Title: Pt1 Reluctant Spy / Pt2 Michael Bowe (probe: 2-part)
Show: The Opperman Report
Date: 2026-01-15
URL: https://youtu.be/nlcNzPkfo6M
Duration: 119:00

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[00:01] [Music] It's the Operman Report. Join digital forensic investigator and PI Ed Operan for an in-depth discussion of conspiracy theories, strategy of new world order resistance, high-profile court cases in the news, and interviews with expert guests and authors on these topics and more. It's the Operman Report. And now here is investigator Ed Oppperman. [Music]

[06:19] and uh to make a long story short, it turned out he was actually undercover as a professor. He was working as what used to be called a CIA spotter looking for grad students who would fit into the agency's culture. And so, um, he recruited me into the CIA right out of graduate school. You know, there must be a lot of that because I know I've had another I've had a lot of CIA guys on the show and, uh, uh, I I believe I've heard that story before that they were recruited. Yeah. Yeah. By a professor. Yeah. It it

[06:49] actually used to be quite common. It it really, you know, until 1992 or '93 with the passage of the Equal Employment Opportunity Act, it was pretty much the only real way to get into the CIA. You had to be noticed. You had to be spotted. I mean, it's like it's like being at the soda fountain at whatever that famous uh drugstore was in Hollywood, you know, if you wanted to be an actor. So, um you know, there there used to be senior CIA officers undercover at important universities all around the

[07:20] country and I just, you know, was lucky enough to to uh have one as my grad school adviser. Now, so but but you had no plans uh even though you were taking these foreign languages. Uh you had no plans to go into the CIA or something like that. No, I was thinking that I I would probably end up on Capitol Hill or maybe take the foreign service exam. I knew I wanted to work in foreign affairs uh doing something, but I hadn't really given the CIA any thought until they approached me. Okay, gotcha. Now, now you said you were at first you were an

[07:51] analyst or something like that. Yeah, I was for the first half of my career. And the the analytic jobs at the CIA are a lot of fun if especially if you're an introvert because you're going to sit in your cubicle 9 or 10 hours a day and think the big thoughts and write important papers and send those papers to the White House and hope that the president reads them and comments on them. Um, but you know, after doing that year in year out, working on Iraq, you know, year after year after year, it it

[08:22] wears you down. And I I thought, boy, I'm I'm 30 years old. There's got to be more than more to life than this. So, uh, I decided, you know, I I spoke Arabic, I spoke Greek, and, um, it was time for something exciting. And so, on the strength of those two languages, I was able to switch over to counterterrorism operations. And this is around 30 years old now. So, you must been in pretty good shape, right? Yeah, I I was in pretty good shape. I I wasn't a former military, but

[08:53] I I was thin and young and strong and happy to jump out of the plane and be trained in everything else. And you know, the friends of mine were like, "Are you sure you want to do this? This is going to be rough. This is going to be like being in the military, at least through training." And I said, "Yeah, I know. Yeah, I can I can tough it out for whatever it was, six or eight months at the time." And I ended up doing very well. And I enjoyed it very much. A and because right because the operations you were doing as part of the CIA were actually military combat operations,

[09:24] right? Well, no. Um they became military or paramilitary combat operations after September 11th. Before September 11th, it was, you know, much more old school. It was much more sophisticated. Uh where we have something called the asset recruitment cycle. It's it's every officer has to spot, assess, develop, and recruit um an agent in order to get promoted, right? You have to recruit spies to steal secrets. And you spot these people depending on what your

[09:55] target is or what kind of job you're doing at diplomatic cocktail parties or wherever. I mean, any number of of different scenarios. After September 11th, it really did change to to paramilitary operations where, you know, you're you're wearing whatever special forces were and you parachute into something and you shoot the place up and you grab the bad guy. But before September 11th, that's really not what the CIA was. Before it sounds more like

[10:26] Amway or like you're recruiting people to come in underneath you, but you know, pretty much it was the same idea. Then you have to establish a a relationship with somebody with your target, right? You have to establish a rapport um to the point where you become so close to that person or at least that person thinks that you're close. Uh to the point where he's going to commit espionage for you, he's going to commit treason for you because he likes you. I mean, there's certainly other motivators, money, revenge, ideology,

[10:56] but the real basis of the relationship is friendship. Wow. It's an It's almost like you're a con man or a cult. You know, I I've said years in interviews that that those of us who were in operations or are in operations uh right now you're trained to lie and you lie every day and you lie all day and you live a lie. You just have to know when to turn it off at the end of the day. A lot of guys can't and

[11:29] so you know the CIA has a skyhigh divorce rate. Um but uh yeah you you are very well trained as a professional liar. Okay. Fascinating. Okay. So now uh and you said that you you went you went to Afghanistan and you captured this guy. Who was this guy you captured in in Pakistan? This was Abu Zabeda. We thought at the time that he was the number three in al-Qaeda. Okay. In fact, he had never actually joined al-Qaeda, but his job was to provide al-Qaeda's um

[12:00] logistical support, logistical leadership. He created al-Qaeda's two training camps in southern Afghanistan. Um if you needed a false passport or you needed a plane ticket, Abu Zuba was the guy. If you needed a safe house or a way to uh to get from point A to point B across the border, you went to Abu Zuba. So although he had never formally joined al-Qaeda, he had never pledged feely to Osama bin Laden, he was al-Qaeda's go-to guy for logistics.

[12:30] Okay, that's interesting. So now, but you hear these stories over here in the United States that they're hanging out in caves and stuff like that. Yeah, not true. Okay, then give us I don't I don't know how that rumor ever got started that they were living in caves. That the whole cave story never made sense to me because I mean these guys are just like everybody else. You can you can rough it for for only so long. You know, people used to ask me, "Where do you think Bin Laden is?" And I said, I used to say, "I think Bin Laden is comfortable in a house in a major city somewhere." And I'll tell you why. Because these guys

[13:01] always thought that we thought that they were hiding in the tribal areas because we can't get to the tribal areas except with the use of drones. In fact, we knew that they were all in major cities. And it was this reverse reverse psychology. So when they're in the cities thinking that we're looking for them in the countryside, they tend to be a little bit more sloppy, especially with their electronic communications, cell phones, email, stuff like that. And then they're

[13:32] easier to catch when they're in the city. I mean, we caught Abu Zuba in a major city. We caught Khaled Shikh Muhammad in a major city. He was the mastermind of the 911 attacks. We caught uh Abdulahanidi in a major city. He was the mastermind of the coal bombing. We caught Ramsey Binib in a major city. And then of course, you know, Bin Laden was in the Pakistani version of West Point in a major city. Yeah. Right. Now, now what do you make of that? You know, cuz uh you'd think that these guys would be on our side, right? Or on your side, you

[14:02] know, on the CIA side. Oh well, you know, I always said that the Pakistani Intelligence Service, ISI, was really two separate organizations. The the guys that I was working with were were just fantastic. I mean, they were all trained in the UK. Uh they all went through Sandhurst and British police training and they were really great. They were great counterterrorism partners. But ISI is also the same organization that created the Taliban. You know when when

[14:34] Benazir Bhau was the prime minister of Pakistan, she created the Taliban. See Taliban is a word in both Arabic and in Udu that means uh students. The the the singular is Talib and the plural is Taliban which means students. And these students were studying in Madras in Islamic private Islamic schools in Pakistan. And they were they were Afghan nationals. So the Pakistanis were running trucks across Afghanistan to

[15:04] Iran so that they could sell their goods in Iran and the um trucks were being hijacked as they were crossing Pakistan. So Benazir BH got this group of students together and said I want you to ride along in the trucks you know with weapons and if anybody tries to hijack the trucks fight them off. So as these trucks would cross Afghanistan, the Taliban were able to secure individual uh villages along the route and that's how they ended up taking over Pakistan.

[15:36] So Benazer Bhau and ISI created the Taliban, they trained the Taliban, they financed the Taliban, they armed the Taliban and at the same time other ISI officers are working with us to fight the Taliban. So there was this disconnect within the Pakistani intelligence service. You could trust some of them, you couldn't trust others. You just had to play your cards well. Okay. Now, I I recall I forget who was

[16:08] president at the time, but I I recall the Taliban coming to the United States and it was like a big press conference and it was revealed that their lobbyist was the daughter of one of the CIA directors. Are you familiar with that story? Yeah, I do remember that story. And I I recall she was based in New Jersey, I think it was. Do you remember which CI CIA director that was? Yeah, I don't. But I I recall it being sort of a non-controversial issue at the time

[16:38] because, you know, we we never had any beef with the Taliban historically. that some of those members of the Taliban, especially the older ones, were jihadis from the from the uh the war against the Soviets. And of course, we we financed them, we trained them, we armed them, we gave them Stinger missiles, and every year or two, they would come to the United States, they would meet with President Reagan, they would be fetted in Washington, then they'd go back to uh to Afghanistan. So, we had this relationship with at least some of these

[17:10] these people. And until bin Laden went to Afghanistan, we sort of saw the Taliban as not our fight. If if they were going to trample women's rights, well, you know, we had no national interest there. It was none of our business. It wasn't until they provided safe haven for Bin Laden that we decided this was going to be a problem. What do you make of Bin Laden? Okay. There's some people say that outright that he was CIA and they had I think his

[17:40] name was Osman or something like that. Ben Osman, you know, they had another name, you know. Yeah. And that uh and then you got all this stuff about how um his brothers connected up with the the Carile group and was actually meeting with Bush the the day of 9/11. Oh. Oh, sure. But but that's not scandalous. That's not unusual. First of all, Bin Laden was never trained by the CIA. He was never a CIA source. He was never armed by the CIA. He didn't actually go to Afghanistan from Saudi Arabia until after the CIA um stopped

[18:12] funding and training uh the uh Afghan mujaheden. So that's kind of a common misnomer. A lot of people think that the CIA trained Bin Laden or created bin Laden. That's just not true. Um you're talking about the extended Bin Laden family. The Bin Laden family is a very honorable family in Saudi Arabia. They're incredibly wealthy, you know, 10 figure kind of wealthy because the old man Abdul Rahman bin Laden who originally moved to Saudi Arabia from

[18:43] Yemen um created what became the kingdom's largest construction firm and and his firm would make would would do the biggest projects. They would build airports and and hospitals and ports and shopping malls and stuff like that. So, old the old man insisted that that most if not all of his uh children be educated in the West. Um they travel to the United States all the time. They own property in Beverly Hills and in Miami

[19:14] Beach. And you know, they're very Americanized. It's just that that one son, Osama, was for whatever reason radicalized. and instead of going into the family business along with his 113 other brothers, um he he went to Afghanistan to make jihad. And and and what do you make of uh people who say, "Well, he he died prior to the to the story that that we hear in the news about him." Yeah, that that's

[19:44] just nonsense. I mean, you know, we we would get these reports at the CIA all the time that Bin Laden had kidney failure. He was on dialysis inside a cave. uh he had u some kind of spinal disorder. We were always getting these these uh medical uh rumors reported back to us and and none of them ended up uh to be true. But no, he he he was in perfectly fine health except for some arthritis. Um he had an ongoing hip problem. Um but he he was he was healthy

[20:15] enough to wage war against the United States until the day he died. Okay. Um, oh boy. Oh, okay. I almost forgot. Okay, set my mind for a second. What What do you make of these stories about the the the Navy Seals uh who are part of that operation now all of a sudden they're all dead in uh in helicopter crashes and stuff, right? You know, that's actually not uncommon. Um being a Navy Seal is one of the most dangerous

[20:46] professions in the world. And um we're not talking specifically about the Navy Seals who were directly uh involved in the Bin Laden takedown being killed. We're talking about Navy Seals from their broader unit. So we're talking about, you know, 100, 120, 150 SEALs. So for for a number of SEALs, a high number of SEALs to be killed, um whether it's in accidents or in combat is actually very sadly uh common.

[21:17] Okay. Okay. So, no, so you're saying that the uh when we hear these stories about how the Navy Seals who killed Bin Laden, now most of them are dead. It's You're saying it's not the actual same guys. It's just the guys in the same No, not at all. Okay. It's not the same guys. Uh-uh. Interesting. Okay. Um Yeah, let me interrupt you. You know, when when people talk about Seal Team Six, um or you see Steel Team Six in movies, you you imagine a dozen or dozen half guys that make up Seal Team Six. In fact, it's several hundred guys

[21:48] that make up Seal Team Six. And it's, you know, from those several hundred uh that that we find these these individuals who have been killed in accidents or killed in combat. Now, what about the stories about the the funeral like this this ocean funeral and then even some uh congressmen who saw pictures and stuff like that said it looked like it was fake and and then even the White House had to kind of step back on some of the official story around that. What do you make of that? Yeah, you know, I don't know what to

[22:19] believe. I I think he probably was buried at sea the way they they say he was buried at sea. Maybe some of the details are wrong cuz God knows the White House's story changes constantly uh every time this comes up. But I I don't I just don't see any conspiracy related to it. I see a bunch of people talking out of school and and pretending to know the details of what happened when in fact they don't really know the details. And I think that's why the story tends to change. But I do think that Bin Laden

[22:49] was killed uh in whatever it was, May of 2011. I think he really was buried at sea. Um and I I'm just not sure that the details are really that important. Now, now how about when you were in CIA, were you ever involved in like promoting false stories and and uh No, you know, I there there is such a thing as a false flag operation. False flag operations are very very um difficult and there are a lot of moving parts and you have to have a lot of people that buy into the

[23:20] conspiracy. Um but but we really didn't use those very often because they were so complicated. It wasn't until, you know, just recently, you know, where people have started to email me or Facebook me or contact me on Twitter about false flag operations. And you I I even have one friend who just thinks that every event in life is a false flag operation. And it's just it just seems so preposterous to me because they are so labor intensive and so difficult to carry out.

[23:51] That just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. I I sympathize with you. I get those emails, too. They mean well. I They really do. But I know. And you kind of can't blame some people for being paranoid, you know. You can't blame people for being paranoid. No, you can't. You know, when when you have a government that's not transparent, right? When you have a government that that pretends to tell the American people the whole story uh related to these to these terrorist uh you know, operations. And then the story changes. You can't blame people for

[24:22] being for being suspicious of the government line. Right. Right. And and you said now we have a government that tortures people and says it's okay. Exactly. And that denied it and denied it and denied it. You know, I said this I said this the other day in in an op-ed that I wrote. Everything that the government has told us about torture since 2002 has been a lie. So why would you believe them? Now, you know, George W. Bush said in 2002, "We don't torture." And he said it again in three and four and five and six and seven. The

[24:54] week that I went on ABC News, he looked right in the camera and he said, "We do not torture." And I remember saying to my wife, "That is a bald-faced lie. He's just lying to the American people." And George Tennant said the same thing in 2005 on 60 Minutes. He came off in that segment like he was unhinged. He was practically shouting it. We don't torture. We don't torture. We don't torture. Well, of course we torture. And what makes it worse is not

[25:26] only are there US laws that that prohibit torture, but there are international treaties and conventions that the US is a signatory to and in some cases that the US wrote and bullied other countries into signing. And then we violate those international treaties and conventions by torture. Let me tell you another thing. In January of 1968, the Washington Post ran a front page photograph of a of an American soldier waterboarding a North Vietnamese

[25:57] prisoner. When that photo was published, the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamera, um ordered an investigation. The soldier was arrested and he was charged with torture and he was convicted and sent to prison. So why was torture illegal in 1968, but it wasn't illegal in 2002? Cuz the law didn't change. There was no there was no amendment to the law banning torture, saying, "Well, okay, now it's okay." You

[26:29] know, there was no law that said, "Well, water boarding is not torture. Cold cell's not torture. sleep deprivation, not torture. The law didn't change, but we just had a group of attorneys in the Justice Department who decided that they were going to twist the law uh to do what they wanted and that's exactly what happened. Yeah, this is really, you know, you and I are the same age, you know, uh and this it this is such a a disturbing uh that even that we're even talking about this and that people are

[26:59] excusing it and uh it's really uh shattering. It is. It is. You know, I I I consider myself to be a patriot. And not just a patriot, but a patriot who who spent 20 years serving my country in some of the most awful and dangerous places on earth. And I know that my country is better than this. My country shouldn't be waterboarding people or or

[27:30] forcing hummus up their rectums or murdering them in the middle of of uh interrogations or to make matters worse droning American citizens overseas who have not been charged with a crime who have not had the right to meet their accusers in court. That's not the America that I know and love. I don't know where this came from. Okay. Okay. Well, then then coming from where you are right now today and and just having served 30 months, I believe, right? 30 months. Yes. Do you still consider

[28:01] yourself a patriot? Do you still support the Iraq war, the the Afghanistan war? Do you still uh where are you now? Well, I I am a patriot. I never I never supported the Iraq war, though. I never thought that was a just war. And I even spent a good amount of uh space in my in my first book about it. U that was a war of choice. That was a war of revenge for the Bush family. Uh but yeah, I I always supported the Afghan war. I don't anymore because because the the whole point of the Afghan war was to defeat al-Qaeda and we defeated al-Qaeda by the middle of 2003. So the rest of this

[28:33] since 2003, this has been nation building which is never a good idea. But yeah, I I am still a patriot and I want my September 10th country back. And what about the overthrow ruined by by George W. Bush and by Barack Obama equally? What about the overthrow in Libya? See, this is another thing. Gaddafi was a was a very bad guy, but we actually had a very healthy working relationship with with Gaddafi. And Gaddafi hated al-Qaeda as much as we did. So, flipping

[29:04] sides at the last minute like we did to overthrow Gaddafi was a was a terrible policy error. I mean, look at the place now. It's it's literally anarchy. It's chaos. Right. Well, you say it's a policy area, but according to Wesley Clark, he says that's the plan all along is to cause destabilization to cause chaos. See, this is the thing. And and Wes Clark, I mean, Wes Clark was a four-star general, um, he ought to know um, what he's talking about. So, if that's if that's the policy, I think that's an incredibly shortsighted policy

[29:36] because invariably where there's a power vacuum, we get dragged in. And when we get dragged into something like this, like we did in Lebanon, for example, in the 1980s, we can't get ourselves back out again. Do do you think there's a motive to get us back out when the when these companies like Hallebertton are making all this money on laundry and and it just it's unbelievable the kind of money they're making over there? That that's a really important point. I never believed that until I'm going to say the last four or five years. And I I've come

[30:07] to the conclusion that that we need economically we need for war to be a permanent thing. Yeah. And already the American people are sort of numb to the idea of war in part because we have an allv volunteer military. Uh and I think that's why we're not seeing demonstrations in the streets. I mean already Afghanistan it's the longest war in American history. It's twice as long, more than actually it's more than Well, now it's it's three times as long as World War II was. And uh you know,

[30:40] nobody's really upset about this. Yeah, we better take a commercial break. Uh we're here with uh John in Kuraku. Kuraku. Karaku. John Kuraku. He's the author of Reluctant Spy. Uh I have it right here. uh American no reluctant spy my secret life in the CIA's war on terror and I have a link to that uh book the Amazon link on the operanreportblogspot.com and it'll be in the oper uh bookstore. Uh but John

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[35:24] show. Okay, welcome back to the Operman Report. I'm your host, private investigator Ed Aberman. Uh we're here tonight with John Kiryaku, uh who's the author of Reluctant Spy. Uh real quick, I want to give a shout out to John Podash. Uh John Podash, a really big friend of the show here. He's the author of uh Drugs as a Weapon Against Us. Uh and that's the the FBI's war on Tupac. Uh he's going to be doing a slideshow presentation at Loo De Jesus uh in

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[36:26] terror. So, now John, where did um the torturing get started? Was this at the Guantanamo? Was this in Abu Grae? Where did you It was before Abu Grae and um actually before Guantanamo. uh Abis Ba was the first highlevel uh al-Qaeda related prisoner that we had captured. And so you know at the time and when I say at the time I mean I mean immediately

[36:56] after the September 11th attacks, Osama bin Laden released a statement in which he said that al-Qaeda was planning another attack that would dwarf September 11th. And we were panicked at the thought because September 11th was a was a disaster. It was an intelligence failure. It was just an an acrosstheboard, you know, American failure. So we were worried about this this what they call the ticking time bomb scenario. And so CIA's leadership believed that Abda

[37:29] had information related to whatever this upcoming attack was or was going to be. In fact, there there was no upcoming attack. Uh he just said it to panic us and and he succeeded. So, a decision was made at CIA headquarters that we were going to come up with these with these torture techniques. It was a list of of something like 10 different torture techniques. And um and they sent this list to the Justice Department, which approved it. And then it went to the

[38:01] lawyers at the National Security Council. They approved it. From there it went to the um national security adviser who was she was conda race at the time. She approved it and sent it to the president. Well, nobody in the CIA's leadership thought the president was going to approve this cuz it was clearly torture. And sure enough, he approved it. And I remember sitting in a meeting with the deputy director of the CIA um the day after the memo, the signed memo came into headquarters and the deputy director said something like three times

[38:33] during the course of our conversation, I can't believe the president signed that memo. I can't believe it. And that's how the torture regime started. Guantanamo I mean we we really didn't even how should I say this? Guantanamo was supposed to be a temporary stop. See, we were we were capturing people so quickly and we were capturing so many of them, especially after the fall of Tora Bora in October 2001, that we needed someplace to just park them long enough

[39:05] uh for us to put all the paperwork together and then send them to the United States to stand trial because September 11th was still an ongoing open criminal investigation. Guantanamo was never supposed to be permanent. They were supposed to stay there only long enough for us to then send them onward to the states for uh for trial. And of course, nobody ever went on trial. And here we are 14 years later and we're still talking about whether or not we should close Guantanamo.

[39:37] You know, my next guest tonight, uh, Michael, uh, Bo, the attorney, uh, and the story is about how the Marines turned a blind eye to child sex abuse. Did you ever run in across any of that over there? Yeah, in Afghanistan, you actually run into it with some regularity. It's this weird thing in Afghan culture that if a boy um does not yet have whiskers, if he hasn't yet reached puberty, um you can have sex with him. Uh it's specific to to um

[40:10] Sunni Muslims. And uh that's why a lot of a lot of Taliban uh would would rape young boys. It's just this weird perverted cultural thing that they have. What about the stories we heard of of uh young boys being raped at Abu Grae in front of their parents as part of interrogation? Um to the best of my understanding that didn't happen. Although I mean it's almost as bad. Uh it's my understanding

[40:41] that some of our soldiers threatened prisoners with that. That if you don't talk we're going to rape your children. if you don't talk, we're gonna rape your your wife or we're gonna rape rape your children in front of your wife. We'll rape your wife in front of you. You know, that kind of thing. Now, that that's also a violation of law, both US law and and uh the um United Nations Convention on Torture. Uh but we we actually did that kind of thing in Abu Grave, at least threatened it. I mean,

[41:12] well, if you look at some of the pictures that came out of Abu, have you been to Abu Grae? What do you know firstand? No. No, I've not been to have a grape. Okay. But you you've seen some of those pictures that came out of there. Oh, yeah. They're horrific. Naked guys and naked guys in a pyramid. You know that it's way beyond the naked guys with electrical wires attached to their scrotums. You know, we we did horrible things to people over there. So, whatever things that that aren't that aren't appropriate in any circumstance, whether in war or peace or even effective to get uh confessions out of

[41:44] people. And really, that's the most important point. They're not effective in any way in getting confessions or in getting any kind of intelligence. You know, we know now from both the Senate torture report and the CIA Inspector General's report that was released in the spring of 2009 that torture never worked, that that CIA interrogators never gathered any actionable intelligence and that no American lives were saved. And and let me add one more thing about that, too. You hear a lot of people now saying, "Well, it was just the Senate Intelligence Committee

[42:15] Democrats that signed on to that report." Let me remind those naysayers that the Senate Democrats and the Senate Intelligence Committee investigators used primary source documents, that is original CIA intelligence cables from the field to write that report. So there is no rebuttal. You know, there is no excuse. Torture didn't work. It never works. It didn't save any American lives.

[42:46] Did you watch the hearings yesterday? I did. Okay. So did I. The whole thing all day long. Now, now, what do you make of that? It seems to me that something more was going on down there with the CIA compound across from this uh you know, you've heard the rumors, right, about gun running and these kind of things. What do you make of that? Yeah, I think there's actually uh some evidence of gun running. Yeah, you know, this this whole idea of gununn um has been a problem really since the very beginning of the uprising against

[43:16] Gaddafi already already Libya is kind of a no man's land because it's its borders aren't clearly defined. The desert is constantly shifting. Libya is an intensely tribally based society. So, you can't really, you know, people in Libya never really trust their central government. And then you've got vast numbers of weapons uh changing hands. So, you know, who's involved? I'm not sure we're ever going to really get to the bottom of that story. Was the CIA

[43:48] involved? Were the British involved? Were the Egyptians involved? I don't think we'll ever really know. And it doesn't seem like that these hearings are even trying to find out. Yeah. you know, there are so many legitimate issues that we could be talking about related to Benghazi or or Libya more broadly. Um, and instead it just devolves into this this political thing between Hillary Clinton and the Republicans on the committee. I don't think anybody did the American people any service by allowing this to become

[44:19] political when there are some very important intelligence issues at play here. And you know, I I saw a thing on the news the other day saying that in the years that George W. Bush was was uh uh president, something like 60 attacks, there were 60 attacks around the world against American embassies and consulates, including I forget what, you know, half a dozen or a dozen deaths. And we've never investigated any of those. Maybe we should maybe we should investigate every time there's an attack on a on an American embassy or consulate or anytime American personnel overseas

[44:51] are killed. It shouldn't be political. It shouldn't be partisan. It should be something we're doing so that we can improve the protection of our own facilities and our own people. Yeah. There were half a dozen embassy attacks that weekend. It was demonstrations, but they breached the region. Yeah. So, yeah. Why aren't we why aren't we investigating that? Well, yeah, good question. You know, it's a circus. That's why. Look at Donald Trump. We got We got all of that. It's a circus over there right now, man. That's right. I wish you would torture me. I wish you I

[45:23] can't take any more of this. What do you make of uh we just had this thing in the news just in the past week where this guy this uh Fox News commentator was claiming to be a CIA. What's going on with that, man? You know, it's funny to me. I have run into so many people over the years who claim to be agency, right? And um and you can spot them from a mile away because they they get the lingo wrong. Uh I I interviewed a guy one time. He I was working in the private sector after I left the CIA and I was

[45:54] working um in competitive intelligence, business intelligence. And so this guy applied for a job and and on his resume he said he was a CIA officer. And I thought, "Oh, okay. Well, I'm going to I'm going to take this guy to lunch and uh you know, maybe we have some friends in common. I'll see if he's any good." So I took him to lunch and I said to him, "Listen," I said, "It's it's not clear from your resume whether you were from the Director of Operations or the Director of Intelligence." Uh, so where did you work? And he said, 'Oh, both. I was I was both. And I said, 'Well,

[46:27] that's kind of impossible. You have to be from one or the other. Oh. He says, I was operations. I said, oh, okay. Uh, so where did you work? He said, oh, I was counterterrorism. I said, well, that's great. I was counterterrorism. What division were you in? And he just looked at me with this blank this blank. And I said, you made all this up, didn't you? and he's like, "I'm really sorry. I really need this job." And I said, "Okay, thanks. Nice meeting you." And that was the end of it. So, this guy on Fox News, you know, he said he was a

[46:58] something like outside paramilitary special operations. Well, those are just meaningless words. There is no such position as outside paramilitary special operations. I mean, it it sounds like very woo, very intriguing, and it's it's all these buzzwords, but it but it doesn't mean anything. There is no such position. And so, you know, the first time I heard this guy say, I thought, absolutely no way he's CIA. He may have been a contractor. You know, he may have been inflating what he did, but there's

[47:30] no way this guy was CIA. And then sure enough, he wasn't. Okay. But now, first, how do you get away with that? You know, it's why doesn't the CIA step right away and say, "This guy's not the he's not the real deal." Yeah. He's not the real deal. The the real shame about this whole thing is that apparently this son of a gun was able to trick people at at DoD into giving him a security clearance. Yeah. Just because he told them he had been CIA. This guy went overseas to Afghanistan to advise our

[48:01] generals on strategy because he said he was from the CIA. Well, I can tell you any CIA officer I've ever worked with could peg this guy in 5 seconds and say, "This guy's making the whole thing up." Well, okay. You know, we spend a lot of money to support the CIA, right? Yeah. Do they have TV sets? Do they have cable news? Couldn't they turn on their TV over there and see this guy on TV and say, "Hey, does anybody know this guy?" Yeah. And we all do that, right? Like every once in a while,

[48:33] if I'm flipping through Fox News, I'll see somebody like, well, I won't even say his name, but I'll see somebody I I served with and I'm like, "Oh, hey, he ended up on Fox News. Good for him." Or else I saw I saw a former mine on CNBC and I was like, "Oh, hey, there's Mike. He's on CNBC. Good for Mike." But this guy, I mean, you would think that somebody would say, you know, gez, I'm paramilitary at CIA. I never saw this guy before. Or or even active duty right now, CIA would they must be checking to see what information slipping out through Fox News or through the news. You would think. Yeah. Yeah. You would

[49:03] think I I would have You're You're exactly right. I would have expected somebody at the CIA to call Fox News and say, "Hey, this guy's an impostor." And especially when we know for a fact that the intelligence uh departments have a lot of control over what goes on in the media and the news and movies. Absolutely. Yeah. I got some guys here. I'm working with Pierce Redmond and Tom Secker. They they they get the FOIA records of how the military and the defense department is so involved in the movie industry. It's into such detail you wouldn't believe. Yeah. It's

[49:34] embarrassing even. Yeah. So now, how did this guy get away with this for so long? I I don't know. It's I I hope that this is an anomaly. No, it's not. I hope that somehow, for whatever reason, this guy slipped through the cracks. I will add though that his message on Fox News was always solidly pro-CIA, solidly prodd. And I wonder if people at the CIA did know that he was an impostor, but figured, well, you know, he's saying all the right things, so we're not going to

[50:05] object. Okay. Yeah. Because because I, you know, in my business, I run into a lot of these guys who make these kind of claims. In my business as a PI and also as radio hosts, I run into these crackpots all day long. you know, some of them are radio hosts, and I don't understand how uh they're getting away with this. I worked with a guy in the private sector who I I never met anybody who so desperately wanted to be a CIA officer as this guy. And so, he finally

[50:35] got himself u in as a contractor. And I said to him, "So, what are you doing over there anyway?" And he says, "Well, uh, it's it's it's pretty hush- hush, but it's special intel ops, uh, support, uh, special weapons and tactics." And and I'm like, "Dude, you make yourself sound like a fool." Yeah, because none of those words mean anything. And you get that a lot, especially in Washington. It's pretty sad. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. People, they try and talk his lingo, but you know, it's just the boots on the

[51:06] ground, you know. Exactly. all the buzzwords and the and the catchphrases. Oh man. You know, listen, we're down to like the last nine minutes, you know. What do you want to leave us with? Give us some advice here. Well, one thing that I'm really that I'm really upset about uh since September 11th and and this is something that I I write about a lot and I take very seriously and it's the loss of our civil liberties, the civil liberties of individual Americans in the name of

[51:36] national security. When I first uh joined the CIA, we had several rules that were written in stone. And that was that the CIA did not spy on Americans and that's the NSA did not spy on Americans. And if, for example, if the NSA had accidentally stumbled onto an American or had accidentally um intercepted a telephone call, every trace of that interception had to be purged from NSA's records. And

[52:06] then NSA had to inform Congress, oh my god, we've accidentally intercepted the phone call or the email of an American citizen. Well, now NSA's primary targets are American citizens. NSA just built a a a new facility in the desert in Utah that has enough storage space to save every phone call, every text message, and every email from every American for the next 500 years.

[52:37] We have the CIA droning American citizens overseas, as I said earlier, who have never been charged with a crime, who have never been able to face their accusers in a court of law. And uh and there just doesn't seem to be any outrage over this. If if the the government can kill uh you know, an American citizen overseas, then can the government kill an American citizen, you know, on his ranch in Idaho? I we don't know and the attorney general

[53:07] of the United States at least the the previous one uh Eric Holder wouldn't even answer that question when when asked it by uh Senator Rand Paul. So I'm just seeing a real devolution in our civil liberties and uh I think it's a very u dangerous uh trend. Yeah. And the government whether or not they they they're killing people, you know, off the street and they they definitely are throwing people in prison off the street. Yeah, they sure are. I mean, you can testify firsthand. And I got to tell

[53:38] you, a good number of my guests on this show have been in prison, you know, uh and it just seems to be a recurring uh I got former guests that are in prison right now, you know, for for nonsense. Again, liberty kind of stuff, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Good grief. I'll tell you, I was charged under the Espionage Act because I had a conversation with a with a reporter from the New York Times and I said that we were torturing prisoners. So, that bought me three espionage counts. Um, the Espionage Act was

[54:10] written in 1917 to target German saboturs during the First World War. Between 1917 and 2009, it was used three times. But since Barack Obama became president, it's been used nine times against Americans. Now, none of us none of us have been accused of of passing information to a foreign government, to an enemy. These were all for um information that uh that went to the

[54:41] press. And for several of us, and I'm thinking about, you know, myself and Tom Drake, for example, from NSA and Jeffrey Sterling from CIA, it was after we had either reported through the chain of command or gone public with evidence of waste, fraud, abuse, illegality, or threat to public health or safety. That's the definition of whistleblowing. So, here we are near the end of Barack Obama's uh second uh second term. And I

[55:14] can safely say, I think that Barack Obama is going to go down in history as the enemy of transparency, as the enemy of of whistleblowing and of transparent government. And that's exactly what he said he would not do when elected president. Okay, that's a good question. What do you make of Barack Obama? because a lot of people I've had on this show that have met him, okay, like Cynthy McKenna and Cindy Shehan and others, uh, including a former State Department guy who's a K Street lobbyist right now, okay? Uh, and when I asked

[55:44] them this question, you know, cuz his obviously his paperwork and his background is suspect. He doesn't have the right paperwork, do you make him to be a CIA creation? [Applause] I've been very public with my opinion on this and and I'll tell you what I think has happened. you had a a very junior senator, a very junior firstterm senator who had no exposure to national security, uh no experience in national security at all,

[56:15] that's exactly the kind of young new president the CIA wants because as soon as that new president sees his first blue border report or black border report, something that's so many levels above top secret they can't even keep track, as soon as he's brought into his first super secret operation. They have him hooked and they've essentially recruited him. And I think that that is exactly what happened to Barack Obama. You know, he campaigned

[56:46] as an outsider. He came camp campaigned on the idea of of clean government and transparency. And as soon as they brought him into the club, they had him. There was a book that came out in 2014 by Halpern and Halman uh two reporters uh Time magazine and MSNBC. They had done a report or they had done a book rather on the 2008 election and then they did a follow-up book on the 2012 election. And there were two quotes from Barack Obama in that second book

[57:16] that were really chilling. And Obama had agreed to uh to an interview for the book. So these came right from the horse's mouth. First, he said, "I never told anybody I was a liberal." And I thought that was just fascinating. The second quote was, "I never had any idea I would be so good at killing people." And with that, he was talking about the drone program. And and that tells me that that's not how he went into his

[57:47] presidency. It's how he changed once he became president. That's very interesting. But, uh, I had a guest on here that discussed some of his previous employment and, uh, he described it as a a classic CIA front operation. Yeah. But the CIA doesn't do stuff like that. I mean, they they just that's that's the stuff of movies and fiction books. That's just not how it works. Okay. And and and the history with his parents and stuff like that and their

[58:17] travels and associations with communists and all that. You don't see anything suspect with that either? No, I don't. I mean, you're talking about about a plot that would have begun with with his birth. I mean, I I don't know anybody that's that smart or that's that good to be able to carry out this conspiracy from from the guy's birth all the way to the presidency, like a Manurion candidate. Gotcha. Okay. I I really want to have you back um to to discuss the whole

[58:51] story of Abu Grae, you know, and all that kind of stuff just just specifically to get into all the details on that just uh uh 100% specifically. But once again, what's your your website? Oh, thanks. My website is uh www.jhuryaku.com. It's John Jhn. Kuryaku is k i r i a ko.com. And we got the book Reluctant Spy: My Secret Life in the CIA's War on Terror. Uh but you got a couple other books you're working on too as well. Yeah. Um

[59:22] I've got two books completed that are out for bid right now. One is called Letters from Lorettto. Uh which um is based on a series of blogs that I wrote from prison. And uh the second one or it's the third one, I guess. Um it's more fun. It's it's called Doing Time Like a Spy. How the CIA taught me to survive and thrive in Prison. Okay, listen. You got to promise me you're gonna come back. All right. I'd love to. Thanks for having Hey, man. That's good stuff. We got to get into that. Uh but uh John couldn't stay late tonight. He couldn't give me two hours because his kids are are uh his wife's out of town,

[59:55] so he's babysitting the kids and so he he didn't know he'd be able to give me that much time. But thank you so much for coming on, my friend. Oh, it's my pleasure. Thanks a lot. Good night. Bye-bye. Okay, John Kiryaku. Great guy. Now we have coming up is uh Mr. Bo. Uh we got uh Michael J. Bo coming on. He's going to be talking about that case where he's suing the military about those um those Marines. Uh I I believe they were killed uh because of this whole situation with the these Afghanis

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[1:07:09] uh Oh boy. Try calling again here. And if not, I'll just uh maybe take some phone calls or something. Was really excited about covering this topic with Michael J. Bowie, attorney at law, New York City. I'm a little worried that perhaps uh

[1:07:40] uh he he thought I met 6:00 p p.m. Eastern time, which is why I emailed him a whole bunch of times to try and clarify the time that we would be having. Mr. Michael J. Buoie, your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system. Well, hopefully he'll call back. Okay. And that's too bad because I got a whole bunch of stuff that I want to cover in the after

[1:08:11] show. Well, isn't this just fun? Okay. I guess we'll go straight into the after show. Uh, let me pull up my notes. Well, let's just pretend this is the after show. Okay. And uh I I'm going to start a new format to the after show than what we've been doing previously

[1:08:42] uh for all these many two years. Uh and I'm going to be starting off from now on with an update on Mark Harris. Uh okay, my new best friend. As a matter of fact, good old Mark Harris. Who knows? He could become my roommate. Uh who could become my uh uh what do you call it? like a a TV show like The Odd Couple. You know, we may be doing a reality TV show, me and Mark Harris. People who don't know who Mark Harris is. Uh you can look up uh in our archives on Spreaker and YouTube. Uh I

[1:09:13] did a show with Mark Harris. It's called like Mark Harris. We talk about Trump and uh I forget what else. A gay papa for Trump is what it's called. Now, who Mark Harris is, is a he was a frequent guest on he's a frequent guest on the Howard Stern show seven years ago. His last appearance was seven years ago, but he had a good 10 year stretch as a frequent guest on Howard Stern. A real character. He became famous because he married Martha Ray. I guess he was like in his

[1:09:45] 40s. Yeah, about his 40s or 50s. He was a gay man, but he married Martha Ray, who was like 30 years older than him. And she used to be an actress back in the 40s and stuff like that. And it was a what is it called? The USO troop uh entertainer. And then she did that uh in my time in my life. She became famous because she did the uh a denture commercial about dentures. She would call I'm Martha Ray the big mouth and then my for effort, you know, dental, you know, cream or whatever it was, you

[1:10:15] know. Yeah. Right. And I'm not calling Mark right now. So I I met Mark Gray on Facebook Mark Gray Mark uh Mark uh Harris. I met Mark Harris on Facebook. And uh what happened is uh I saw his picture there and I knew who he was. I'm not calling him right now. I saw his picture. I knew who he was. Gay Papa. You got to look up this song. Look go to YouTube and look up I'm a gay papa. Okay. He sings this song. He made up these crazy words to it. So I see him

[1:10:47] on Facebook. I said, "Let me add this guy on." So I add him on, fine. You know, there's no problems. But then he sees me talking about Trump one night and he decides to start heckling me on Facebook that he's a Trump supporter and all this kind of stuff. We get into this big debate on Facebook. I invite him to come on the show. We were supposed to do one hour, a tight hour. You know how I'm trying to edit these shows on the fly and do all this, you know, so that I can prepare these 1 hour shows. All these stations I got to send all these shows

[1:11:17] all over the place. So I try and edit it during the show while I'm doing it. So I want I need a solid hour from him. I said, "Mark, we're going to do this sharp one hour." You can't get him to answer a question. You can't get it to focus or whatever. He's going on and on about all these crazy stories. You got to look up the show. It's hysterical. And then after the show, you know, he's so excited. It's it's his return to show business. He's got his fans. He's doing all he's all excited. He's doing all this stuff. He's a big Trump supporter. Okay. And he was able to get Trump to uh what do you call it?

[1:11:49] Um retweet a link to his show. Okay. But he's a total character and he has not left me alone one day. He's not given me a day's piece since I met this man. and he's the same person off the air that he is on the air. You know, he's these long stories and and these long emails, you know, and he's a lovable guy. He's very charismatic. He's very likable and uh he's a sweet guy, you know. He really is. As much as who

[1:12:20] knows, God God only knows what's going on in real life with this guy. And you know, God only knows how long it's going to be till I strangle this guy because, you know, it's a very good chance. Uh so this week my adventures with Mark Harris is that uh he contacts me and he's he doesn't know how to copy and paste. Okay. So if you send him a link, he doesn't know how to click on the link. Okay. So what he does is he takes the link and he writes it down longhand

[1:12:51] and then he types it into his uh browser later on. He writes it down and then he types it in later. But he also doesn't know that uh you can type in on his keyboard a front slash. So when he's typing in something, he doesn't put the front slash in. He thinks he could just, you know, skip it and just go on and go on beyond the front slash and then not put it in. Okay, this is what he thinks. So it's it's hysterical. So I try to send him the instructions on how to copy and paste and he doesn't even he Okay, I

[1:19:46] property records and uh um whatever those things are corporations, you know, and you order this information up and sometimes sometimes you have accounts with with companies, you can just do it automatically online and you find all this stuff. You order the paperwork to come in uh uh public records and stuff and you go to these different areas, you find this information, you pull it up and then you get it and you put together the report and you send it back. You know, this that's the fun exciting work of a private investigator that most people think that, oh boy, I'd love to be a private investigator. Oh,

[1:20:17] what? What? Cuz you know, you got to do this kind of work. It's boring, you know. And then you'll also hear people talking about they'll say uh oh I'd make a great private investigator because uh I'm psychic you know and I have intuition. I have a great intuition and I'm great at figuring things out and you and uh they think that that's what a private investigator does. Uh but it it's really not. Okay. It's a lot of mundane humrum stuff. Uh but also too I'm getting back to the situation here again. I have a whole theme when I'm getting out here to you is it's about

[1:20:47] solving people's problems. people coming to me with their problems and I I go in there and I solve their problem. Now, this case started off as an asset search. This PI from New York contacts me, gives me this information, I put the orders out, blah blah blah. When the paperwork starts coming back to me and I'm looking through it to put together my report, I see that I know these people. I know the people that I'm investigating, right? Cuz I a very common name. They were from Staten Island and it was very common name. But then when I saw a couple of businesses they were involved in then right away I

[1:21:18] knew exactly who these people were and people always laugh you know it's this big joke with me is that every guest I have on I know every show I you know they mention name I know oh yeah I know they start talking about Eddie knows everybody right it's a big joke everybody loves to make fun of me okay fine I can put up with your abuse um so I see the names in this report that I'm

[1:21:48] about to prepare that I know them right now. The ethical thing to do, the proper thing to do is to um and now I have to reveal this to the person that hired me. Okay? I have to reveal to them uh that uh I know the subject of the investigation. I have a personal relationship with them. And then he has, you know, which is what I would want, you know, if I hire somebody to investigate and they know the person. And I want to find I want to know that right away. So I contact this guy in New York

[1:22:19] and I says, "Hey, you know, I know these people. In fact, I know them very very well. I know their their family. You know, they I I know this one of these people. I went to high school with them. I know him from from childhood. He has had dinner at my house. I've had dinner at his house. I know his mother. I know his father. You know, I really know these people, you know. So, uh you know, I got to reveal that to him. Oh, by the way, too, all this is off the clock, too. I'm not even getting paid for any of this time now. It's all extra time, you know. Uh it's not a flat fee

[1:22:50] uh job. Now, I'm putting in extra work. So, we we chat about this and you know, and I find out, you know, well, what's this case all about? So, and and I find out it's a it involves a dispute between family members and he's working for an attorney. Okay. So it turns out he mentions the name of the attorney. I know the attorney as well too from Staten Island. So I explain to him I know the attorney as well. Fine. Okay.

[1:23:20] He puts me in touch with the attorney. I talk to him. He's feeling me out too, you know, cuz cuz what happens is too, especially in a small town like Staten Island. Uh like if you if you had a case in Staten Island, you have hire a private investigator and he knows the other people, he could turn on you and work undercover for the other side. Okay, that stuff happens in real life. Okay. For unethical people, you know, but I try and really really avoid any kind of problems or any kind of uh uh questioning of my uh uh honesty and

[1:23:51] integrity. So I talked to him, he explains to me what the problem is and I said to him, "Okay, I know all these people. I know both sides, okay? And they've known me my whole life, okay? And this lawyer knew me my whole life, too. And when I say that kind of thing, I haven't always been in the PI business. I've been in other business. I was in the nightclub business. I was uh in the um other kinds of businesses and stuff. So people know me on Staten Island, have a reputation over there. And I had a

[1:24:23] reputation of having influence with these people. So we all agreed I was going to try to negotiate a settlement with all these family members and solve the situation. So I went in again. I'm still off the clock. Okay. We agreed I was going to go in there and try to give this a shot. So, I did I I was able to contact first, you know, because you can pretty much find anybody and I had a lot of information. I I was able to contact the kid I went to high school with, you know, and and

[1:24:54] the problems was with his uncles and his parents and stuff like that. And I I was able to contact him first. And then he put me in touch with his dad and they put me in touch with the uncle. And I was able to to negotiate a fair settlement between all these parties and solve their problems without causing them a ton of money uh going through court and going through litigation and and causing all this uh animosity and hatred within the family. I was able to take this situation and solve that problem in a way that no one had dreamed

[1:25:25] would be possible at the time when this family hired this lawyer and he hired this investigator to do the litig the preparation for the litigation and and he hired me to do this asset search. Okay. And and that's pretty much how I live my life. Okay, as far as my business life in the in the PI world, you know, I get mixed up in these frequent cases, you know, and uh things kind of take on a life of their own and then next thing you know, I'm I'm preparing an exhibit for congressional investigation. You know,

[1:25:55] people ask me, "How do you get involved in this stuff?" And that's kind of how these things happen. I I also use this uh this kind of leads into my interviewing style with these guests, okay? Which which so I bring that PI experience to to the radio show and how I interview these guests.

[1:26:26] And uh in the past couple of months, we've had this this thing where people are saying, "Well, Ed, you're not asking tough questions." Okay. Uh you you got to understand I've interviewed thousands of people as a private investigator and my job is to get a statement from them. Okay? It's not really to to get them to say what I want them to say. Um, and some people your idea of asking

[1:26:56] a tough question is not asking a tough question. It's asking a rude question or an angry question or an insulting question, which if you do that in any interview, whether it's as a private investigator or on the radio, all you're going to do is you're putting you're building up walls and defenses. Uh, you're you're the person you're interviewing is going to put up a wall and be defensive and he's going to shut down and maybe just hang up on me. This is, you know, this is long distance. It's not like I'm sitting in somebody's office or somebody's home interviewing them. You know, you can kind of, you know, you don't get, you know, they kick

[1:27:27] you out, you don't get up. You just sit there and keep talking. You know, it's not like that. You know, this is I'm not pissing anybody. Uh this is a if there's a difference between I do ask tus tough questions and I would invite you to go back to the interview with um uh the FBI director Richard Lambert who was in charge of the anthrax investigation and this guy's an attorney. This guy's also an investigator. He's interviewed many many people. Okay. Uh, and

[1:27:59] um, if you listen to him when I was interviewing him, this this guy didn't there was a lot of things he didn't want to answer. And if you listen to him, I boxed him in, okay? When you hear me giving these long questions like last week with Vince Font, and uh, I say to him, uh, okay, Vince, you know, your guy there, he's out in the woods for 30 days. He hasn't combed his hair, he hasn't brushed his teeth, he has no toilet paper, he hasn't washed his hands or his face. You know, they may he may you say he's eating and then drinking from the the streams and stuff like

[1:28:29] that, but you're trying to tell me that when he got out of there, he hitchhikes and someone picks him up. Okay. You know, Vince Fon's a nice guy, but uh even he couldn't say, "Hey, you're right. That sounds, you know, kind of winky. What happened there?" You know, so there's a way to ask these questions without screaming at the person uh and u being rude to them, okay? Because we want to get a statement from them. and we want to get them on the record and that's what my role is here. And I would invite you to go back to listen to the Richard Lampard

[1:29:00] interview and if you hear him when I'm boxing now I'm I was working that night guys, okay? And if you listen to the interview, I'm boxing him in. This guy's an attorney and I'm boxing him in with these questions and he's going, okay, because he knows I'm boxing him in and he knows these are tough questions. So there's a lot of difference between asking asking tough questions. And I think a lot of people can see what I'm doing, okay? And uh and not uh and just asking angry questions and yelling at people uh which you're

[1:29:31] not going to get here. I have no I'm not out to make the whole world agree with me and make the whole world uh agree with my opinions. Okay. Now, we're going to take a commercial break. And when I get back from this commercial break, the the reason why I'm bringing all this up about my PI career and my my my problem solving uh abilities is cuz I need you all to to come together with me and help me to solve a huge problem

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[1:38:49] broke up, got back together again, all this kind of stuff, right? So, she has these two kids and uh her daughter, and by the way, too, these two kids were the love of my life. I love these kids. You know, these were the first real kids that I raised. You know, everybody knows about my relationship with my daughter. I've had a lot of girlfriends with kids. I raised a lot of kids in my life. I took in a a runaway kid off the street and when I first got saved, let him stay with me. Uh just, you know, raised a whole bunch of kids. I

[1:39:20] was a uh what do you call it? The assistant youth pastor at our church in Staten Island. So, but I I I love this woman's kids. I was very close to them and we still are close. Uh but her daughter became uh an addict, a drug addict, and she became addicted to uh first methamphetamine and now heroin. So uh she was addicted so bad that uh my friend got custody of her

[1:39:52] daughter and you know she'd gotten clean, she'd gotten off it, you know, rehab rehab since she was 15 years old, you know, over and over, you know. And uh now she's really bad on on heroin right now. And uh while she was pregnant, you know, she had this little baby, Nicholas, and I guess she was on heroin and meth and stuff like that when she gave birth. So he was a an ultra preey.

[1:40:25] and uh foster care or CPS or whoever these people are go into the hospital and they take custody of this little baby Nicholas and they tell her, "Well, you can't have this baby and they put the baby into foster care." I I need you guys to really pay attention to this because this this is a miracle baby. This is not your average story. when this little baby was in foster

[1:40:55] care, there was something going on. My friend knew that something he wasn't growing right. He wasn't things weren't right in this foster home. And what ultimately happened was is that the foster father killed himself and murdered a foster baby little girl that was Nicholas's little foster sister. practically in the same crib. They were lying, you know, for whatever reason,

[1:41:26] this guy killed himself and he killed a little baby girl and he didn't kill Nicholas. So, whatever happened with that, God only knows. But this little baby was spared, you know, and uh oh my god, I met him the first time. Uh it was about a year ago when Victoria remember when Victoria was going out on her first date with that boy and uh you know we needed a a woman

[1:42:00] to you know teach her how to do her makeup and do her hair and stuff like that for this little date you know little boy Gonzalo. I hardly even spoke English before little Mexican kid that she befriended you know. So I took Victoria over to my friend's house and she did her makeup. you know, I did way too much makeup and stuff like that. I would look terrible, but you know, we left, you know, being nice. And so, while they were up there doing the makeup and the hair and stuff like that, I was downstairs taking care of little baby Nicholas who was survived, you know, a

[1:42:32] murder of his uh his uh sister. I've had a lot of babies, you know, a lot of kids around me and stuff like that. And um he was a year old, couldn't crawl, couldn't sit up, couldn't sit up by himself, you know, wasn't talking, but he has this little smile. There's a picture of him on my Facebook, and I'll have a picture of him up on the blog. Okay, he's doing a lot better now. He's about two years old now. He's running around. He walks. I only seen I

[1:43:03] haven't seen him in person. I only see him in pictures. This week he's been diagnosed with cranio. Okay. So, he's going to need brain surgery now. Something about the brain doesn't detach from the skull or something. I don't even know what this is. Okay, guys. The story's not over. This

[1:43:35] doesn't get better. The mother is raising a six-year-old sister. She's raising the granddaughter. Now she's raising this little boy here and he needs constant medical attention, constant medical uh appointments. Uh plus just regular baby stuff, just regular trying to take care of a baby and to raise two little kids when you're our age. You know, the kind of lives we've

[1:44:07] lived, this woman has no car. This woman has no income. She's living with her mother or her mother's social security and her mother's retirement money. You know, this family has no help. No one is helping them. I talked to by by the way my friend won't come on the show because he's afraid of CPS is because because CPS is covering up this murder suicide

[1:44:40] with this other kid you know trying to say that there was nothing suspicious or weird going on here. So I can't say her name on the air. She won't come on the air. She's afraid to come on. She's afraid to do a GoFundMe. We had a little GoFundMe going on there for a little while, but she's afraid to ask for help because we know what

[1:45:13] happens, you know, when when you become an enemy of CPS. whatever little assistance they're getting, a food stamp card or whatever it is, is nothing compared to the help that they need. Okay, like I said, they have no car. They they live in Vegas, you need a car no matter what. They live all the way out northwest, you know, where there's nothing out there. I don't even know why anybody moves there.

[1:45:48] There has to be uh some kind of sanity in this situation where we have all this money to these stupid Benghazi hearings, $5 million for that to to you know the wars all over the place. We could do all this stuff. Throw people in jail, court trials. We're throwing this guy my free guys. We're throwing him in prison for three years. Court trials and go after him. But here we have a situation where a

[1:46:18] little baby is a miracle baby man fighter man. He's surviving. How's he doing it? You know sister's killed right next to him. But this kid survived and but and this family needs help. Now I don't know. There is no fundraiser. This is what I'm trying to tell you. I can't even tell you to send money. I don't know where to send money to. I don't know what to do with if the solution but the solution is not just raising money. They need local help here in Nevada, in Las Vegas. They need volunteers to come out to their home and

[1:46:49] help them give them rides, to help them with to clean their home, to cook meals, to to change diapers, this kind of stuff, you know. And there's all these groups, man, you know, with the with the the anti-abortion groups and, you know, you know, there must

[1:47:21] be some resource out there for this family. Okay, that I cannot think of any people more worthy of our help and our prayers u and and government resources. God forbid that the government would step in and help these people instead of being afraid of the government. So this is my frustration, okay? When I wake up every day, I get phone calls from people in

[1:47:53] trouble. you know, hopefully they can they can afford to hire me, you know, and then I can come up with a plan to try and solve their problems and get them out of trouble. Okay? So, the hurdle number one is first they got to be able to pay me and then then then I come up with a plan. The plan's either going to work or it's not going to work. Okay? But we're we got to do something, right? You got to try. The frustration I have here right now is here I have a problem that's on my heart. Seriously, in a major way. And this family needs help. They are deserving of

[1:48:23] help. And I know people, man, I know that I can tell you about some people, right? I know this woman. She has these three kids. I don't know what the kids have. It's a cerebal pausy or something like that. I don't know what it is, but these are functioning kids, man. These they go to school. They're in the church choir. They're all, you know, these are high functioning kids. She gets, I think, $1,500 for every one of these kids every month. Plus, she gets someone comes in and folds her laundry. This woman doesn't even do anything. Her mother takes care of these kids. She's running off on vacation all over the place. There's people out there gaming the system, you know, and when here's this

[1:48:54] other family seriously needs help right away. Now, they got some kind of uh food stamps. I know they have that. Who knows what else to get, but the you know, the the the pittance, you know. Uh, so it I I'm getting a lot of messages in in the chat room uh people saying uh you know what's the address? Where do we mail money to? Do we got this? We

[1:49:27] have to we have to come up with a plan. We need an an organizing committee here to come up with a plan for this family to really raise money for them to go to Finley Dodge and Finley Toyota, these big car dealerships and uh these big charity organizations, you know, and and volunteers and and get uh you know, volunteers to come and help. One one thing I have in mind, sorry. One thing I have in mind

[1:49:58] here, do we still have dead air or can you hear me? Uh, one thing I have in mind is that uh Vic and her uh youth groups, these church youth groups can make a project of of going over there and taking turns and helping to babysit and help to change diapers and help to do laundry and that kind of stuff because that's what they seriously need. Um, I hope I'm not frozen up here. And uh, okay, good. You can't hear me. Okay,

[1:50:30] so that's the baby Nicholas situation. Okay. And, uh, we are going to need funds, you know. Well, we are going to need to raise money, but what we really need to do is it's is to come up with a a like a Ronald McDonald House or something like that. You know, we we need like a real thing here to come in here and swoop in because I'm telling you, I'm doing this show tonight without a guest to to describe this Nicholas situation because the grandmother who's

[1:51:03] raising these kids doesn't have time to to eat, to make a sandwich, to take a shower, to to function in life. She doesn't have time to sit on and when she does get on the phone, she's lost her voice. She can't even talk. Okay, this is a dire drastic situation, guys, that uh is beyond my abilities to solve. Now, I know I've come on here before and I've talked about problems, okay? I came on with my my divorce stuff, my custody stuff, but let's take a look back at that. I solved that

[1:51:33] problem, okay? You know, we could not have come out of that any better than than we have, okay? You know, I I took care of that problem, guys. You know, so I I can solve problems. uh you know we did that all right and thank you all for praying for me and helping all the help you know guys helping out thank you all okay and we have some steps ahead of this we're going to get rid of that judge we're going to put a new judge in okay coming up next election so I'm very frustrated about this cuz I you know what am I going to do I got to work on

[1:52:04] this show right I got you know cuz people the memberships are dropping off like crazy all right uh we got a huge show coming up this weekend with these two big guests and hopefully the members section will will pick back up again. Oh, by the way, too, I'll give you guys a deal, too. If you want to sign up with a member, a yearly membership, I'll do it for 60 bucks, okay? Just put in a PayPal and then send me an email and I I'll give you a year subscription. Okay? That's not that's savings of 15 bucks. Okay? I only need about three or four of those to get through the week.

[1:52:36] But yeah, right. We need a long-term plan in here. I need people to help me to contact all these churches in the area cuz all these churches have youth groups. They all have little teenage girl youth groups that would this is perfect for them. There's all these groups about these anti-abortion groups, you know, that that help women not to get abortions, you know, and they're all loving them and helping them. Okay. Well, now we have a situation after, you know, now we have a baby that's born. Okay. You love that baby and a fetus. Here's one for you now. That's a cute kid, too. You can talk to him. You can play with him. So, we need these groups.

[1:53:07] So, I need people to help me to contact these uh um uh no, I need you to help contact local churches in our neighborhood here and these Save the Children type groups or Ronald McDonald House, whatever you can do. Okay? We're not going to come up with a solution to this right now tonight live on the air, but you can start emailing me if you're if you're interested in volunteering and working for this kid. And when you see his picture, he's an adorable kid. Okay? We're going to need your help with this.

[1:53:37] All right, guys. And um well, I guess we'll set up a GoFundMe without telling her, but I would really appreciate if someone else was in control of the money and all that stuff like that and wasn't me and I wasn't co-mingling with my PayPal account with the business here and with the radio show cuz it's just not good. Okay. So, that's the situation and and and I'm trying to to explain to you. I hope I I made myself clear that that's why I

[1:54:08] brought up the whole thing about me solving problems as a PI and you know, my experience and and how now I I need your help to solve this problem because I know that I can't do this on my own. Okay? And really, it's the most important thing I'm dealing with in my life right now. uh you know these are people I love these people I care for care for all of them you know long history with these people and um so I'm reaching out to you the audience here to help us out with this

[1:54:39] and uh to email me at operanreportgmail.com if uh you know you can help contact charities and stuff like that see I I'm I can't believe that we wouldn't be able to go to a big automobile dealership like Finley Dodge or Finley Toyota and explain to them what the problem is here. You know, I'll give them press. I'll give them free ads on the show and then they donate a car, you know, and uh

[1:55:09] merry maids, you know, or or some kind of maid service, you know, that wouldn't chip in and, you know, help out, you know, once a month, you know. So anyway, that's the situation with baby Nicholas. This kid's a miracle. And uh and like I said, there's a lot of people out there that uh that do get help and uh maybe don't deserve it. And uh here's these people that that really really do

[1:55:40] deserve it. Now, you know what? If we want to take if anybody wants to call in with ideas or suggestions about how to help baby Nicholas, uh, give me a call real quick. 7026054894. Okay. Let's see here. All right. Okay. I got your message, Jessica. I'll give you the address. Okay. Relax. You don't have to contact me. You can email me tomorrow. Give me the address tomorrow. Do you need it tonight? What do you got? What

[1:56:11] do you got? 24-hour post office episode there. Hey guys, I love you guys. Okay, the the radio audience, you guys have no idea how great you people are uh and how funny you are. It's just crazy. And we're all the same kind of people. It's amazing. We're all the same kind of people. Uh because, you know, we pick up a lot of new stations every week. And so, uh you know, new listeners who never heard the show before. Uh but it's always the same kind of personality, the same kind of

[1:56:42] attitude. Uh you know, uh real scrappy kind of fighters, you know, who don't want to take no for an answer and uh you know, love these kind of stories. They want to see justice. You know, I tell you another funny thing, too, is uh this is really crazy is with the Twitter because we had um I used to have an old Twitter account for my business. It was called email revealer. So, I used that for the the show. But six, seven months ago, we set up a new Twitter account called Operan Report

[1:57:13] just for the show, for people listen to the show. And we set that up and uh so now it's all brand new people, only people that that come to me from the show. So there's only like 185 something like that. There's like 85 people on there, 90 people, right? But if you go on there, they're everyone, all my Twitter friends, okay, they're either ex CIA agents, they're ex they're exconvicts. I got the guy, you know, Christopher Boyce, the Falcon of the Snowman. He's I'm tweeting back and forth to him the other day. It was like, you know, my my Twitter, it's like a uh

[1:57:47] the Star Wars bar, you know, something crazy like that. I got the craziest people. They're all pretty famous people, too, man. A lot of really cool people in my Twitter, man, let me tell you. So, we're we're creating a great community on there with a bunch of uh renegade exmugglers and ex CIA agents and uh excons, you know. Ah, my god. Okay, we're down to about two minutes. Um, and then we're going to do an after show, I guess, right? Who cares? I'll

[1:58:17] just keep talking here till I drop dead and then maybe my insurance policy can go to little baby Nicholas. I want to say good night to the guys over at Wake at Awake. Um, there seems to be a little shakeup going on over there right now. Uh, one of the guys who's been running things, uh, is retiring. Uh, Allan, God bless you, man. We love you. Thank you for all your help. And, uh, a lot of people getting burnt out over at Wake Radio. So, if you tune in normally to a Wake Radio and it's not there in a couple weeks, just come

[1:58:47] looking for me. I'm all over the place. Uh, just Google uh, Operan Report. I want to say good night to uh uh Angel over at PSN. Uh sorry, I went over a couple weeks ago on the time. Uh so next week, uh I think I don't I don't know if I have guest booked for next week or not, but we got a lot of big stuff coming up. You know that. Uh same at bat time, same bat channel. All right, guys. Good night over at Awake and good night. No, no, good night at PSN. We're saying good night to you. U and we'll see you next

[1:59:19] week. And uh rest of you guys, I'm going to play a commercial and then we'll restart the uh the show. The restart the speaker. Um so everybody who was in speaker right now, we're going to restart because I never give up. I never stop. Okay. Oh boy. Word from our sponsor.
