Title: CIA Spy Breaks Silence on Epstein Cover-Up, Mossad & Trump
Show: Danny Jones Podcast
Date: 2025-07-14
URL: https://youtu.be/HStqERfZbPw
Duration: 2:27:00

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[00:04] [Music] All right, John Keryaku, welcome back, my friend. >> Thank you. It's good to be back. >> I'm excited to talk to you today. The world is uh up in smoke right now. >> Yeah. >> Lots of crazy [ __ ] going on. >> Nuts. >> Is Trump the most pro-Israel president we've ever had in this country? >> I would say yes. >> I think it's by far. Probably. You know, if you just look at the decision to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, that in and of itself does it. In in the 1990s, Congress passed a law saying that

[00:36] the American embassy should move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, but not until there's peace with the Palestinians. So, each successive president has put a hold on it, and then Trump's like, "No, we're doing it." All this stuff that's happening right now is just is so crazy to watch, you know, especially all like these top political pundits who were backing Trump when he was running for president that are starting to question what he's doing, which I think is like a

[01:07] >> a hu a a new thing, you know, like during Obama, like when Bush happened and you had all like the left-wing pundits criticizing Bush's foreign policy and the war stuff and then Obama comes in and starts doing the same thing. They weren't calling out the hypocrisy at all. But now >> and still don't want to talk about it. >> And still Right. Exactly. But now to the credit of the people like like uh Elon and Tucker um even Joe Rogan have been >> Marjorie Taylor Green even. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> And he's doing uh you know he quite literally ran on on releasing these

[01:39] Epstein files. And I think the whole idea of the Epstein files is kind of like gaslighting because what what even is we don't care about that like the files. What are the file? We want the hard drive, >> right? Well, you know, to par to paraphrase Bill Clinton, it depends on what the definition of a file is, you know? >> Right. Exactly. Like what is it like this? Is this some concocted file somebody in some back office at Langley, you know, put together with a couple names in the black book? Because the black book's been available for how many

[02:10] years now? Like we can see all the addresses in there. >> The black book went to auction recently. >> Oh, really? There's an auction house on Maryland's Eastern Shore called Alexander Auctions. They specialize mostly in World War II and and even then mostly Nazi stuff. >> Uh but they they also deal in Americana like um you know paintings by Charles Manson for example, stuff like that. Yeah, it's cool stuff. Um they they tried to auction the black book recently. The estimate was 75,000 to

[02:41] 100,000 and it didn't sell. So the book is out there. Why then does the FBI not have a copy and then released the copy? If we know who was in the black book, why haven't they told us? To me, that would be part of a file. It would be part of a record. What you're talking about is even more important. Virginia Duffrey, who recently committed suicide, but who very bravely testified against uh Jeffrey Epstein and Galain Maxwell. >> Are we talking about the the lady who

[03:11] got hit by the truck? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. She killed herself a couple of weeks after that. U she she testified that there was a room at Epstein's mansion in the Caribbean where from the floor to the ceiling it was just monitors, >> right? >> And there were guys in there monitoring the monitors. Every room in the house and every bathroom in the house was wired for video. So where are the videos? Why have we not seen anything? Why have

[03:42] we heard nothing about about Prince Andrew or about Bill Gates or Bill Clinton or Alan Dersowitz or any of the other, you know, A-list people >> who we know for a fact were at that house. >> Yeah. this whole it's like the JFK conspiracy where everybody knows >> if you pull every American in this country who's paying you know even a little bit of attention they all know that this was some sort of conspiracy coup you know Oswald wasn't the only

[04:13] shooter >> but the government just like says shut up talk all you want make your podcast and your documentaries but nothing you're never going to find out the truth it's almost the same thing here where they're just they're just holding it back and they they know everybody knows Right. >> Right. Everybody knows Jeffrey Epste was working on the behalf of Israel intelligence. They know I mean I mean just the fact that Uhoo Barack was at his apartment and working at his office all the time was his handler. All the stuff with you know even with Robert Maxwell and Maxwell like it's it's so

[04:44] obvious in plain sight. My question is why can't Trump admit that? >> I don't know. I I was on another podcast yesterday and uh well uh Patrick uh PBD Yeah. and he said that uh that this is the first real scandal in this second Trump administration. He said that that the White House completely misread public opinion on this issue that people not just believed him when he said he was going to release everything. They expected that it would all be released

[05:16] so that we could get to the bottom of this for once. And then you've got I mean you saw that press conference with uh Cash Patel and Dan Bonino. I felt pain for them. You could see it in their faces >> like neither one of them wanted to say >> he killed himself and we didn't find anything. >> Meanwhile, these are the guys who have been on on podcast for the last 2 years. Exactly. >> Pounding the table that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress to to squash the Epstein files. We got to get this out to

[05:46] expose all these leftist blood sucking Democrats. >> Second they get into power, it's like >> everything changes. >> They go into a dark room, they come out. >> Epstein killed himself gone. It's it's it's complete. You You and Ianity. You and I have talked about this in the past. I I always believed that Epstein killed himself only because of my own experience in in prison. And I can lay that out. But the only thing that gives me pause is that Dr. Michael

[06:17] Boden, who is one of the foremost >> uh uh forensic uh coroners in the world, said that his hyoid bone was fractured, which was indicative of >> a strangulation of of a homicide is what he specifically said. A homicide. >> Now, he may be wrong. There are lots of different ways to break your hyoid bone. It's very fragile. He could have broken it when he was, you know, strangling himself with the uh with a sheet. Who knows?

[06:48] >> But for Dr. Boden to come out like definitively and say, I believe this was a homicide, it gives me pause. >> There's a lot of other things in there too besides that that are very fishy. You know, like the news >> all all parts of it are fishy. >> Yeah. Like the So the thing about the hyoid hyoid bone is they there was some sort of there was some sort of statistic that was looked at in medical research where they they looked at people that were hung >> or died by hanging like a legitimate hanging where your feet can't touch the

[07:19] ground, right? where there's actual like trauma and you and and you know >> out of I think 25% of those hangings that they looked at the autopsies 25% one to two of those bones around the hyoid bone were broken. >> Mhm. >> Epstein all three >> oh >> were broken and he was he was in a little cell. >> Yeah. With no real height to jump from. I mean, how high up the top bunk on a

[07:50] bunk bed? >> That's not high enough to, >> you know, do a Barz oni, >> right? Right. >> You know, where his head popped off. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> And, you know, his brother Mark Epstein has pointed out a lot of other weird things like the noose. Uh, they said that it was cut like like the actual photos they took and and the descriptions they gave do not match up at all. They said the noose was cut. They had cut it with scissors or whatever, but when you look at the photo, it was actually a hemmed seam. >> What? >> Yeah. All kinds of very, very odd things

[08:21] that just don't add up whatsoever. And the photo they released of his jail cell >> Yeah. >> right after it happened was not >> the photo, not the image of the security footage. Completely two different cells. >> Yes. In fact, they I I saw yesterday that there were 12 people in the cell after he was after he died. 12 people in the cell who had nothing to do with the case. They just went for, you know, take a picture with their phone or hang out

[08:53] or check it out or where they could totally contaminated the the scene. M >> plus another thing and granted MDC Brooklyn is a maximum security penitentiary and I was in a low security prison but if a if a prisoner in my prison was suicidal which happens every once in a while. Um what they do is they put them in a in a cubicle where three of the walls are just glass. Okay. They take all your clothes so you're naked

[09:23] and they just give you this paper smok to put o to put over yourself and they hire other prisoners. They give you five bucks for a 4-hour shift and you just sit in a chair in front of one of those, you know, glass walls just staring at the guy. And if he tries to kill himself in there, you run and get a guard. So what they did with Epstein was they put him in a cell with, you know, another prisoner to watch him, but the prisoner

[09:54] was in on on multiple murder counts. He was a serial killer. Why would why in the world would you put him in with a serial killer, >> right? >> Why don't you put him in with, you know, the trustee >> or better yet, take him to medical, which is where they they take suicidal prisoners in other prisons. take him to medical and just have him sit in medical. >> Right. >> They knew he was suicidal. >> He said he was suicidal >> and they took him off suicide watch 2 days before he died. >> Exactly. Why? Whose decision was that?

[10:26] >> There, you know, in my mind, there are so many different people who could be prosecuted for a whole bunch of different roles in this death. Whether he killed himself or somebody killed him, there are so many people beginning with whoever was monitoring those monitors at the house, whoever was serving drinks and saw girls, underage girls being being I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that word on YouTube. >> Yeah, you can say that's fine. >> Okay. Said um

[10:58] when when Pam Bonnie came out the other day and said that there will be no arrests beyond what Galain Maxwell is the only guilty person here, >> right? >> It was just Yeah. Just the two of them. They they were super people and they did all of this on their own. There was nobody else behind them. >> And then nobody wants to talk about Israel as you said, >> right? >> Nobody wants to have that conversation. On top of that, we talked about last time uh you were in here with uh our friend Andrew Bamante, right,

[11:28] >> for that fun podcast. >> That that was a lot of fun. >> That was that was electric. >> I I would do that again. >> Um we we we mentioned Jonathan Pard, right? And Jonathan Pard's handler >> was pardoned by Trump, right? >> Yes. Yes. You know, I was on uh Piers Morgan a couple of weeks ago. >> Okay. Yeah. and and one of the other guests on the panel, >> well, there were four of us, Scott Horton and I on the one side and the other side was Alan Dersawitz and

[11:59] General Dan Danny >> and and the general he had been the head of Mossad and he's like chuckling and laugh like I'm I would say Israel spies on the United States. Oh, he would laugh. And then Pierce Morgan says Israel spy on the United States. No, not since Pard got caught. Then the prime minister said, "No more spying on the United States." And I said, "General, with all due respect, that's just simply not true." I joined the CIA in 1990. And

[12:29] literally on my first day, we were warned about Israeli espionage against the United States. >> What year was Pard caught? >> Uh, he was caught in 95. >> 95. Okay. Um, and then I said, "Through the 1990s, the FBI identified 187 Israeli spies in the United States." 187. That was an FBI number. And where were they? They had infiltrated American defense contractors all across the country. But they're Israeli. And we're

[13:00] going to probably give them 95% of that tech anyway, so nobody does anything about it. And then he just goes, Oh, like, okay, you caught me. And the Dersuits, you know, flipped out like a crazy person, >> right? >> And when I said that I believed, and I always couch my I I'm always very cautious when I talk about this issue. I say I believe that Epstein was an Israeli access agent. And I lay out what I believe is a convincing argument for

[13:32] that. And I'm happy to repeat that here. Uh, and Durowitz flipped out and he said, "If he was an Israeli access agent, he would have told me I was his attorney and I could have gotten him um off. I could have gotten him less time." And I said, "By confessing to espionage, you could have gotten him less time. I would have hung him from a gallows." >> Mhm. >> If he had been uh an Israeli access agent and he admitted to it. So, who knows? My my position is,

[14:06] and forgive me if I keep repeating myself, but if you are a foreign intelligence service, especially the Israelis who have access to all aspects of American society, right? If you're an Israeli intelligence officer and you want tightly co closely held information that somebody like Bill Clinton has or Bill Gates or Alan Dersawitz or you know Prince Andrew, >> you're not going to recruit any of those people because they don't have traditional vulnerabilities that a CIA

[14:38] officer would be trained to look for like a need for money for example or hatred of your government or you know u you know your your wife is sick and she needs cancer treatment that's not available in your country. None of those work in a case like this, >> right? >> So, you're not going to recruit Bill Clinton. You're not going to recruit Bill Gates. What are you going to do? Give Bill Gates $1,000 a month to to answer your classified questions? Ridiculous. >> So, you do the next best thing and you

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[16:43] up in this beautiful mansion. You wire the house for video and audio. You give him plenty of money so he hires this staff. You bring in young girls, underage girls, and you don't necessarily have to use any of those videos, but just in case, you have them in reserve. And then over martinis, as you're becoming the best friend with these people, they start confiding in you, sensitive information, maybe in

[17:15] some cases classified information, and then you parrot that back to your handlers. That's what an access agent does >> in and of himself. Epstein didn't have access to classified information, but he got classified information from people around him who had access. I told you once before, and I've said this on other podcasts, but I'm going to repeat it. >> One of my instructors at the CIA when I was going through the operational training told me that the best recruitment he ever had in 30 plus years

[17:45] was the copy machine repair man. >> Yep. because he was able to put a device inside the prime minister's copy machine. So every time somebody made a copy, it transmitted a copy back to CIA headquarters. That's an access agent. >> Yes, >> that's gold. Now, one of the things I think a lot of people are confused on is conflating MSAD working on operations and the CIA working on operations. when it comes to anything especially you know uh things

[18:17] like Epstein or even like stuff that's happening in the media is there any chance that the CIA and the MSAD work together on things and share intelligence not on an not on an issue that includes American citizens or more specifically what are called US persons American citizens or anybody in the United States on a green card. So, so, so how would you imagine if the CIA was involved in

[18:48] Epstein and he was a Mossad access agent? What would be the CIA's involvement? >> The CIA's interest would be in doubling him back. But the CIA doesn't spy on Israel. >> Do you think it's possible the CIA does not spy on Israel? >> No, sir. >> Not since Richard Nixon was president. Okay. >> Forbidden. >> Um, seriously? >> Really? Mhm. So, do you do you think it's possible that CIA caught wind of what Epstein was doing and what the MSAD was using him for and

[19:19] said, "Hey, motherucker, we see what you're doing. You got to pay your tax to us to Epstein." And made him be like, "You got to give us whatever it is 1% for this information that you're giving to Msad." possible but not likely because what they would have had to do this would been have been a turf battle like to end all turf battles. You know how the CIA and the FBI are with each other. Yeah. >> So the CIA >> would have had to go to the FBI and the FBI would have made that approach because not only are you dealing with

[19:50] American citizens, you're dealing with American citizens who for the most part are doing these things on American soil, >> right? Yeah. So the f the the CIA certainly, you know, it it would have come to their attention, sure, but they would have had to go immediately to the FBI. >> So when the CIA and the MSAD work together, they work together in foreign countries on foreign operations. >> Exactly. >> Like something with with Iran or something like that. >> Exactly. Right.

[20:20] >> But in a case like Epstein or anything to do with America, American institutions or American people, there would be no chance. >> Zero. What is the like what is the overall sentiment at the CIA of the Mossad? >> There is great and deep respect for the Mossad's operational abilities and that was enhanced greatly by this pager and cell phone operation against >> Hezbollah. >> I'd love to talk about that if we have a

[20:51] minute. Um, otherwise there's we've we've never gotten along with myself >> over the years. Like going back to when you started. >> Not close at all. >> Why don't you get along? >> Because they're constantly trying to recruit us, to spy on us, to plant bugs in our headquarters. They harass our officers like as a matter of policy. And then, you know, the chief has to go in and say, "Stop harassing my officers. you know that they're not working

[21:22] against you, they're working with you and you still harass them and then they say, "Okay, okay." And they back back off for a year or two >> and then they start up again. You know, they they somebody I'll put it this way, somebody shot out the ambassador's uh tires once >> and uh you know, some very helpful fellows happened to pull right up >> and to help them, you know, change uh the tire >> and then when the ambassador and the

[21:52] driver got back in the car to to continue on, he realized his briefcase was missing. Oh my god, how could that happen? Stuff like that. M >> like is that really necessary? >> That that's basically the picture that's been painted to me by not just you but by other people that I've talked to like former intelligence community folks is the same thing. It's it's it seems like more of a like fed up annoyed >> um just like they're they're kind of a nuisance to us. >> Yes. because they are they are so

[22:23] effective and they are so persistent and >> oh my god they're so effective and they're effective because they they can't lose if they lose they die >> right >> right this thing I I'll tell you kind of something funny the the day after the pager operation where they essentially decapitated Hezbollah right now Hezbollah doesn't exist as as what it was it's going to come back of But right now there is no Hezbollah. So

[22:55] the day after I got a call from a Russian news channel and they said, "Would you come on and talk about this uh operation?" I said, "Sure." And they said, "Um, so this is a war crime, right?" And I said, "Well, yeah, technically, because you know, we know of of several cases where the guy that had the pager took the pager off his belt, put it on the table, sat down with his family to have dinner, the pager blew up, and killed the nine-year-old daughter." Right? So, technically, yeah, that's a war crime. >> So, yeah. Can you say that? Can you say

[23:26] it's a war crime? And I said, "Well, no. I think the point is that this is probably one of the most brilliant acts of genius operational planning I've ever seen in my life. Imagine the moving parts involved in an operation like this where you have to control everything from manufacturing, >> right? They had to start a shell company in some other country, right? >> Yeah. in multiple countries, Hungary, Taiwan. Not only do you have to do you have to manage manufacturing,

[23:56] you have to manage the entire supply chain, intercept these things at some point, pack them full of C4, but not too much because they need to still work as pagers, >> and then put them back into the supply chain again. And then once they arrive in Lebanon, make sure they get to your targets. And wasn't it like something around 10 years from the time they sold them to to Hezbollah from the time they actually deployed the the bomb? >> Six generations old. >> Crazy.

[24:27] >> Yeah. But Hezbollah didn't have the money for, you know, the new stuff. So they they said, "Well, you know, we can get thousands of these." >> I remember watching this incredible I think it was a 60 minutes thing I saw on this, but they were show they were they they created like full-on advertising campaigns, commercials, beautiful websites. They had sales people that were showing and displaying all this stuff to these people and like they like they literally created a a whole fake company marketing campaign that was totally believable to these people and

[24:58] and I think in that I mean I don't know how accurate or how real 60 Minutes is. I mean I'm sure it's pre-produced to some point but they had a MSAD agent that was like under a behind a shadow under a mask. changed his voice or whatever. >> And he was saying to this 60 Minutes interviewer, he said, um, we are the directors, the writers, and the producers of the movie that you call reality. He's like, it's all a stage. He's like, >> that's actually pretty profound.

[25:30] >> You think >> in that case? Yeah. >> In the case of the exp of the exploding pagers. >> Yeah. you know, having having worked in operations for quite some time at the CIA through things like, you know, the manhunt for Mir Malcanzi who who murdered two uh CIA officers and and wounded whatever it was, seven others in front of headquarters to to the hunt for Osama bin Laden or Carlos the Jackal, right? I've been around some pretty

[26:01] creative guys and and they're almost exclusively guys. pretty creative guys. I've never met anybody in my life who could come up with an operation like that. Nobody. This was genius. >> Yeah. >> And then the Russians were like, "Well, um uh so do you think that somebody's going to be prosecuted for this?" And I said, "On the contrary, somebody's going to get a promotion and a medal and a picture with the director of Mossad. >> This is like the greatest thing in

[26:32] somebody's career." or whoever came up with this, >> right? And what other operations do they have cooking right now? >> Seriously? Right. >> Right. That are like that or even more impressive, >> we've talked about FA, the TV show FA that streams on Netflix. And that's Shinbet, which is the domestic uh counterpart of it's the FBI of of Israel, >> right? >> And and look at the the Hollywood uh operations that they come up with. So multiply that times 10 >> and then throw in the Iranians >> and the Houthies and

[27:02] >> Hezbollah. >> Incredible. Looking back historically, >> what was that guy's name? It was like Eli Cohen or something like that. >> I think it was Eli Cohen. Do you mind googling it? I Yeah, >> I think it was Eli Cohen. Anyway, in the in the 50s, the early 60s, there's this guy Eli Cohen. He like works in a dry cleaners in Tel Aviv. and uh he he applies to uh Mossad cuz >> you know it sounds exciting and they're like yeah thanks we don't have any

[27:33] openings for dry cleaning clerks >> but he spoke absolutely perfect accentless Arabic and so a couple of years later >> Steve there we go there we go Eli Cohen >> there he is Cohen Eli Cohen >> Egyptianb born Israeli spy >> right so they call him back a couple of years later and they said, "Hey, we decided we do want to hire you for Mossad." So,

[28:03] they hire him and they said, "We want you to move to Syria. We're going to give you money and we want you to whine and dine all the movers and shakers in Syria and secretly report back to us." He was so good that he ends up being considered to be the uh deputy minister of defense of Syria. >> Wow. >> So the Russians, the KGB said to the Syrians, "There's something about this

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[35:46] campaigned on ending all the wars and he is. >> And he's literally doing everything this guy is telling him to do. >> Yeah. >> Which is not his mo at all. >> See, that makes me think that Patel and Bonino went to him and said, "Mr. president. Um, we found some [ __ ] up stuff and it's not what we thought we were going to find. It's this and he says, "We should probably try to kill this."

[36:17] I that that's the only conclusion I can draw. >> But here's my thing, though. If Epstein was an Israeli access agent and he had obviously we know he had every single room wired with hundreds of cameras and he has a obviously multiple hard drives with lots of video footage on it. >> Right. >> That is a thermonuclear weapon. >> Absolutely. >> For whoever I would assume Israel. >> Absolutely right. >> Right. So if you let that information leak out to the CIA, you your weapon is is worthless. >> Yeah. So, how do you think Bonino and

[36:50] Cash Patel would would be able to see and and and know what they have? Would how would they have access to this stuff? >> Well, I mean, in a perfect world, the FBI would have access to all of it. Now, yeah, you and I know that that's not the case. >> Um, but I think I I would expect that they would have access to significant portions of it at least. H >> and then getting back to Trump's >> well just because the federal government has been working this case for so long.

[37:22] Remember his Epstein's first um conviction was in 2006, >> right? >> So I mean there've got to be volumes of files on him, volumes of them. >> Um it's not like they're starting from scratch. They've known for a long time who Jeffrey Epstein was and what he was doing. >> Right. There's probably Right. Yeah. There's probably endless amounts of of footage and evidence that that probably implicates a lot of people, but I bet you like 1% of that with like the Bill

[37:53] Gates and Donald Trumps of the world, those ones are are locked away in a vault. >> You know what? There was a guy who was very very close to President Reagan. His name was uh Bloomingdale. He was the founder of Bloomingdale's uh department stores >> and the guy was a billionaire. He was a a member of what used to be called Reagan's kitchen cabinet. So it was all these these multi-millionaires and billionaires, old white men. They were all friends with Reagan going back to the 40s, right? So when he would return to California, they would always get

[38:25] together and at the ranch and they would play golf and they would talk about the issues and he would take advice from them. So Bloomingdale was banging his girlfriend and he had a heart attack and he died on top of her. Okay. And somebody leaked the story to the press. And so Reagan's knee-jerk reaction was to say, "Yeah, you know, I didn't really know him very well. I met him a few times." And then people are like, "Come on, man. He was your best friend. You've known

[38:57] him for 50 years." >> Mhm. >> And so somebody inside the White House got to Reagan and said, "Come on." So he came out and he made a completely different statement and he said, "Um, he was my best friend. I liked him and trusted him." >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry that things worked out the way that they did. That's between him and his God. It's like, okay, now doesn't it feel better to tell the truth, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you have nothing to hide, you didn't do anything, >> right?

[39:28] >> Just come out with the truth. That's how I feel about this Epstein case. Why are they still hiding it? If if if Cash Patel and Dan Bonino and Pam Bondi and Donald Trump are not involved, just come out with it. What do they have to lose? They have a lot to gain. >> There's a hard drive sitting in Tel Aviv right now. >> There has to be. There has to be. That has to be it. That's the only thing I can come up with. >> Right. >> It's the most obvious thing, right? If we want to obey uh AAM's razor

[40:00] >> Exactly. >> That's the most obvious thing. >> Mhm. >> It's lazy, you know? Like the cover up is very very lazy. Yes. If there is a cover up and it's not it's not thought out >> and especially when you have Elon going nuclear like this on everything. Like he just said Steve Bannon was in it. Yeah. >> And we know Steve Bannon the day uh the day Trump fired him, >> drove to Epstein's house in New York and did that interview with him. >> Yeah. Right. >> Which is allegedly hours long. The footage has been released of it >> where like Epstein basically said Trump was my best friend for two years.

[40:32] >> Um you know talked a lot said a lot of crazy details that came out which was like two minutes or five minutes or something like that but we know Bannon's been really close to him and has a bunch of footage of him. >> Mhm. >> So, you know, yeah, it's just a it's just a messy entangled web and there are lots and lot it seems like whatever it is it's got to be like the Rosetta Stone to basically kneecap every single powerful person in the world. >> Yeah. Except for Dersitz because

[41:02] remember he kept his underwear on. At least he told us that he kept his underwear on as the 16-year-old was massaging his 86y old body. >> Oh my god. One of the victim, the first two victims, the two sisters, it was Maria Farmer and I think Annie Farmer. Yeah. were some of the first they were ignored when they talked about their they gave their stories in the very beginning before Epste >> and they came out and they were explaining you know how you know Maria

[41:33] Farmer she worked the front desk at his Manhattan office >> and she talked about Bill Clinton and you know all of the the right-wing Clinton haters were like thank you Maria Farmer for coming out and exposing this Bill Clinton stuff >> and she was like you guys are living in La La Land. You don't get it. >> She's like, "You don't understand. Trump was here 3 days a week >> and she and there was the and there was an interview where she was on video saying talking about the day that Epstein brought Trump in for the first

[42:04] time and he was like looking her up and down like and then Epstein goes to her says to Trump, she's not for you. Like they want to ignore that, right? like everyone everybody was was a part of this and it's like >> it is uh it's it's mutually assured destruction if it gets out. >> What an awful system we have. >> And it is uh it's [ __ ] disgusting and you know >> but I I will never ever accept that there is not one single person worthy of an indictment besides Galain Maxwell.

[42:37] >> It's just not possible. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then the whole D did Diddy thing too. You know, apparently like the Diddy thing was was also like a similar operation. But >> I I'm proud to say that from the very beginning of the Diddy thing, I followed it very closely. I said, "He's an [ __ ] but I'm just not seeing a crime here." >> Right. And that's that's yeah, a a lot of people. And that's another another take that I've heard from my friend. I was actually recently on here. I was asking about the Diddy stuff and he was like, "I don't care." He was like, he

[43:11] goes, "Guin." He goes, "I assumed Diddy was doing this stuff." Sure. He's like, >> he's a billionaire. He can do anything he wants. >> Exactly. It's like, oh, oh, oh, you were raped. What was the cage they were keeping you in? What did that cage look like? Oh, you went home every night. Oh, what did the cops say? Oh, the cop Oh, you didn't you didn't go to the cops. Get the [ __ ] out of here. >> Oh, he gave you $50,000. >> Right. Right. Oh, and the same thing with Harvey Weinstein, right? The way one of the victims like, "Oh my god, he said if I didn't [ __ ] him, I couldn't be in a bunch of movies." Like, what would Harvey What would you say to Harvey

[43:42] Weinstein if he said, "Blow me and I'll put you in a bunch of movies." Uh, no. I I guess I'm not going to be in a bunch of movies. I guess I'll find another trade. >> And And wasn't it Brad Pitt who went to like punch him in the nose? >> Brad Pit was dating somebody. Oh, it was Goop, whatever her name is, uh, >> that punched him in the nose. He was dating her. The one that sells the vagina um uh scented candles. >> Oh, I don't know who is that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Her mom was a big Broadway star. She won an Academy Award.

[44:13] Um >> Gwyneth Paltro. >> Gwynneth Paltro. Thank you. Gwyneth Paltro. He's dating Gwynneth Paltro. And she went back from this meeting back home from this meeting with Weinstein and she said, "He told me I couldn't get the part unless I gave him a blowjob." And Brad Pit drove over there to punch him in the face. >> Really? Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I think like are these people like sick? Yeah. But, >> you know, it takes away from the real atrocities of like hundreds of thousands

[44:44] of children missing being trafficked across America. >> Got that right. >> You know, everyone wants to pay attention to Diddy and the sex parties and, you know, and these these people that are 18 and older >> doing sick, depraved [ __ ] to better their careers and to rub shoulders with more powerful people. But it's all a distraction. >> Yeah. And then you you you go to the for example the New York Post every day. I do. Um and they're like Lara Trump shows off her amazing abs in beach photo. What you need to know. >> Mhm.

[45:14] >> It's like this this is the news. Yes. That we need to know. >> Right. Um, so another thing I want to talk to you about is not only this debacle with all the Epstein file stuff, but this this whole war in Iran. >> Yeah. >> Um, you know, another thing that Trump campaigned on was no more wars. We're going to end all this war stuff. And it's not just Iran now. He just said he's going to give a bunch of more weapons to Ukraine >> and we'll talk. And it turned out that Hegsth cut off the weapons to Ukraine

[45:46] just a couple of days ago without telling Trump. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah, that was the what the Associated Press reported today. >> Oh, wow. >> So, Trump reversed him. >> Oh, Trump reversed it after he cut it off. >> And then, uh I want to talk about Russia, too. But so um the Iran stuff like that that's another thing where it's like it must be some sort of unbelievable leverage that he's able to pull Trump into this war with Iran. >> I've told you before

[46:17] >> every single time Benjamin Netanyahu came to uh to Washington going back to the the early 90s he's been here three times 80s. Yeah. He would ask whoever happened to be president to bomb Iran. >> Yes. >> I mean, he he was not even prime minister at the time early on. He was he was Israeli ambassador to the United Nations. You have to bomb Iran. Help us bomb Iran. Bomb Iran. Bomb Iran. And every single president said, "No." >> Mhm. >> Until Donald Trump, >> right, >> said, "Sure, we'll bomb Iran for you."

[46:49] >> And uh, you know, I know they have their slogan, death to America. Everyone's got to have their slogan though, you know. And watching the Tucker docu or the Tucker interview he did with the with the guy the president the other day was like 45minute interview. >> Whether he's full of [ __ ] or not, it seems like his the sentiment there was was like he doesn't want to fight. >> He doesn't, >> right? >> No, they don't want to fight. Things are actually going really well for the Iranians right now economically. They've got robust trade relations with the Russians, the Chinese, and the Indians.

[47:21] And despite the fact that we pulled out of the JCPOA, they continue to trade with the UK, the European Union, and Japan. >> So why upset the apple cart? I have a a very very close friend who um is Iranian-American and goes to Iran two three times a year. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. And she she told me she has sent me like she's sort of live streamed um while she was there. So I could just see what the

[47:52] >> How long ago? >> Um few weeks. >> Oh wow. >> And they lack for nothing. They have everything they need. It would be nice for them if they could buy spare parts for their old Boeing 727s. It would be nice if they could buy American dredging equipment to, you know, make it easier for ships to come in to pick up their oil. >> But they don't have to have that stuff, >> right? So, our our sanctions have failed. >> Oh, yeah. >> Failed.

[48:22] >> Especially in Russia, too, right? >> Yeah. Like Oh, yeah. Oh, no. They're they're perfectly >> They're fine. And what is that what does that tell the rest of the world when they find out our our sanctions are just >> We're a paper tiger. >> Paper tiger. >> You know, I went to uh uh Hong Kong uh last year. Last year. And one of the things really the only thing that surprised me about Hong Kong was in most places I went I couldn't use my credit card. Um they didn't take Mastercard and Visa. They took what they

[48:53] called Panda Card. >> And so I asked a a Chinese uh national a businesswoman what what's with this Panda card? What is that? And she said oh it's it's our version of a of a credit card. And I said, 'Why why use that instead of Mastercard or Visa? And she said, because every Mastercard and Visa transaction goes through New York and then is subject to sanctions and Panda Card goes through Shanghai and then they can tell us to screw our sanctions. >> Wow.

[49:24] >> Yeah, it's uh it's crazy. And Tucker posted those videos in Russia of the grocery stores and he said it was beautiful and like this amazing see like the sanctions are messing them messing with them at all. Mhm. >> And all you have all the gas >> that they could no longer sell to Western Europe, >> the Indians said, "We'll take it." >> So, do you think do you think Iran has a ton of sleeper cells here in this country that could threaten us? >> No, I think they have some sleeper cells. Yes. Um, not just here in the

[49:56] United States, but in Canada as well, and probably in um in the UK and France. uh in the 80s they were far more active with sleeper cells and they assassinated a lot of people mostly in France like former prime ministers, a former president. >> Um the FBI has arrested a handful of people for allegedly targeting Iranian journalists or Iranian dissident in in Brooklyn and Toronto and Vancouver, places like that. But then, you know,

[50:28] other Iranians say, "Nah, those those people that were being targeted allegedly were nobodies with no with no authority, you know, among the diaspora." >> Mhm. >> And so, is this governmentally sponsored or is it just criminal activity? But my guess is, sure, they probably have sleeper cells. We all do. M >> every every you know major country that has a serious intelligence service is

[51:00] going to have sleeper cells >> and and obviously there's a lot of foreign countries that like affect our media and that try to disseminate propaganda in the US. How much do you think how effective do you think they are or active are as is Iran in when it comes to like media and propaganda in the US >> almost they're they're not very active and no and not much of an influence at all. In fact, you can't even go to Press TV anymore. Press TV is the Iranian English language uh outlet. Uh the FBI

[51:32] seized PressTV.com >> uh back in 2019 maybe. >> Mhm. >> Uh just like they seized uh Tellesour, the the Venezuelan uh website. So you can't even you can't even get press TV. You have to go around it now. It's like press TV.ir I think is what it is. Um but no, it's it's it's hard for them to uh to sort of get a foothold in the American media. You know, the Russians were accused of

[52:02] of having done that very successfully and and now we all know that's [ __ ] And now now John Brennan and and Jim Comey are being investigated for lying to Congress about it. >> Yes, I saw that. >> Yeah. >> And God forgive me for gloating, but it's about time these guys got a taste of their own medicine. It's about time. >> Um, so what do you think is going to happen with this Iran conflict? like what what what if you uh like in your best guess uh how this plays out with your experience and what you know about

[52:33] these places and these guys that are behind all this, what how do you think it plays out? >> Well, I'm going to give you two answers. I'll give you how I think Donald Trump wants it to turn out >> and then how I think it's going to turn out. Trump really is the the dealmaker. He wants the big overarching allsettling deal. which is what he sees the Abraham Accords being. You know, you bring in the Saudis eventually and declare victory and get your Nobel Peace Prize

[53:04] and go home. Um so I think what he wants and I think what he thought he was going to get by by um attacking Iran was that he was going to frighten the Iranians into going to the negotiating table. Well, they were already at the negotiating table. We had had at least three rounds of negotiations, still at the technical stage, but negotiations nonetheless, face to face for the most part. Um, >> and the day of was like a 60-day a 60-day negotiating period, whatever. And

[53:34] like the last day, >> yeah. And then he bombed them. And then he says, "Now they're going to go to the table." And they were like, "Screw you. We're not going to We were already at the table." And then you bomb us. >> Yeah. Israel bombed him, right? No, we bomb we bombed them with the 50,000lb bombs or the 30,000lb bombs. >> I thought we did that after Israel bombed them. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Israel bombed the first. >> Right. Right. >> And then we went in with the big ones to uh the bunker busters. >> Yeah. It's like we were sitting at the negotiating table and then Israel blew up the negotiating table, >> which was the plan. >> Right.

[54:04] >> So, I think Trump believed that this would force the Iranians to accept a deal that they might otherwise not have accepted. What I think is gonna happen is Hey guys, if you're not already subscribed, please hammer the subscribe button below and hit the like button on the video. Back to the show, because we're the only ones who don't seem to realize that sanctions don't work. And the Iranians don't really need the United States for for anything. and and

[54:36] we're too fickle to deal with anyway if you're Iran, you know, with banking sanctions and personal sanctions and dual use sanctions and I mean, we can't even bring carpets and caviar back into the country. So, they're like, it's just not worth dealing with the Americans. They'll negotiate a deal, then pull out. Then they want to negotiate essentially the same deal, and then they blow us up, and then they tell us we want to negotiate a deal. It's like, screw that. We're going to go with the Russians and the Chinese, >> right? I think that's what's going to happen.

[55:06] >> It's interesting that the Russian there there doesn't nothing that I've noticed. No chatter from either of their governments about this Iran. >> Isn't that interesting? I said the same thing in an op-ed that it was very surprising to me that even the Russians didn't say anything. >> Yeah. >> Nothing. You know, the Chinese have this long history of anti-imperialism. Tibet aside, and we can have a whole

[55:37] conversation about Tibet, you know, someday, but the they had like a little border skirmish in the 70s with with Vietnam. They had a little border skirmish, two of them, with the Indians where they'll fire, you know, a couple of rounds across the border. That's it. The Chinese don't go around invading other countries. They They just never have. It's just not >> I mean they were invited into North Korea but anyway they're not like us where we we will invade uh you know Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia and Libya

[56:09] and Syria and move here and move there and the Chinese don't do that. >> Right? >> So the Chinese will make a little vanilla statement at the United Nations saying uh it's wrong to bomb Iran. Shouldn't have done that and then that's that's it. That's the end of it. they would much rather focus on belt and road and investing in infrastructure and you know exchanging uh cultural delegations. >> They're much better at that than we are. >> Well, I can see like from Iran's point of view uh I don't know whether they

[56:40] have been trying to make a nuke or if they do have a nuke or well I don't know I don't know jack [ __ ] but I would imagine if I was Iran I would want to have a nuke. Well, now you have to. >> You have to. Right. Because the only people we don't [ __ ] with are the ones that have nukes. Like look at North Korea. >> That's right. >> Kim Jong-un is probably going to die in his bed of old age. >> That's right. >> Cuz he decid because Kim Jong- decided to start the nuclear program and they have [ __ ] tons of nukes and we don't mess with them. So >> I agree. If and I don't believe that they had a a weapons program. Um, you

[57:10] know, the CIA has consistently um published national intelligence estimates saying that in 2003, Ayatollah Kamayi ended what had been a nuclear weapons program and they have not had a program for the last 22 years. They just made a policy decision not to have it. But the more we were a threat and the more the Israelis were a threat, then they started um enriching uranium to more and more purity. So from 9% it

[57:43] went to 35. From 35 to 67, it needs to be in the '90s to be weapons quality. Even then they don't have a delivery system. >> But you know, if they wanted to have weapons uh plutonium, they could. They've chosen not to. I think now they're going to have to to protect themselves. And then what happens? Then the Saudis are going to want I mean the Saudis have long wanted a nuclear uh weapons program, but they never had the guts to do it, you

[58:14] know, in in the face of American opposition. So did the Saudis then try to develop a program? Did the Egyptians? >> We must know. We must have people. We must the CIA must have people embedded in Iran's nuclear program or in inside with the scientists, right? >> I don't know, man. I I'm not sure that we're really that good. I know the Israelis do, of course, because the Israelis are constantly killing these guys, whether, you know, it's in Thran or it's at some seminar in in Vienna or

[58:47] Geneva or whatever. I I'm just not sure that we have the language abilities or the ability to get inside the country. You see, one of the things that the Iranians are very good at is when the Israelis started killing nuclear scientists outside of Iran. They just stopped letting their scientists go outside of Iran. >> So, you have to actually be in Iran to do it. Well, we don't have a presence in Iran because we don't have an embassy in Iran. there's no diplomatic

[59:18] relationship. >> Um, but the Israelis have a lot of Iranian-B born Jews who speak fluent, flawless, accentless Farsy and who can fit right in >> and they can identify the apartment blocks where these guys live and then the Israelis can fire a rocket and if they have to kill everybody in the apartment building or everybody on that block, >> they'll take out every leader of the Iranian weapons program. See, I was just watching this show. It

[59:48] was called uh what was it called? It was a show on Apple about uh basically about CIA, about this guy who worked for the CIA. And there was this girl that they were uh bringing up this young girl. And they were basically training her to go to college, go to the she has to go to this college just to get her degree in this in this program with this uh this group um some sort of scientific thing. and she had to rise all the way to the top. And the head of that uh PhD

[1:00:19] department at that school, picked three people every year to go to Iran to do to work on some sort of abroad program that Iran invites people to do. And uh she figured out a way to make that happen to where like she got picked by this university to go into Iran and it was just like everything about her was fake, right? like she like she wasn't even interested in that in that that study but she had to do it. She had to get the degree the PhD over years >> somehow like like convince herself to

[1:00:51] like to like seduce the guy who made the picks who got to go to Iran at the top top of the college program and like and like eventually get into Iran and like the people within the IRGC starts like interrogating you when you get there. So like >> I don't know. I mean, obviously it's a fiction show, Sure. But I, you know, usually the the the um the sci-fi stuff or like this the the fiction is more >> close to reality than like the documentary stuff. >> See, and that's something that the

[1:01:21] Russians have been so good at for so many decades. >> Mhm. >> We don't have sleeper cells like the Russian definition of a sleeper cell. We have nonofficial cover where you're, you know, some deep non-governmental cover and you're in a a country for 10 years or 20 years or whatever. Not 20, but 10 years. Um, the Russians though will send you, you know, you you turn 18 and they'll send you to college here and nobody

[1:01:53] knows you're Russian because your English is so good. or they think you're, you know, Brazilian, which actually happened a couple of years ago, just just a couple of years ago. Um, this Brazilian guy was arrested and turned out he wasn't Brazilian at all. He was Russian, pretending to be Brazilian. But they'll have you just work a normal 9 toive job and you might do that for 10, 12, 15 years until you're activated. And then when you're activated, then you go operational and you do what they trained you to do. But you may sit there for decades and do nothing just knowing that someday

[1:02:27] you're going to get that call. >> Yeah. Yeah, I was reading an article about this um that this guy Jack Murphy did and he was talking about these Ukra these sleeper cells that were inside Russia that have been in there for decades or over a decade and they had um I forget what the word was, but they had places where they buried ammunition and weapons, >> right? And they would like those were the marks like when they got the call or when they got the the signal to activate they had to go into the woods and like dig up all the weapons and stuff that

[1:02:58] they buried there you know a long time ago. >> Yeah. >> And this was like I think in the during the beginning of the Ukraine war or whatever and these guys were conducting like sabotage operations inside Russia >> right >> and it was a proxy. It was like a proxy it was a NATO proxy intelligence service or whatever. >> Sure. >> Because you because CIA couldn't wasn't allowed. >> No. Can't do it. It's denied area. Did Did you watch The Sopranos? >> Oh, of course. >> So, do you remember when Junior was first starting to lose his mind? He couldn't find his money and he said he said uh [ __ ] [ __ ] Malanga had stolen

[1:03:28] his money and Tony said, "Did you wrap it properly? If you didn't wrap it properly, it can get moldy." It's because they bury their money. It's the same thing. >> All that stuff has to be perfectly preserved >> so that it doesn't get rusty. It doesn't get moldy. It doesn't just sort of fall apart because someday >> you're going to need to give somebody a map with a little X on it so he can dig it up and use it for an operation, >> right? Yeah. Could you imagine what a decade would do of a of a like an

[1:04:00] assault rifle being buried or like an explosive? >> Yeah, that's man. >> What do you make of uh this this stuff that just came out? Trump said that he's going to bomb Moscow for some reason or whatever. like he's not getting along with Putin right now. >> What is this all about? >> Trump is Trump is just apoplelectic that Putin is not doing what he tells him to do. >> When when Trump said during the campaign, I'm going to end this war in 24 hours. >> He believed that he was going to end the

[1:04:31] war. Not in 24 hours, of course, but he believed that it was just a question of talking tough and forcing both sides to the uh to the table. And I think Trump really believed during the campaign too that it was the Ukrainians who were being intrigent. And as it turns out, it's not the Ukrainians being intrigent. It's >> that mean what is that word? >> Intrigent that they're that they don't want to do as they're told. They they don't want to >> to go to the table and give up their

[1:05:01] >> liberty and their sovereignty. >> Okay. So, he's had several conversations with uh with Putin and Putin has told him go fly a kite. And then Putin made a comment the other day, and this is what led to the Trump statement. Putin made a comment that, you know, maybe I'll take all of Ukraine after all because the official Russian policy has always been Donetsk and Luhansk, right? The Donbass >> and Crimea, >> right? >> Well, now maybe I'll take the whole damn

[1:05:33] thing. And what led him to say that? >> I think he's tired of Trump calling him up and yelling at him and saying settle this thing. He doesn't want to settle it. Yesterday, yesterday the White House announced new sanctions on Russia. >> I saw that. >> Like, what sanctions could possibly be left? >> Right. Yeah. And how would how would that work? Do you think there was something this I I just read it this morning where there was the drone swarms Russia was sending

[1:06:05] into Ukraine. >> Yeah. On an unprecedented level. Yeah. Hundreds and hundreds of drones. And they're hitting civilian targets, too. Right. >> They blew up they blew up one of the Ukrainian Orthodox cathedrals yesterday like in in >> Can you find that story? >> Is it Sunumi? I think is the name of the town. >> Yeah. >> Cathedral's like 800 years old. They just blew it to bits. Yeah, >> collapse the dome. >> Yeah, it seemed like it was calming down and now all of a sudden it seems like it's heating back up and like how would

[1:06:36] >> and he's sending more money to Ukraine now. And what what the [ __ ] is happening? Well, you know, I think I think that that Putin is making a uh making a tactical mistake here, too, >> in that he feels emboldened because he has essentially an unlimited number of North Korean troops >> that are being sent to fight, >> right? And the North Koreans fight to the death. They they don't want to be taken prisoner. and their bodies are

[1:07:06] found like with propaganda stuffed in their in their pockets that your your last your last sentence has to be to glorify the great leader >> for example. >> Um but where I think he's underestimating the effect of the war is that every Russian family has been touched by loss. It's it's like how during the American Civil War, every American family was touched by loss. A lot of

[1:07:37] people have died. Like, how much how much longer can you go? There are only so many North Koreans that are going to fight for you. >> But otherwise, you know, this whole generation has been devastated. >> Did you see there was um >> Okay, what is this? Oh, the CNN Russian drone swarm Kia from all sides. is an apparent shift of tactics. >> Go to the uh the top. Hundreds of Russian drones flying from all directions uh attacked

[1:08:09] Kiev. Can you zoom in a little bit? Overnight into Thursday in an apparent uh new Russian tactic, making a second consecutive night of ferocious ferocious attacks on Ukraines. At least two people were killed, including a 22-y old police officer. Wow. Uh, Russia launched 400 drones and 18 missiles, including eight ballistic, six cruise missiles, >> according to Telegram post from Ukraine Ukraine President Voldemar Zalinski. >> This just posted. >> Wow,

[1:08:39] >> that's >> Oh, that's that happened just in the last couple of hours. >> That was just posted this morning. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Aren't they conscripting everyone from the prisons in Russia? Yeah. >> They're sending prisoners out there. >> Yeah. Right. >> So, what do they say? They're saying they're saying you can be be released and go fight and try to try to survive and try to save your country or you can stay locked up. >> Yeah, it's not a good situation. I I actually feel for Trump on this because I I believed

[1:09:09] what he believed that there was this issue of saving face and if both sides could save face I thought that the I thought that the Ukrainians would agree to give up the Donbass and Crimea well I mean they've already they lost Crimea 11 years ago but just to make it official all those people that live there are ethnic Russians anyway >> right >> um and then there would be a fast track to European Union membership But uh but no, I was wrong. >> So I don't understand like why what is

[1:09:41] getting in the way of this? He he's not like so so what does Trump want from Putin that Putin is not willing to not willing to work with him on this and and making him do stuff like this and send these 400 drones and just like escalate it even more. >> He wants that agreement. Yeah. He wants that agreement >> that he won't push past Don Boss and Crimea >> and Putin's saying no. >> No. >> See, that's not what I that's not what I imagined was going to I I thought before all this before Trump got in, I imagine

[1:10:12] Trump or Putin would be more than willing. >> We all did. >> Yeah, we all did. And even in the beginning of the war, I think you might be the person, you might have been the person who told me this uh in like the first year uh maybe even exactly one year into the war, one of the top military generals uh came out and talked about how uh we had Russia on their heels after this one big battle victory that we that we had and that was the time to go to the negotiating table, right? And then Biden admin the Biden

[1:10:43] people just said, "No, [ __ ] off. We're not we're not >> negotiating." Push them. Yeah. No negotiations. That was the Biden position. No negotiations. >> Yes. >> Remember, it was even regime change for a little while. >> Yeah. >> It's like, and who the [ __ ] are we to decide who's going to lead Russia or any other country? >> Do you think it's So, what was his uh Lindsey Graham came out and said there's trillions of dollar trillions of dollars worth of natural resources and minerals. >> I remember that. >> In Ukraine, >> rare earth metals. >> Rare earth metals. Yeah. Mhm.

[1:11:15] >> And we can't let China get them, >> right? Well, you know, the the ugly truth of that is that the Chinese are the only ones willing to take the financial loss of mining and refining the ore. Rare earth metals, of course, are important because they go in everything. Everything from, you know, from missile cruise systems to our cell phones to car bumpers. They're in everything and we we really need them. And most of these rare earth medals are in places like the Democratic Republic of Congo,

[1:11:46] >> Mexico, >> Mexico, Australia, the United States, especially Alaska, under the Sultan Sea in California, Afghanistan, and Ukraine. The problem is that you've got to mine like tons and tons and tons of ore to get just a little bit I mean of of uh earth to just get a little bit of uh of these rare earth metals. So they're money losers. Well, we don't refine any of it because

[1:12:17] it's so expensive and you just can't make a profit. Chinese are happy to do it. So almost all the rare earth metals that are mined are processed in China. So here's the United States. We need let's say um I can't even think of chromium. We need chromium for something. And we don't have chromium. Oh, thanks. We don't have chromium. So we buy it from the Chinese.

[1:12:48] >> Well, what if we need it for our missile systems? Are the Chinese going to cut us off? Maybe they haven't in the past because we would treat that as an act of war >> and you know it's an existential threat. So I mean I don't know. Are we willing to take that on? So far the answer is no. >> Yeah. And it's crazy too that the Chinese that they're mining mining lithium everywhere, you know, including right on the American Mexico border. >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. And they're hiring the cartels to be to be security for

[1:13:19] >> them. That's right. You know, I saw something in the Associated Press today that was shocking to me. You know how, sorry to change the subject, but talk about the border. >> You know how when you go to a bank, if you deposit or withdraw $10,000 or more, you have to fill out a form for the IRS, right? And it's to prevent money laundering. Mhm. >> Today, the Trump administration changed the rule so that if you're in a border county, that is a county that borders

[1:13:51] Mexico, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, >> the limit is 200 bucks >> before you have to fill out >> 200 bucks. Like, h how can you live? >> That's crazy. Wait, every time you go to the grocery store and you stock up on groceries, you have to tell the IRS. >> There it is. >> Is that it? That's it. >> There it is. >> El Paso, Texas. The federal government is expanding its financial surveillance efforts targeting cash transactions over

[1:14:23] $200 in uh select border communities, including El Paso. Uh, the new geographic targeting order, GTO, issued by the Treasury Department will require businesses to fulfill money orders and cash checks to report any transactions over $200. Wow. >> Amazing. >> So, this scares the [ __ ] out of me. >> Money laundering by Mexican cartels. >> This scares the absolute crap out of me. Um, a couple months ago, >> look at all those counties. Look at all the zip codes. >> Oh my god. >> Incredible. >> That's insane.

[1:14:55] >> Wow. There's uh one, two, three, four in Imperial County, California. San Diego County. One, two, three, four, five, six, at least seven in San Diego. Uh that's a lot. >> That's a lot. Yeah. >> Yeah. The the bank what's happening like banking the central banking system is really scaring me lately, especially cuz what what happened to me a couple months ago, I tried taking a bunch of money out of my one of my bank accounts, one of my checking accounts, and putting it into Coinbase. >> Sure. And uh I went to the I had to do a

[1:15:27] wire and I tried to do the wire online, wouldn't let me do it. So I went into my local uh bank branch >> and sat down with the guy in the little cubicle office, whatever, and like walked it through, brought my showed him my ID. I need to wire this amount of money to this Coinbase account. And he's like, "Okay, yeah, no problem." Whatever. We did it. I sat there for 10 10 15 minutes. We did it. And uh it got denied. >> What? I got I got a call from Chase Fraud and they made me answer all these weird questions like what was the color of your first car? Have you ever heard

[1:15:58] of Coinbase? Who told you about Coinbase? What what is your education on crypto? Who told you about crypto? Um all these really obscure questions that was like it was like going in a circle and it was like some of them are irrelevant. Some of them make sense, right? If you want to >> confirm that I'm me transferring this money out of my account, right? I was just sitting in there with the guy at the I gave him my ID. >> Yeah. And uh I answered all the questions whatever for on the phone 10 minutes with this person and then I get a message an hour later you're you're denied. The the the fraud department

[1:16:29] says no this is too risky. So I went in again then the following week to do the same thing again. >> Wow. >> I end up going into the bank the the bank physical bank doing this process like six times and every single time fraud kicked it back and would not let me wire my money out of my my bank account. >> Your own money. >> My own my own money. Eventually, after like two months, I finally got it to work after they like they escalated it and escalated up the chain of command at the bank because they're like, "We we have no idea why this is happening."

[1:16:59] Like, usually there's like a a a reasonable amount of security when you're trying to transfer do a wire to a crypto company like Coinbase for the first time, right? But this is ridiculous. >> Wow. This is ridiculous. >> And that scared the [ __ ] out of me. Like, how much of my money do I really have access to if I need it? >> Yeah. you know, like you really have to diversify out of >> the first I've heard of this happening. >> Yeah. And then like what we were talking about before the show started with this with this genius act and the stable coins. >> Um I had this lady come on here and

[1:17:31] articulate this really beautifully to me. Her name is Katherine Fitz. She was the head of the uh she was head of the department of HUD >> during Clinton I think or no Bush one maybe. Bush one. No, I remember. I thought it was HW >> HW Bush. Okay, there we go. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it was during it was during all the financial fraud. It was the the the housing fraud stuff. Sure. >> And she was brought in to try to like fix that problem, right? She's like a math genius. >> And she was explaining to me how with

[1:18:04] the Genius Act and how they want to bring in these stable coins and make this like the primary uh way that transactions are done. and she was saying like to incentivize people to use these stable coins like uh they're going to start like giving you loan incentives like remember how they dropped off all those pallets of cash in Afghanistan. It's like it's going to be the same thing with stable coins. They're going to get everyone hooked on these stable coins and they're going to use that to control people with a with a digital social credit score system or whatever because so so this is out of black mirror.

[1:18:34] >> This is how she explained it to me, right? I mean and and this can be you know sometimes really really smart people can be crazy, right? Okay. And this sounds crazy at face value, but but just just try to stick with me here. She says Elon, which is true, has been really obsessed with the uh the Chinese WeChat system where basically they have social media, banking, communication, personal communication, all in this one little WeChat thing, right? Where the CCP can monitor it and and and everything. >> And if you're not Chinese, you have to

[1:19:05] be invited into WeChat by a Chinese citizen. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Yeah. So when he bought X, he was kind of like bragging about how impressed he was with WeChat and it would be cool to be able to do all this kind of stuff on X. So then he did Doge to find all this waste, fraud, and abuse, right? And he started ripping through the IRS data, the HHS data, the Treasury data, and he was at the same time getting a bunch of money with with XAI. And he was developing XAI and he was partnering with Palanteer's

[1:19:37] AI. Yes. And Palanteer just like two three weeks ago got a $800 million uh paycheck from the Pentagon to do whatever the hell Palunteer is doing with their AI. And so so he's using X AI and Palunteer AI and integrating it with all this data that they're sucking out of the IRS, the HHS, and the Treasury Department. She said, "If I wanted to create a complete digital social control grid in the United States, that's exactly what I would do to do it." She goes, "I would take all that data and

[1:20:07] then I would bring in stable coins >> and it would be the perfect [ __ ] uh digital social credit system in the United States if you got if you had all that data and you integrated with AI and then you brought in stable coins. >> My god." >> So, and that that just like you know freaking out jumping up and down about >> Well, this is her other point. The day before 911, what was it? Rumsfeld came out and said there was $2 trillion missing from the Pentagon. Right. >> Right.

[1:20:37] >> That's now since ballooned to like 20some trillion. >> Yeah. I think it was 23 was the last number I saw. >> So she goes, "If I'm Elon and I'm looking for missing money, waste, fraud, and abuse, the Pentagon has $21 trillion missing. Why are you [ __ ] around with the IRS?" >> And so and and HHS and all and all this stuff. Yep. >> Right. >> Yep. In fact, Trump not too terribly long ago when when he was still speaking to Elon um said that he was going to pursue a 40% cut

[1:21:08] >> at the Pentagon over I think it was 10 years or eight years or whatever it was. And I was like, "Oh my god, kudos to him. The thing needs to be slashed." And then that just went away. And in the latest budget, you know, they have over a trillion dollars >> just for the Pentagon. Yeah, that's exactly what the debt is, too, right? I think that I think our debt our our interest per year is like a trillion dollars. That's insane. >> Yeah, I was just listening to the interview with Thomas Massie. He did a interview with Great >> He did an interview with uh Theo Vaughn, right?

[1:21:38] >> And he was explaining all stuff. >> Thomas Massie, interesting guy, man. He he lives in like a trailer or something like this and he like does his own farming and he he has these chickens. He raises his own chickens and the chicken coupe is like a Roomba. It like moves around the yard so the chickens can roam and not be like in their own [ __ ] all the time. >> That's funny. >> Wild. >> I've been to a couple of baseball games with him. My friend and attorney um Bruce Fine is his attorney and legislative adviser. >> Mhm.

[1:22:08] >> And uh Massiey's a big baseball fan. So we go to a few um nationals games every year. He is a sweetheart of a guy. >> His wife just died though last year. >> Yeah. Last year. >> Yeah. It was my understanding that she had been suffering from cancer for a while. >> Right. Right. >> But um one of the things about Massie, he's the young Ron Paul and he's not afraid of anybody. >> Right. >> There was a there was a piece in the Washington Post today saying that, you know, Trump is already laying the groundwork to primary Massie, right?

[1:22:38] They're going to find somebody to run against Massie. And in Massiey's district, nobody cares. They love the guy. M >> he does exactly what he says he's going to do, >> right? >> And so they're not afraid of any primary challenger to him. >> Yeah. He was explaining how his relationship with Donald Trump has been up and down over the years. >> It has been sometimes they're they're as close as close can be and other times they're at open war. >> Yeah. Well, he was he was explaining a moment where um after his wife passed away, how Trump called him up or sent

[1:23:10] him a long text, one of the two. And he was just like, you know, really really apologetic to him and just like saying, you know, I'm really sorry, you know, all this stuff. You're you and your wife, your wife was tough. So were you and all this stuff. He was being very kind to him. >> And um >> Thomas was like, you know, I'm glad you called because I I was thinking about endorsing you. He's like, "Oh, that's great. Isn't that wonderful? But like it seems like they they have like a I don't know how what their relationship is now, but um it's he

[1:23:40] didn't really he he had a lot of nice things to say about him. >> Well, it's funny. Trump says a lot about Massie. Massie never says anything about Trump. >> H >> Yeah. Massie talks about policy. >> Yeah. >> And policy disagreements that they have, >> but he never ever attacks Trump. >> Interesting. Yeah. So, so the story with Massie, he is one of the only guys in Congress that will not accept any sort of political donations. Is that it? Or is it only from for a government? >> Um, oh, no, no, you can't accept

[1:24:12] anything from a foreign government. >> Oh, but Apac Apac is technically American. >> They're they're special, >> right? >> Yeah, they're special. Yeah, >> there I last time I was I was here talking to you, we talked about William Proxm. Do you remember that? and the Golden Fleece Award. >> We talked about that. >> Uhuh. So, William Proxm >> was a senator, a Democratic senator from Wisconsin. He won a special election in the 1950s to replace >> Joe McCarthy. Right. And he would give

[1:24:42] this golden fleece award um every couple of months. He would just pour through the federal budget line by line and he would find like, oh, $6 million to study the sexual habits of, you know, cockroaches, right? Ah, that's waste fraud abuse. Actually, there is no program to study the sexual habits of cockroaches. That is a secret CIA black budget program that's just embedded in the budget that nobody's supposed to notice. >> Yes. >> So, they hated him at the >> studying gay monkeys in the Congo. But

[1:25:13] anyway, in the Almanac of American Politics, every two years when it would be republished and it would have the campaign finance information, right, where everybody's like, how much money did they spend in their last re-election campaign? 36 million, 120 million for Proxm. Zero. >> Every single time he would go to the local courthouse, he would pay the $15 filing fee out of his pocket and then that was it. There was no advertising. There was no campaign office. There was

[1:25:44] no travel. There was no nothing. >> How many times did he win? >> He won from 19 like 57 until 1996 maybe 98. >> Crap. >> Yeah. >> That's wild. >> Massiey's like that. >> Yeah. >> I have great respect for him. >> Well, because you can tell he's you can tell he's speaking from the heart. You can tell he's being honest. Yeah, >> he's the actual complete opposite of Ted

[1:26:15] Cruz. >> Oh, >> did you see the Ted Cruz Tucker Carlson? >> I did. >> Tucker humiliated him. >> Oh my god. >> And he watched Why did he even agree to that? >> Yeah. Why? >> Cuz the second the the second the camera started rolling, it was just like they were going at it already. >> He is so arrogant to think that he just doesn't have to prepare for things like that. And Tucker Carlson is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met in my life. >> He knows every little obscure fact about every conflict that's ever happened that

[1:26:46] the US has been involved in anywhere. Like it's crazy. >> That's right. >> He knows so much. >> Mhm. And he can he can do deep dives on all kinds of different issues. So Cruz went in there >> like what a fool. He just didn't bother to prepare. Like you want to launch war on Iran and you don't even know how many people are there. M >> what kind of military planning are you going to participate in? >> It's amazing to see people like I like I told you in the beginning, people like Tucker, people like, you know, love her or hate her, whatever your feelings are

[1:27:17] on her, Candace Owens. >> Sure. Um >> have actually begun turning on Candace Owens. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. She's actually been okay. >> Yeah, she hasn't been bad. There's some crazy stuff. I mean, >> yeah, there's crazy stuff. the whole thing with the with like you know God bless her but she's doing this whole thing on the Mcronone thing like wild like that >> and then she you know whatever anyways like so so her >> uh Tucker, Elon, even Rogan like these guys seem to be like slowly starting to like peel themselves away from

[1:27:50] >> the Trump thing and they all like fully endorsed him obviously. Um, but there's like it seems like there's a shift happening and I don't know if it's ever going to be possible for there to be another party, like a third party >> like Elon's talking about. >> Nope. >> But >> it's not 1880 anymore. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No more third parties. Not real ones anyway. >> Mhm. But it's wild to see that because the all those people have the biggest voices, >> right? >> They sure do. And it's it's insane to me that these people in Congress, even

[1:28:22] Trump, can just go about their days ignoring this, you know, when it's like a very strong undercurrent in society right now. >> Yes. >> That everyone's talking about. >> Don't forget though, Trump doesn't Trump isn't running for reelection, >> right? That's true. >> He's got He's got like,200 days left. >> Yeah. I'm not sure he really cares. >> I think he's starting to think about his legacy like every president does in the second term. Mhm. >> He's thinking about the Donald Trump Presidential Library. He's thinking about that Nobel Peace Prize. >> And he wants to leave something that's permanent like like the Abraham Accords,

[1:28:55] for example. >> I think he doesn't really care if there's a split between the MAGA Republicans and the neocons. >> He got his big beautiful bill through Congress. I think he probably has concluded he's going to lose the House uh in the next election. I think Republicans are safe in the Senate. uh but he'll lose the house. So any big legislative uh uh act has taken place. It's done. >> His big beautiful bill that's going to

[1:29:25] be the end of it. >> All right, hold that thought. I got to take a leak real quick. >> We'll be right back. >> Really? Yeah. Why are they saying that? >> Because he can't run for reelection. Oh, D. Santis can't run for reelection. And um >> and the Senate seats are taken. So, he's he's done. >> Really? >> He's going to go practice law someplace. Nobody's ever going to they're not even going to remember his name in a couple years. >> It's crazy because he was like on the top of Mount Rushmore in Florida during co

[1:29:57] >> handled it very well. >> Mhm. Yeah, >> he did. >> The best probably. He handled it the best. >> Right. You know, we had the monoconal antibodies before Biden pulled him. >> Yep. >> And uh this whole thing about him literally going to a foreign country to sign a freaking blasphemy law in Florida about like it's like a it's like an affirmative action law, right? Basically, isn't it? >> We had the last 10 years or whatever of like [ __ ] your feelings and snowflakes. >> That's right. >> And then now we come and do this and

[1:30:28] it's like a it's like a we're just adopting all all the stuff. the the right-wing people are just adopting all like the DEI woke stuff that the they were accusing the left people of >> absolutely true implementing. >> These parties are the same. >> They are. >> They really are. >> That's why, you know, I I got such I am getting such chuckle out of this uh America party. We've got a right of center party and we have a farther right of center party and now we're going to have a party that's in the middle of the two right of center parties. >> It's like what kind of system is that?

[1:30:58] >> Is is there any way to fix this stuff? this this lobbying in Congress and and like stuff that Thomas Massie points out. >> Not if you are not willing to go after Apac. You have to go after Apac. >> That's our fault, right? That's not That's not their fault. We That's our fault. >> That's our We let them do that. >> Yes. From the very beginning. H >> how do you how do you get rid of that? Who's blocking that? >> Is it the people just in the government just like the big money people? >> Cowed. >> They are. Everybody's afraid of Apac because if you look at them cockeyed,

[1:31:28] they're going to primary you and nobody wants that. And they have success, you know. Look at Cy Bush. She was a congresswoman for what, two years? >> And they were like, "Yeah, we don't like her. She's gone." >> And then she was gone. >> But don't other foreign countries lobby too here like like do it through shell companies kind of like the way >> No, no. They they hire lobbyists and those lobbyists register um as Sorry, do I keep kicking you? No. Oh, good. Okay.

[1:31:58] >> They register as as uh representatives of a foreign um of a foreign government. It you just you just fill out a form. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. >> But the Israelis are like, "Oh, no, no, no. Apac is totally independent of the Isra of the Israeli government." >> Mhm. They're no ties to the Israeli government. They're acting completely on their own. They don't represent us, >> right? >> It's like, okay, >> sure. >> And now, uh, I guess Harvard is suing Trump and Trump's suing Harvard.

[1:32:30] >> Yeah. >> And because, uh, they're saying if you protest if you protest the Israel war, >> if you protest against Israel, you lose your >> anti-semitic and then you lose all your funding. That's it. >> Or if you're illegal, you get deported. >> Yeah. And he did the same with Colombia, which is, first of all, it's distracting because it's stupid. It's just a stupid policy, >> right? >> Um, and secondly, it it does damage like constitutional damage to freedom of speech. >> You know, GW is the same way. I stopped giving I I graduated from GW. I both my

[1:33:02] degrees from from GW. And I stopped giving money because um I got one of these automated emails from the new president of the university. This is when the uh the little tent cities were popping up on campuses. >> Yeah. and she said, "We will do whatever we can to crush them and we are bringing in the Metropolitan Police and they're going to work with campus police and we're going to destroy the tents and rest assured we stand with Israel." Why? Why do you stand with Israel?

[1:33:33] Were you standing with Israel when they blew up the oldest continually operating church in the world, St. Pfurious, and killed 24 women and children inside? Are you standing with them then? Are you standing with them as they blew up all seven of Gaza's hospitals >> and killed now how many hundreds of thousands of civilians? >> Right. >> Cuz if you're standing with that, I'm not standing with you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like why is it why is it our responsibility to to unfuck Gaza?

[1:34:05] >> Exactly. That sounds like a them problem, not a not a we problem. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. >> When 17,000 kids are reported to be dead. Exactly right. >> What is there for us? >> Real estate property. Is that really it? Is it real estate? Like what what is it? >> I do think that Trump is that cynical that it's it's about real estate in the back of his mind or maybe it's in the front of his mind. But my god, the problem is so much more important than that. You know, I went to I went to Israel twice in in 2022. The second time

[1:34:36] I was there. First Yeah. No, the first time I was there in 2022, I went for the elections to cover the elections >> and I was much more portly back then and my very last day um I had a stretch of time where I was free almost the whole day. So I thought I'm going to go do the things that I haven't had a chance to do. So, I wanted to see like the Virgin Mary's tomb, for example. And I wanted

[1:35:09] to go to the Garden of Gethsemane. Jerusalem is very small. You can walk to everything. It's it's really like crazy. When >> Where's the Garden of Gethsemane? >> It's directly across from the Dome of the Rock. >> Really? >> Outside the the walls. Yeah. Crazy. It's like uh Yeah, that's >> Steve. I need a photo of the Garden of Gethsemane. I'm sorry. >> So, >> continue. Sorry. >> I was portier at the time. Mhm. >> by about 115 pounds. And it was hot that day. So, the Garden of Gethsemane is up

[1:35:40] on the on the Mount of Olives. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. That's it right there. >> Oh, wow. Look at that. It's beautiful. >> It is. It's gorgeous. And those olive trees are direct descendants of the olive trees that were there 2,000 years ago. They've done they've done DNA testing. It's very cool. They're they're unique to to that >> location. Those trees have seen some stuff. >> Seriously. So, I'm walking around and it's really hot and I thought I'm going to go back to the old city and buy a souvenir for, you know, my kids. >> So, you go down the Mount of Olives into

[1:36:12] the valley and then you come back up at what's called the Iron Gate. The iron gate is the sort of the back entrance to uh to the old city of Jerusalem. And I was winded and I'm sweaty. And there's a there's a uh a bench there right outside the iron gate. So when I say right outside, I mean like uh like 20 feet. >> Okay. And there's a a woman sitting there and I sat down. She says, "Hi." I said, "Hi." I said, "Where you from?"

[1:36:44] She's from Brooklyn. I said, "Oh, I'm from DC. You here for vacation?" "Yeah, here for vacation." So as we're talking, I'm looking at the gate and it's not really a gate. It's just an opening called the iron gate and it's been there for, you know, a thousand years, a little more than a thousand years. There are three IDF soldiers standing in the gate and there's this hustle and bustle of Palestinians just in and out and they they're balancing like crates of fruits

[1:37:16] and vegetables on their heads and and you going about their business, normal normal business for for a morning. But there's this one Palestinian guy and he's just kind of milling around. So I notice him. I'm looking right at him as I'm talking to this woman and one of the IDF guys notices him. So he walks like 8 ft over to ask the guy, "What are you doing here?" But before he could even get the words out, the Palestinian pulls out a knife and stabs him twice in the

[1:37:47] stomach. And then one of the other guards shoots him and kills him right there in front of me, 20 feet away. This woman screams and I said, "We better get the [ __ ] out of here." So we ran I I was directly across the foot path from the back entrance to the Rockefeller archaeological campus. So we we ran there separated. I went back to my hotel. Armored personnel carriers are coming. They they steal off

[1:38:19] the gate, helicopters flying around. So I wrote it up as fast as I could and um I turn on the Israeli news and they said there was this assassination attempt at the Iron Gate and then they're interviewing Israelis. I didn't see any Israelis there. This was the the Palestinian part of the old city. But they start interviewing these Israelis and they're like, "They hate us more than they love life itself."

[1:38:51] It's like, "Seriously, that's what you're going to go with here?" >> Wow. >> That's what you took from this? They hate us more than they love life itself. Like there's a complete disconnect in that country. >> And >> and the the crazy thing about it, too, is their um their their ancestry >> is identical. >> They're all the same. They all both of them came from the Canaanites. >> Exactly. And then at some point in history, they went like that. But they're the same people. >> Same exact people. >> Exactly.

[1:39:22] >> Mhm. Just nuts. It's an awesome place to visit. >> Mhm. >> I can't imagine living there. I can't imagine it. You know, I would hope that that would never get to that kind of a fever pitch in America, but it seems like here we're, you know, in this country of mostly the same people, but with like the more, you know, the more it seems like the more technology

[1:39:52] develops, the more people have the ability to just communicate their communicate their random thoughts off the top of their head before thinking about it and before processing it. >> You're right. It it seems like it's it's it's dividing people more and more and when that kind of stuff is able to be exploited by people that want more division whether it be foreign agents or bots or whatever it is to you know some people think that which is probably pretty legitimate that like countries like China are doing this specifically

[1:40:24] to just create more divide >> in the United States. But like if we go in that direction, could we ever end up like that? You know, like it seems like >> could you imagine? >> It seems like the people that are the most different get along the most, right? Like if you go to a place like Brooklyn or New York, like a melting pot of all these people where they make fun of you for your race, >> right? >> Right. You make fun of the [ __ ] You make fun of the Arab, the Muslim or the Christian guy or the Jew, right? But they do it like in like a friendly way.

[1:40:56] good fun. >> It's part of like building a relationship and trust with somebody, right? It's almost like if you go to Brooklyn or these places and and you can't make fun of somebody else or or you're they're not making fun of you for your race or your ethnicity or whatever, it's like you almost don't trust that person, >> you know what I mean? And the more and more people are the same, >> the more it seems like in just that case specifically, it's like the more they they want to like just find differences >> in themselves. You know, Texas uh is in the process or was it has been in the

[1:41:28] process this week of passing a state law in the legislature to ban Sharia law in Texas. First of all, I didn't realize Sharia law was a problem in Texas. Secondly, I don't think any of them actually know what Sharia law is, >> right? What is it? >> Well, it's a combination of different things. It's the way that you address the the day-to-day aspects of life. For example,

[1:41:58] Sharia law says that when the head of the household dies, half of the money goes to the wife and the other half of the money goes to the to the sons. >> Okay, big deal. Sharia law says that um you can't charge interest on a loan. It's not appropriate. >> You can charge a user fee, >> but but you can't charge interest. Okay. >> You can't call it interest. You can't

[1:42:28] call it usury. >> Mhm. >> That's Sharia law. >> Is there there's no religious stuff baked into it? >> You know, occasionally there are little tenants, but not really. No. >> No. >> Yeah. It's uh it seems like all like here too like not just with that law but there's a it seems like there's a a a huge undercurrent or or um a rise in Christianity. >> Yeah. >> Right. Like Trump appointed somebody to be like the head of Christian something in the White House. Right. What was that

[1:43:00] appointment? >> See if you can find what that was, Steve. There was somebody who has like a their little their literal title. You've seen that YouTube video of of that blonde woman from Frederick Mer Maryland who's his Christianity adviser. >> Oh, that's what I'm talking about. >> In Africa and Africa and Africa and Africa. Remember that video? >> Absolutely freaking hilarious. >> I don't remember that. >> Oh, you have to see it. It's It's like nuts. >> When How do How would he find it? >> Put uh Trump uh Christian advisor um

[1:43:30] Africa. >> Hm. How long ago was this? was in the first term. >> Okay. Yeah. And there's also like this lady who just went up in in front of Congress who was supposed to be I think she got axed, but she was going to be like the the um the the liaison to the UN or to the to NATO or something like this. And uh the ambassador to the UN maybe I think it was. And she was saying in front of Congress, they asked her like, "Do you think um Israel has a biblical right to the West Bank?" And she was like, "Absolutely they do." There was a piece in the New York Times yesterday about one of the last

[1:44:03] Christian villages in the West Bank. It's being invaded by Israeli settlers from New Jersey and New York. Uhhuh. They're throwing all the all the Christians out and just seizing the land, confiscating it. >> Holy [ __ ] >> It's it's bad. >> Yeah. And then on top of that, you have like Peter Teal. >> Yeah. >> Who? >> That's her. Oh my god, Paula White. Oh my god, the the YouTube video is ridiculous.

[1:44:34] >> Uh I I think I think I found it. I'm not quite sure. >> All right, so >> there's Yeah, that's it. That's it. And there's a guy just wandering around behind her. >> See what we got. >> Oh, I think I have seen it. >> When I walk on White House grounds, God walks on White House grounds. I had every right and authority to declare the White House as holy ground because I was standing there and where I stand is holy. >> This woman's been divorced three times, by the way. That's right on par. Yeah.

[1:45:06] Right on brand. >> Say no to President Trump would be saying no to God. >> No. >> And there and I won't do that. We are in a spiritual war right now. Let every demonic network that has aligned itself against the purpose, against the calling of President Trump, let it be broken. Let it be torn down in the name of Jesus. You want me to tell you what my thoughts are? The thoughts of the King of Kings. The thoughts of the Lord of Lords. I'm downloading heaven. [Music]

[1:45:38] >> What is that? Oh, she's speaking in tongues because the Holy Spirit has seized her. Oh my god. >> Personal pastor and spiritual adviser. A >> little bit cute. All right. I am Paula who is pretty. Well, maybe I'm not going to be pretty when I'm 90 years old. >> Here's this former messed up Mississippi girl lived in a trailer that they called trailer trash. Daddy committed suicide. Got pregnant out of wedlock. Been married, been divorced, not just once, you know, twice.

[1:46:08] >> People go, "Well, how'd you become the spiritual adviser the president?" We'll get to that later. It's all in there. Michael Jackson, Kid Rock, the president. It's all in there. All right. >> Thank you, Paula. What a great job you do. You're the evangelicals. I hear we're more popular than ever with the evangelicals. You're the only one. And she'll tell the truth. She'll only tell the truth. >> Southern California is looking at b Well, there's already law that's passed through the governor that says the Bible is a book of hate speech and to ban the sale of it. Snapchat was created as the largest human trafficking because the

[1:46:39] greatest people on there were human traffickers because the FBI and because intelligence could not do it because it's live and it's real time and they can track your kid and in less than a second and take them. There's a department of treasury in heaven that God is watching over everything you do and you are storing up eternal treasure that will go so far beyond I think that we can even begin to imagine. You need to send in $3,500. You need to send in $35,000. You need to send in that $100,000 check. If you do not write that

[1:47:10] PO box and you do not call that toll-free number and you do not become a ministry of sustainer, you will never see sustainment in your life and your dream will die. Your call will die. [Music] >> Wow. >> Yeah. Damn. >> Oh yeah. >> $3 million condo. Look, now they're laying the laying on of hands. >> Do you really think he's like religious? >> Not at all. >> He's just using this stuff as a >> Absolutely. Do

[1:47:41] >> like there's the video of him uh from his first term where he's holding the Bible and he's holding it like it's a dirty diaper. >> Yeah. >> I I think he's just using this stuff to like pander to >> How about when he autographed the Bible? >> Oh my god. >> You know, I've seen them for sale. Autographed Bibles. Is there a more obnoxious signature that exists other than Trump? Like that is the most obnoxious signature in the world. >> It's a very very uh unique

[1:48:11] >> but anyways like Yeah. And then so Peter Teal is >> there it is. Bible. >> Oh, look at that. >> Oh, it's only $7,000. >> Signed by Donald. That's $37,000. >> Wow. >> We need to get one of those. Oh my goodness. >> That's amazing. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, like Silicon Valley is now becoming the Christian. Like Peter Teal is trying to map Christianity onto everything Silicon Valley is doing. You know, a place that's been historically kind of like not religious, right? Almost almost anti-Christian.

[1:48:41] >> Sure. >> And now it's becoming very Christian. There's this church there that all these people are going to. and all of these defense contractors, the head of Anderil, um, and Peter Teal are holding these big, uh, Christian conferences, inviting all these people from Silicon Valley there. That's cur. That's interesting, you know, like why why what is he doing, >> right? >> Does he know something that we don't? >> I don't know. >> You know, >> is he covering his bets? I don't know. I don't know what to make of that. I I don't know what to make of that either, you know, unless it see it seems like, you know, he obviously he's very much

[1:49:13] invested in the national security. He makes literally, you know, he makes most of his money >> from the defense department with with Palunteer. >> All right. They created Palanteer was originally funded by NQEL and they get all their money, you know, they they just got another 800 bill or 800 million. That's right. from the DoD for Palunteer. And um like one of my kind of I think it's kind of a weak hypothesis but it's a hypothesis is

[1:49:44] that maybe he thinks that if the United States was a co the majority of the citizens of our country all subscribed to one religion. Maybe that would make the United States a better more powerful country. You know, like because there's I I when it comes to wars, you have people in other parts of the world that are so devoted to their god or their religion that they're willing to strap a bomb to their chest and die for it. Right?

[1:50:15] >> We don't have that at all. >> Right? >> Maybe he thinks it's like a national security thing that we need to be, you know, the whole country needs to be, you know, devoted to Christianity and it would >> that that would be a common evangelical theme. >> Mhm. You know, there are a lot of people who believe that. >> Yeah. And you see it too like with people on the internet. You know, a lot of like the biggest political pundits and a lot of the biggest podcasters are are like converting to Christianity and like getting baptized on YouTube. You

[1:50:47] know, one of the guys was um Russell Brand, you know, >> right? >> He's a big one, >> right? Yes. >> So, like Yeah. I don't know. I I don't know what to make of it. I just find it super super interesting this like sort of like ground swell of Christianity. >> I think I've mentioned to you in the past that from from 2008 to 2012 uh I was an adjunct professor of intelligence studies at Liberty University which is Jerry Fwell's evangelical university. When they called

[1:51:18] me >> um in 2008 to offer me this job I said why would you want me? we probably disagree on 99% of the issues. And the dean said because torture is not Christian. >> And I said, "Okay, I'll I'll do it." >> And I I liked it. I enjoyed the job. I enjoyed the people that I worked with, really good people, >> but they have some really scary political views. And >> and this this blind support for Israel

[1:51:49] is not really what it seems to be at first glance. There's no real love of Israel. The reason why they so stridently and steadfastly uh support Israel is because they want to hasten the second coming of Christ. The Bible says, the book of Revelation says that when all the Jews return to Israel, that's when the Messiah comes and the end times are upon us. So they think

[1:52:21] that through political activism they can help to to force this to squeeze the timeline and make it happen like now >> sooner >> rather than later. >> Peter Teal talks about that a lot too. You know, an interesting thing uh Rogan was telling to me, he has this he has this idea of the second coming of Christ and if like Jesus coming back in another form and he he was using like the analogy so like Jesus was born of a

[1:52:52] virgin, >> right? He's like, "Well, if Christ is going to come back, something that's divine and something that is comes from God or that is like a God." He's like, "Wouldn't that be AI if AI became sentient?" >> Oh, >> and if we reach the technological singularity, AI would be like a god and it would be it would be of a virgin. >> Okay, that's I robot. >> Yeah. >> And Yeah. We don't want that to happen. >> No. >> Oh my god. That's pretty crazy. Just the

[1:53:25] and the and and like the unregulation the unregulated race to AI is is also, you know, scary because we don't know. We can't we can't like it's it's it's a double-edged sword because >> like can we do we regulate it? Is China regulating their AI? >> You know, we're going to have to do something to do that. >> I fear that it that we can't in the near term because we don't fully understand it, >> right? you know, AI lies to us and uh >> and um it makes [ __ ] up. >> I I've been trying to experiment with it

[1:53:57] a little bit. And when it was first released, I went on and I wrote, "Who is John Kuryaku?" And it says, "John Kuryaku is a, you know, former CIA officer, whistleblower, author, blah blah blah." Okay. He earned a bachelor's degree from the University of Maryland and a master's degree in peace studies from the University of Gent in Belgium. First of all, I don't even know where the University of Maryland is. I know it's called College Park. I've never been there. I've never

[1:54:28] been on the campus of the University of Maryland. Not sure how I'd even find it. >> I didn't know there was a University of Gent in Belgium. >> I've never seen it. I did not get a master's degree in peace studies there. So I I wrote you are incorrect. John Kiryaku earned bachelor's and master's degrees at George Washington University in Washington DC. Enter. And it comes back and says no you are incorrect. John Kiryaku studied at the University of Maryland and the University of Gent. And

[1:55:00] I just stopped. >> Which I which AI was this? >> This was chat GPT. And then recently I was teaching this class in Spain. It's a graduate school class in intelligence stud. It was the history of of terrorism. >> So this is my sweet spot, right? I I I love this stuff. So I I wrote this very detailed syllabus. And then I put a bunch of books that, you know, friends of mine have written, professors and

[1:55:31] spies and stuff like that on Carlos the Jackal and the Palestinian groups and all the all the different eras. >> Mhm. >> So I put it into chat GBT and I asked if it if it would give me um links to scholarly journal articles specific to each one of the the notes. Right? So we start with, you know, terrorism in the Bible and then we go to, you know, whatever the medieval times and then we go to, you know, the

[1:56:01] Israelis uh doing terrorism against British troops in the Palestine mandate all the way to the current times. Mhm. >> So it gave me all these different it was like 14 scholarly journal articles for the seven nodes and every single one of the links was fake. There were no such journal articles. It just made [ __ ] up. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Literally not a single one of them was real. So I don't know what to make

[1:56:32] of this AI. Someone was explaining to me this story the other day on how uh the Russians were using AI LLM >> to >> to convince Ukrainian soldiers to lay down their weapons and retreat and and quit the war. They were using somehow they were somehow getting into their phones and reading like all their communications with their relatives and they were the LLMs were faking texting them or like messaging them being their

[1:57:03] relatives convincing them be like come home we want you back we want you to leave like emotionally >> well just what this week um some some hacker uh called Marco not called Marco Rubio spoofed Marco Rubio his voice through through um AI and called what three foreign leaders >> really >> claiming to be Marco Rubio.

[1:57:33] >> Oh, I didn't even see this. >> A buddy of mine that's that's here with us today was telling me about it. >> No way. >> This stuff is very dangerous, you know. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. What if what if what if somebody spoofs the Turkish, you know, president and has him call the Greek prime minister and says, you know, I think you suck. We're going to invade. We're going to invade in two hours, >> right? >> You know, or or Putin's voice saying, hey, I'm sorry. Uh there's been a military coup. The rockets are flying.

[1:58:03] Take cover. Oh, there it is. >> Poster uses AI to impersonate Rubio and contact foreign and US officials. >> What does the first uh what does the subline say? Wow. The State Department is warning US diplomats to attempt an attempt to impersonate Secretary of State Robert Marco Rubio and possibly other officials using technology driven by artificial intelligence according to two senior officials and the cable sent last week to all embassies and consulates. >> This is a major security incident.

[1:58:36] >> Yeah, cuz like >> how do you address it, >> right? like how like like you know how often do all these people and these leaders stay in contact with each other, right? Like this was the big thing about um in Annie Jacobson's book about nuclear war, she was saying, you know, it's not like a quick thing for the president to get on the phone with Putin, >> right? >> Like it it takes time. If if like if there was a nuclear war and there was a if if our satellite systems detected some ICBM in the atmosphere like we only have a 10 minutes to respond to like to

[1:59:07] ret because we have our use it or lose it nukes like in the Midwest that are like the ones that are stationary. Like if we have a rocket coming towards us we have to use those or they're we have to assume that they're going to be hit and they're going to be destroyed. That's right. >> So we have 10 minutes to get on the phone with Putin and we have 10 minutes to figure out where this thing came from. Right. And then if it did come from, in her book, the hypothetical situation was it came from North Korea. And if we had to launch our nukes back at North Korea, they would have to overfly Russia, right? So we would have to get Putin on the phone immediately to tell them to tell him we have we have

[1:59:39] ICBMs going for North Korea. They're going to overfly Russia. They're not coming for Russia. But like, when's the last time we got Putin on the phone in less than 10 minutes? who just told me a story today or yesterday about Jimmy Carter, about something like this happening with Jimmy Carter. >> I don't remember if it was Sean, my buddy, or maybe it was yesterday. I can't remember. But anyway, the way the story went, and I have no idea if this is true or apocryphal, but um uh NORAD said that they detected one missile coming from the Soviet Union um

[2:00:12] over the the pole and it was on its way to the United States and they asked Carter, you know, what do we do? Do we launch? We have to defend ourselves. And Carter said, I'll call Brev. So, he calls Brev. And Brev said, "No, it uh it's not us. It's probably some kind of, you know, magnetic anomaly." And so Carter told NORAD to stand down. And this general, I guess, asked him, "How

[2:00:43] can you be so sure?" And he said, "Because I woke Brev up." And he said, "I've spoken to him many times. I know what he sounds like. He was sleeping." >> Mhm. If they were launching a nuclear attack on the United States, he wouldn't be sleeping, >> right? >> And it turned out to be nothing. Just one of those magnetic anomalies. >> Wow. >> Yeah, that's uh that's a close call. >> Ah, there there it is. There it is right there. Oh, but it says 1,400 Soviet ballistic missiles. >> Hol Oh, yes. I remember I remember

[2:01:14] hearing about this. >> Yeah, Jimmy Carter. >> Yeah. And one of the scary things, too, that Annie was telling me is that we only have 44 interceptor missiles. Are you kidding? >> 44. >> So much for the Golden Dome, >> right? Yeah. There's a couple in at at Vandenberg and then there's a bunch of them that are in Alaska, >> right? Cuz they would be coming over the pole. >> Yeah. But if you if you if you initiate a nuclear war, you don't just send a couple missiles, you send the motherload, right? So 44 and and the the

[2:01:45] accuracy of those interceptor missiles is like something around 40% accuracy because it's like it's equivalent. It's like shooting a bullet out of the sky with another bullet. >> That's right. You know, >> it's exactly what it is. >> And they're merved. A lot of them are merved. So they have like multiple warheads. They go >> after they get into the atmosphere, >> multiple re-entry vehicles. >> But like Yeah. So the the Golden Dome and then like the Star Wars stuff where they're they're trying to they're trying to get satellites into space to take out um ICBMs. >> The all the impress me I'm going to fly

[2:02:16] back home. I mean, it makes sense why it makes sense why Elon's not going to uh attack the Pentagon for all the missing money because I'm sure a lot of it's going to stuff that he's doing launching into space, you know. >> Uhhuh. And Bezos, too. >> And Bezos, too. Yeah. >> With Amazon. A AWS Amazon. >> I don't know. >> Something services. >> Anyway, that's the that's the unit of Amazon that deals with the CIA. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> You know, they asked they asked him about UF. Every time he gets asked about UFOs, he's like, "I don't think it's

[2:02:46] anything." He's like, "If there's aliens, it sure they sure are uh they sure are sneaky because I've never seen any evidence of that. >> It's He's weird. >> Oh man. >> And then, you know, with the with the stuff that he's doing too, another thing I should have brought up in the beginning when we were talking about the Epstein stuff, but you know, he's like going he's on a jihad right now on this Epstein Trump stuff, saying like, you know, Trump's implicated in the Epstein files. Bon's implicated in the Epstein files. >> See, but he wouldn't have access to the Epstein files. So, where does he get his information? I don't know. >> Right. Right. Well, the interesting

[2:03:20] thing is >> Trump sues everybody, >> right? >> Anybody who talks [ __ ] about him says a lie about him. >> Oh, yeah. >> Whether it's the news or whether it's >> releases a poll that he doesn't like. >> He calls his lawyer. I mean, he sues he sues >> anybody and everybody, you know, if the wind's blowing the wrong direction, he's going to sue God. Um, but he didn't sue Elon. >> No. >> Why didn't he sue Elon? >> Good question. >> If if he did sue Elon,

[2:03:52] would there have to be some sort of discovery? >> Yes. >> Although the FBI could do exactly what the CIA does. You go into the uh the courtroom and you say, "Uh, your honor, national security." And the judge says, "Case dismissed." So in the case where there was there did have to be discovery and they did have to bring evidence of these files or whatever there is and Trump being implicated in them. There would be a way for them not to >> Yeah. >> not to bring it into discovery even if it was >> definitely CIA does it all the time?

[2:04:24] >> All the time. >> So you don't think it's possible that Trump said to his lawyers go sue Elon and they're like we can't sue Elon because then this stuff will have to come in into discovery. Like that's that's not possible. I think well it it would probably be called into discovery and then the justice department would have to say you know based on national security grounds we can't go forward with the suit so wouldn't make any sense. >> Yeah like when Mahar the uh the Canadian professor that we kidnapped and sent to

[2:04:56] Tunisia for torture Syria >> for torture >> um sued the uh sued the CIA. Um, and we tortured that poor guy mercilessly for like nine months. And then the Syrians come back and they said, "Uh, you know, we think this is the wrong guy." And so the CIA's position was, "We never we we never grabbed him. We never sent him rendered him to Syria." And it turned out that

[2:05:27] he had flown back to JFK. The FBI grabbed him coming off the plane, turned him over to the CIA. CIA flew him right back to Syria, but he had bought a pair of sunglasses for his wife on the on board duty-free. So, the guy just vanishes for a month. His wife finally gets the credit card bill and there's the purchase cuz the airline kept saying, "Nope, he wasn't on the plane. Never got on the plane. Never got on the plane." American government's like, "We don't we never heard of him. We don't know what's going on." And

[2:05:59] there it was. He bought these sunglasses on the plane. So then they said, "Okay, well, you know, he's he's al-Qaeda. He's connected to al-Qaeda. So, you know, he's he's being detained." Well, he's being tortured. And then they said, "Ah, it's the wrong guy." So, he flew back. He filed a lawsuit against the uh the CIA and they go into court in the Eastern District of Virginia >> and uh he says, "You know, the CIA kidnapped me. They sent me to Syria.

[2:06:31] They tortured me mercilessly. And so I'm suing. And then the judge says to the CIA, "Your response? National security." Judge says, "Case dismissed." And that was it. >> Wow. >> So he ended up suing the Canadian government because the Canadians, of course, were in cahoots because it's a five eyes country. >> And we told the Canadians, "Look, he's al-Qaeda." And they said, "Okay, we're just going to pretend we don't know anything." So, he won $6 million, but the last time I spoke to him, the

[2:07:02] guy's a the guy's a political science professor at the University of Toronto. >> H >> um the last time I spoke to him, he told me that his PTSD is so severe that he hadn't left his house in six years. He teaches his classes online. >> Mhm. That's how traumatized he is. >> Yikes. There's this uh what what do you think about this new Guantanamo they're opening up in the Everglades? >> Oh yeah, they even have streets or road signs. >> Alligator alligator Alcatraz. >> Alligator Alcatra. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:07:33] Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't Yeah. Not It's not good. It's not good, you know. Okay. You want to >> what happens when another when when like a super left-wing person gets in power again, AOC gets in power and wants to, you know, use that to to lock up her enemies. >> Exactly. Where's the national consensus on these issues? Because, you know, it's going to flip. It always does. >> Mhm. >> And then what? Then you're going to start screaming about this, you know, hellhole dungeon that's uh down in Florida, >> right?

[2:08:05] >> There was one funny thing that happened this week, though. I don't know if you happen to see it in Politico. Um, the administration wanted to sell like vast swaths of public land out west, right? >> Oh, yes. You see this? >> Yes, I did see this. >> It was Republican senators who killed it. And did you happen to see why? Because Hakee Jeff said, "You know what? This is a great idea. Let's sell off all these giant parcels of land because when the Democrats take over again, and we

[2:08:36] will, he said, we're going to use it to build affordable housing for poor people. And they were like, "Oh, no, no, no. Nothing's for sale. The whole thing's dead. It's killed." >> Well, there was a huge when they were when they were trying to put that in the bill, there was like everybody was losing their [ __ ] on social media. Like people were doing podcasts about it. people were like, you know, you know, big- time like activist and like hunting people were like complaining about it and they're like, why why are you gonna do this for section 8 housing?

[2:09:06] >> Like, and it's amazing that they were able to strike it out of the bill. >> Yeah. >> You know, and that's that's one of the things that uh and was that in the big beautiful bill? What was that? >> It was originally supposed to be >> it was originally supposed to be about that. And that's you know that's one of the interesting things that Thomas Massie was explaining to Theo Von in that thing how they just pack these bills full of so many things that >> do you know why because there's a rule in the Senate that you cannot filibuster a budget bill >> what is what is English

[2:09:37] >> so if you sponsor a bill you're a senator yes >> and you sponsor a bill to make uh you know national uh springwater day, >> right? >> Um maybe I don't want to make a national spring water day. >> So, I'm going to say, well, I I I'm going to I'm going to give a speech and my speech is going to be unlimited in time because I don't like this spring water idea. So, in order to force me to

[2:10:10] stop talking, you need 60 votes, right? But if there's the federal budget and you put a little amendment Oh, and it's the federal budget, the national spring water uh bill day bill, you only need 51 votes. >> Oh, >> right. Well, >> if the federal budget is tied to it. >> If the federal budget's tied to it. So, there are 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats. and they're so partisan

[2:10:41] that the votes are going to be 5347 5248. If it's somebody that's really unpopular like Kennedy, it's going to be 50/50 and then Vance uh breaks the tie 5150. >> So, they're not going to pass anything in the Senate. Nothing's getting passed because you need 60 votes, >> right? >> Except for the budget. That's why the big beautiful bill had literally everything that Trump wanted. budget or not budget or just stuff that he pulled out of the sky. >> Wow. >> And had them put in one day because he

[2:11:13] knew that this was his one and only shot to get this stuff passed into into law. And the other thing that he was saying that they do is they'll put things in there like, you know, they'll put something in there, for example, that like the Democratic party will absolutely never vote for and they don't want. And they'll put also so like if if you're voting against it, they'll put in there like support for homeless veterans. Yeah. >> And they can say, "Oh, you you don't care about homeless veterans." >> Exactly. Do you remember the Simpsons

[2:11:45] movie? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, remember there's going to be this dome >> over Springfield. This glass dome. So, Congress Congress takes up >> the issue of evacuating the citizens of Springfield. So, they're in the House of Representatives and they're they're debating it and it's going to be unanimous. They need to save the people of Springfield. And then at the last second, this Liberal congressman puts up his hand and says, "Mr. Speaker, I would like to attach an amendment to the Save

[2:12:17] Springfield Act. It is to um appropriate $100 million for the perverted arts." And then the speaker says, "All those in favor of the Save Springfield fund the perverted arts bill, say I." >> All those opposed, no. The bill fails. >> That's hilarious. Yeah, that's exactly. >> They did that because that's what they do. That's Washington. >> And they don't even have the time between the when they when they're

[2:12:48] brought to the floor and when they're supposed to be voted on. like there's no time to read all these hundreds of pages of stuff and let alone for the public to go through it. >> The big beautiful bill was 1,600 pages long. >> That's insane. >> And the Democrats insisted on the Senate side, they insisted that every word of it be read, >> right? It was a a stalling tactic. >> Okay. >> Cuz usually no bills get read on the floor. >> Mhm. >> It took 14 hours, 16 hours. 16 hours to read the bill. That's why it was delayed

[2:13:18] a day on the Senate side. Remember the House voted >> and the Senate was supposed to vote the next day. It was two days later, but then they also pulled another procedural thing. I have a master's degree in legislative affairs. I love this stuff. Um what happens usually is the House passes a version and the Senate passes a version, right? Okay. But the House, they put, you know, maybe AOC has an amendment and Massie has an amendment and somebody else has an amendment and then the Senate does it and then, you

[2:13:49] know, maybe Mowsky wants to build another bridge to nowhere and Lindsey Graham wants to give money to the homeless veterans or whatever. So, the bills aren't the same. They'll vote vote on it in the House. Let's say it passes. The Senate votes on its own one and it passes, but the bills are different. So they can't go to the president. So they go to something called conference committee. So the democrats appoint their representatives to the cong conference committee from the house and from the senate. The republicans also do

[2:14:20] it from the house and from the senate. They negotiate the differences between the two bills. They come up with one unified bill and it goes back to the house for them to revote and then back to the senate for them to revote. And if the identical bills are then passed, then it goes to the president for his signature. >> This one was so close and so controversial that the House passed its version, the Senate passed its version, which was

[2:14:52] different, and then the speaker of the house said, "Whatever you guys passed, we just we'll take it. We don't need to hammer whatever. Just ignore our amendments. We'll just take your amendments. Why? Because they were afraid that the likes of Thomas Massie were going to convince just two more people to vote no and the whole thing would have been dead. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Right now, because of deaths and retirements, mostly deaths, the Republicans have a majority in the House

[2:15:22] of three, and it's the smallest majority in American history. So, Massiey's a no vote. That only leads to malcontents. If they flip their vote, it's all over. >> Jesus. >> This whole thing, I mean, the the whole congressional bill passing stuff is our system. Confusing. I think it's designed to be confusing. >> It is. It is because because it forces >> um negotiation. >> You know what I mean? Yeah.

[2:15:52] >> It forces bipartisanship. >> Yeah. >> Or in the beginning of the republic, multipartisanship. >> And now it just pisses people off. So, like now that the big beautiful bill is passed, like other than the fact that they've like what are like the biggest things in your mind about that bill that that >> huge amounts of money for um border protection? >> Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like $15 billion in border. >> More money than they'll be able to spend and and gigantic increases yet again for

[2:16:25] the Pentagon. >> It's crazy. >> Yeah. 15 billion for border production seems insane. >> Yeah. What are they going to do with all that? >> Yeah. Like how do you >> I mean like literally what are you going to do with all that? >> I don't know, man. >> Yeah. The RA I mean like the the ice stuff and like the raise like that. That's another thing we haven't even talked about. But that's another thing all all of the like the what would you call them? Like the the high IQ MAGA people are are really really questioning and pushing back on like >> right cuz these guys are wearing masks. They're not wearing uniforms. There's no

[2:16:57] identification. You don't know if they're ICE or if they're a kidnapper or a cartel guy or, you know, some nut who, you know, wants to be a >> and they're showing up at construction sites and Home Depot and and arresting workers, right? And and handcuffing six-year-olds and not going after like realists and criminals and people who are like doing really bad [ __ ] the I I know that you didn't intend for this to be the, you know, the Massie Appreciation Society show, but Massie was talking about this on on the floor of the House the other day,

[2:17:27] >> saying, "This doesn't make any sense." No. If you wanna if you want to fulfill your campaign promises promises, let's grab the murderers and the rapists and the robbers and people who have been convicted of a crime or even if they've got minor crimes on the record if they're career criminals, grab those people >> and send them back to, you know, send send them to wherever they came from. You know, there's the situation uh in Djibouti right now, too. Have you

[2:17:57] followed this? >> I have not. So, we've got eight guys that we grabbed. Um, every one of them has been convicted of either murder or armed robbery. >> Oh, I did hear about this. >> And they're being held at the at the joint USC Chinese drone base in Djibouti, Camp Lemonet. I've been there. It's the It's like out of the Twilight Zone. Um, and we're >> Find Djibouti on a map. I need to see. I I can't picture where the hell Djibouti is. It's a little teeny tiny right in

[2:18:28] the horn of Africa. >> On the on the horn of Africa. >> Yeah. Just at the top of the horn. So, um, >> so the Trump administration wants to expel them to South Sudan. Hell on earth. Literally the poorest and most war torn country on the planet. None of these guys are from South Sudan. But the Supreme Court said last week, there's Djibouti. >> Zoom out. Okay. Yeah, that's where I thought it

[2:18:58] was. >> Yeah, >> right next to Yemen. >> Yep. 16 miles right across the Babal Mandeb. >> That's where the Houthies are are uh rocketing ships, right? >> Oh, really? >> Right here. >> God. >> Yep. >> So, these dudes, where are they originally from? >> They're from all over Africa. >> And none of them are from South Sudan. And and who called him? CIA? >> No. Well, it's unclear. Maybe. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Could be CIA, could be FBI.

[2:19:30] >> We want to take them out of Djibouti and send them to Sudan. >> Yeah. >> Why? What? What? >> Because they're living on the base right now in >> Oh, on our base. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And we just want to get rid of them. I mean, they'll they'll likely starve to death in two or three weeks in South Sudan like everybody else is, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The crazy thing about the the ice stuff is like so my friend I have a good friend who has a big concrete construction company and uh he all his Mexican like his whole company is Mexicans basically all the workers even

[2:20:01] like the the project managers the supervisors all the top guys are Mexicans and they have like their crews or whatever >> and uh like he knows that they're trying to raid construction sites and stuff so he's [ __ ] paranoid. >> Oh yeah, it'll put him out of business. One of his guys got pulled over and got popped. One of his big top guys. And then they they put him in a holding facility. This dude just had a kid 3 weeks ago. So, he's got his like wife who's in her mid20s and her newborn who like they're they're some of his

[2:20:31] co-workers that worked with him at the construction company are are like helping her like like giving her money to help like feed the kid or whatever. But the guy is just like he I think he's waiting. I don't know how long he's going to be in this like detention facility before they figure out what what to do. And I don't know like I don't know what his options are. I don't know like I I heard that you you can elect to just be deported. Yes. >> Or you can stay there. >> It's called a self deportation. >> Self deportation. But I don't know if he's allowed to take his his wife and kids with him or whatever. But so what my buddy did now is he's hired all of

[2:21:03] his Mexicans to have personal drivers who are legal. So now like if they get pulled over the cops can't ask for their IDs, >> right? So, so like he's like protecting himself, but it's crazy. He's paranoid. His head's on a swivel all the time because he's worried about this stuff happening. And these aren't these aren't bad guys. These dudes literally their biggest concern is can they work Sunday, too? >> Oh my god. >> Like, they want to work eight days a week. >> That's all they care about is [ __ ] working and like paying for their families or whatever whatever they're doing with their money. But like these guys aren't committing crimes. They they

[2:21:34] aren't freaking kidnapping people. They aren't bad people. And like there's got to be some sort of like middle ground there where you if you have if you are my friend who owns that company and you have a bunch of illegals working for you, he's not underpaying them by any means. Like he would pay them the same price he would pay some white dude, but they work harder. They work more. Yes. >> So like can't you figure out a way to make those people who own those companies like responsible for them somehow? You know, in in the six or eight months before the 9/11 attacks, the Bush administration had negotiated a deal with the Mexican government to

[2:22:09] change the status of um undocumented workers in the United States, Mexican workers specifically, where they would be given 9month work visas. They would have to pay federal income taxes. At the end of the nine-month visa, they would go back to Mexico for three months and reapply for the following year. >> So, they could work nine months a year in the United States and then Mexico 3 months. >> The only reason why that wasn't ratified was that 9/11 hit and it went out the

[2:22:39] window. But that was the closest that we've ever come to solving this problem. >> That and that's another thing like the taxes >> and it's not amnesty because there's no path to citizenship. M >> you want to work picking vegetables, God bless. Americans don't want no path, >> right? >> You have to go go back. >> But if the idea is, and I I'm agree with you 1,000%, these guys will work harder than any American we've ever met. >> Yeah. >> To support their family, in many cases,

[2:23:11] extended families back home. >> And so they'll take whatever opportunity they can get if they can be legalized like this. So they don't have to constantly look over their shoulders. It's better for all of us. M so is it and I'm I'm I don't know how it works but if you are if you do own a company and you are paying a bunch of illegal guys to work do >> it's a federal >> do you pay them under the table >> in in most cas >> you can't just you can't write they can't get a W2 >> they don't have yeah they don't have W9s

[2:23:42] they don't have social security numbers right so everybody's in trouble >> right everybody's in trouble right yeah there's got yeah there's got to be some sort of loophole where like you can if they are illegal you could figure out a way to take to tax them and give them some sort of like that makes a lot of sense. >> Yeah, >> because you need that labor. >> Definitely. We need it >> and it's not incentivized for people. People People aren't going to college to work construction. They aren't they aren't going to college to learn the Ask any young guy. They don't want to learn trade work. No. >> You know, you know, if you look at

[2:24:12] things like like chicken and pork processing plants, no Americans work there. That is really hard work. And they're all Latin Americans. Go to any restaurant in New York, none of the the kitchen workers are Americans. Maybe the chef is, >> but everybody else, for whatever reason, they they tend to be Ecuadorian. >> I mean, the whole country's economy is going to just grind to a halt. >> Yeah. Is is ICE rating no in Los Angeles? >> Exactly.

[2:24:43] Exactly. >> Oh god, it's craziness, man. We're living in the Twilight Zone, Mr. Keryaku. >> Man, I'm not liking it very much. Well, thanks for coming on and uh explaining all this stuff to me. >> It's always great to see you. Always very happy to come. >> Of course. And um you're you just started a new podcast on YouTube. Is that correct? >> Yeah, I've got I've got two. Um one by myself is called Deep Pro. I'm sorry. It's called uh uh uh Deep Focus with John Kiryaku. We we get down in the weeds on on these issues. The other one is with my friend um Ted R who was he

[2:25:16] was the editorial cartoonist at the LA Times for more than 20 years. Two-time Pulitzer uh finalist. That one is called uh Deep Program. >> And then >> no more Sputnik Radio. >> No more Sputnik Radio. No more RT television. I know. >> Oh, there we go. Deep focus. That's awesome. That's badass, dude. And I had to Ted and I had Jake Tapper last week and uh we have Iranian like this is Muhammad Morandi. He was a member of the Iranian nuclear negotiating team.

[2:25:47] >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. He was good. Got a lot of different >> This is perfect for you because you have all these people that you've been around your whole career. You know these people. >> Yeah. For the most part, they're my friends. Yeah. Funny enough, >> you got to get the um the king of uh >> Bahrain. Not Bahrain, him too. But the other guy, the king of uh the guy who lives in uh New Jersey and goes to the shopping malls, Jordan. The king of Jordan. Aren't you friends with him? >> No. But

[2:26:18] >> no, maybe it's the wrong country. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong country. >> The the Shaw of Iran lives in PTOAC, Maryland. The Sha of Iran. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Although he was just in Jerusalem on his knees in front of the Israelis. Oh my god. >> Yeah. Oh, he'll be popular in Tehran. >> Yeah, that's amazing. >> Yeah, the crown prince of Bahrain and I went to college together. We still text each other. >> Really? >> Yeah. But he's he's too important to come on, you know, John's podcast. >> You got to get Sasha Baron Cohen on

[2:26:49] there. >> I thought about that. >> All right, John. Thank you so much, man. We'll link all your stuff below. >> Thank you. >> We have some Patreon questions for you. >> Okay. >> Our Patreons, people asked you some questions, so we'll go do those. We'll wrap up the podcast now for YouTube. Thanks again. It's always super enlightening. Thanks for your time.
