Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-09-22
URL: https://youtu.be/XJPxC4mXVkM
Duration: 67:00

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[00:00] Good afternoon and happy Monday. Thanks for joining us. You're watching DProgram with Ted R and John Kiryaku. Thanks for being here. >> How are you, Ted? >> I have no idea if my camera is new and improved. I just installed it while we were doing the countdown, but we shall see. Uh, so if anybody has any feedback, positive or negative, please let me know. Uh, I was told it would improve my fuzziness. >> It looks good, actually. >> It does. Yeah, it looks good. >> Okay, >> now I'm on I'm on my phone because I

[00:33] stupidly left my laptop across town, but on my phone it looks crystal clear. >> Well, you look good, you know, on your phone. So, sometimes you look worse on your laptop. So, >> yeah, >> who can tell, right? So, lots to talk about today. Um, just as we uh open the show, just the ABC just broke the news that uh free speech hero and lion is Jimmy Kimmel, the bravest social commentator in American history, is returning to the airwaves tomorrow

[01:04] night. Woohoo. Uh, no, seriously, I was against what happened to him. Um, and uh, but you know, we don't really know. We don't really know what the discussions were between them. Um, you know, we can speculate on that, but anyway, that just happened. Uh, obviously the big news of the day and the week is the UN General Assembly here in New York City. Uh, basically everyone's recognizing Palestine. All the cool kids, the not cool kids, everybody is. And the Israelis are freaking out and so is the United

[01:35] States. Uh, the US is now thinking of the Trump administration is considering blanket sanctions against the internationalbody. It's like, >> yeah, it's against >> they're the ones who are supposed to impose sanctions on you. >> Yeah. >> Hey, Ted, did you happen to catch Marco Rubio's uh comments to the media uh after the declaration of um of normalization of relations with the Palestinians this morning? He was trying to be as threatening as he could be and

[02:06] he was utterly unconvincing. He said things like like he warned these other countries that this was only going to make the situation worse for Palestinians and if they wanted to make things better for Palestinians then they shouldn't recognize Palestine. And it's like buddy how much worse could it possibly get? like you are utterly completely totally unconvincing and it was obvious that this is just what Netanyahu told him to tell the

[02:38] press >> that no Israelis are the thing is John the Israelis are now threatening to annex the entire West Bank like later this week. >> Yeah. You know what? Nobody gives a [ __ ] anymore >> because nobody's going to recognize that anyway. >> Well, that's true. And the Israelis are going to do what the Israelis are going to do. >> Exactly. and they've had plenty of time to act decently and we know they're not. So obviously we have to break down the situation in the in Palestine. Um Tom Holman uh he's uh it cames out that

[03:09] basically it was like a I had John I had like an abscam flashback. Uh he literally took a bag a gunny sack of $50,000 uh last fall before he was elected anything before he was appointed anything. Um, but basically he knew he was going to be uh the you the uh deportation zar for Trump if he was elected if Trump got elected and he was already accepting bribes ahead of time. You have to assume that I mean of course

[03:39] it was a sting operation but you you have to assume that this guy is greedy as hell. I mean dirty as hell. >> Yeah. >> And there's the H-1B situation. um which I'm really I'm going to say here I I come not to condemn Trump but to praise him uh on this matter. So we could talk about that too. Um and there's Kimmel and there's other stuff and there's always the questions from our brilliant watchers. So what do you think John? What should we do first? >> You know I I would really like to um address this Holman situation first if

[04:11] you don't mind. >> Oh yeah please. >> Because like you I was reminded immediately of ABSCAM. Now, for those of our of our viewers who don't remember ABS scam, this took place in 1981 where FBI agents dressed up like Arab shakes and bribed a US senator and several members of the House of Representatives. Of course, it was a sting operation. Some of them went to prison. All of them ended up being

[04:41] heaved out of Congress. Uh but the message was that bribery is wrong, wrong, wrong. and you should not do it. So now here we have Tom Holman who's the head of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and he's taking literally he's taking a sack full of money as a bribe. It's caught on camera because it's a sting operation >> and President Trump said, "Oh, he didn't do anything wrong. Leave him alone."

[05:13] They're not asking that that he resign. >> And in fact, the president said today his job is perfectly safe and he will not permit the Justice Department to file charges. We're in the Twilight Zone. Ted, there was another thing that's similar that's parallel. Uh, you know, Donald Trump has been saying for for weeks, months, that he wants to prosecute Leticia James and everybody

[05:44] else, whoever did him wrong. Well, last week, the US attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, which is the Espionage Court, uh, resigned under pressure from Trump. Trump now today named a loyal Justice Department official to be the new US attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. and he has ordered her to prosecute Leticia James in EDVA. She can't Leticia James is not accused of having

[06:14] committed a crime in the Eastern District of Virginia. There is no connection to the venue. They can't do it. But Trump said on Truth Social last night that he has ordered the Justice Department to begin uh to begin uh going after arresting and prosecuting his political enemies. He came right out and said it >> on True Social. >> And so we're in uncharted waters right now. We don't know where this is going to go, if anywhere. And Congress hasn't said anything. Nobody has the guts in Congress to say anything. And then

[06:46] today, the Supreme Court ruled that Trump is allowed to fire the last remaining Democrat on the Federal Trade Commission. So all that does is it gives the Republicans a very temporary win. And it's a little incremental win. But what the Supreme Court has done is they've essentially said when the Democrats win the White House, which they will, they can fire all the Republicans and put yes men in all of their positions. So nice country our

[07:17] leaders are giving us these days. >> Well, assuming you're assuming the Democrats would even have the balls to inflict retribution, which there's very little evidence of that. I mean, you know, I mean, I I just, but I kind of I mean, they won't. They might, but I mean, you're right. They can, and they would be tempted to, and there will certainly be that discussion. I mean, >> yeah. I mean, the Tom Holman thing is disgusting. I mean, he was caught unacceptable. >> Dead to rights. Um, he's dirty. He's

[07:49] corrupt. I'm not saying he should definitely go to jail. Uh, you know, I don't think they could convict him. um you know because he wasn't holding office at the time. So you know I mean I can give you $50,000 if I want. You're a private citizen. Why not? But I mean so it's like a pre-bribe, a proto bribe. But I mean but like we know but I mean I would say it basically at the moment that he took the that he that he decided to I guess he sworn in to his duties as uh you know the ISIS that he should have

[08:21] been he should have told you know the his bosses hey I gota this happened I should give this back right. >> Right. >> I mean you would think I mean that's what you or I would do. >> Sure. Well I wouldn't have taken the money in the first No. And if you're going to take a bribe, you know, just like we always used to say at the CIA, if you're going to steal, don't steal $20. >> Steal $2 million. If you're going to take a bribe and you're going to risk not just your career and your reputation, but your freedom, don't take 50,000 measly dollars.

[08:51] >> Totally. >> Millions of dollars. >> No, for sure. I mean, these these guys I mean, that's you know, my ex-wife used to always say that about congressmen who would be caught with like a $3,000 bribe. She would be like, "They're not just [ __ ] They're like crack [ __ ] They're cheap as shit." You know, you can buy them off for nothing. I mean, it's it's almost worse than the fact that they're dirty is that they don't they'll sell out their their civic virtue for for nothing for pennies on the dollar. Disgusting. Um I mean, well, okay, I hesitate to ask this, John, but

[09:24] Tom's Tom Hullman's gonna survive this, right? Because the boss doesn't care. >> No, I'm afraid he is. If if you don't have a president who's going to put his foot down and demand that you resign, if you have a a a an attorney general who will refuse to prosecute you or refuse to allow you to be prosecuted, then yeah, you've you've got no problems. But then at the same time, see how many pegs we fall on the United Nations um uh corruption list for next year.

[09:54] >> All right, questions. Import most importantly, Rey Clovis is at his secret undisclosed location. He'll be back tomorrow. Um, okay. So, uh, Stephen Victor Andrews outraged at how a low-rated TV show got cancelled. I mean, I was censored a dozen a dozen of times over the years at the behest of the official and unofficial government, but I'm really worried about a TV guy. Uh, okay. Ryan Jude, what's up with India? Mostly Modi supporting India, Israel so much. That is a good question. >> Yeah, that's a good question. What does

[10:25] Modi get out of it? I don't that I actually can't answer. I understand that Modi wants to take a step back from the United States. Frankly, I would too if I were Modi. Um, especially when he knows that his bread is buttered by the Chinese and the Russians and the Brazilians and the South Africans and the Iranians and everybody else that's involved in bricks. But, but as to Mod's closeness with Israel, I have no explanation whatsoever. >> And this question, I know I'm going to giggle. Uh, and I shouldn't. Ef uh

[10:56] Efuso. So, thank you for the donation. Do you think Kirk uh had superb bones? Was it Jesus who made the bullet stay in Kirk so no one else's got shot? Hashtag miracle. So, for people who don't follow social media, what this is about is that the psychopaths who gathered yesterday uh in in in Arizona to memorialize Charlie Kirk literally, you know, it's not enough for them to say that literally he is a biblical prophet like

[11:26] John the Baptist. Okay. Or or or Joshua like like like Moses, an actual prophet. Uh they said that over and over and over yesterday. But some a lot of people in MAGA world are saying that his the bullet should have traveled through him and then hit other people and that like a savior like a like a soldier heroic soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save his buddy his extremely miraculous Jesus body thickly prevented that from

[11:59] happening. Ted, did did you send me the the tweet from the self-described prophetus? >> Uh, no. I think that was Robbie. >> Oh, was it Robbie? Yeah. >> So, this self-described prophetist, Unless Robbie wants to come on and and >> Yeah. Hey, Robbie. >> Put on your pants. Here we go. >> There we go. >> Pants are on. >> Okay, fire away. >> Tell us about the prophetus and what she what she saw when she went to heaven yesterday. >> Uh, actually, that wasn't me. I I don't know. Yeah. I I don't know about the

[12:30] prophetus. Uh now I do have my own questions about the ballistics, but I don't know anything about >> Let's do the ballistics and then we'll do the prophetus. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give us the ballistics. >> Okay. So, as someone who has done a lot of shooting with a 3006 rifle, >> the weapon used the weapon used to kill Charlie Kirk. >> Correct. Specifically mousers. I used to have an old Argentine Mouser made in the 1890s. Beautiful gun. U if you shoot a if you shoot one a a standard round at 200 yards, it's easily going over Mach 2

[13:01] speed. That's just a that's one of the reasons why that they used here in Montana to take down big game. Now, the question that I had was if they did they release information on the bullet because it seems like to me if you're going to be doing this, you use a hunting round because it's just be more effective against against tissue. Well, come to find out the government hasn't released anything at all. They haven't released an autopsy. They've released ballistics on the bullet. And instead I found out that they said that this 306 bullet lodged up under the skin

[13:34] which as someone who like I said who does this stuff a lot before I started losing my eyesight that does not happen. If a 306 round hits a neckbone it blows the bone out. I have seen this. It works. What they're saying it makes zero sense. And so the question that I have is why is the government lying about this? Because all you got to do is just hop on Grock, hop on Google. >> Well, it's not the government really lying. It's government officials who are

[14:05] basically playing the roles of who are forgetting that they are government officials, which is why they're engaged in this partisan hackery uh that we saw yesterday, but u basically just running off with the mouth. They don't I mean this is not an official, you know, coroner's report or anything or a police investigation or anything like that. Yeah, nothing's been released, which is wild because if they wanted to [ __ ] clamp down on sec on um >> on conspiracy theories, I got just release the report. >> That's it. >> I mean, I don't understand. I don't understand why. I mean, they've got the

[14:36] shooter supposedly, so why sit on it? It makes no sense to me. Well, I mean, I think what's interesting is like just the level of hysteria and uh you know, just the the way that this has been uh exploited. Uh it's so insanely over the top. I mean, foolish. I was reminded, I mean, of course, this is one of my big controversies, but the Pat Tilman um memorial service, uh, which was also in Arizona, presided over by warongering John McCain. Um, and you

[15:09] know, he basically try they were trying to same sort of thing, flags everywhere, eagles everywhere, but I mean, they didn't have the this one had it all. It had fireworks when the widow walked out on stage. I mean, you know, nothing says class like like like fireworks. uh and you know somber memorial service. I don't know the whole thing. I mean the aesthetics of it really deserve like a a deep dive right I mean of of the event. I mean about what it says. Um what was really interesting to me was all the

[15:40] discussion about like Charlie united America at the same event where there the people all the speakers are talking about how half the country sucks and killed Charlie Kirk. Um, you know, how is there a uni? You you know, you can't have vengeance and retribution and unity. You got to choose. >> I think that's pretty obvious which way they've chosen. I mean, Trump himself said that no, he hates his >> I am your retri I am your retribution. That's what he said before he was elected. All right. Uh, Robbie, before I

[16:12] take you out, u, >> sure, >> please remind everyone why they have to go watch us on Rumble. >> Yeah. So, there's a couple reasons why you want to watch us on Rumble. want part four of John's interview will be releasing next month as a Rumble exclusive. >> That's a good one, too. >> So, if you want to see that, come over to Rumble. Uh, if you become a channel subscriber for $5 a month, you can see all the premium content on Deprogrammed. Or if you want to see all premium content across the entire platform, just pay 10 bucks a month. That way, you see that sweet, sweet boot gaming stuff, too. Selfless self plug. Uh, also,

[16:44] frankly, uh, Rumble pays a hell of a lot more. And also, Rumble does not censor the way that YouTube does. So, if you want to have uh conversations about ballistics and about what I think is going on with Charlie Charlie Kirk, um I don't think that shot in the neck that we saw was a entrance wound. I think it's an exit wound. I can't have that conversation on Rumble or on I have we can have that conversation on Rumble, but on YouTube because YouTube will blow us up. So, there is that. So, I'm going to go away now and uh y'all keep on going. >> Thank you. You can take your pants off

[17:15] now. Okay. So, um, yeah. I mean, did you have a chance to watch that, uh, that event yesterday or excerpts? >> I did. >> What do you think? >> I did. I thought it was um frightening to tell you the truth. >> It was frightening. Um, there's a lot of anger, there's a lot of hatred, there's a lot of division. Um, and there are a lot of people in positions of authority who believe a lot of crazy things.

[17:46] Oh, which brings me back to this prophetus. >> Oh, yes. Thank you. >> So, this prophetus whose name I did not I whose name I did not u recognize said that she was taken to heaven yesterday. God took her to heaven yesterday and she saw God chatting with Charlie Kirk and Charlie had wings >> and God was talking to him >> and God gave him a quiver full of arrows and the arrows were made of light. There

[18:18] were 1,000 arrows and they were made of light and God told her to come back down to earth and tell people that Charlie's in good shape. He's in good hands. [Music] Dude, that's awesome. I love it. I I mean, and the thing is, what the [ __ ] What was wrong with people? And you know, there's going to be people who who repeat this dutifully like, "No, that's happened. He's with

[18:49] He's He's hanging with God. I I saw Holy shit." I don't know, man. >> Yeah, >> I don't know what to say. >> Yeah. Well, all right. We were going to talk about this, so we should might as well talk about it. Rock Light, what's our opinion on the H-1B visa fee? I was surprised that there was no plan announced with the implementation. Oh, I'm never surprised when there's no plan announced with the implementation. >> I mean, planning isn't really Donald Trump's thing. It's like, hey, draft up

[19:20] the executive order. I assume they had all the executive orders stacked up and on a schedule before he took office. And it's like, >> yeah, usually they're written in the period between the uh the election inauguration. >> Mhm. >> I'm I'm convinced of that. It's like, oh, it's September 22nd. Oh, this we're doing this one. We're doing the H-1B that day. Uh and they're all spaced out very carefully. I'm convinced of that. They're all stacked up. Uh but >> yeah. >> Okay. So they so so basically the H-1B

[19:51] visa fee is very simple. If a company wants to hire someone uh you know under the H-1B program they have to pay the federal government $100,000. So it's very Trumpy. It's like well we also want to get money you know. So in other words it's not really about principle. It's not really about hiring Americans. It's about like you know it's about grifting and bringing in some more money into the treasury. But also, it is gonna it obviously is going to discourage a lot of of of people, a lot of companies from

[20:23] doing these. They're saying that there may be exceptions for doctors, which frankly is a good idea. Um, but I got to say, um, good for Donald Trump. I don't say that very often, but I hate the H-1B visa program. As a former uh as a former engineering student, I know and have heard and have read about countless cases of people who are unemployed and undermployed STEM workers, especially people who got laid off in their 40s and 50s and can't get work who are brilliant, who are American citizens and

[20:54] then uh you know there's there's this feeder that comes in from one pro one you know basically the vast majority of them are coming not only just from India but they're coming through one company in India to feed to feed Amazon and Apple and Alphabet and all these companies in Silicon Valley. Um they they bring in these people, they work them like dogs. They know that they you know they can do that. They can underpay them because otherwise, you know, if they don't play ball, they get kicked

[21:25] back and sent back to India and if they don't want that, they're not going to go along with it. Um, there's been countless documented cases of American citizens being told that they were being laid off, but before they left, they have to train their H1B visa um, replacement. And for the record, this program, according to to the law, says it's only when an employer can't find an American to do the job that they have to go into they have to look overseas. Um, you know, I was as a it

[21:56] kills me to think that like as a if id graduated with a physics degree, I might have had to compete against someone who is willing to take, you know, say 25% less for the same exact job. It's [ __ ] I mean, as far as there's one, as long as there's one American who's either qualified or could be trained, and that's an important point, could be trained to do the job, I don't want anyone, I don't want any H-1B visas issued whatsoever. um if if they can't find anyone and there's no no one's

[22:26] smart enough in this country to do the job uh who can be trained then okay fine you you can look overseas that's my take I have to agree with you and and I'm thinking that despite the w the fact that it was rolled out uh very unprofessionally I think that the bottom line is probably a good one um so many of these tech companies love to hire Indians and Chinese because they'll work for a quarter of what an American worker might command. And so if you make it

[22:59] more expensive to hire the Indian or to hire the Chinese or Taiwanese, then um then maybe this is actually a good thing for American workers. >> I have to tell you the truth, I'm willing to I'm willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on this and see how it plays out. But I think that on paper it looks like a good idea. This is an intersection between the progressive left and and MAGA world. I mean, we all I mean, Bernie Sanders, AOC, me, people,

[23:31] we've all been complaining about this for years. Um, and so this is a place it, you know, it does show that there is a possibility for left and right to get together on some things. Question for you, John, from Houdini. Did you ever work with Marty? I don't know who that is. Mhm. >> Okay, >> Ted, forgive me. Um, my sound is terrible. I'm gonna I'm gonna leave the room and then come back in. >> Okay. All right. So, I will I will uh I will

[24:03] hold down the fort for a little bit while John leaves the room and then I'll put him back in. Let's see what other questions we have here. Of course, now I'm not able Oh, there we go. Okay. Uh, let's see. That's a John question. Oh, Alicia wants to know who was the last upstanding trustworthy president. You know, I mean, it's a little bit of a cliche. There's John. All right, I'll put him back. >> That sounds much better. >> Oh, good. Good. We have a question which

[24:34] is uh who was the least the last um trust trustworthy president? And I was about to say probably Jimmy Carter was was probably fairly trustworthy. >> Yeah. And I think Gerald Ford was probably fairly trustworthy. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not I mean, you know, most of what they say is true. I mean, least untrustworthy. I mean, obviously this we enough has been said about this one, but I mean, God, I mean, Bush was

[25:06] such a sack. Um, and uh, you know, Andrew Johnson was I mean maybe he was honest. He was just a turd. Um, you know, when you get yourself impeached, >> Lyndon Johnson. >> Andrew Johnson. >> Andrew. Yeah. He Well, he was drunk all through the presidency. >> And he was such a racist piece of [ __ ] that that was part of the reason that he got impeached in 1868. I mean, when when you get impeached for being too racist by a bunch of other white dudes, rich white dudes in 1860s, you're a racist

[25:39] piece of [ __ ] >> You can say that again. >> So, who was I'm sorry. At at the at the 1864 inauguration, Andrew Johnson was so drunk that he couldn't give his vice presidential inauguration address. And afterwards, Mrs. Lincoln said to to her husband like, "You've got to be kidding me. This was the only guy." >> Yeah, it was bad. >> It was hard to find good help. Um, did John did you ever work with Marty? Who?

[26:10] DD09 wants to know. Marty. >> Yes, sir. Uh, Marty was my immediate supervisor in uh, Alex Station. I And and listen, I Marty and I were friends from 1990. We served in We served in a Middle Eastern country together. >> How come he knows who Marty is? Who's Marty? Like, why isn't that famous? >> Marty's out there in the news now every once in a while. We're talking about Marty. Well, we're talking about Marty. I'm not going to say because he's a dick. He testified against me in the grand jury in uh in 2012. And I I ran

[26:41] into him about four years ago, and I I said, "Marty, what the fuck?" I said, "We were friends for decades, and you testified against me in the grand jury. you didn't even have anything to do with my case. And he said, you know, I really regret it, but they were just looking for somebody to trash you and I was in town and they pressured me. I was like, shame on you, man. >> What the [ __ ] >> Shame on you. >> That's really lame. I was in town. >> Yeah, >> that's awesome. >> They were just looking for people. They were trying to get people together just

[27:12] to trash me before this grand jury because remember I um I had uh been arrested in January of 2012, but I had not been indicted by a grand jury. And my law is like, "What do you mean you haven't been indicted?" And I said, "No, there's not been a grand jury." He said, "Oh, this is political." My lead attorney, "This is political." So, we made a motion to to throw out the charges because I hadn't even been indicted by a grand jury. And so, as

[27:44] fast as they could, they called a grand jury together. They got all my former enemies from the agency to testify against me over the course of four or five days and then they indicted me and they said, "Ha, now you're indicted." I always had a great deal of respect for Marty. He was one of the best, most gifted, natural case officers I ever met. But when it came time to show honor, >> he [ __ ] you. >> His was out to lunch. >> Yeah.

[28:14] >> Uh, thank you for the dollar donation. Uh, couldn't agree more. Kirk's funeral was right out of idiocracy. That's how I felt. >> It was weird, man. >> It was Yeah, it's it I mean, these are weird times. Um, USX A-Rod, thanks for the donation. How can the public trust any of the details the FBI came out? Yeah. With um, it's run by a buffoon. We'd rather release select details and talk about Balhalla than actually investigate. >> He's right. How do we trust the FBI? We

[28:46] can't trust the FBI. >> No. No. Not. I mean, I think you could run you could trust the agency writ large maybe at one point, but yeah, >> not with this guy. Um, Marble, why did it take a genocide for the West to finally recognize Palestine? Uh, I hate to ask that question, but either they're a state or not. I love that question. >> That's a great question. That's an important question. >> Look, to me, this ca, this situation is a lot like East Teeour. Um, and and I used to have this conversation with my father-in-law who was Taiwanese. He was

[29:18] a big Taiwanese independence activist. And he was like, "When are we when is America going to give us our independence? When are they going to go to the Chinese and say, "Leave Taiwan alone?" I'm like, "That's never going to happen ever." I mean, first of all, they're the Americans are selling too many weapons and enjoying the the whole split and they love using Taiwan to [ __ ] with China. This will go on forever. And I was like, but I was like, if you guys ever want your independence, you're going to have to do like East Teour. You're going to have to declare it and then maybe, and he's like, but then the

[29:49] Chinese will invade. I'm like, I don't think so, but they might. And they might kill a bunch of Taiwanese people. And that's the price you pay for freedom. I mean, that's that's what happens when you are uh you know, when when when you're fighting a much bigger power. And I think what happened what's happening with Israel is the same sort of thing. The Israelis had to go to the mat in order I mean they had to they had to kill as many gazins as they possibly could before and John I don't see you um

[30:22] if your camera's off. >> I see you. I see you. >> There you are. So I felt like the um so I mean I I think that basically the world was never I mean Hamas was right. The world didn't was not was moving away from the Palestinian cause. They did not care. They passed the Amazon, the Amazon, the Abraham Accords. They were going to completely throw the They threw the Palestinians under the bus. The Saudis were going to normalize relations with Israel. No one gave a [ __ ] Hamas needed a gamecher and they made a game

[30:53] changer. And you could argue about the details and I have, but um I think it required I mean to me the purpose of terrorism is to ex you know is to expose your enemy as monsters. So if you say look the the Israelis and the Americans are monstrous anti-Muslim oppressor imperialist murderer [ __ ] and then you poke at them and you attack them and you make them violently over-the-top

[31:23] overreact or you prompt them to do so then they've made your case for you and that's I think that's what happened. I think it was a October 7th was a huge political success um for the Palestinians and for Hamas >> Palestinians. Yeah, I I agree. I think that's that's exactly right. Um I you know what I can't disagree with anything you said. I I looked at a map in the Washington Post today of countries around the world that um that recognize Palestine and countries that don't. And

[31:55] you know, we talk about it here in the United States like it's this really big momentous decision that's going to change the course of humankind. No, the the countries that don't recognize Palestine are the United States, Norway, Sweden, Greece, Germany, and Austria. And that's pretty much it. The rest of the world has always recognized Palestine or has for years. So, no, we we make it sound like it's this momentous cataclysmic decision. No, it's not at

[32:28] all. >> Well, it's also everyone can read their polls, right? I mean, recognizing Palestine is probably the only popular thing Emanuel Mcron has done in years. >> Um, and uh, and look at and the latest polls are out. the vast majority of Americans at large, uh, not just Democrats, now sympathize more with the Palestinian cause than the Israelis. Uh, by the way, about the magic bullet, um, Turning Point USA executive producer Andrew Kulvit says Broomhill claimed the surgeon told him that Charlie's healthy

[32:59] bones stopped the bullet. He also said the coroner found it beneath the skin. that I I just cannot believe that any of that is true. >> I don't >> We saw the video. We all saw the video. It did catastrophic damage to the man's neck. It didn't hit a bone >> in a in a tenth of in a hundth of a second. >> That's right. >> Um >> not a fringe leftist, but a mainstream leftist murdered Charlie Kirk, says Phil. All of the lies as he was a

[33:31] racist, sexist, fascist Nazi were literally a death warrant. Never mind that they were all lies. Phil, I'm I'm gonna agree. I'm not gonna look, I'm not gonna to to break down the exact specifics of Charlie Kirk's ideology. Even if Charlie Kirk was a racist, sexist [ __ ] across the board, he absolutely there's no that he did not have that coming. But he wasn't. It's true that like when I went back to to look at um you know, he wasn't Mr. Kumbaya, okay? He this is a guy who had

[34:01] a hit list on professors that he wanted to have fired because they were too liberal from profess. So that's like that's a fascist kind of thing to do. But the point is overall he was kind of a garden variety rightwinger and um I don't think you know I mean it's true that he would when you look for like the the terrible racist stuff he was like snotty about affirmative action. Hell so am I. I hate affirmative action. I mean you know it's like so whatever. I mean, I agree. Uh, you know, I mean, I think

[34:31] that's important. Um, anal ape wants to know, it felt like, uh, like we were heading towards a populist versus establishment realignment away from left versus right. That's why I loved John agreeing 100% with Tucker since the shooting. Left versus right got a boost. Well, liberal versus conservative got a boost. >> Yeah, >> I think the populist I think the realignment's still there. It's just waiting to come out after all this madness. if this madness fades. >> I I talked to Tucker yesterday about this. He he had just gotten back from

[35:03] Phoenix and and he told me that for the very first time in his life, he genuinely fears for the future of the country. And and I said, I have to agree. I I've never experienced this kind of of hatred >> amongst Americans before. I mean, you know, we have we have political >> stupidity. >> Yeah. We have political problems and issues and demonstrations and you know think of think of the summer of 68 and the the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy but I've never genuinely feared for the country like

[35:36] today. >> No, me neither. I mean we this is I mean this is this is peak. We've gone full [ __ ] for sure here. Um so let's see. Um Mel Michael Vilov wants to know wants wants us to talk about France by ru lasted less less than a week. >> Yeah, I mean France is in real trouble. Um you know congratulations >> I did congratulations on uh Miss Emanuel Macron. Look definition of insanity

[36:06] doing the same [ __ ] over and over. That's what's going on here. I mean, Macron was told in no uncertain terms by the voters when he called the election last year, the French voters want the far-left and short or the far right, and it's pretty close, right? The far left is a little ahead of the far right. The far right's a little better organized, although last year it was a shining moment for the left, but they don't want centerright austerity [ __ ] Nobody wants that. And it he keeps coming back

[36:39] with that over and over and over. The French are are freaking out. This is going to get ugly. We are going to see May 68. I mean, it's it's France is blowing up. And you know, I hate that because France is my stop gap measure, you know. >> Yeah, I know, right? >> In case of emergency. Ryan Jude, what flavor of engineering were you asking me? I'm a quality engineer. So I if id graduated I would have been an applied physicist and nuclear engineer. Um I used to joke that like uh you know

[37:10] Saddam Hussein would have loved to have met me because I did know how to make an atomic bomb. >> Hey Ted, before we go on um I know Robbie's telling us we have an ad and I don't want you to miss it. >> Okay Robbie, go ahead and pop that sucker up there and I'll read it. Uh John, you're a spiritual man. What makes the prophetus claim any different than any other theology? Good question. >> Um, I just tend to generally think that that everybody's nuts. You know, I I'm I'm in Los Angeles right now. I'm

[37:42] staying with my brother and my brother is an an adamant atheist. I I even saw he he wrote a check like like I I didn't even know people still wrote checks, but there's a check on his on his kitchen counter to the Freedom from Information Found Freedom from Religion Foundation. Um >> he just hates all all organized religion. He wants to be active against it. He thinks everybody's nuts. And you

[38:12] know what? after after the Archbishop of the Greek Orthodox Church threatened to excommunicate me a couple of months ago. I've been really sour on organized religion. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, that's just one [ __ ] although he's quite an [ __ ] but here we go. Let's read this ad. You've probably noticed Rumble is growing fast and it's not slowing down. They're building a real alternative to big tech that puts creators first and actually protects free speech. And now there's Rumble Premium, an easy way to upgrade your experience. With Premium, you get ad free viewing across the platform. No pre-rolls, no interruptions, just the content you came

[38:43] for. Plus, premium members unlock exclusive content like bonus videos, behind the scenes drops, and more from your favorite creators. Right now, Rumble is offering 10 bucks off an annual subscription. Just go to rumble.com/premium and use the promo code studio at checkout. That's rumble.com/premium. Promo code studio, no ads, more freedom, and content you actually care about. That's the deal. Okay. Oh my god. So, we have so many great questions. Oh, glad I can't see the questions today because >> Okay, don't worry. I'll pop them in here. Um, Stevie, how considering the

[39:15] low education levels in this country, how can you expect to reasonably compete with people from China and India that have a far better education? >> Good point. >> It is a good point. And then, you know, and maybe we'd have a higher educational attainment level if we didn't make it the most expensive product you can buy be after buying a house. I mean, it's literally a college education is at a four-year school is 400 grand. Now, >> I mean, >> and let me add this now, and I'm going to preface it. I'm going to preface what

[39:46] I say by by saying that I'm neither confirming nor denying that this is the case. I'm just saying as an observation. What kind of predicament does this put the CIA in where the CIA wants Chinese scientists to come and work in big tech so the CIA can recruit them and send them back to China >> to then be >> agents in place. >> I wonder if Tulsi brings that up to to the Donald.

[40:16] >> I doubt >> that's a good question though. That is a really really good point, John. That that would never have occurred to me. This question is also for you. uh from thief. You once mentioned talking to a poppy farmer who talked about an American in jeans telling him to grow poppies. Can you talk more about this? Are they CIA? >> 1,000%. Yes. I probably sat in the same in the same area of cubicles with whoever it was who who told the guy. But yeah, that was clearly a CIA officer just like I I mentioned yesterday on a

[40:47] podcast here in Los Angeles. Um there there was a human rights an important human rights like internationally known human rights figure who told me that he had a witness who was 12 years old at the time of the 2001 Dashlei massacre in northern um Afghanistan. And what his new uh source was telling him, the source was 12 years old at the time of the massacre, was that at the site of the massacre where 2,000 Taliban soldiers were suffocated to death. Um

[41:19] >> I've more than that. >> Oh, it's bad. No, it was about 2,000. That was all that the trucks could hold. >> Uh but uh there were two men at the site of the massacre wearing jeans and black t-shirts and speaking English. So >> and directing traffic. Who who could it possibly be on November 30th and December 1st, 2001 in Dashi Leyle, Afghanistan, speaking English and wearing blue jeans. >> Yeah. I' I I met uh James Dolan, the uh

[41:51] the uh the director of the film Afghan Massacre, uh and talked to him extensively about that. And like you know, there's never been any accountability from Obama had promised to do something and he never did. Well, may I may I talk about that for a minute? >> Yeah, let's talk about it. Because, by the way, that I was, you know, I was right there. That was like where I was at that time. >> So, Barack Obama said during the 2008 campaign that he was going to order an investigation into the Dashi Leyle massacre. What happened was on November

[42:21] 30th and December 1st, 2001, 2,000 Taliban soldiers on Mas gave up to the Northern Alliance. >> They were captured in Mazzari Shariff. >> That's right. Missouri Sharif. So they asked the CIA, "What do we do with these Taliban?" And the CIA said, "This was a Rashid Dustin project." >> The the CIA said, "Truck them out to the desert, hold them in the desert until we can divide them up and send them to smaller jails around the country." Because there was no jail in

[49:06] most magnificent places in the world. Number one, just outside the old city is something that used to be called Monte Smith, which is a colonial name. It's now called the Acropolis of Roads and it's a mountain that overlooks roads and it has a temple of Apollo at the top of it. Magnificent view. Then if you go down, there are three ancient cities of roads. There's Lindos, Yalisos, and Gamos. So Lindos is on the east coast. Don't miss Lindos. It's probably the most beautiful spot on the entire

[49:37] island. And there's a magnificent acropolis. Uh so it's walled and then there's a temple of Athena up there, Lindian Athena. Um the other two ancient cities, one is my my paternal um uh village. Uh Gamos is a little bit inland. So Lindos, the ancient city was at the top of the mountain. Gamos, the ancient city was going up the mountain. And you can go tour the ruins and there's a wonderful museum there. our village, Yalis,

[50:08] they know they know that the that the the ancient city was there somewhere. And then every few years, a 2500y old statue will wash up on shore. So they know it's there. They can't quite exactly find it. But that's that's what you want to do in roads. Yalisos and Camos and the village of Monolithos which has that's where the word monolith comes from and it's got a castle at the very top of the monolith.

[50:40] Uh and then on the east coast Lindos but the the old city of roads is absolutely magnificent. You can just get lost wandering around the the cobblestone streets. >> Okay. Um, question. Um, what would Oh, let me There was Oh, yeah. I like this one. Brun, what's the deal with, uh, exal Qaeda Akmed Al-Shara coming to the US to meet with Mr. Little Marco Rubio? Um, it's uh, Petraeus even sat down with

[51:13] them and said he was a fan. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's not the first time we've ever dealt with radical uh, head chopping Islamists, right? I would put money on the notion that he was a paid CIA agent that he has been for a long time and they've brought him in from the cold and they made him the president of Syria. >> I would I would buy that 100%. Yeah. I mean the Free Syria army, right, which then morphed into the al-Nusra front

[51:46] which then morphed part of it moved morphed into ISIS. >> Yeah. Lovely people. I mean it's it's a replay of what we did in Afghanistan, right? I mean >> it's exactly the same playbook. >> It's um what do you think about the theory from Zaryi Denoon um about the theory that Israel is being so hostile because their religion states that Israel will eventually fight against the whole world and then God will save them. >> I think there are a lot of Messianic Jews who believe that that is exactly what we're at the beginning of right now. And I think there are a lot of

[52:17] evangelical Christians who agree and who actively support it. There are a lot of evangelical Christians in the United States who believe that they can hasten the return of the Messiah by helping the Israelis to attract Jews. >> But then all the all the all the Jews in Israel get killed, right? They're like moths to the flame. Yep. >> They all they're all in one place conveniently to be killed, >> right? That's if I'm if I'm Jew if I'm

[52:47] Jewish. I'm like, this is not a I don't know if I want to play along with this particular scenario. >> That is the prophecy >> question. I think we you should answer this one, too. Do you believe MAGA is a fascist movement? And if so, do you think violent resistance against fascism is warranted? >> I you know, I I actually don't think MAGA is a fascist movement as a movement. I think it's a populist a right-wing populist movement, but I think that MAGA leaders are turning it into a fascist movement. >> That's well said. I think it has I I

[53:18] mean I think it there are it it's the it's the clay that can be turned into a fascist movement. >> There it is right there. >> Um it's it's like and certainly there are some fascist aspects to it. Uh, but it really I mean this was basically was just the Tea Party that got funneled into the Trump campaign. But you know once you see everyone wearing the same hats and going to big rallies and s and and basically cheering on the leader no matter what outlandish stupid [ __ ] that

[53:50] they know isn't true and can't be true. Um, you know, once you're talking about like uh scapegoating uh the non-existent enemies, right? I mean this situation with the radical left and cells are out there. That's Emanuel, you know, Emanuel Goldstein from 1984, right? There was no resistance. So the party made it up and and like that's that's made up. There is no if there was a rad radical resistance, I would have signed up with them years ago. >> But okay, that said, is are we in danger

[54:22] of fascism coming to America? Never have we been closer. >> Oh my god. I so agree. I so agree. And what makes it that much more dangerous, Ted, is that it's so incremental. Like literally every day you and I >> Yeah. We get these push notifications every day. The the Supreme Court allowed this to stand. The Supreme Court allowed that to stand. There's a new uh Trump executive order that's, you know, doing this thing or that thing or the FBI is going to do this or the US attorney's

[54:54] doing that. It's like it all adds up to fascism. Well, this is very similar to, you know, after Hitler was elected in 1933. It took nine months before or so before um the Reichto passed the Enabling Act and that was like the final death nail for German democracy. Um, and I mean I, you know, I was talking to Scott Stantis, my friend and colleague at the Chicago Tribune about this, uh, this morning, and he said, you know, Trump's a little slower. Um, you know, it's it's like it's going to take three

[55:25] months longer. But he's like, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republican Congress passed a law that said anything that Donald Trump wants is automatically the law. Or I mean, and at that point, fascism is here or totalitarianism is here anyway. maybe not fascist traditional fascism because you really have to have rampant militarism and invasions of foreign countries which Trump fortunately doesn't seem to be that into. Um but I mean and look I'll answer the tough part of the question

[55:56] which is you know is armed resistance justified to resist fascism? Yeah, armed resistance is justified to resist fascism. My grandfather was in the French resistance so yes it is. You know, my grandmother, my mother's mother was um she was in Greece in 1940 when the Germans came in and um and she was arrested and put in in prison only because she was an American citizen, not

[56:26] for any other reason. And she was young. She was only 21 years old. And um and my grandfather was able to get her out of prison by bribing a Nazi prison guard with American magazines. And then they got onto a a steamer and went back to the United States. And it was only by the grace of God that they were able to get out. So >> that's insane. >> We're not all going to be so lucky the

[56:58] next time this happens. And hopefully I'll stay out of prison long enough to revel in the fact that John, we are currently ahead of Fox News on Rumble. >> Oh my god. >> We're on the front on the front page. We are number eight in America. >> Wow. >> Live. >> Wow. Wow. Wow. >> Our little show. >> That is absolutely wonderful. Thank you everybody. Thank you. And also big thank you to uh Olanos just gifted five

[57:29] subscriptions to the show. >> Wonderful. Wonderful. >> Scary girl. Much much deserved. Like glad to see her get that. Ryan Jude, thank you. So, uh thank you so much for that. That's amazing. >> So, all right. So, let's talk about um what comes next. I mean, by the way, did you hear Netanyahu late last week talk about? Yes. >> So yeah. So Netanyahu realizes I mean he's a lot of things you know the devil

[58:01] but he's but he's not stupid and he can see the direction that this is all going. So people have been asking me what's the practical direct um impact of the statehood um you know declaration none. But the point is that the word is now out that it's not cool to hang with Israel anymore. So big business isn't going to want to do business with them anymore. there won't be contracts. They won't be able to import or export. They won't be able to recruit people or send their people overseas um to work and and send money back. So basically, Israel is

[58:31] going to find itself more isolated than South Africa did under a parttheide. And frankly, they deserve it because their behavior, their conduct is even worse than South Africa during a parttheide. I mean, at least the South Africans weren't just systematically butchering hundreds of thousands of people just for fun to steal their land. Um, so the, um, so now you've got, um, but I think what's going to happen is it's true. Um, BB is literally thinking, we're going to have to have autarchy. We're going to have to be completely independent. And

[59:03] I'm thinking, okay, the last time anyone said that was Paul Pot. Uh, he was like, we don't have to deal with anyone. At least at least Campuchia was agriculturally rich, right? >> Okay. I mean, yeah, I like I like I like the the wines from the Golan Heights, but they don't have that much there. I mean, I don't see how this works. I think Israel will collapse. I mean, I think, you know, we're not going to have a negotiated settlement. I think the economy of Israel will collapse and we might the and it'll be a postapartide

[59:34] type scenario. They're just going to have to say uncle and and and just somehow work it out with the Palestinians because their economy will be dead. See, but I think maybe I'm maybe I'm expecting a lot worse, but I I don't think they will give because I think they >> I I I think they would rather nuke themselves and everybody around them >> rather than rather than to be destroyed

[1:00:04] from the outside. >> I think they're honestly I think they're they're like a rabid dog. I mean, I think they need to be put down at this point. I mean, This is ridiculous. I think the world should invade Israel and take it over. >> Yeah. >> I mean, >> and administer it. Yes. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you secure the nukes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, so, uh, let me put Rob Robbie back on. He has a question here. All right. Here we go. Robbie, >> howdy. >> Yep. So, no, we've had a couple of

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[1:01:06] them over there. you can donate and also you can support the show and just by watching which is huge. >> So thank you. >> I think maybe we we we you know what we'll do is we'll create a PayPal account and uh we'll we'll we'll put that up so people can donate and thank you by the way. Oh my god. Thank you so much for for that. Uh for your support is just amazing. Um you guys. So >> So yeah. No, John, I could see them I could decide I could see them deciding to you know basically take us out with >> everybody. Yeah. Take everybody down.

[1:01:38] And Ted, I know >> they don't have ICBMs, though. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I know that we're running short on time and I don't want us to to miss what's arguably the most important story of the day that apparently Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has cured autism. >> Did you see this? >> I did. He said just by telling us not to use Tylenol. >> Yeah. It's like don't take Tylenol, but take lots of vitamins instead. Who knew? >> Who knew?

[1:02:08] >> And and the president said yesterday that in the next couple of days he's going to come out with the announcement about the cure for autism. It's just to take vitamins. >> You know, if only if only the parents of autistic kids >> knew about vitamins. >> I know. >> I mean, I bet they're they don't have >> Yeah, but the thing is where you find vitamins, they're impossible to find. Oh, no. Wait a minute. They're not impossible to find. No, no, they're out there. >> Oh, this is a great question. David

[1:02:39] Galvin. Okay. Well, we should talk about the the We'll talk We'll talk about David's question in a sec, but RFK Jr. is the biggest [ __ ] disappointment to me. >> I was going around telling everyone on air and off air, like the only the thing only thing I was really happy about Trump besides the possibility that he was going to lift sanctions against Russia so we could get back to work um was the fact RFK Jr. like make America healthy again, get rid of of additives and preservatives from our poisoned food

[1:03:09] supply, uh you know, cleaner food, adopt the EU standards, you know, all those things are great. And it's like, >> we didn't get any of that crap. Basically, all of his critics turned out, I admit, I was wrong. All his critics said he's a [ __ ] maniac. He's a nut. He's an antivax psycho. And that turned out to be true. Mhm. >> I made a fool of myself repeatedly by saying that I consider him to be a friend, right? We were very friendly before his presidential campaign. And

[1:03:41] then and then Dr. Aaron Good, who was a frequent uh guest on the show that I had with Michelle, would say, "Oh, he's great. He's great. He's great. I'm joining the campaign." And then he quit the campaign. And Aaron said, "No, he's nuts." >> And I thought, "Oh, well, no, he's not nuts. Aaron probably had some kind of a runin with him or whatever." No, Erin was was right. He's nuts. >> Yeah, he's nuts. >> He's dangerous. >> Yeah. Every what the liberals what the Democrats said turned out to have been true about him. It sucks. I hate being wrong like this. Yeah, me too. Greg Greg

[1:04:13] Palace like threw him under the bus and said like, you know, that brain worm got my friend. We used to be close friends. They used to work together all the time. I you know, I love Greg and um and I worked with Greg on his on a couple of his books and I would again in a second. So, Greg, if you're watching, you know, operators are standing by. Um, and so when I when I read this harsh commentary from Greg, I was like, "Holy [ __ ] I hope he never gets mad at me. I mean, that that sucks." And I was like, "Poor Bobby. What did he do?" Like, and then

[1:04:44] now I'm like, "No, Greg was right. He just saw it before I did." >> Yeah. Yeah. I hate to say I was wrong, but I was wrong. Big time wrong. >> Two very related questions, so I'll read them at the same time. David Galvin, do you think the mega movement would push back on if Trump started to become a dictator like the fall of the Democratic Party to nothing and the fall of the legal system and the courts? In other words, if he became a dictator and Paris s a hypothetical question, if Israel

[1:05:16] were well, this is not related. It were to collapse, could you see a coup coming to stop Netanyahu and the lunatics? Well, they are related questions, right? So, in other words, if we get complete manic insane fascism in Israel and in the United States, could we see the locals uh rise up and, you know, a revolution? >> I I would say yes. It would have to get bad enough, but yeah, I I would think so. Yes. And you know what? I wouldn't be surprised to see the leader of that revolution come out of the Pentagon,

[1:05:49] >> right? Well, that would be Yeah. I mean, it's true. often, you know, as we saw in the Russian Revolution, right? I mean, it's when the military signs up that's like that's often the last piece, right, that they're the ones who close the deal, but they kind of need to see that the people they they don't want to they usually take orders until they stop taking orders. >> Yeah. Right. >> Um I don't God, I hope we don't get to that point. >> God, I can't. >> It is a long [ __ ] way to 2028, though.

[1:06:19] >> Yeah, it is. I mean, yeah, right now I can't even, you know, it's like I can't just hold my breath. Oh, it'll be gone. I mean, we'll be in the campaign cycle soon. There's not going to be even pre- campaigning until like late 2027. Um, so we got to get through two and a half hard [ __ ] years. I don't know. >> I agree. >> So, in the meantime, we will continue to deprogram you as long as they'll allow us to do that. Um, and we'll, yeah, we'll work on that PayPal thing and, uh,

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