Title: Greek Spies, Epstein, Aliens, CIA
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2026-02-10
URL: https://youtu.be/ZwuKmPsXKPs
Duration: 11:00

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[00:00] All right. Well, so let's Should we do any more of these or should we just get to the questions? >> Can I can I do just I I'm probably the only person who's interested in this, but I I've given I I gave I should say two uh interviews over the weekend to Greek outlets. Um a Greek uh colonel assigned to NATO was arrested and and charged with espionage for spying for China. This is highly highly unusual in Greece. >> Not that somebody's been arrested for espionage. That happens quite frequently. It's almost always spying

[00:31] for the Russians. What's unusual is that this was the Chinese. >> Um there is very little there there was very little evidence when I was still in the game that the Russians I'm sorry that the Chinese gave two shits about NATO. They didn't care about NATO. Now apparently they care very much about NATO because they were trying to intercept NATO's communications and to decrypt it. This guy, he's a colonel and as I said he immediately confessed. He said that he took an undisclosed trip to China a year ago. The Chinese recruited

[01:02] him there. They've they were giving him 5,000 to 15,000 for every classified document he brought out. He communicated with them on a separate cell phone, completely unencrypted, terrible trade craft. Nothing was done clandestinely, just right out in the open. And um this guy's going to spend much of the rest of his life in prison. >> Wow. Anyway, it brings the Chinese into into an espionage story in Europe where they otherwise haven't been before. >> So, we're going to see more of this, >> I think. So, yeah.

[01:33] >> Um well, before we move on, um some speaking of Europe, a couple of top ranking European officials are dropping like flies due to the EP their Epstein connections. >> That's right. >> In France and in, uh Belgium. >> Um what do you know, any thoughts? Um, yeah, I think that this is going to start to spread. And ironically, the United States appears to be the only place where nobody's taking these Epstein revelations seriously. I said this last week, I'm going to say it again as I pull this little piece of lint off my sweater that I can't seem to

[02:03] get a hold of. But, uh, I said last week, this could bring down the, uh, the Kirst government. Now there there are two different pieces of evidence indicating that former Prince Andrew and Peter Mandelson both gave um both gave Epstein classified documents from the British Ministry of Defense. If so, that would be a violation of this the um Official Secrets Act, >> which in in the United States would be a

[02:35] violation of the Espionage Act. uh they're far tougher than we are uh with these these violations, these classified document violations. And not only is Peter Manderson likely going to prison, but this could be enough to cause backbenchers in the Labor Party to force a vote on leadership. It could be the end of Kier Starmer in the next couple of weeks. >> It does kind of feel like that. Um yeah, he has the smell he has the smell of the of the Liz Trust cabbage on him. >> I I was going to say the same thing. He

[03:06] He's lasted slightly longer than the cabbage, but not much. >> No. Um, wow. And uh Yeah. And I mean, and I guess now it's official. We're never going to see the other half of the Epstein files. >> I don't know, man. I mean, people I I I spent a good bit of the last week going through the Epstein files, and I found several John Brennan related documents that I'm going to try to make some hay over, but um I don't know, man. Three three million documents. It's people are still going through them and there are

[03:37] millions left. I mean, the guy was like the guy never got off email. >> It's incredible. But another thing too, Ted, even though the statute of limitations has expired for just about every crime committed against the the victims, uh, the child victims here in the United States, um, that's not to say that the people who were engaged with Epstein and the people committing those crimes shouldn't be publicly shamed, that they shouldn't be ruined, you know, like Peter Mandelen,

[04:08] who's of course a UK national, but you know, the the general counsel for for Goldman Sachs and all these billionaire businessmen who thought it was perfectly okay to associate with a child rapist. They need to be called to account. >> Illuminous Katar, thanks for the 20 Australian dollars. How will the current release of the files impact the USIsraeli relationship with it now seeming more obvious it was a Mossad honeypot operation. >> Totally. >> Wondering if you could talk more about your experience in Israel.

[04:40] Yeah, it was totally an Israeli honeypot uh operation and I don't think anything is going to change. Nothing. I mean, how I've been out there shouting from the rooftops that the Israelis, you know, spy on us. Uh Alan Dersowitz calls me names and the the Israeli foreign minister's political director called me a noted anti-semite because of it. And it's true. They're still out there spying on us. Question for both of us from Pink Lady.

[05:11] Do we believe what Steven Greer has said about the government hiding evidence about aliens? John, can you send me a signed photo of yourself before you're too famous? >> Sure, of course. I I have to find one. Uh what was the first part of the question? >> Um Steven Greer, Aliens. >> Uh yeah. Um people have asked me that over the years. Um, I don't know to tell you the truth. I mean, if there is evidence, it's being tightly held at the

[05:41] Pentagon, but uh I honestly >> What do you think about those um like 5 years ago when the US Air Force released those um videos of uh UFOs? >> Mhm. There was one that was leaked uh in September that is dramatic. It's it's two uh F-18s uh following a UFO, an orb, a silver orb off the coast of Yemen, and they're talking about it back and forth. The camera never leaves the orb. And they're given permission to fire at it. It was a

[06:14] Hellfire missile, Sidewinder missile, one or the other. And you see the missile hit the thing and the missile just bounces off and the orb just changes direction by by 90 degrees and just keeps flying. Incredible. >> I mean, look, there's definitely evidence. Is there proof? There's not proof, but there's evidence. >> Somebody asked if at the CIA uh we we viewed our recruited sources as traitors and held them in contempt.

[06:45] >> That's an interesting question. And the answer is absolutely not. You know, we really really believed that we were the good guys. >> And so if we were able to recruit somebody and make them one of the good guys, we were all one big happy family. There were there were a couple of sources that I recruited who in normal life I would not be friends with, right? We would not we would not have had contact. They were scumbags. In one case they were he was a killer like a just a coldblooded

[07:16] stone cold killer. Um but seven of the nine people that I recruited over the years I would love to be friendly with them. I >> don't So you didn't have that sense of like sort of like, you know, like the person who has an affair with a married person and then they they're like, well, you know, they could they could do this to me too someday, right? I mean, you didn't have that sort of >> Oh, sure. Sure. And that's what vetting is all about. So, you know, you've got to polygraph them. You have to what we

[07:47] call operationally test them. I I'll tell you I there was this one source that I had who I really really liked and because he was from an enemy country, he was recruited under under special circumstances. Well, he was so reliable, I wanted to move him over to normal circumstances. It's a paperwork exercise. And as part of that paperwork exercise, I had to operationally test him. So I I put a large surveillance team on him as he left his place of work

[08:17] and uh and they followed him to the meeting site and the the head of the security the head of the surveillance team kept calling me saying he's doing this, he's doing that, he's doing this, he's doing that. At one point he got in a taxi, um had the taxi just pull over on the side of a of a an eight lane highway and then he ran across all eight lanes, climbed over the median, got in the cab on the other side and went the opposite direction and then got on the subway and came to the meeting. It was a

[08:48] terrific, it was very very provocative in terms of of you know the surveillance detection route. So when he got there, I knew exactly what he had done, but I said, "Did you do a surveillance detection route on your way here?" And he said, "Yeah." I said, "Okay, walk me through it and tell me what you did." And he told me like to to a move exactly what he did. And we were able to move him straight into the Yes, we can trust him camp. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If he doesn't get run over. >> I've actually run into sources twice. uh

[09:20] once at at an airport and uh and once on the street and it was you know years well in one case it was it was four years after I left the agency in the other case it was you know 20 years after I left the agency. >> Can you just nod or can you say hi? >> They came up to me. I wasn't really paying attention and they came up to me and it was big bear hugs and oh my god how are you doing? And one guy said I can't believe YOU SPEAK ENGLISH. I can't believe it.

[09:52] >> That's funny. He didn't know. Um Josh Buck, are there people still actually working on tracking and removing spies in the United States? Is it possible to achieve? Will we ever be free from foreign control? >> So, the the FBI's counterintelligence division, that's literally all they do is to try to root out spies and to remove them or prosecute them. Um, it's an ongoing never-ending job because more and more spies are coming here every

[10:22] day. There are more spies in Washington DC than anywhere else in the world. And um it's not possible to to win to root them all out. Unless you want to be North Korea, >> it's whack-a-ole. >> It's whack-a-ole. Yeah. >> Bicycle Pro 1212345. Uh, thanks for the uh $8 donation. Um, ever do spy work with the Aussies? would be interested in knowing what you thought about our intel service if you ever did. >> Um I I never did anything operationally

[10:53] with the Australians. Um I briefed them a number of times. We have you know they're five eyes countries so it they they're literally sitting there in the building. Um they their primary focus is as you might expect is China and that was never my thing. So worked in proximity with them but almost never directly. They're quite good. They're quite a good service. Very good service.
