Title: CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou — 'They Physically Removed My Stomach'
Show: Giorgos Omirou
Date: 2026-06-01
URL: https://youtu.be/CAmAja1Rly0
Duration: 34:52

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[00:00] And they made two little cuts. You can see them. Just the smallest little cuts. And he took my stomach out. >> I'm joined here with Mr. John Geriago. Very nice to meet you. >> My pleasure to meet you. >> I will get straight to the point. How did you lose the weight? What is the best and worst weight loss advice you have ever heard? >> The worst weight loss advice I ever heard was to cut fat and cholesterol.

[00:33] >> The worst? >> The worst. The worst. Protein's good. Carbohydrates are bad, especially refined sugar. But the sugar lobby in the United States is so powerful that for decades they convinced us that fat was the enemy. >> Can I challenge you on this opinion? >> Sure. >> So, I agree with your point that big companies want to make more money as every company. >> Sure. >> So, they try to make their foods as

[01:06] palatable as possible. That's a strategy we like it or not. Every company try to do that. Let's give you an example. You said about protein that that is good. Nowadays, protein is a trend. So, every major company put make a high protein product. Like let's take chocolate high protein chocolates high protein Do they want us healthy because you said protein is good. I agree with that. No, because people want

[01:37] this so they can make more money >> Yes. >> out of this. >> Yes. >> I don't I don't disagree. You're right. >> I don't think their motive is to make us They want to make us consume more, but their target is to make us Yes, money. 100%. Okay, so this is >> on the one side. On the other side, about cholesterol, fats, etc. Long-term human

[02:08] randomized clinical trials, yes, tend to point us that saturated fats are bad, not >> Yes, of course. >> Not every fat like let's take olive oil. We have plenty. >> Mono-mono-mono, yeah. >> Monounsaturated, polyunsaturated. >> Yes, they're good good fats. >> So we agree that saturated fat is the is the enemy. >> Yes. >> Total cholesterol, it depends. The we have some people that they respond highly to too much cholesterol because they produce more themselves. So okay,

[02:39] it depends on the but the harmful fats are the saturated fats. On the other side for carbs, there is a common argument that people tend to make that okay, carbs are bad because they raise insulin. Insulin makes carbohydrates stored as fat. Yes. Okay, that's a mechanism but we are not 1 + 1 = 2. We have more that contribute to our metabolism. Believe it or not, we we know so much

[03:11] about metabolism but it's so little at the same time and the problem seems to be that people overeat calories. The average American, if I'm not mistaken, consume 3,500 calories daily. That's the problem. >> Yes, it is. >> Not the one thing itself. >> Yes. But if you're my age, carbs are the the enemy. >> Why? >> Because I'm not going to get the exercise that I that my body probably needs. My metabolism has slowed

[03:43] over the years. I'm not going to burn off those calories and and carbs are going to be stored as fat. >> Okay, you say cal- calories are different from carbs. >> Yeah. >> Carbs is a macronutrient. And the I I agree with you on the calories. You should see the total calories. Also, don't forget that we have carbs that are rich in fiber >> Yes, of course. Of course. Of course. >> So >> Yeah. >> in my not in my opinion I'm not going to say to my opinion you should

[04:15] watch your overall calories if it fits your macros. Okay? And find something that is sustainable for life. That's the hard part that me people tend to miss. Like if you say to me right now, George, look, I cut out carbs and I lost the weight this way. Go and say to you, good. Good if it works for you. Okay, good. Do it. That's why I I'm asking your way. >> Well, I'll tell you what happened. I when I

[04:46] left the CIA you get a lot of exercise as a CIA officer. A lot. When I left the CIA, I got a desk job and I put on weight. And I decided I really have to go on a diet. But I didn't know really the best way to diet. So I went to a nutritionist. At the same time I was diagnosed with diabetes, type 2 diabetes. So the nutritionist put me on a diet. It was 2,000 calories a day. It was up to 200 carbs, up to 20 g of saturated fat,

[05:20] and as much protein as I wanted so long as I kept within the calories and the saturated fat. So I cut out like lamb and most beef, not not all the beef, but I ate much more turkey and chicken. And and uh tofu. Although tofu gives you man boobs, now they're telling us. >> That's not true also. >> Good. Thank you. >> Okay. >> I I only just read that. >> And we have a recent meta-analysis that proves that soy does not >> Good. Because I eat a lot of soy and I don't want to grow man boobs. >> 100%.

[05:50] >> So, um it took me a year, and I lost uh 70 lb, 32 kilos. >> Congratulations. That's really >> Thank you. Yeah, it worked. It was It was hard. But then with the diabetes, it it slowed my metabolism dramatically, and little by little I put the weight back on. So, in 20 21, my diabetes was bad enough that the doctor put me on insulin.

[06:21] I was on the maximum dosage of every diabetes medication that is available. Plus four shots of of uh insulin a day, five on the on the weekends. >> [snorts] >> And um and I ballooned. Uh fatter than I've ever been in my life. So, I went back to the doctor, and I said, "I don't know what's happening to me. I'm not eating very much at all." And he said, "I'll tell you exactly what it is. When you started on the insulin, it brought your

[06:53] metabolism almost to a stop. And that's why you can't burn the fat. I'm going to send you an article to read. I want you to read it, and then come back and we'll talk about it." So, he sends me this article from The Lancet, the British uh the British uh medical journal. And it was written by a Scottish surgeon. And the Scottish surgeon wrote that he was treating a woman with stomach cancer. And she also had uncontrolled diabetes. My diabetes was uncontrolled. My A1C was

[07:26] 12.1. It's supposed to be between four and six. So, she had cancer in her stomach. They took her stomach out, and within 24 hours her pancreas started to produce insulin again. And so, he talked to other surgeons and they said, "Yes, actually, I had the same experience. I had a patient with uncontrolled diabetes, we removed the stomach and the pancreas started to work again." So,

[07:56] I called this surgeon in Scotland. I made an appointment to speak with him. And he told me, "It works. We don't know why it works. We don't yet fully understand the human body, but it works. And there's almost no downside, no side effects." So, I said, "Well, is there anybody in the United States that's doing this surgery?" He said, "Yeah, there's a surgeon in New York." So, I called the surgeon in New York. And he said the same thing. He said, "We don't

[08:27] understand why it works, but it works." I said, "Is this Are we talking about like a bypass or a a sleeve or duodenal switch?" He said, "No, those don't work." He said, "The stomach has to physically come out. It's called a uh bariectomy." I said, "Is there anybody in Washington that's doing this surgery?" He said, "Yeah, there's one surgeon in Arlington, Virginia." I said, "I live in Arlington, Virginia." He said, "His name is Dr. Jihad Salama from Lebanon." So, I called

[08:57] Dr. Salama. I go to see him and he says, "The problem is this is an experimental surgery, so insurance doesn't cover it." I said, "How much does it cost?" He said, "$17,000 with two nights in the hospital." I said, "I don't have $17,000." So, I borrowed it. Went to the bank, I took out a loan for $17,000. I gave him the $17,000. And in September of 2022,

[09:28] I went in. I laid on the table, they put me to sleep. He sat over here with the robot, the toggles for the robot, and they made two little cuts. You can see them. Just the smallest little cuts. And he took my stomach out. I had to I ate no solid food. I had only clear liquids for 10 days. So, I was completely empty, and um

[09:59] my stomach had shrunk. So, he they cut it, pulled it out, and then they made a pouch out of my intestine that holds a quarter of a cup, just enough to fit in the palm of your hand, and then he sewed me up. So, I I had only liquids for another week after that, and then I started eating pudding, puree, soups, you know, things like that. But, in the next 9 months, I lost 55 kilos, and I kept all of it off.

[10:31] >> Congratulations. >> And the most important thing is I don't have diabetes anymore. My A1C is normal. Everything's normal. >> Can I point something? I First of all, congratulations. It's very important >> life-saving. >> Congratulations. Really, I know it's very hard. I know it's very very very hard. And you also go have to go through that. Uh some food for thought, you lost the

[11:01] weight you didn't gain the weight due to diabetes. It's reverse. >> It was Well, in the In the beginning In the beginning, I I I got fat, and that led to diabetes. The second round was the diabetes made me fat again. >> That's what I'm going to say. It's not usually true. >> No, you're right. It's not usually true. But, in my case, it was just because of

[11:32] what it did to my metabolism. >> Uh >> do you think that your overall calories changed like when after you did the surgery? Most probably, you started eating more carefully. You reduce your calories due to that. >> Oh no, you're exactly right about that. Um I will tell you that Yeah, I I I'm Greek. I love arni, right? Who doesn't? And I just can't eat it anymore. It's too it's too heavy, too dense, too fatty. As soon as I eat it, I

[12:03] throw up. I I I'm one of the 5% who get this surgery that that did have side effects. So, I had to have two follow-up surgeries. Um The The first one, I almost bled to death internally. I spent 8 days in the hospital in uh January of last year. The first few days after the surgery, I would throw up a lot. And I thought, well, that's normal. I just had this trauma to my body. They took out my stomach. I'm throwing up.

[12:35] That's just the way it's going to be. I I happened to mention to the doctor, a year and a half after the surgery. He said, "Are you throwing up a lot?" And I said, "Every day." He said, "Really?" I said, "Yep, every single day." He said, "That's not normal. You should have stopped throwing up a week or 2 weeks after the surgery, not 18 months. You're still throwing up." And um they did my blood test I have to do blood tests all the time. Um and he determined that I was actually malnourished.

[13:06] So, he said, "You have to eat more, but there's a reason why you're throwing up." He said, "I want to take a look do the scope endoscopy." So, I went in. He did an endoscopy. He said, "You have a lot of scar tissue. I need to I needed to cut it out." So, he cut it out while he was down there. And uh I said, "Okay." I felt fine. I I didn't even have to spend the night in the hospital. I was in there for 4 hours and then they let me go. And then I went to Greece with my son. And I started throwing up again.

[13:38] And so I got home. There was one Saturday I was home like 2 days from Greece. There was one Saturday I worked from 10:00 in the morning to 10:00 at night. And then I was tired. I went to bed at 10:00. At 2:00 in the morning I woke up and I was sweating. And that happens sometimes now because my blood sugar goes too low rather than to be too high. So I

[14:09] thought, "Mhm. I must be having a low blood sugar incident." I don't remember going downstairs. But a half an hour later I woke up and I was laying on the floor of the kitchen. And I thought, "Shit, something's happening to me. I hope I'm not having a heart attack." So I tried to get up and I fainted again. And another half hour passed. >> [clears throat] >> And I woke up again laying on the floor.

[14:41] I live with two guys who rent rooms in my house. And I started shouting, "Help! Help!" Finally, one of them wakes up. It's 3:00 in the morning now. He comes down. He said, "What happened to you?" I said, "I don't know, but every time I try to get up I I pass out again." So he wakes up the other guy. And together they pick me up. I said, "Just get me onto the couch." So they put me on the couch and I'm laying there. And I laid there for like another hour. And then I said They gave me a Coca-Cola, full sugar.

[15:14] And I didn't get any better from all that sugar. And I said, "This must not be >> Hypoglycemic. >> Hypoglycemia. I I don't know what's happening to me. And so I said, "Do me one more favor." I said, "Just help me get back into bed. I'll sleep this off, whatever it is." What terrible decision that is. I said, "Just get me into bed." As soon as they lifted me up, I passed out again. And then they called an ambulance. So the ambulance comes

[15:45] and they pick me up and they put me in a chair and then they carry the chair to the ambulance and they take me to the hospital. So I get to the hospital and all I remember is the doctor shouting my name. Can you hear me, John? Can you hear me? And I said, "Yes." And he says, "We're taking you right into surgery, okay?" Surgery for what? I just said, "Okay." And then when I woke up, it was 10:00 in the morning. The doctor was there standing at the foot of the bed and I said, "What happened to me?"

[16:17] And he said, "You had a massive blood clot sitting on top of a massive ulcer right at the surgical site." And he said, "When I came in, my blood pressure was 80 over 52. 50 is death. So I just made it." He said, "One more hour it would have been too late." So I said, "What did you do?" He said, "We We removed the blood clot.

[16:49] We sewed up the ulcer." He said, "It was giant, like that big." And he said, "You were bleeding to death internally." He said something funny. He said, "Didn't you realize that you were bleeding? Like you didn't notice it when you went to the bathroom?" I said, "To tell you the truth, I love ouzo and so I eat black licorice all the time and so it's always black." He's like, "You got to stop doing that."

[17:20] >> I stopped. I never ate licorice again. So, I felt it happening again in August. I woke up in the middle of the night and my girlfriend said, "Are you okay?" And I said, "It's happening again. I can feel it." And she's like, "Oh my god, let's get to the hospital." So, we drove to the hospital. They admitted me straight into surgery. When you get to be my age, you know, I was always used to sitting in the hospital for 6 hours waiting for them to call your name. When you're my

[17:51] age now, straight into the surgery. No waiting, no nothing. So, I went straight in and they said, "Oh, you have a blood clot." So, afterwards I saw the surgeon, Dr. Solomon. He said, "You're one of those 5% that this has led to blood clots." >> Oh my god. >> So, I said, "Well, you know what? I would rather deal with blood clots and be skinny than to be fat and diabetic." So, now I take a blood thinner and everything's good. Knock on wood. >> Thanks God, first of all, and uh

[18:22] I it's very unfortunate you have to go through that. >> Yeah. >> Really. Moving forward to other questions. >> I like to describe myself politically as a member of the libertarian left. Some libertarians will tell you there is no such thing as the libertarian left, that the libertarian movement by its nature is a right-wing movement. I disagree strongly.

[18:52] Although I walk a fine line. So, in the in the United States, libertarianism is an ideology of self-sufficiency. I don't need anything from the government. I take care of myself, right? But at the same time, that means I hate the police. I hate the military. I hate the intelligence services. Any libertarian would say this. Um, and that's seen as very conservative. Self-sufficiency.

[19:24] I don't hate the military or the intelligence services. I do hate the police cuz they're all [ __ ] >> Okay. >> But, um But, I also believe in what's called a social safety net. I believe that we should take care of old people. I believe that we should take care of poor people. I believe that we should welcome refugees and immigrants. Um Most libertarians don't agree with that. But, I also believe that what Ronald Reagan said in 1984 was correct. He

[19:56] said, "The problem is I I'm sorry. He said, "Government is the problem, not the solution to the problem." And I believe that that's right. It is the problem. Government is corrupt. By its nature, it's corrupt. You know, in the United States, we like to think that we are so much better than everybody else. We're smarter than everybody else. We're more honest than everybody else. We're more forward-thinking than everybody else. And that's just not true. Corruption is a terrible problem in the

[20:28] United States. Terrible. We're not better than everybody else. Besides the fact that we are constantly invading countries, bombing countries, overthrowing governments. What's that all about? There are only three ways that you can go into another country. Three legal ways to go into another country. With the approval of the United Nations Security Council. At the invitation of that other country. Or if that other country attacks you first.

[20:58] We never meet any of those three criteria. Ah, we want to overthrow Venezuela? No problem. We just go in. we kidnap the president, we overthrow the government. We don't like Iran's politics, no problem. We're just going to bomb them. We don't like Saddam Hussein, we're going to overthrow him and invade and occupy his country. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan, we're going to push them out, but we're also going to overthrow the Afghan government and we're going to occupy that for 20 years.

[21:29] That's None of that is legal. >> So, you changed your opinion because you are appearing to say that you always thought >> We were the good guys. >> You are the good guys. >> Yeah. >> Is that It's brainwashed, basically inside world, and everyone thinks that they >> Americans are >> Most Americans are. >> Yeah. >> What was your last meal before sentencing, and what was your first meal after? >> They were the same meal. >> Really? >> [laughter] >> My my now ex-wife

[22:02] makes the most delicious Japanese yellow curry from scratch with cubes of pork, potato, carrot, celery, peas over rice. >> Sounds delicious. >> loved it. >> Delicious. >> [laughter] >> I want to try that. I have never tried the >> It's fantastic. >> What is something crazy you did with your diet during operations? Like, let's

[22:34] say where are days when you didn't eat anything at all? >> Yeah. Yeah, there were days. >> Days? >> There were days when I didn't eat anything at all. At one time, we were doing an operation, I knew it was going to be 14 hours before I could I could This is going to sound stupid, and because you're a nutrition professional, you're going to yell at me. I knew I wasn't going to have any food at all for 14 hours. And the only thing that was available to me was a big container of mango juice.

[23:06] So, I bought the mango juice. >> Better than that, nothing than that. >> Better than nothing. Pure sugar. But, that's I would just sip it over the course of 14 hours and it kept me from being hungry the whole time. >> Yeah, again, better than nothing. Really, it's uh Okay, very interesting. What would a CIA agent never order at a restaurant like during operations? >> Seafood, but especially shellfish. Because it's so common to get sick from

[23:38] shellfish. And if you get E. coli or Giardia or Shigella from shellfish and you're flat on your back and you're [ __ ] yourself and you have a fever and you can't participate in the operation, you're no good to anybody. >> What is your favorite Cypriot food? >> You know, it's going to sound silly. I've been eating for the last 10 days only Cypriot food. And you I don't want to eat or whatever because you can get

[24:09] them everywhere. I have to say the cheeses in Cyprus are so much more sophisticated than the cheeses in Greece. >> Really? >> So much more sophisticated, so much more subtle. You know? Like in Greece, of course, everybody has feta at every meal and we have kasseri, we have kefalotyri, kefalograviera, all these different cheeses. But most of them are variations on each other. >> Mhm. >> Here, and I have no idea why this is the case.

[24:40] Here, each cheese stands independently by itself. This one is very nutty. This one tastes like pine. This one you can put with meli. This one, halloumi, is, you know, the the flagship of all the cheeses. Every cheese is completely independent of every other cheese. And so I've eaten 20 different kinds of Cypriot cheese this week. I I will add one thing about halloumi. My kids love halloumi. We all do. But only

[25:11] until 5 years ago, you couldn't buy it in the United States except at a specialty cheese shop or Whole Foods. And Whole Foods is very expensive. We Sometimes the Greek store would have it. Usually not cuz dirty little secret, most of the Greek stores are not owned by Greeks. They're owned by Egyptians. >> Yes. >> So they sneak in these Egyptian products. Yeah. >> So only 5 years ago I started finding halloumi at the grocery store. Now it's

[25:42] everywhere. So now I buy it all the time. The halloumi here in Cyprus is saltier than American halloumi. I prefer the Cypriot one. >> Super. >> Um but but these other cheeses, it's been a revelation to me. It's the best. >> You talk about halloumi but I thought you were were going to talk about sheftalia, let's say or >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Well, sheftalia, I had sheftalia on Tuesday. >> Okay. >> And it was great. But the cheeses, it's like, oh my god,

[26:14] it's these cheeses and >> stand out. >> Yeah. >> So tzatziki or tirokafteri? >> Definitely tzatziki. >> Gyros or souvlaki? >> Gyros. >> Feta or halloumi? >> I'm going to have to say halloumi. >> Thank you for that. Freddo espresso or freddo cappuccino? >> Cappuccino. >> Freddo cappuccino or freddo >> Freddo freddo cappuccino. I'll tell you why. Because I love coffee so much, I drink so much coffee every day, all day

[26:47] that you just get more if the if they add the gala for the cappuccino. >> Okay. >> So, I just feel like I'm getting more coffee that way. >> I think it's the worst coffee that ever existed and people know me for that and let me tell you why. You get a freddo cappuccino, you put the straw, right? I usually wake up, want to drink my coffee immediately to get that caffeine going. When you drink a freddo cappuccino with a straw, you you drink a freddo espresso, not the

[27:19] other sits on the top. >> I don't want to drink it. >> Okay, that's the only right way. Okay. >> Plus another thing, they do this in Cyprus and they do it in Greece, too. The straw is too small. >> [laughter] >> You can't get anything out of that. So, you know, you can try to mix it around, but you're right, you're going to get the the espresso and then it's just foam and milk on the top. So, I don't use the straw. >> Okay, I have a beef with freddo cappuccino. I usually say, "Why? Why?" I don't want to wait 10 minutes to melt

[27:50] from the milk to melt the >> I'll tell you another thing. When I was in Rhodes with my son last last year. We met my cousin Christo uh for coffee in the morning and he says to me, I was having a frappe, which I always get. Frappe metrio. >> Yes. >> Not for breakfast, but later in the day. And he says, "Why Why do you drink this shit?" he says. I said, "Why? Frappedes are good." And he said, "It's Nescafe. It's [ __ ] coffee." He said, "Get a freddo espresso

[28:21] or freddo cappuccino." I was like, "All right. All right." So, I did. And I thought, "Now, he's right. This is better. It's higher quality coffee. They grind the beans. It's not coming from a can of of Nescafe." He was right. >> And fun fact, instant coffee and the fresh ground coffee have not exactly the same, but similar health effects. They don't differ >> Really? >> Really. >> So, it doesn't lose any of the

[28:51] >> The antioxidant also the heart protecting nutrients. >> Right. >> Uh I also finding finding this out I was like I don't know way, but we have plenty of research so >> And I will say I do pay attention to coffee research. I do. Whenever there's a new study, I make sure to go through the whole study. >> Great research. The health benefits of cold And another fun fact, most US people get mostly their antioxidants from coffee.

[29:22] >> Because we don't eat berries and acai and >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> So dumb. >> But it's something at least at least. So, something more interesting. What is one life lesson you wish you knew at my age that you had to learn the hard way? >> That you can't trust anybody. anybody. I allowed myself to trust one person. And that was the person that betrayed me.

[29:53] They tell you at the CIA, "Don't trust anybody. Don't even trust me." Yeah, I should have listened. >> My dad always says this to me and I don't really listen to him. I tend to trust people. >> Yeah, I do too. >> I I think I I'm selfish person. I think, "Oh, I know him. He won't." I know him. I I get the vibes and I stand on the vibes. I see the vibes, but >> Uh-huh. >> Hearing that from you it's >> Yeah, it's a shame. I hate to say it.

[30:24] It's a shame, but that's a hard lesson that I learned. >> Thanks for that. So, can you tell us a story you've never shared before due to its unsettling details? >> You know, I actually can't. And I'll tell you what I'll tell you why. The stories that I tell The The reason that I repeat many of the stories that I tell is because those are the stories that have been declassified. >> Mhm. >> So, I'll write a book. I've written nine books. I write a book and then I have to send it to the CIA for clearance. And

[30:55] then they'll black out things that are classified. And then I have to say, "No, I want to challenge what you blacked out here. It shouldn't be classified for these reasons." Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. But, everything that they've finally approved I've already told. >> Okay. That's a great answer. >> But, I I I'll tell you a joke. >> Okay. >> It's a joke that the director of the Ethniki Ypiresia Pliroforion, the Greek Intelligence Service, told me. >> Okay.

[31:26] >> He said that there was >> Great accent, Greek also. >> Hey, thank you. >> Sorry for interrupting. >> He There was a There was a Russian intelligence officer, an American intelligence officer, and a Greek intelligence officer. And they all went out together. And they're drinking. And the Russian says, "We have a bomb that is so big it can blow up an entire city." And the American says, "We have a bomb that's so big

[31:56] we can blow up an entire region." And the Greek says, "My boot so is so big >> [laughter] >> that 10 birds can land on it side by side." And they keep drinking, drinking, drinking, and they get really drunk. And the Russian says, "You know what? We don't really have a bomb that's so big to blow up a whole city." And the American says, "We don't have We don't have a bomb that's so big to blow up an entire region."

[32:28] And then the Greek says, "When the 10th bird lands, he usually asks to go >> [laughter] >> like this." >> That's [laughter] a good one. >> I thought that was a good one. >> That's a great one. >> And the last thing that I I saw the clips, not all of them of course, but many clips and people tend to say down the comments that based on how you tell your stories, you don't

[32:59] have PTSD, but rather a sense of nostalgia. Is that true? [laughter] >> What a terrible thing to say. >> [laughter] >> Um >> [clears throat] >> Sure. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, I do. >> Explain. >> I do. I I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed my career. 9/11 turned everybody into stone-cold murderers. I hate to say that. A friend of mine posted on Facebook the other day that his brother-in-law just got out of prison. He said, "My brother-in-law was

[33:30] 20 years in prison for a murder. I'm I met a murderer," he said. I said, "Try working at the CIA for 15 years when you're the only person who's not a murderer." You know? >> Yes. >> After 9/11 I was I was leaving for for the airport to go to Pakistan. I went into the office to say goodbye because, you know, we didn't know. Am I going to come home? I hope I can come home. I don't know. I mean, two of my colleagues didn't come home.

[34:02] Or they couldn't came home in a box. So, I went to say goodbye to everybody and my boss gives me this big hug and he says, "Be careful. Be careful." I said, "I'm going to be careful." He He served in Greece for years, so he says to me, "The matia sou theka," he says. American guy, but his Greek was absolutely perfect. He says, "The matia sou theka." I said, "Thank you, John." And then as he's hugging me, he whispers to me, "Kill them all." And I said, "Really?" "We've already gotten there?

[34:34] And he says kill them all. I thought about that the whole way to the to the airport. Like oh man. >> Thanks John. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Thank you John. >> Thank you. Good to talk to you. >> Pleasure to meet you. >> The pleasure is all mine. Thank you.
