Title: How Epstein Was Used by Mossad, CIA & MI6
Show: Redacted
Date: 2026-02-08
URL: https://youtu.be/FUGHG0Yy6BA
Duration: 16:00

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[00:00] How exactly did Epstein operate as an intelligence asset for the CIA, Mossad, MI6, SBU, all of them quite honestly? How does this work exactly? Well, if you listen to the Zionist controlled media, they are now bending over backwards to paint Epstein as a Russian intelligence asset, ignoring all of the other connections. Here is Barry Weiss's CBS News. Watch. Poland says it's looking into possible connections between convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and Russian intelligence services. The

[00:30] announcement came after the US Justice Department last week released millions more files related to the federal investigation into Epstein. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said to Tuesday, quote, "More and more leads, more and more information, and more and more commentary in the global press all relate to the suspicion that this unprecedented pedophilia scandal was co-organized by Russian intelligence services about any links between." >> By the way, by the way, I love how CBS News, you don't even know that the Polish the leader, I'm sorry, the the leader is named Tusk, but okay, Tusk.

[01:02] Anyway, um, how does all of how does all this come together? John Kiyaku is a CIA whistleblower. Of course, the Obama administration went after him big time and uh as he was trying to expose everything that the Obama administration was doing. John, welcome back to the show. Great to see you as always. >> Thank you. Great to see you. Thanks for having me. Well, I want to we have a lot to talk about here and I know Natalie wants to unpack specifically like the KGB side of this in a second, but I want to first kind of start off and understand like the mechanics if you

[01:33] could maybe helping us understand how exactly would because people are saying, "Oh, he's MSAD or he's CIA." And I think you have said to us in the past that he's probably just an asset associated or in alignment with them. How does how exactly does that work? How exactly did it work for him, do you believe? Well, I've been I'm proud to say I've been consistent that from the beginning I said that I thought he was what was called an access agent most likely for the Mossad. An access agent is somebody who can give you access to people that

[02:04] you're really interested in. It's not necessarily going to be Jeffrey Epstein that has access to classified uh information, but Peter Mandlesson certainly does and Bill Clinton does and the former Prince Andrew certainly did. and maybe you get some business uh information, business secrets or economic secrets from the likes of Bill Gates. So, I think that Jeffrey Epstein was was probably recruited by the Israelis to provide access to the targets that the Israelis were really interested in. But with that said, an

[02:34] access agent is somebody who also can still be a free agent. And so if the FBI has a question and maybe you can you can establish a quidd proquo with the FBI, maybe you answer the FBI's question or the CIA or the MI6 or MI5 or the French or whomever because you want to bank those uh those favors and uh maybe have some goodwill down the line in case you get jammed up. He got jammed up and he didn't have anybody to help him. Can I just follow up on that real quick? Which

[03:05] is one of the big questions that Congressman Thomas Massie wanted. He he he told me earlier in the week he said that among the missing things that they demanded as part of the Epstein transparency act was the name of the person or persons who were responsible for giving him such a lenient sentence in 2007208. Would that be intelligence related? Do you believe? >> I think it's 100% intelligence related. Alex Aosta has said, Alex Aosta, the former uh secretary of labor, who at the time was the US attorney who prosecuted

[03:36] Jeffrey Epstein, said that uh the order to give Epstein a sweetheart sentence came from the top. And when asked why, all he said was intelligence. So make of that what you will. But then you have to think, who has authority over a US attorney? Well, frankly, the only person who has authority, direct authority over a US attorney is uh is the attorney general. At the time, that was um Alberto Gonzalez. Alberto Gonzalez, God bless him, was a lightweight. It

[04:07] wasn't up to Alberto Gonzalez. So, who was above Alberto Gonzalez? It was the president and the vice president. So, what do we make of that? Was it George W. Bush that ordered this? If so, why? Was it Dick Cheney? If so, why? But I think we have a right to know. What if that sore throat or fever that hit you overnight didn't actually have to cancel your family trip or miss work or waste hours at an urgent care? Instead, you could actually just open your medical emergency kit from the wellness company, match your symptoms to the doctor

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[05:40] set aside the fact that the KGB has been dissolved since the '9s and Epstein was doing most of his work in the 2000s. Uh, the way Daryl Cooper explained it on Tucker Tucker Carlson I I thought was great because he could move between governments if if Mossad That's right. You know, wanted an introduction to somebody in the KGB. Then you have these shadow actors that can act as a liaison. That's what uh Robert Maxwell in fact did. >> That's right. So, can you extrapolate on that role and are there people still

[06:11] doing it? >> Oh, I think that is exactly correct. I think that that he really has has nailed it. You know, the Israelis I'm I'm going to get threats from the Israelis again. Every time I say something like this, I get threats, but I'm going to say it again anyway. The Israelis are free agents. The Israelis are not necessarily our friends. they are when it suits them. But when it suits them to be friendly with the Russians, they go with the Russians or with the Chinese or the Germans or, you know, anybody. It doesn't make any difference. The

[06:42] Israelis do what's best for the Israelis. And if that means using a a source like like Jeffrey Epstein and and passing information on to a hostile intelligence service, or at least one that's hostile to the United States, that's exactly what they're going to do. I got into a spirited debate with Alan Dersowitz about this on the Pierce Morgan show a few weeks ago and I thought the man was going to have a stroke when I said that Jeffrey Epstein was most likely working on behalf of the Israelis. And then he said something that was completely backward. He said

[07:12] that he had been Epstein's uh attorney and if Epstein had been working for the Israelis he would have told Durowitz and Dersuits would have used that information to get Epstein an even lighter sentence. And I said, "Wait a minute, professor. If you're saying that you would have gone to the White House to say, "My client is committing espionage for the Israeli government," you think that would have gotten him a lighter sentence? I think he would have been hanging from a tree, >> right? Gone from there.

[07:42] >> Yeah. He would have been put in prison for the rest of his life or put to death. >> Exactly. >> Well, that's how it's supposed to work. We're we're seeing that it doesn't right now. you can meet with former Israeli or former US traders and >> yeah Jonathan Pard well Jonathan Pard got he did every day of his 30 years of course he's you know he's a hero in Israel now and he's running for the Knesset but but he did every single day of his 30 years >> oh good point good point >> now and then now he gets to hang out with Ambassador Mike Huckabe who is apparently friends with him so that's how it works

[08:12] >> VIP treatment in the American embassy >> unbelievable um so the mechanics of this I'm just still trying to wrap my head around like Jeffrey Epstein's just like sitting there in his in his sex layer or whatever and he just like gets a, you know, gets some like a phone call. He gets like a pager. Come meet me in the park. We want you to do this. You know, shake shake this hand cuz the other hand is shaking it back. Like what does that look like for somebody like Jeffrey Epstein? >> Well, if Jeffrey Epste were treated as a

[08:43] normal source, then the answer is yes. You get a you get a phone call saying, "Hey, how was how's your mom doing?" And the answer is, "My mom is feeling much better. Thank you." And that means, "Meet me at the parking lot of the yacht club at 2:00 in the morning. You You have this all set up in advance." And then he goes and uh and does his meeting and gets his marching orders. >> And so there wouldn't be an email trail here, right, John? I guess that's >> Oh, no, no, no. There would never be an

[09:13] email trail. This is all done verbally or just using signals. You remember during uh during Watergate, uh would would uh react to Bob Woodward putting an American flag in a flower pot on his apartment balcony. That triggered a meeting that night at 9:00 in a parking garage in Rosland, the Rosland neighborhood of Arlington, Virginia. So, all of this is always set up in advance. So, you never have to actually put anything in writing or say,

[09:44] "Meet me at 8:00." >> So, okay, that is covert. It's done by Signals, but all the sex stuff was overt and written out and in writing. So, okay. >> Yeah, good point. >> Explain that to me and then can you please or just take an opinion because I don't think you're doing that. I don't think you can personally explain it. And then also, I would like to know how you think this >> international spy espionage relates to

[10:16] this demonic sex predator. Are they related or is it just that one allowed the other or did one actually give leverage for the other because or are they unrelated? >> Yeah. No, that that's a great question and a very important one and I think that they were two issues running parallel with one another. I think that the Israelis or whomever uh was the recruiter of Jeffrey Epstein said this guy has a major vulnerability and his

[10:47] vulnerability is that he's a pedophile. Uh we can use that to our advantage. He can get us information. We'll continue to supply him with money. uh and we'll just turn a blind eye to his pedophilia. So they they were able to identify that vulnerability, that hook in order to to hook him and reel him in. And then they just let him do his thing with with girls and uh and uh important world leaders and just let the cards fall

[11:19] where they fell. >> How much of it do you think was a honeypot operation? You know, I think it probably became a honeypot operation. You know, I'm I'm wondering, you you have to figure this was going on for decades. And I'm wondering if if any intelligence service, even one as good as the Israelis, was able to see so far in advance that they could turn this into a honeypot. I mean, of course, it's it's obvious by the late 1990s or the early

[11:51] 2000s that's exactly what it is. that you can entrap as many of of these movers and shakers as you possibly want to. Look at Peter Mandelon. You know, I've been thinking about this all day today. Peter Mandlesson, the former British ambassador to the United States, the the the member until earlier this week of the h the House of Lords. He's in so deep now after lying and lying and lying that he barely knew Jeffrey Epstein. He's in so deep that this risks collapsing the British

[12:23] government. There were calls by members of the Labor Party today for the Labor Prime Minister Kier Starmer to resign because he had been so easily duped by Peter Mandlesson. So the stakes are very very high here. This is really serious. >> Giving him state secrets. Yeah. Funneling state secrets to Jeffrey Epstein. Like I mean that's treason. I don't know how he avoids prison at this point. I mean, I >> and and the laws the state uh the state secrecy act law in the UK is far far

[12:53] tougher than the espionage act is here in the United States. >> Wow. >> Peter Manosen could find himself spending the rest of his natural life in prison. >> Oh my gosh. >> I guess John, we'll get you out of here on that. I'm just curious from your perspective, having worked at the CIA, blowing the whistle at the CIA, when you're seeing all these documents and you're a guest on our show and we're specifically talking about the intelligence side. Is there something you think that like people are missing that people haven't looked at more closely? Something that's been like keeping you up at night or ringing your hands that you think people need to pay

[13:24] attention to? >> You know, one of one of the things that bothers me very much is that the more important people become in their lives, the more we as a society are willing to cut them slack. >> And we shouldn't do that. People are people and people are sexual beings. God knows what's in their hearts. God knows what they do behind closed doors. And so nobody should be given the benefit of the doubt in crimes where children are the victims.

[13:54] >> Right. I I just got upset because Roger Stone was on the show and he said absolutely Trump didn't do anything and I said, "Well, these documents, you know, are not favorable. Did somebody look into them?" because I don't have any kind of preconceived notion whether Trump is innocent or guilty. I would like to see proof. I would like to see them be transparent with us. And now that we have more allegations, a valid question is anybody follow up on that? Is there any anything there? Anybody new? >> Right. And so far how so I I I take your

[14:28] answer to be nobody is above scrutiny especially because our jobs as the adults of the world is to protect children. >> That is it right there. I have five children of my own and if this had happened to one of them, I'm not sure I could control myself. >> John Wick level. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> John Wick. >> I mean I mean guess we What about Trump? I mean there's a lot of going back and forth here on this, right? Um, you have >> Yeah. You know, if if I were Donald Trump and I were confident in my innocence, I would just release

[14:59] everything. >> Just release it. >> Yeah. Release it and put it to bed. >> Alex Jones was saying, you know, he was saying, look, the the big the big rub here for Trump is that he waited so long to release it. And that if if he if he releases everything that he'll be absolved of everything. >> So, if that's the case, then release it all. Why are you continue to insult insult reporters like Caitlyn? I mean, I don't have any love for whatever any of these reporters from CNN, but like like just release everything then so no one has to ask any questions. Like what is

[15:29] there to hide? If you're so innocent, release everything. >> That's exactly right. I I just don't understand why it has taken this long and it's not even done yet. >> Right. >> No, he's shooting himself in the foot if he's truly truly truly innocent. >> Well, John, it's so good to talk to you. You run cover for nobody. >> Pleasure. >> Yeah. No. >> Yeah. We don't do that. >> The show. Thanks for having me. We love you. >> Thank you, John. Always great to uh John, tell people where people can find Tell people where people can find your show. >> Oh, thanks. I've got three actually. I've got uh Deep Program every day

[16:01] Monday through Friday at 9:00 a.m. on both YouTube and Rumble. I have Deep Focus, which drops uh twice a week on YouTube. And on Apple Podcasts, I have John Kiryaku's Dead Drop, What Makes a Spy Tick. [snorts] >> All right, >> John. Great to see you as always. Thanks so much for taking time. >> Pleasure. Thanks. Thank you.
