a third email, "What about the guy that you describe on page like 138 of your book? I think his name is John." And I said, "Oh, you're talking about John Doe. I don't know what ever happened to him.

[1:14:34] He's probably retired and living in Virginia someplace. But I mentioned his last name. >> Oh, dope. >> And so they got me. Well, I'm telling you it's >> they got me for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah, that was it. [clears throat] And the name was never made public. >> Right. They and they take that >> never made public. >> They take that very seriously, right?

[1:15:05] >> Yeah. They did with me. >> That's so Oh god. When When you see John Brennan on CNN >> Yeah. >> What does that do to you? >> You have some You have some stories about his competence as well. >> Yeah. I I have maintained for many years and publicly that that Brennan was in well over his head intellectually. He was not a shining star at the agency. He latched on to George Tennant and George Tennant created him. There was nothing

[1:15:38] special about John Brennan. Nothing. >> He just played ball and he was compromised probably. >> He was really really good at office politics. And when when Tenant started making his rise in the organization, Brennan latched on to him and he created John Brennan. But does it drive you crazy that these people that seem to have been doing what would be considered any other time in history treason are on like I always say that like if if Benedict Arnold was

[1:16:08] around today he wouldn't be seen as a treasonous operative. He would be a talking head on MSNBC. [laughter] >> He probably would or BBC in that case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he probably would. Yes. You know, it's there's so many things we we don't have enough time to to go over the crimes that that a string of directors of central intelligence have committed. You know, I was prosecuted for revealing this name.

[1:16:38] Well, while I was being prosecuted, um CIA director, uh oh, what's the matter with me? He was the CIA director under Obama. General uh >> Well, Johnny, will you look that up? Will someone do >> What's the matter with me? >> Johnny's looking it up right now. >> I got to say, this doesn't help your credibility. John, were you >> I've blacked them out. [laughter] Um >> uh >> General General Petraeus. So, so while I

[1:17:09] was on trial, General Petraeus revealed the identities of 10 covert operatives to his adulterous girlfriend. He was charged with a misdemeanor. He was given a fine and at sentencing, the judge came down from the bench to shake his hand and thank him for his service to the country. >> Unreal. Also, while I was in prison, I wrote an op-ed that ran I wrote in longhand an op-ed that ran in the Los

[1:17:41] Angeles Times saying, "I got two and a half years in prison. Why does Leon Petta get a break?" So, Leon Petta revealed the names of all of the members of the SEAL team that killed Osama bin Laden. That's six violations of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Um, and then he revealed 27 lines of classified information to Katherine Bigalow and Mark B, the director and writer of Zero Dark 30, both of whom

[1:18:12] were uncleared. And then he just said, "Oh, my bad. >> Sorry." And that was it. There were never any charges filed against Director Petta. >> Rules for thee and not for me. Sounds >> That's right. That's the way it So as we talk about all these crimes that that so blatantly get violated by our intelligence agencies, the question becomes what is their actual purpose, >> right? >> What are they doing? Like

[1:18:42] >> are they are they really a law enforcement or and you say there's a lot of people you you you said around 95% are are patriotic people. And I get in an argument with a good friend of mine named Brian Ken. He's very pro- CIA. Um, and I'll take your word that's 95% that. But what do what do you think the purpose is of these intelligence agencies and why they seem to be so ingrained in manipulating our culture, manipulating our laws, manipulating our

[1:19:15] intelligence uh oper operations? Like what what do you think the purpose is? >> I've got I've got an answer for you. When I when I was when I was working on the seventh floor, the executive floor of the CIA, I was the executive assistant to the deputy director for operations, very important position. And in that position, you have access to literally everything that the CIA is doing around the world. He had this mantra that he would repeat almost every single day that the job of the CIA is to recruit spies to steal

[1:19:47] secrets and to analyze those secrets so that the policymaker can make the best informed policy. Period. That's it. But like any bureaucracy, especially in national security, it's constantly clawing for more authorities, right? And once it's given an authority, it never ever gives it back. If you have 5,000

[1:20:18] employees, you need 10,000. If you have 10, you need 20. If you have 20, you need 40. And you'll never ever downsize, ever. 911 was the greatest gift that anybody could have given to the intelligence community. And not just the intelligence community, but to intelligence community contractors. Everybody got rich. Everybody. And so the CIA now is so deeply ingrained. It's been around for so many

[1:20:48] decades. just when you thought you could control them with the creation first of the of the Church and Pike Committees, which then became the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Then, you know, Reagan becomes president and um and orders Iran Contra and everything just turns to [ __ ] again. And then 9/11, which gives them unfettered authorities to just go around the world and kill anybody who looks at them cockeyed. They're never going to give

[1:21:19] that stuff up. Not unless there's some catastrophe that's their fault or they kill, you know, some world leader and get caught or kill a president and get caught. Otherwise, that's it. They're here to stay. The best we can do at this point is to is to ensure that they operate within the confines of the law. And even that is almost impossible, especially when justice departments are loathed to charge CIA officers at at a high level

[1:21:52] or CIA directors with a crime even when felonies have obviously been committed. >> Is that 95% number does that apply to the top to higher up you go or would you say that? Yeah, I was wondering about that. Well, >> no, I I mean at I mean at the bottom of the pyramid. >> Yeah, once you go up it's I would assume that much Yeah. much worse. Yeah. Can I >> Yeah. And then you get like John Deutsch. John Deutsch was director under Bill Clinton. John Deutsch stole a classified laptop with thousands of classified documents on it. Um so that

[1:22:24] he could jog his memory while writing his uh his memoir, >> you know. And then he ended up coming to some sweetheart deal. He paid a he paid a fine and he voluntarily gave up his security clearance. General Petraeus 18 months of unsupervised probation and you pay a fine. No problem. Uh Leon Petta, no worries. You can out anybody you want. Nobody's going to prosecute you. Uh Mike uh Morurell gives a classified briefing over a classified mockup of the

[1:22:54] Bin Laden compound to to Mark Bull and Katherine Bigalow and and then accepts tickets to the premiere and the people who couldn't make the premiere got watches from Katherine Bigalow. And that's okay. That's not going to be prosecuted. No worries. Now we talk about the deep state and we hear that phrase. How much does the CIA change in mission and focus with administr presidential administrations? None at all. Not at all. Okay. >> No, it operates I I mean presidents

[1:23:27] think they're in charge of the CIA and Donald Trump has fired a dozen or two uh people, but no, there really is a deep state. I say this all the time. You don't have to call it the deep state. doesn't have to be some, you know, nebulous dark whatever force. It's it's the federal bureaucracy. This is the system that we've given ourselves where they know that presidents come and go every four years, every eight years, it's going to be somebody different. And if the president orders you to do something that you don't want to do, you just ignore him. [laughter] That's it.

[1:23:59] That's what it comes down to. You just ignore him. He'll be gone eventually and you'll be there for 30 or 35 years. >> Wow. Mhm. >> Fascinating. Fascinating. >> It is fascinating. Um, and you basically there's no real way to corrupt it unless it's a giant upheaval of what we're going to do. And >> you know these things that you see in Minnesota right now. It seems to be this movement. I think it started again. It's been going on forever, but really started to kick in with the Michigan governor kidnapping January 6. this

[1:24:31] movement to name uh be able to label American citizens as domestic terrorists. And once you do that, you you see that your constitutional rights are gone. You're blackedged. You're thrown in a cell. You can't talk to your lawyer. >> Yes. >> And you're it's just it it's it's crazy to me how people don't see big picture and martial law is what they want. >> I mean, that was even eroded under Obama, right? What was the American citizen that they droned uh the Alaki.

[1:25:01] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. That was >> and and his son a week later >> which is I mean that was that at the time I I mean now that seems like of course they did that but at the time that was that was a a big step you know for >> Yeah. I mean again Obama and the media which is very weird cuz nobody watches the mainstream media yet their narrative is everywhere. It's very weird to me. You know they want you to demonize podcasters cuz they don't think they control them. Even though we we've brought up several people we think are controlled,

[1:25:32] >> you know, uh and put out narratives, you know, like, you know, we've been discussing that, you know, there's foreign agencies that want to label Islamic extremists as the bad guys. And I'm not saying that there. I mean, I have a tattoo of the Armenian genocide. I know what Muslims can do. I'm not going to sit there and say that they're benevolent in any way. a lot this movement to demonize this group of people with running through like uh Dearbornne in Michigan and what's

[1:26:04] happening in in Minnesota is this movement to create again martial law which means our rights are gone >> indeed >> couldn't agree more >> and nobody seems to worry about if you're fighting over race or gender or any ideology there you're you're you're so you're so lost you've already lost the the battle. >> Totally. >> And this re I mean when you look like and it's so funny how they run elections too. Like I have no faith in elections

[1:26:34] anymore. People always like, "Well, you you voted for Trump." I didn't vote for Trump. The last time I voted for either of the these parties was Obama's first term after 9/11 cuz he promised to end these wars and we didn't realize he was a Bush. his his his grandfather who MK altered his mother uh was his is cousins with George Bush Senior. They they they built a CIA together and but we were sold on that. And like it's and it's just people just that every time we need

[1:27:05] a hero, they'll supply it and they supply charismatic people who say what we want to hear and they're allowed to get away with a lot more than someone we hated. Like whether it's uh Biden or George Bush Jr., We hate these guys and we watch them every every move and if they do something wrong, we call it out. But the guy we all like, man, we just accept anything they do because that would be admit admitting that we were wrong and we want our team to win. >> It's like so many of my friends were so

[1:27:36] anti- cop because of January 6th, right? Ah, the cops, they set us up and it was an FBI uh operation and they had all these informants and and the cops planted the the bomb and blah blah blah. And then they're the same people who are supporting the FBI and ICE in Minnesota. >> Yeah. >> It's like what? Do you even listen to yourself? >> Yeah. It's crazy the mental gymnastics people have to do. >> Yeah. I mean, it would go it would stand

[1:28:07] a reason that those are the same people that set you up that are on the ground in Minnesota. Yeah, the exact people. Yeah. Why wouldn't it be? >> Yeah, of course it about any of this. >> I got to tell you something funny. I [ __ ] on the FBI at every opportunity, [laughter] right? >> And last week, I got an invitation to be the keynote speaker at an FBI at the FBI's annual off-site conference. >> That's so curious. >> Can you imagine? >> Why do you think that is? You know, I really like Cash Patel. I

[1:28:37] don't have any idea what Cash Patel's politics are, but I like him because he's a bombthrower. And if anybody's going to be able to like really work to reign in the FBI, I thought it would be Cash Patel. I now I'm not so sure, but I thought it was Cash. [laughter] >> You get in, they start showing you videos of people you love and angles like it's the old Bill Hicks joke. the angles of the Asan Kennedy assassination that no one's ever seen before. >> That's right. >> Any question? >> That's right.

[1:29:07] >> Yeah. >> I don't know how to uh I don't know how to control it. I don't know what it is. I I I I kind of detach from it and just prepare myself for chaos and, you know, loading up on everything I can to try to take care of my kids. And that seems to be the play. But to get lost in this stuff, you know, like the girl gets shot, okay? you know, and and just the way it's everywhere all at once. Yeah. I've always said if it makes it to Sports Center, you know, it's an intelligence operation.

[1:29:38] >> If something political makes it the sports center, they're pushing a narrative. John, it was a great conversation. I know you got a heart out, so we'll end it there. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> One more time. >> Pleasure is mine. >> One more time. Uh Johnny, did you have anything you wanted to ask or did we get to? >> Oh, no. No. Yeah. Let's Yeah. >> Okay. Uh one more time. Tell them where they can find you. >> Uh thank you. So it's Drogram on YouTube and Rumble. It is Deep Focus on YouTube and on Apple Podcasts it's John Kuryaku's Dead Drop. >> Well, we appreciate you coming on. Uh if

[1:30:08] you ever have a book or anything else you want to come back on, Open Door to you and we appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you so much. Let's break anytime, all the time. Let's break down the episode. All right. What' you guys think of John? >> Dude, I never thought we'd have him on. >> I'm glad we made it happen. We were professional. We have Yeah. Yeah. We didn't ask no dumb questions. I gota do I got >> I wanted to. >> What was it? >> You wanted to ask some dumb questions. >> Well, I I wanted to get into uh you know like I guess I asked all the questions I wanted to ask. I I was trying to think if there were like stuff that would be a

[1:30:39] little bit more contentious, but I feel like he was pretty open-minded. >> He's pretty open. Yeah. Like most of the things where I thought he would give some push back. He was like, "No, they're doing that." Like like the podcast like Sean Ryan and all like naming. [laughter] >> But you know, he's really right. And it's you can also look at Alex Jones like you could go Alex Jones's court case was a a farce but it was he does owe that money. >> Yeah. >> And you know and he's always like they're taking they're taking info wars and then he's still there.

[1:31:09] >> Yeah. It's so confusing like how >> but I I I do think that >> does that mean you work for somebody else now? I >> Well, I think there's somebody's like we we'll we'll fix all your problems. I mean, if they're going to give Barry Weiss 200 mil for a show that gets nothing, what are they going to do for Alex Jones that gets a bazillion views? >> And you know, I I was >> But he hates Candace Owens. Like, he hates her. And it's just interesting. >> You think he hates her or they're telling him to hate her? >> Yeah, it could be Kay Fabe. Yeah.

[1:31:40] >> Yeah. You I don't really think he hates I mean, come on. He's a conspiracy theorist. >> I mean, yeah, good point. That's a That's the theater of it. But >> but I also like that when you brought up demoralization campaigns, he was like right there with that. I was I was thought maybe he wouldn't be hip to that, but he's like totally like, "Oh, yeah, that's that's what's happening." >> Yeah. Johnny, were you excited cuz I know you wanted to make that happen. Are you excited I didn't that up? >> Well, I mean, what what do you mean? You're a professional podcast. Like >> I am a professional podcast. Some people should realize that

[1:32:10] >> that I'm really good at that. >> I feel like we're professional. >> Yeah. I mean, it I mean, I'm trying to think where we could have challenged him more. I I don't >> I don't I I I I I'm sorry I brought that up earlier cuz that's not really what I meant. No, >> I was like, should I ask harder questions? But I I think I asked all the real questions I wanted to ask. >> I mean, there's a certain person that's going to be listening to this that's going to that's XG, not me. Uh that's going to be thinking like you can never like what you said, you can never trust somebody that's ever worked for the CIA. And

[1:32:40] >> that prison story is the craziest [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life. >> Yeah. And if you listen to him, he's got so many crazy stories like that where they have effed with him and and just like like >> would you guys still live in America if America if the government put you through that? I don't know if I I would want to go live in France or somewhere where I'm >> Yeah. I don't understand why he's I'm like >> buying land in Costa Rica they say is the new Bitcoin cuz it's about to blow up. The thing though is >> or El Salvador too cuz El Salvador has

[1:33:10] become the safest place in the world. >> No criminals, no >> [ __ ] with you just as easily there as they do here. >> CIA, man. If they want you. >> Yeah, they can. >> It's probably easier there cuz you have, you know, fewer riots. >> But it's like the question is like who is the CIA's master? The qu, you know, and I I I think it's these bankers. >> That Israel thing is proof of that. >> Yeah. I think they're the bankers. And I think it's the Bank of England. And it's so good to see people start talking about that cuz I would I would say that

[1:33:42] and then you would hear them, you know, I get yelled at because I'm not behind the It's I'm not saying the Dana Dana thinks I'm a Nazi. >> It's so crazy. I get called a fascist and a Nazi. I say Hitler was controlled opposition and I I want as little government as possible. How am I a Nazi fascist? >> Yeah. >> It's like crazy, right? No, it is crazy. Yeah, it's I've been the Nazi thing is just tremendous to history. I It's flessly fascinating. I' I've been

[1:34:12] listening to this history series on YouTube about their rise to power and it's Yeah, they were just so much money behind them, bringing them in, and then >> Yeah. >> And then people kind of when they started doing some of the [ __ ] that they said they were going to do, you know, then people were some of them were like, "Wait, wait, what now?" But even if even if you go you go, "Okay, he got rid of this and he changed that and their economy was doing great." I go, "Well, if I >> Their economy was not doing great, though. It was all propped up by and he

[1:34:43] if he didn't expand Germany, it would have failed. It was all like a it was kind of like a house of cards. >> But even if the it's the illusion that's doing great when when Trump's like the greatest economy of all time, you know, it's like I don't know. There's people seems to be struggling, you know. But if you want to get a a a a country of people to rally around somebody, you allow him to thrive so that everyone gets because if your whole job is to implode this country, you need as many of them to go to war

[1:35:14] and be taken out as possible. Well, dude, he sat down, Hitler sat down with the newspapers because they, the Nazis better than anybody, understood propaganda and the value of controlling the news and what people consumed. There was, this is a thing that doesn't get taught about as as much as it should, that they made sure that everybody had a radio for the first time, like they there was like government programs to get radios into people's houses, these little portable radios for the first time. and he sat down with the newspapers, Hitler did, and said like, "Listen, I hear you guys talking about

[1:35:44] peace all the time. Like, peace is a virtue. That's not peace is not a virtue for our country. We want and and this is documented by several of the newspaper editors that were in these conversations. We want war to be a virtue. We want people to be ready and and to need war, you know, like for there to be a hunger for war was how he phrased it, I think. uh you know and to feel that we can only get what we deserve through combat because he knew he was kind of laying the and you see that with our government like trying to >> do you think that's going on now? >> Absolutely. >> The way people are excited about Manduro

[1:36:16] we can I wish we would asked him that. >> I had >> I kept wanting to do it. Yeah. >> Yeah. I wanted to bring that up to you cuz he would have had a good perspective cuz that was honestly that was the kind of thing he used to do like he was he was one >> extract an asset. He was the well he would he was he hunted terrorists like people that you know and he brought in some of the first guys to get caught that you know had connections to terrorism and stuff like real >> that's another thing I didn't get into

[1:36:46] is like the the the controlling of the opposition as well. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we we know that's going on. >> You know, you just listen to all these. I mean, especially the British Empire, dude. I mean, like, they basically created all the Islamic jihadists. They're behind all of it. Hey, real quick, go to samripolley.com. All the new dates are there. Dude, for some reason, and I don't know why, doom scrolling exploded on Rumble >> because it's a good show. A Tuesday,

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[1:38:18] didn't they? >> Yeah. I Well, that's all done on purpose so we'd never come together. You can watch it for two seconds. I don't want to show it. This one? >> Yeah. Watch it for two seconds. >> Oh, I saw this. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It makes me laugh. The best part of this video is this guy, this super progressive. >> Wait, but this is not that woman, right, >> Johnny? It's >> Oh, he represents her. >> Yeah, he's a trans indigenous person. >> I saw I saw this video. >> He's pretending pretending. So, that's all I could find in there. I see. Leave me alone. Um, yeah. So, go silly.com.

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[1:43:00] I'm in on some guy just wearing gay. Really? >> That's a >> Well, you'd wear that? >> I did. I wore it at Skankfest two years ago. [laughter] >> He's got it. >> I was walking by those t-shirt stores. And by the way, they you they don't give you $20 shirts. If you don't ask how much is this shirt before you go in >> $50? >> Yep. They're like $40. I go, "Dude, I'm not paying you $40 for the stupid shirt." >> I'm sorry. $50. >> Sergeant $5. I'm like, "30 bucks and that's too much." He's like, "Fine." >> You know, it cost him five bucks to make >> Yeah, it's nothing. But they just press

[1:43:31] it. Yeah, because they do all the [ __ ] right in the back. You can watch them. Yeah. Uh, Broken Sim, check out the new one. We'll have one out probably by the time you hear this. It'll be a perfect [ __ ] show, I'm sure. But it'll it's fine. >> It's illegal for the CIA to operate in America, but it seems like they do it all the time. >> They're not law I heard you say they're law enforcement, but they're not. They're not law enforcement. They're intelligence. The FBI is law enforcement. Uh, but they do all that same [ __ ] that they're not supposed to do. That's out of their purview and illegal. >> Yeah. Something something I forgot to ask him was uh do you think there's a

[1:44:03] software to detect AI? >> Like let's say someone makes you like if someone makes a crime of me doing something and it goes to court. You think eventually an AI video can put someone in court where they're like we don't know if that's AI. >> Yeah, that's concerning. >> Yeah, that is concerning. >> Yeah. Like what Johnny just said in 6 months you're not gonna be able to talk? >> Tyler Robinson. [laughter] >> You're right. >> Yeah, that's another farce right there. >> Like dude, that story is just such [ __ ] Like, and here's the problem with people. They're so mad at Candace for asking questions. Like, they're so

[1:44:34] mad. And I'm like, a guy got assassinated if you want to believe he's dead, right? And he's not in Vahala >> and his wife is doing political. >> Erica Kirk is not helping. Like, she is just living her best life. >> It's so crazy. Like, I understand if you got divorced and you were just slinging pee everywhere. >> Remember how Jackie O responded to Kennedy? Like she went on like getting some dick, but for a while she was done, dude. >> Yeah. But there was some weird stuff, too. You ever hear about that phone call between her and Linda B. Johnson?

[1:45:06] >> Yes. That is >> very suspect, bro. >> But she at least played at grief. >> Yeah. Just can you grieve for a month before you start doing Wrestlemania shows? And she's doing and she's doing the whole opposite of what uh Charlie would say. She would say, "Mothers needs to stay at home, take care of the kids." How you going to run the CEO? >> Oh, that's a great point, dude. Like how are you going to res you? >> By the way, where are your kids? Have you seen a picture of her with her kids since? >> And then that one uh former stripper senator

[1:45:36] L Luna or something like that of Florida. She used to be a stripper. >> Oh yeah, boy. She Yeah, she's smoking. >> Yeah, she's smoke show. She's like And she lost her kids and you're like, >> "What?" And then she had to backtrack on that. It makes you really wonder if those were her kids at all. >> Oh boy. >> Right. And it's like all this stuff's coming out about how much CIA involvement she had. And basically her parents did to her what Obama's grandpa did to his mother, which was turn them into MK

[1:46:07] Ultra Sexkins, right? They sent her in to just capture Charlie Kirk and make who knows if that was a real relationship or not. >> Anna Paulina Luna, right? >> Yeah. She's like and she lost her kids. She like where are the kids? What do you mean she lost them? She doesn't know where they are right now. >> They went back to the orphanage she stole them from. Yeah. [laughter] >> Well, Romania. >> And now it's I forget who was talking about, but someone big was talking about how Obama kids aren't the Obamas. Like that's how deep the deceit goes.

[1:46:38] >> They look just like him and his wife. >> No, dude. You They had the lady who delivered both the kids looks exactly like the daughter and the husband looks exactly like the older one. Dude, how's she going to have a kid if she has a dick? >> Actually, asking the scientific question, man. Stop bringing science in. >> Clones. Clones. >> Clone. [laughter] >> Stop bringing science in, dude. >> They I mean, we think they clone everybody, but they don't clone somebody to have a kid. I I totally buy that they would do that if they >> clone children.

[1:47:09] >> Yeah. What? I'm No. No. Like clone Obama or his wife to make the kids look like him. >> Dude, have you seen the funny meme where it's like Vince McMahon? You know, where he has that over excited where he's like, "Huh?" >> Yeah. about >> someone did that with Don Lemon, right? [laughter] >> They're like, arrest a gay black man. >> Yes, I saw that >> with the KKK law on Martin Luther King Day. YOU'RE LIKE, DANA thinks I'm aing a Nazi, but it's like, dude, you got to call out stupid. Stop oding on these dumb shows.

[1:47:40] >> Like, I get in a fight with her be like, I don't want you to turn on these channels on this TV. go in the other room in the guest room and watch her dog [ __ ] But then >> what does she watch? MS Now. >> Oh, she loves go back and forth between CNN and MSNBC. And then my mother, who I love with all my heart, she thinks she's like hearing both sides by watching both Fox News and MSNBC. I'm like, "Mom, you're hearing both sides of of retarded." >> Yeah. It's a very narrow spectrum, those two.

[1:48:11] >> They're both They When it comes to war, they're both on the same side. Yeah, >> every time. Every time. All right, guys. Uh oh, yeah, real quick. If you want to see me live, I forgot to tell. I got to get these dates up, but here are some shows coming to a theater near you. Uh I am going to be in Here we go. February 10th, Comedy Chaos at the Hollywood. February 20th, I'm in Baltimore. Uh February 21st, I'm in Pottstown. February 28th, I'm in Vegas doing an

[1:48:41] improv show with my old improv troop. It's like our 40th anniversary or 30th anniversary. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. So, we're going to go back and do it. Um, Bakersfield on uh Bakersfield, uh, Betavia, Dallas, Albuquerque, Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, and Tulsa. All coming up. I got more dates to come >> and those those will be there by the time you find >> Yeah, by the time you look at this, you can go to the website. They'll all be up there. Anything else, guys? >> Hit the like button. Please subscribe. >> All right. Johnny's dream came true.

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[1:56:01] Michael Jordan's level for me. Okay, it was the these years when people were questioning whether LeBron had the the killer mentality and there were times in which he didn't show up. You know, there were finals in which you go, where is LeBron James with the Miami Heat? He quit on a couple teams. He quit on the last Cavs team. There was his first time with the Lakers when they were obviously sucked. He was like, "Oh, I'm injured." You know, so there's a lot with LeBron,

[1:56:31] but what I see, I see it different, a little different than Kevin Garnett. Kobe would like wanted LeBron to take over. He was like, "Dude, you got to shoot." Like that that whole interaction after that. He's like, "Dude, you got to shoot the shot. You got to shoot the shot." Cuz people were talking about he wasn't taking over finals. He wasn't being the guy, he wasn't being the Michael Jordan of that [ __ ] And Kobe's like, "You got to shoot that shot, man. You got to shoot that shot." And when he passed it off, I I

[1:57:03] agree, dude. You know, it's not just LeBron either. That whole banana crew of him, Camilo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Paul. >> Chris Paul did huge. It's so funny that Chris Paul is just a a caring of the NBA. And by the way, LeBron James is getting there, too. >> Oh, dude. Yeah, he was terrible. >> LeBron James. Like, he's getting pounded for how bad he's playing with the Lakers. >> Yeah. I mean, he has >> like he's not running back on D cuz he's old, dude. It's like >> just terrible. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because he's old, dude. He's

[1:57:34] >> like, he can turn it on every now and then. He's like try, you know, he gets personal about it, like takes it personally like Jordan always did. And then you can see they're still in there. If he would just >> Yeah. I mean, like, dude, he's 41. When he wants to turn it on, he can. The problem is when you're taking up so much of that salary cap, you can't just pick and choose when you turn it on. >> Anyway, >> like instead of having one LeBron, they could have two really good players playing with them. >> Totally. Yeah. No, I mean, he's worth more in jersey sales now than anything. Um, so Rogan here had Ran Paul on. And then this is I thought this was

[1:58:04] fascinating. Um this may we're going to really push YouTube here, but let's see what happens. >> If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at youtube.com/samri. >> There we go. What's up, guys? It's number one podcast in the world. We're finally live. That was me uh what four or five years ago >> only. >> Dude, I could have swore I would have had papers by then. I was It was still It was a joke. It's still no still [ __ ] serious. [laughter]

[1:58:35] Damn, that thing was a long time ago. But we're here. We're [ __ ] finally live. I already saw the first super chat. Uh, if you got my number, let me know if the sounds good and everything's working out good. Uh, right off the bat, you guys already know we don't smoke the same style. We're doing a mystery giveaway for the super chats. Uh, we got a hat. We got a mystery t-shirt by Sam Tripley that I can't show. Then I have this one. So, all you got to do is super chat to win. And, uh, we're here live. You guys been asking for it for a long time. We're live. Chile, how you feeling? >> I feel good.

[1:59:05] >> We're feeling good. >> We feel good. >> You didn't do the bring like number one. I got my number one producer/graphic designer, Chile Millie. >> Yeah, it's not. >> It's not working. >> It's not. >> Oh man, we got a couple technical difficulties. I don't know. We're still figuring it out. It's been a while. Been a while since we were live over at Felipe. [laughter] >> We were talking about how it was nervous. Like right now, I couldn't figure out how to get the settings right. And then Chile's like, "Dude, you're sweating over there, too." Bro, [laughter] >> I looked at her. I was like, "Dude, do

[1:59:37] you remember how stressful it was when we were when we would go live for Filipe or when you would go live for Felipe?" >> Yeah, that [ __ ] was terrifying. >> Yeah. Scary as [ __ ] But we're live. How's it? Uh, do we got anybody in there? >> Yeah, we got people. I just can't see it. Um, did you Okay. You want to get into it? >> Oh, get into Why? Why? We took a week off. >> We took two weeks off. No. >> Yeah, cuz me and Shilly started beefing. I didn't I didn't post it. [laughter] >> Oh, you didn't? >> No, you unfollowed me and then you followed me again. Why did you unfollow me? >> I did. What do you know? I I THOUGHT YOU UNFOLLOWED ME. I even told Jenny I was

[2:00:08] like, >> "Oh, cuz I deleted it." >> Yeah, >> my bad. Anyways, >> no, but I was gone for two weeks cuz uh just a couple technical difficulties. Mostly my girl [ __ ] ate [ __ ] We went snowboarding. Yeah, we were supposed to record on Monday and me and my girl went snowboarding Sunday and dude, it was bad. We got hit on a 360 camera. She was just going a little too fast on a Sunday and on those days it's a little bit too [ __ ] packed. There's it looks like a zoo out. There's like a thousand snowboarders, a thousand skiers. And uh

[2:00:39] she called back back behind me, behind me. And this kid just fell right in front of her. Concussion. She didn't even remember running into me for like five minutes. We drank a beer and I was like, "Did we just drink a beer?" Look, play the video. Not gonna lie. Like, you sent me this video and it was actually uh it's pretty dope video. Like, I wish I I had it. Let me see. >> Behind you. >> Ow. >> Are you okay? >> Look at that. Some random guy just

[2:01:09] [ __ ] came over there and picked up the camera. I He could have stole it. >> Smashed your head. >> People out there on the slopes are so nice, >> dude. I thought he moved the camera for a second. >> Yeah, it's on like the whole vision's on his crotch. >> Yeah, but it was bad. >> No, that's terrifying. Major concussion. Got like checking in on her. [clears throat] >> Can you see me? >> Yeah. >> You want to play? >> How many? >> I mean, it's pretty. No, that's it. Yeah, I just I just got the part. I

[2:01:40] mean, she recorded her whole her whole run and she just obviously >> got a concussion. No, >> bad. Yeah, >> dude. You're bad luck. >> I'm bad luck. It's three in a row. I'm not even lying. I pull I show I I gave Chile all the files. I went smoking with my homie Hibby Gibbies. We don't smoke the same High and Hungry fan. He broke his collar bone and I have a video and a picture of him literally at the same patrol place. Then the weekend after that, I go with my homie Fernando. You guys all know him from the [ __ ] vlogs. He's a snowboarder, too. This motherfucker's using the X5 camera

[2:02:10] again. He's going super fast. >> Wait, does he have that one? No, he Dude, I think he hit the camera so [ __ ] hard he restarted the I lost all my files on that day. >> Damn. >> Yeah, he was going. So, he was just going and there was some kids in front of him and you know, you never want to hurt the kids. So, he tried to avoid the kids, runs into like a pile of dirt where there's no snow, I guess. He eats [ __ ] His elbow hits his kidney. >> Damn. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. His elbow hit his kidney and he's kind of in pain, but we've been drinking, so he's kind of like trying to

[2:02:41] tough it out, trying to man up and [ __ ] and we just got there. So, he's also like, "Yo, I don't want to ruin your guys' day." type of [ __ ] So, we go back, go have a couple beers. I roll up a joint. He's fine. And I'm like, "You good?" He's like, "I'm I'm in a little pain, but like I can paid money to hear. I'm already here. Let's let's go on some runs." And I'm like, "All right, let's go." We get back on the shuttle cuz they have like like festivals where they have a shuttle, so you can park there and then they they take you to the resort. So, it's a little cheaper. And right before we're about to go on a run, he's like, "Hey, uh, I got to go use the restroom." Like, "Oh, yeah, good idea.

[2:03:12] had a couple beers, bro. I go first and I [ __ ] pee really fast and then I beat him to it. I'm outside waiting for him and he walks out. His face says it all. It's like this face of like like scared. Yeah. And like what happened? He's like, "Dude, there's a little bit of blood in my piss." >> I'm surprised he said something knowing Fed cuz he never says anything. >> Yeah, but that's like I'm good. I'm good. >> Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking cuz I called his sister. I'm the one who like kind of like handled the situation a little bit. I like called his sister. I called everybody and then he's like, "Dude, we're even surprised Fed said anything." But

[2:03:43] >> he ate [ __ ] And then the weekend after that, Jenny ate [ __ ] So, I don't know if I'm I need Olympia. Like these [ __ ] Santos say, "I need Olympia. I don't know if it's me. I don't know if I should start snowboarding." I got insurance though. >> I think Mexicans don't belong in snowboard. >> Shut up, Sam. Tripley. >> Just saying. >> You heard him. >> No. >> So was talking [ __ ] He's like, "I thought you had bad knees. You're out there snowboarding." And then he's like, >> Eone said the same [ __ ] >> Yeah. [laughter] And then he he he made Johnny look up. Hey Johnny, do me a favor. Can you look up how many uh Winter Olympic uh medals

[2:04:16] Mexico has? >> Damn, that's >> zero. [laughter] And then he came up with this funny ass joke. He's like, I think they should have won the uh what's that one where they're sweeping. [laughter] >> SAM'S LIKE, WHAT? YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE WON THAT. PUT THE [ __ ] HOUSE CLEANERS IN THAT. [ __ ] YOU HIT IT. YOUR LITTLE HOUSE CLEANING. YOU [ __ ] clip that [laughter] with all [ __ ] Fed in the in the in the ambulance. >> That sucks. Don't play feds. I want to see feds. >> Yeah, dude. I just I mean I when people get hurt, you don't want to record, but I had to get him getting [ __ ] >> Oh, actually, when you sent me this, so

[2:04:47] when you sent it to me, I thought you guys were alone. And then when I seen him in the ambulance and I'm like, dude, this is [ __ ] scary. He could have died. No. >> Well, he could have died. >> Internal bleeding. >> That's That's exactly what they were checking. And they had they ran a lot of CT scans for him. a lot of [ __ ] I think he they even ran an MRI. He was in the hospital for like almost 12 hours. >> Oh, that's it. >> 18 hours. Yeah. They ran a bunch of tests on him and then >> You think he was bleeding cuz he drank? >> No, he he he probably he hurt his kidney. He probably like >> But I mean like you know like drinking makes you your blood go uh what is it?

[2:05:18] >> A is not good with drinking. >> Thinning out. He's already sick. >> Yeah, is not really good with drinking at the end to be honest with you. He's not a big tequila guy. >> Oh, he's drinking tequila. >> Oh, you're drinking everything, bro. >> Yeah. >> I'm chilly. Don't drink no tequila. By the way, Three Eyes gave us a huge ass [ __ ] >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah, dude. I'm going to hook you up with a mystery box. You already got You already won. >> No, no, no. We can keep getting more. You guys, >> I'll do another one. No, I'll do [laughter] another one. But if it's that big of a [ __ ] It's >> $50. >> Yeah. Yeah. You got a box, dog. >> You got one. We'll do a whole another box. Thank you. Thank you, [ __ ] Three Eyes, man. We love you like always. >> Love you. Love you. Okay, so let me play

[2:05:51] this [ __ ] >> He's like flirting with the girl. Let me play it again cuz I [ __ ] up. [laughter] Yeah, >> he's like flirting with the girl. No, >> chilly. He's [ __ ] dying. I don't think THIS [laughter] FOOL'S TRYING TO FLIRT with anybody. I love Fed, but he's also not that But he's not that type of guy. You can see I I mean, you could have seen You could say [laughter] that about me. I could see XG like, "Oh, dude, I have a podcast. Have you checked out my podcast?" >> That's funny, dude. >> No, that's not fair. But he [ __ ] Yeah, I feel bad. So, I feel Don't come snowboarding with me. That's why I'm trying to start to figure out to tell people. Maybe you don't want to come

[2:06:22] with me. >> Three ice. I'm going to drink 700 beers cuz I remember that year I drank uh beer every day. >> Oh, did you do the full year? >> No. The hell >> I was about to say. I don't think you capped. >> I can't do that. >> I don't think you cap the full year. >> No, that should be easy for most people. Um did you So, you sent me Sam's uh debate thing. I actually I forgot he even he has so many [ __ ] podcast. Hey, didn't Oh, never mind. Never mind. Um he has so many podcasts that I forgot this was a thing. I was wondering what his posts were. >> Do you know what it is though? Right. >> No. So, it's basically it's called ward.

[2:06:55] Ward. I can't I'm [ __ ] such illiterate. >> I know. >> Can you say it? >> I don't know what you're trying to say. >> It's it's war. Okay. It's [laughter] World War debates but with ward in it. It's just too many W's at once. >> A ward with a D. >> Yeah. Like click on it. It's a debate. They're It's a It's a debating show where basically he gets like um you know both of them that are on there. Click on the file I sent you >> on the actual page. >> No. No. Click on the >> Let me Let me do this fancy stuff. Wait. Play it right. Yeah. >> Hey, God. Damn. >> You know her?

[2:07:27] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's her name? >> They debated. >> Oh, really? >> Pearl, what are you doing? Like, seriously. >> Two girls. >> Next question. >> It was bad. She ate dog [ __ ] >> Wait, what's going on? >> How many women die every year during childirth? >> Not many. >> This country has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed country. So, a lot of women do die as a result of pregnancy and child birth. Yes, >> I don't mind her. She's a little liberal, but >> she sucks dick with her teeth. >> What do you think, Kyla?

[2:07:58] >> Well, um I think Anna said it all. You know, I think whatever opinion you have on the topic, that was an absolute bloodbath. Uh huge respect to Pearl for coming out, but if you're going to hold this position, you should be able to support it. And if you think that Pearl won that debate, you're probably [ __ ] Like, I don't know. That was a blood bath. That was rough. >> Well, you know, when you kind of get into and you watch this is Anna's [laughter] world and we've seen her on Pierce Morgan and stuff like that. What do you think, Gavin? Well, I guess I'm [ __ ] cuz I thought Pearl [laughter] did great. I think that >> Gavin McInness, he's wild. >> You know what I noticed going on over there? Anna doesn't have kids. Pearl has

[2:08:29] a kid. And Anna was doing this like masculine thing where she was being really, you know, viferous and attacking Pearl. And Pearl had this sort of like calm. >> Why are we infantilizing Pearl? She's got 2 million subscribers. When you when a woman has a kid, >> we are absolutely infant infantilizing. >> I'm saying I'm saying women who have given birth women who have given birth are better than women who haven't given birth. >> Sorry. You're more of a valid for a woman [laughter] if you have a kid. >> I mean, he's right. >> I mean, I I had a miscarriage. So, am I less valid or more valid as a woman? >> What happened to you?

[2:09:02] >> We go deep, homeboy. Open your [music] mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. [music] That's some interdimensional. >> Wake up, Aaron. >> This is only the beginning. >> Dude, you just blew my mind. Tim foil hack. Tim foil hack. oil.
