Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2026-02-05
URL: https://youtu.be/-dnBFBNex6Q
Duration: 8:00

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[00:00] Um, Martasa, I we have a question from a viewer, uh, Desert Fox. Um, what do you make of the Pizzagate allegations and crimes uh, involving more occultish practices? >> Yeah, you know, it's funny. There are some email some documents in the Epstein releases which contain these very uh extraordinary sort of allegations of yeah occult practices and murder and uh you know very extreme things and it's very difficult to vet them per se because you know these are allegations

[00:31] where the FBI recorded and they talked about as far as I've seen there was not any followup where they verified in granular detail but it seems like they did take it seriously enough to report and you do have to report everything that the report to you, but they did discuss it in a way we should not immediately dismiss it. So, I don't really know what to make of that. Um, but you know what I would say is that uh you know, I've had to update my own priors a little bit about how I think the world works in the last few years working on these stories. uh because a lot of things which you know not saying

[01:02] that that everything is true that people alleged but a lot of things which were dismissed as conspiracies at one point uh they did turn out to be validated by information later on and now they're just sort of uh you know accepted as being true. So even the sex trafficking that you know elite sex trafficking of children that Epstein was involved in that's what sounds like an insane you know egregious morally unconscionable allegation to make a few years ago and yet now we know it's very true. who's documented voluminously. So, you know, I don't really disparrage anyone for

[01:32] having suspicions or bring up anything about uh any of these subjects anymore because I think it's all worthy of investigation and and looking into because it seems like pretty much anything is potentially uh people were capable of at this point. The very very few >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Speaking of which, um I'm glad this story this question came up because if he hadn't asked it, I would have. Reynolds reps asking uh what what do you think of people saying that the bigger story is that Epste was a money launderer for intelligence agencies as his main role? >> Well, you know, it's very interesting.

[02:03] We did a story about this at drop site based on Epstein's, you know, longer history. It was sort of almost a rebuttal to the New York Times story about how was uh he made his money. It just happened to be timed in the same way. But, you know, I think that that that is true. That's but that was one aspect of who Epstein was. I think that he actually got his start as a money launderer for intelligence uh uh operations and he had he got his start in the world of an episode known as Iran Contra in the 1980s and he [snorts] was very close to ti people tied to Iran Contra uh Adnan Kosoji Douglas Lee John

[02:37] Stanley Ping there many many other individuals you can read about in their story um and Iran Contra was a episode where you not to go over in great detail people will probably know a lot about it but uh you know money was generated for these black budgets, you know, off off the books budget. That was the purpose. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That was perfect. Exactly. So, you need money which you could use for things that you don't want the public to know about and you don't want to be subject to, you know, congressional or a presidential oversight or whatever. Uh you need people who are good at laundering money and hiding money and

[03:08] cleaning money. And he was someone who was very good at that. And that became his sort of uh you know his killer in his his sort of key competency that he had. as time group went on and he became a very powerful person. I think that he expanded his range. He was someone who was this connector this uh individual who was facilitating the activities of powerful powerful people around the world uh including moneyaundering and beyond that as well too and I will say one thing very quickly as well too we haven't touched on the issue of uh the the blackmail issue. You know, I think

[03:39] that almost the question is almost a moot point in some ways because people keep raising the bar in the sense of well there is there a photo of him and standing behind the camera filming Bill Clinton and you know confronting him with a camera with a video and threatening him to you know raise taxes or something like that this is going to happen. I think it's actually not even necessary for that discourse of sort of blackmail to take place because what we do know is that he knew about the activities that these powerful people were doing and was facilitating them uh for a very very long period of time and he had privileged knowledge about things that they didn't want to be public that

[04:11] by its nature gives you leverage over people you know inherently regardless of when you course them thereafter or not it does influence your relationship with them so I think that you know he was somebody who was in a politically privileged role And I do hope we find more granular information about this. But uh yeah, I think he was somebody who, you know, he he played many many different roles and all of them were uh you know, very consequential. >> Rasa, in the time that we have left, um are we going to see the other half of the of the files? And uh and if if so, what do you what would you like to find

[04:42] in those? >> You know, uh I hope so. Uh it's interesting because they were quite adamant it seemed after this release that to describe it as the final release and you know try to say this is the end of the story and so >> we heard that before though. >> Yeah >> exactly. Yeah. So I think there'll be a fight and I know that Ro Kana and Thomas Massie have insisted upon disclosure of the final 3 million of the files and I do find the excuses that they raised for not releasing them privacy and so forth were not very compelling because a lot of private things were accidentally

[05:13] released in this disclosure and so forth. So I don't really you know buy that per se but uh you know I hope we do see and I hope that uh you know it's released in a way which is uh a bit more responsible first of all because I think they released it was a disastrous uh Epstein file releases so far deliberately almost seen confusion chaotic uh disorganized we're trying to do our best to reorganize the files for public uh analysis we we have a tool called Jmail we're working on with some

[05:43] researchers which restructures there's all the emails and the image of a Google inbox of Epstein so people can go through chronologically and kind of see when things fit together which you can extract a lot more meaning from but but you know I hope that uh if there is more releases that they do release in a way which allow people to actually uh view it in a way which uh we can glean information of more >> last question before we let you go um is the uh hazard way that the documents have been released and you know and and the huge mistakes for example the unredacted naked photos of uh underage

[06:15] uh girls. Um is that a feature or is it a bug? Do you think it's just the sort of haphazard nature nature of this administration which didn't hire enough people enough professional people to handle this? Or is this an oldfashioned document dump where we dump everything on journalists and they just can't handle it and process it on time and then they hope that the uh public interest moves on. >> Oh well, if people remember they did it on Friday afternoon. So Friday afternoon. Yeah. The timing. Exactly. To try to specifically uh you know dull the

[06:48] impact of it and you know I would say that in the age of you know you know you can make an AI app to do something in like half an hour now to arrange things in a way which is accessible. I can only imagine that this was intentional because you know if we at drop site can rearrange it with researchers in a more digestible format. you were like eight people a drop site and a few researchers. Uh the the federal government, the Department of Justice of course can release this in a digestible manner. I think they're trying not to. >> Yeah, they have more money than God if they want. Um thank you so much Martaza

[07:20] Hussein for joining us. Hope you'll come back. Um he's the national security and foreign affairs correspondent at Dropsite News and I would say an expert on the Epstein files. So drop dropsightnews.com. If you haven't been, check it out. I'm there every day. Go check it out. Thanks so much. >> Thank you, Mortaza. >> Have a great day. >> Thank you. Outstanding. >> You know, Drop Site News, this is what investigative journalism is supposed to be, right? This is what the the the Post, the Times, the Journal,

[07:52] the LA Times, what they used to do, >> right? >> And and by the way, effective today, there was a massive layoff at the Washington Post. >> It's happening right now >> as we're speaking. I don't even know still around. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But drop site news, this is the way journalism is supposed to be >> for sure. Um and I look I I totally agree with Martaza like the you know with the a with AI >> um you know you and I could process this stuff. Um Oh yeah. You know I mean it's not hard. >> That's right. It's not hard. You're

[08:23] [music] exactly right.
