Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-11-05
URL: https://youtu.be/T-Sex3kPJUA
Duration: 59:00

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[00:01] That sound you hear is billionaires heading off to Tidor airport to evacuate city due to the socialist uprising of Zaran Mamani. Thanks for tuning in to Drogram with Ted R and John Kiryaku. Good morning, John. >> Good morning, Ted. Lots to talk about today. >> Yeah, a few things. It's Wednesday, November 5th, 2025. Zon Mandani. Um, by the way, I just want to say that here on the show, >> we nailed his victory. The numbers, uh, we said 52.

[00:32] >> Yeah, we did. >> 51.5 is the current count. So, uh, we, you know, I mean, kudos to us. >> You don't like the show, you should probably refer to us if you're an online better. >> Seriously, we called it. >> Yeah, >> we called it. Yeah, >> we called it everywhere. And you know, this was this was not just kind of an interesting off-year election. Um, this was a uh landslide nationwide. Uh,

[01:04] if you look, for example, at uh Virginia, the Democrats picked up 10 state house seats. They already controlled the state house. They picked up 10 more. Three are still close too close to call. All held by Republicans. They could pick up as many as 13. In Pennsylvania, uh there were three elections for um state supreme court. There the Supreme Court justices in Pennsylvania are elected to 10-year terms. Democrats won every seat. So, the Democrats now

[01:35] control the Supreme Court of um of Pennsylvania, one of the important battleground states. Uh last year we saw uh a Democrat win the deciding Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin. So, this is happening uh in California where Republicans spent $100 million to try to defeat this referendum calling for redistricting so that the Democrats could try to offset some of the Republican redistricting efforts in

[02:07] Florida, Texas, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, and Missouri. 63.8% 8% supported redistricting. That was a monumental landslide. I'll tell you, if if I were the Republicans, I would be gravely worried today. But with that said, you cannot run with your sole campaign slogan being, "Vote for me because I'm not the other guy." The Democrats have to come up with

[02:40] ideas. And so far, they have no ideas. I will say I've taken I've taken a couple of swipes at Abby uh Spanberger and I mentioned yesterday Abby and I worked together in the CIA's counterterrorism center. Um she ran as a moderate a right of center uh Democrat, a conservative Democrat. Mhm. >> Um but then in her postelection victory

[03:11] speech last night, she said all the right things. And man, I hope for the sake of having a viable Democratic party that they listen to what she said. She said she is going to immediately sponsor constitutional amendments to guarantee a woman's right to an abortion. Um, she's going to There was another constitutional amendment that it was like going to the very Oh. Oh. to to recognize in

[03:41] perpetuity same-sex marriages. And her first bill that she's going to uh propose to the legislature is to guarantee um a $15 minimum wage, plus paid uh uh leave for women who have just had uh children, parental leave, whatever it's called. None of which has ever been done in Virginia before. And um and there's going to be something about

[04:13] I forget what handgun registration or something like that which will probably fail. But anyway, real ideas for a change instead of oh vote for me because I'm not Donald Trump. Now much to the Republican chagrin today in Virginia, state senator Jay Jones uh defeated the heavily favored Republican attorney general Jason Mures. Um Jay Jones on October the 22nd, which was what, less than two weeks ago,

[04:44] um somebody leaked text messages that he had sent to a friend in 2022 talking about shooting Republicans in the head. Now, of course, this is something Republicans have done time and time again, but this time, of course, they completely lose their [ __ ] because a Democrat did it. And nobody cared. Everybody said, "Oh, there's going to be a lot of ticket splitting. People are gonna vote for Abby and then they're going to vote for Miis, the Republican attorney general." That didn't happen. Miis has been a terrific attorney

[05:16] general. And and it's it's hard for me to say that about a conservative Republican, but he has been an excellent attorney general. And he was just unceremoniously thrown out last night um for uh for Jay Jones. Now, we'll see what Jay Jones does in this position. >> I mean, John, have you ever seen a a a one party sweep in not even an off-year election, but an off offyear election like this? I can't remember one. I mean,

[05:48] not like you can't really you can't really read a lot of tea leaves out of a election like this. There was even a Republican a Republican in Fredericksburg, Virginia, which is, you know, it's an old South kind of, you know, Civil War era, pre- Civil War era town. Very, very Republican. Their state representative was elected in 1988. >> And he lost last night to a 20-some year old Democrat. >> So 1988, Ted,

[06:21] >> but if I'm Look, I agree with you. 100 million% John about this Democrats have to have an idea besides Trump sucks. What we're seeing I think this is just something Democrats should not take a lot of comfort in. What we're seeing is every election now is a change election because Americans are pissed across the board for different reasons. They're all pissed. And so two-party system, they're just going to keep flailing and voting against the incumbents over >> That's it. And that's bad for the

[06:52] country. We need we need real ideas. People who are going to stand up for something, not just pandering so that they can get elected next time. That's exactly what's wrong with this country. >> Totally. John, got to read an ad. Did you know the biggest threat to your retirement is not something that's talked about often? Our increased longevity in America means default retirement accounts like IAS, 401ks, and TSPs may not suffice. If you ever have over $100,000 in your retirement account, get instant access to a free

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[07:54] are each going to be uh digging uh shaking out the the the sofa cushions to pay out of our own pockets, but it's not going to be enough. So if we want this show to work and you want Robbie to help us make it succeed. So he, you know, he behind the scenes he creates clips, he promotes it, he does metadata, he u prom he he he he works with Rumble when there's a problem um you know with our pay or whatever. He's the guy who handles all the tech stuff behind. Uh

[08:25] we're calling it Robbie Aid. Uh please reach out directly and send the money to him. We're asking for $1,000 a month total from across the big world. So, um that we feel like that's not asking too much, but we'll see. Um the URL is giveendgo.comwestglacaming. I'll leave the URL up there. Um this is a uh you know, we got it. Uh first of all I just want to say you know we kept saying you know to about billionaires

[08:56] like uh the Gustidis grocery guy with the long name >> John John Katy Matis. >> Uh that's easy for you to say. >> So long John. >> Yeah. You you Yeah. You're all you're all afraid of New York. Like this morning on um on my Facebook feed uh a lot of my Zionist friends are saying you know oh you know like New York we hardly knew ye. Uh my right-wing uh friends on X are posting images of a plane hitting the World Trade Center and saying, "How could you have voted for a Muslim after

[09:28] what happened?" >> Yeah. Because he did it. He did 911. >> If you guys are genuinely this scared, then you need to leave. Yeah. >> Or you need And if you join the military, >> you need to be quiet because you're full of [ __ ] Yeah. >> Because one, if you're really that scared, you shouldn't stick around. New Jersey will be happy to have you. Oh, wait. They became they they went Democratic. Oh. Uh, Pennsylvania will be happy to have you. Oh, wait. They went Democratic. Keep going. Go to Ohio. Hang out with JD Vance when he's not making

[10:00] out with the widow. >> Yes, exactly. >> Hey, do you mind if I answer a couple of questions? Please, let's do it. Um, one is, um, what's my reaction to John Brennan's interaction with Thomas Bial at George Mason University on the 30th? I'm not exaggerating when I tell you at least a dozen friends of mine sent sent me the video and um, and I watched it at least a half a dozen times with Brennan physically

[10:30] poking him in the chest, which by the way is assault, >> but that's beside the point. I've known John Brennan for 35 years. That's the first time I've ever seen him scared. I think he's genuinely scared of what's going to happen to him. You know, the the drain is open and I think the water is starting to uh to circle. So, uh yeah, I'm glad I'm not John

[11:03] Brennan today. Somebody also asked me if I had seen the mass shooting in Cree, the Greek island of Cree. And I'm smiling because being Greek, being Greek, every Greek knows about Cree. Everybody's armed and everybody's pissed off at somebody else. It's just the nature of being [ __ ] [laughter] It's like they're like Sicilians. Very much like Sicilians. In fact, it was the ancient >> course. That's how Corsicans are in France. Yes, that's right. That's how

[11:34] corsans are. It's the same thing. If you look at me crosseyed or you insulted my sister or you cut my dad off in traffic and didn't say you're sorry, blood feud and it'll go for generations. So, what happened was one of these feuds bubbled over and um guy started shooting and killed a whole bunch of people from the other family. So, it's not a terrorist attack. It's just cretins being cretins. And even the prime minister, who is [ __ ] by the way, he's like, "Look, we

[12:06] have to stop this this silliness. Every time you get mad, you just go get your hundred-year-old Ottoman rifle and start shooting people you don't like. You can't do that." One other question from Nicholas Franco. Uh, John, why is it that we cannot pronounce the name of the red-headed devil, although her name is out there? Um, you know, I I got burned thanks to the uh the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. So, I don't pronounce her name because I don't say

[12:36] her name. I don't say her name because I don't think she deserves the uh >> the media attention. >> She who must not be named. Uh she's a war criminal. She's a genocidal, you know, example of everything that is wrong with the CIA. Uh, her name is out there. >> Yeah, I know who you >> I I just don't want to say it. >> No need. No need at all. >> But sorry, I didn't mean to pull us off of politics, Ted. >> No, no, that's quite all right. Listen,

[13:08] um, I suspect chainery. Um, not in the Mandani win, but do you really believe that Andrew Cuomo did as well as they claim? >> No. >> And that and and and that Curtis Leewa did as poorly. No, I do not. I do not. And listen, I don't care how conservative Staten Island is. I don't think he won Staten Island as big as everybody says he did. >> That's That's Curtis Leewa territory. >> Yeah, it's Curtis Leewa territory. They're all Republicans on Staten

[13:38] Island. Why in the world would they vote for for Cuomo? And did you see what uh what um Mandani said in his victory speech about Cuomo? I wish uh Mr. Quomo, the best of luck in >> uh private life, but I hope to never utter his name again. >> That's great. >> Ouch. >> Well, yeah. I mean, Andrew Cuomo did not really um conduct an honorable campaign. >> No, he didn't. >> Um it was >> it was it was an Islamophobic campaign

[14:08] >> beneath him and his family name. Um it was it was it was sad and tragic to watch. I mean, so I mean, if I mean, obviously, if the system like manipulated the vote at all, obviously they couldn't take it away from Nandani, the the win was too big. It's a landslide for people. Just I just want to keep reminding people this was a three or four person race. Uh this was this was so when you get over 50% of the vote in a three, four person race, it's a landslide. You've kicked ass. um be

[14:40] you know the day before the vote Cuomo's at 24%. And now suddenly he's at 42. Really? Come on. Come on. 17%. That's after Trump endorsed him, by the way. And that only could have hurt him in New York City. Uh you know, in something that Cuomo knew because he said, "No, no, I I'm good. I don't need it." And then even Trump was like, "No, I'm not really. It's okay." It was just a speaking out of turn. Um, and then SE I mean the only thing that would explain

[15:10] it to me would be if Slee with supporters saw that it he was going to be, you know, washed out. They're like, I'm not going to bother to wait in these long lines. This was record turnout. 2 million votes in a city of uh just shy of 8 million people. >> Um, >> you know, in an off-year election. I mean, one of the ballot initiatives, John, was I don't know how, by the way, I have to look up how this did. one of the ballot there were eight initiatives yesterday and one of them was in New York City. Should we move the the the um

[15:42] the mayoral race to uh a presidential election year because nobody votes in the off-year mayoral election. >> He set a record yesterday. >> They set a record. It was a record turnout. It was double double the number of votes that turned out for uh Eric Adams election two years four years ago. >> That's correct. Yeah, exactly. >> And this was like Yeah. You have to go back to Mayor John Lindsay of the 1960s to find similar numbers. Now, the You

[16:12] might say, "Oh, the population of the city is is bigger now." Actually, the population of the city is a little smaller. >> So, um that's not really true. So I wanted to ask you too if you don't mind. Um Mandani's uh biggest uh vote vote tallies were of course in uh in Queens part parts of Queens and Manhattan. So what was up with the Bronx? I mean I guess I get Brooklyn I guess.

[16:44] But Brooklyn is actually more ethnically mixed and racially mixed than Manhattan is. So why were his numbers so strong in Manhattan and in in far western Queens than they were in areas that I would just have have assumed that he would run up the the numbers? >> Well, I haven't had chance to study the uh the uh precinct by precinct um results which the New York Times just published like right before we went on the air. Um, and I'm going to look at that because I always find those fascinating. But certainly the Bronx

[17:15] overall, first of all, a big section of the Northwest Bronx is Riverdale, >> right? Jewish white. Yeah. >> And then um and then there's also a lot of Latinos, right? Um, and Latinos often are small C conservative, right? Or big C conservative. Yeah. Um, so I'm suspecting, but you know, AOC does okay there, but >> that's because she's uh >> she went mainstream >> and also she's she's Latina. I mean, there's a there's um former Bronx

[17:45] Burough President um Jose uh Ferrer runs a political machine up there in the Bronx and I suspect that his thumb is on >> this um on this. And I think and I do think some things change. I mean, I just don't I think the system decided to give Quuomo a more dignified loss on the on the record just because I mean, I know this is conspiratorial thinking and it's speculation and I have no evidence for it, but you know, it just it doesn't

[18:16] seem right. Like, you know, you hit the M all the polling hits Mani right on the nose, >> but like not you know, Cuomo suddenly kicks major ass. I mean, you know, he he'd lost by a lot less than we expected. Um, so >> have you had a chance I I looked and I couldn't find it easily, so I just moved on to something else. Have you had a chance to look at the um lower level races in New Jersey? I have no idea what happened to New Jersey in the uh in the

[18:48] legislature to look there. But it does look it does look like a Democratic sweep. It's a it's a repudiation I think of Trump's style. >> And you know I think if I were meeting if I had if I had 10 minutes with President Trump uh I would say listen you know I care about the country so I want you to succeed. If you succeed we succeed. And I believe that >> I do too. And I would say you've taken on you're you you've fallen for a typical pre secondter term presidential mistake which is you're you're finding satisfaction in foreign policy and

[19:20] you're you took your eye off the ball of why you're president. You ran on domestic issues. You ran on the economy and you've basically aside from the tariffs haven't really done anything about the economy and the tariffs are a mixed bag to say the least. Right. and and people are still the things that you identified correctly about high prices and low wages are still if anything getting worse and uh and people see you you know sending money to [ __ ] Argentina >> right >> and not here. So I mean I think I mean I

[19:52] think this is partly that repudiation. People don't like the ICE [ __ ] >> Even people who are anti-illegal immigration, they don't like the way this is being handled. the goons on the streets of the city, the National Guard. >> I went downtown yesterday afternoon to have coffee with a friend and um and there were two National Guardsmen in the Farragut West Metro Station. Farragut West, probably the single safest metro station in the entire metro network. And I and I as soon as I saw them at a

[20:24] distance, I was like, "Don't say anything. Don't say anything. Don't say anything." And I walk up to them and I said, "You guys should be ashamed of yourselves." And I walked away. They didn't say anything. >> That's all I said. >> Yeah. They didn't respond at all. Hey, and I wanted to say this is apppropo of nothing, but I thought people would get a kick out of it. When I was on Rogan a couple of weeks ago, um, we somehow got on to the topic of, uh, AI and I said I didn't like chat GPT

[20:54] because it lied about me and it's it just made up that I went to the University of Maryland and to some grad school in Belgium that I've never heard of. And I told ChatGpt, "You're wrong." And it says, "No, you're wrong." Right? And um so I I was I told this story to to Rogan and Rogan says, "Oh, we use Perplexity here. They um are advertisers on the show, but but for our own use here at the studio, we use Perplexity."

[21:25] And I said, "I'm going to start using Perplexity." Last night around like 10 o'clock, the CEO of Perplexity sent me an email with a lifetime subscription to Perplexity. He said, "Thank you for the conversation you had about Perplexity. Here's a link for it's for Perplexity employees. It's a free lifetime subscription to Perplexity." >> That's great. [laughter] I love that. So

[21:57] now I'm going to be all about Perplexity. [laughter] >> All I have to check out Perplexity. I'm like, you know, as you know, I'm I'm banned on chat GPT. Yes. My personal account is banned. I'm not allowed to access. If you type in my name, it's literally like a 1960s Star Trek episode where the robot says does not compute. Does not compute. >> Ridiculous. >> Literally if you don't believe me. >> And it's and it all started because uh same thing. They made up lies about me like, "Oh, this contra, you know, they took away my Pulitzer Prize. I never won

[22:28] a Pulitzer Prize." Um, [laughter] don't have it to give up. Um, this crazy literary feud I supposedly had with Scott Stantis. >> Best friends. We've never had an argument in our lives. Um, you know, it's just bizarre. Oh my god. It just makes [ __ ] up. It It's, you know, they call it hallucinating. It's not hallucinating. It's just lying. >> It's just lying. It's like Ridiculous. Well, now it's going to be perplexity. >> Yeah, Vick Vicki in Greece is asking uh

[22:59] Vic in Greece is asking why am I banned? Uh so I wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal about it and I and the title which I didn't write was uh Chad GPT lie me. Should I sue? And uh I I and after that I got banned. So you know that's why >> jerks. Oh my god. >> So, let's see. Um Bob channel says he uses co-pilot. It makes a lot of mistakes. >> I don't know that one. I have one in my

[23:29] doc that's called Comet. I don't know. Is that perplexity? I think perplexity is perplexity. Anyway, I'm going to download it today. I'll let you know how it goes. >> What Cole Lebach wants to know, what do we think about Giuliani saying New Yorkers have forgotten in about 911? Never. Giuliani is so drunk by 12:00 noon, he's already forgotten what he did yesterday. So what honestly whatever Giuliani has to say, I dismiss it as the the the rantings of a crazy person.

[24:01] >> Sorry, I'm a little bitter about Giuliani. >> Well, he he's a dick. Um I mean, anybody who doesn't believe he seriously watch Borat, too. I mean, guys, >> he's got his hand down his pants because he thinks he's gonna he's so gross. year old. >> Um, Phil 2082 has been uh kind of like semi-trolling the feed, but I figure we can address this. Um, he said, "Do we honestly believe the leftist garbage Mani is pushing will somehow magically not result in millions murdered?"

[24:33] Earlier in the feed, he was arguing that communism inherently will result in millions of people being killed. >> Yeah, but but Mandani is not a communist. >> That's true. This is what I I I so many >> socialist really. >> Not really. I mean, >> he's just a liberal. >> He's a democratic socialist, which is really just a a traditional liberal, a >> it's Humphrey, it's John Lindsay. I mean, what's happened here, right? Like so what's kind of interesting and and this might explain what happened to um

[25:03] SWA is that the two parties have shifted so far over to the right over the last 60 70 years that now in at least the New York mayoral election what you really have is Mandani who's basically John Lindseay in the 1960s running against Andrew Cuomo who's basically a Republican from the 1960s like a silk stocking upper east side Republican politically. Um, and then SWA is somewhere where I don't know the John Burch Society like would not have been elected, right?

[25:35] >> Is he that conservative? >> Well, he's I mean he's he's affiliated kind of with MAGA world now. >> Okay. >> What is mainstream Republicanism now would have been off the charts like like Barry Goldwater would have been like what the [ __ ] >> Oh yeah, I believe it. I believe it. even near the end of his own lifetime, Goldwater was coming around. Um, Goldwater, I had I had very deep respect for Barry Goldwater. When his granddaughter came out to him, he became

[26:07] one of the greatest champions of gay rights on Capitol Hill. >> Incredible. >> And it's not early. I mean, you know, as um Scott Stantis, by the way, who's going to be filling in for you tomorrow to co-host >> Oh, thank you. here uh just for one day um is uh he he always likes to quote Goldwater saying like I don't care if the guy in the foxhole in in the foxhole next to me is straight I care if he can shoot straight >> shoot straight I remember that >> and and he was a what a major general

[26:39] Barry Goldwater in the reserves >> he was either [laughter] Yeah he was either a brigadier general or major general in the army reserves >> yeah I didn't know Mhm. >> So was uh Jimmy Stewart, the actor. He was a brigadier general. >> Real real says, "Chat GPT angers me. I wish I could find AI that isn't so mainstream." >> I know, right? >> I like >> I use it all the time. >> I haven't used it, >> but I've I've read other people, you know, commenting about using it.

[27:10] >> By the way, I I want I want to I want to stand up for communism here. I don't think that like calling for equal income and wealth inherently results in having to kill millions of people. >> Right. Yeah. Agreed. >> That certainly has happened. And I don't think that and I think that had very little to do with with wealth redistribution and a lot more to do with the authoritarian form of government that was sort of using communism as a cover like Mao and you know Stalin. I mean Stalin didn't kill didn't kill all those people to redistribute wealth.

[27:41] some of them but not most. This was about control. >> Yeah, it was about control. Yes. >> You know, in that sense, it's not about it's not the e- I don't think the economic system inherently results, but I think every system results in, you know, control. The need to control your fellow human beings necessitates leaders thinking that they have to kill some of their fellow citizens. >> Yes. >> Um, agreed. >> Let's see. Oh, Phil 2082 said,

[28:12] "Yesterday we talked both talked about getting EMDR therapy for PTSD. The current VA wait time for veterans for that is 12 months." >> Are you kidding me? >> I can't get it after three wars, Phil says. >> Oh my god. I'll tell you what, my um insurance wouldn't cover it at the time, so I paid for it out of pocket and it was 700 bucks. >> Yeah. My recommendation, Phil, I don't obviously we don't know your financial situation, but here's the thing. You

[28:44] don't need a lot of sessions >> to get to get some big [ __ ] results. >> No, I I had like four sessions and I was I was good to go. >> Three. >> See? >> Yeah. And like one's like a prep session, so you might just need four. >> I actually fell asleep in the first one. I got so relaxed. >> Yeah, >> man. I cried so much. I mean, and I don't really cry, you know. I'm one of those people like I can't cry even when I want to and then it's like I just like disintegrated.

[29:15] >> You know, it was great. [laughter] >> See, my my my problem is murderous rage. >> If I can back off from the murderous rage, then I'm okay. >> Oh, Fasmatas wants to know what it I mean, I guess we should like not use uh jargon. Um, you know, >> oh, sorry. So, EMDR basically is based um you might have heard of tapping, but basically it's based on this theory that um it's just it's just sort of like we don't really know why it works, but we know that it works. And basically, it's

[29:46] kind of like a form of gentle hypnosis. That's why I fell asleep. Basically, you're focus like you're with a therapist. You sit across from them and they wave like usually they wave a stick around and you and you and you uh and you stare at it and you're asked to go back to the thing that traumatized you and and how you felt and what happened and and the the person will prompt you with some uh some cues and uh and and we'll just sort of walk you through try

[30:17] to take you back to that. And it's very weird. It's like a primitive response thing. It's sort of like when you pet the, you know, you pet the back of a cat right before its tail, it can't help but arch up. They just do. >> Yeah. >> Sort of like that your your brain just sort of responds to it that way. It's I I recommend looking it up. It's, you know, too common. >> I agree. I agree. And I mentioned I did that transcranial magnetic therapy where you just put this uh it's this band of magnets around your head and uh you have

[30:48] to wet these two gauzy contact points right here and it's attached to a battery and you turn it on. You have to have it on for 20 minutes. For the first like minute, it makes your eyes go completely blurry, you know, like like you're shaking a TV and watching the TV as it's shaking, that kind of thing. And then it it stops and then you just take it off after 20 minutes. >> Um, and I did that for a few weeks, worked

[31:21] like a charm. >> There's also these these wristbands that you can buy that that they pulse on your wrist. Um, [clears throat] and they're like, yeah, like a hundred bucks. Um, Frazzmataz just wants, and this is important. I don't understand how you can do EMDR if you're not a combat or otherwise physical PTSD patient. How do you get EMDR about your divorce? Anyway, that's personal. Don't need to know. I think it's important. Um, look, you can get traum the short answer is you can get trauma over all sorts of things um that are not physical. Um yeah, you

[31:52] know, and uh you know, for you know, in in my case, I I did have PTSD over not my own personal combat, but having been in uh you know, in in a war in Afghanistan as a journalist and uh seeing a colleague of mine die. Um and uh it was and I was diagnosed with that, right? Um abusive childhood which can involve physical abuse. But anyway, this basically psychologists are very clear. There's really kind of not much

[32:22] difference in the effect between physical and emotional and psychological abuse. I mean, the effect is kind of the same. I mean, forget the kind of. It is the same. There's no difference. >> It's the same. That's right. >> You know, whether if your if your your parent yelled at you, screamed at you all throughout your childhood, and they never laid a hand on you, it's no different than if they had. >> That's right. Um, I want to thank uh uh Solon too uh for his generosity. And he had a

[32:53] question here that I just saw. Oh, I I see. Am am I ever going to be on um on uh the Rogan show with Mike Baker? [laughter] Um probably not. Probably [laughter] not. The the truth is I have a manager now who is uh she also represents well I won't say who she represent she represents some really high highle people and um [snorts]

[33:24] and uh she told me that I'm more highly soughta than than Mike Baker is. So why legitimize Mike Baker, >> you know? And and speaking about Bamante too, Bamante is included in the in the question. Um >> Rogan Rogan will not have Bamante on the show. Period. It will never happen. He and his people were crystal clear

[33:54] about that. There will be no Bamante on that show. He's not a person that is who is taken seriously. Well, while we're on the topic of covert [ __ ] should we talk about Exxon? >> Yeah, let's talk about Exxon, bastards. >> So, this is crazy story. Um, it it reminds me a little bit of the story of the attorney who uh ended up being uh sent to prison and uh subject to house arrest for uh winning a huge uh $ 1.5

[34:27] billion a damage award uh in favor of indigenous people down in Bolivia against Exxon Mobile. Um Stephen Danziger, my my neighbor in Manhattan. Um anyway, uh in fact, I was thinking maybe I'm going to reach out to him and see if he can come on the show. >> That would be great. >> Talk about this. Um but anyway, so it turns out there's um basically Exxon throughout the late 90s and throughout the thes was uh bankrolling uh the Atlas

[34:59] Network, which is a think tank down in Latin America, uh basically doing Spanish translations of climate denial propaganda, uh like stuff by Fred Singer, who's against the Kyoto Accord. And um and basically it's just meant it was meant to undermine the scientific consensus that the that the planet is uh going through rapid uh humancaused climate change glo average global

[35:30] warming. >> I mean which is really the simplest science in the world. Like if you own a ever seen how a terrarium works it's like third grade science. There's not that much to it. And it used to be mainstream until Ronald Reagan decided to politicize climate change and the envi and the and the environment overall. So long story short, um you know, this is kind of like how big tobacco used to operate. Um you know, paying scientists to to say that cigarettes weren't dangerous or not that dangerous or whatever. Um

[36:03] so this all just came out. The Guardian broke the story. Um, it's I mean it's really gross and it's like very revealing that like a lot of the [ __ ] that's out there kind of like you know people felt it was legitimate because they read stuff that sounded and felt real as if it was from real intelligent qualified intellectuals and scientists but it was all [ __ ] >> Yeah. How do we I mean is there is there anything we can do as a society to hold

[36:35] companies accountable for for this kind of propaganda? >> No, not not when the Supreme Court repeatedly sides with the companies. I mean look at the look at the precedents. U there are no good cases to point to. The little guy always loses. It's like a Stephen King novel that the good guy always loses. Terrible. Just terrible. Steven Donsziger is is the the clearest example of this. The guy is a freedom fighter.

[37:09] Talk about talk about, you know, the savior of the of the little guy, the indigenous people of what was it? Uh, Ecuador. >> Bolivia. >> Bolivia. Bolivia. And uh and an administrative judge sentenced him to prison. Ended up being house arrest. But still, you know, the big polluting, filthy, killing corporations always get away with it, and they're going to keep getting away with it until somebody finally stands up, somebody in a position of authority finally stands up

[37:40] and says, "Enough of this." >> Well, they have billions of dollars and billions of dollars can always buy congressmen and presidents and, >> you know. >> Yes. >> That's the thing. When people say take the money out of politics, that's ridiculous. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, >> well, you know what? What did it was Citizens United. I mean, I'm I'm sure we all agree. I I'm actually very sure we all agree on Citizens United. Corporations are not people, and corporations should not be able to to

[38:10] donate unlimited literally unlimited amounts of money to political candidates. It it it just completely corrupts the system. >> Yeah. No. Um, for sure. And you know, other countries definitely know how to handle that. Um, >> yeah, I like Don Ziger. You know, he was on the show that Michelle and I had several times. Um, he would be great on this show. We should have him soon. [snorts] >> By the way, um, do we have any thoughts about this? This isn't this is a

[38:41] curveball, so I apologize if you didn't look at it. Any thoughts about that UPS plane crash in uh in Kentucky? >> You know, I think it was just one of those things. They're saying now seven dead and like 11 or was it nine now? >> Yeah. I I think it was just one of those things. >> Awful. >> We'll have to uh dig into it. Yeah. I mean, people don't really spend you know, we don't really think about how many of those um you know jets are uh you know have no windows. They're UPS.

[39:11] They're FedEx. >> All cargo. >> A lot of cargo in the skies, right? And not to mention the passenger planes are also carrying mail. I think I mentioned to you one time I had to fly I had to fly from Seattle to Gnome, Alaska with Gary Johnson and it was a big like a 767. I was like what? They have that many people flying to Gnome, Alaska from Seattle to warrant a

[39:42] 767? I mean you take those to Europe and back. Well, it turned out there were only like 20 seats on the plane. all in the back and all of the rest of the plane was cargo. Everything was cargo. >> Yeah, it's crazy. >> Um, we should talk. Um, I do want to I do want to like not let go about I do want to a little thing about the mayoral election and all all the elections yesterday. I mean, we're now about to see and this was the thumbnail today, right? A war in the Democratic party, right?

[40:12] >> Absolutely. Yes. I mean, wouldn't the right thing to do, the smart thing for the DNC be to say, listen, we have multiple approaches. Um, you know, during Occupy Wall Street, we used to say like different tactics for different situations. Um, you know, democratic socialism, look, is that a model that can be replicated everywhere? No. But can it be replicated uh for the mayor, the mayor of Los Angeles and San Francisco? Sure. You bet. Um and like or

[40:42] Chicago or Boston, sure, Miami maybe. Um and it's like uh similarly, you know, but the corp so we're being told like well we're already seeing efforts just to to marginalize Mandani and say he's a quantum singularity. New York City is different. It's not like the rest of the country. I remember always thinking when people would say like that must be very strange to live in New York City. It's so different. And I would say, you know, more people live in New York City than anywhere else. So, actually, it's not

[41:13] that strange if you think about it. You know, like far far fewer people live in small towns. And so, I was um so I'm just think, you know, I'm just that's going to be their talking point. New York is weird. You know, that's that's them. But, you know, clearly what the Democrats nationally are doing hasn't been working, >> right? >> So, I don't know. It'll just be interesting. We know the war is a foot and >> see and and you and I both know that the Democrats don't have the foggiest idea

[41:46] what they're doing, right? So, are is this is this going to be the party of Abigail Spanberger or is it going to be the party of Zoron Mandani or is it going to be something in the middle or are the Democrats just going to throw up their hands again and say, "Oh, we don't know what to do. Um, but you should vote for us because we're not the other guy." [snorts] >> Yeah. I don't trust him. I don't trust any of them. And even if even if the right thing to do is to make the party more in line with Zon Mandani and his

[42:16] positions, I'm just saying if what's to keep the DNC leadership from just stealing the next presidential nomination from somebody who is more in line with Zon Manny than with Abigail Spanberger? I I don't trust them. We need we need multiple parties in this country. Just like we used to have as recently as a hundred years ago, there were legitimate viable parties. In in the 1968 election, George Wallace won what, six, seven, eight states.

[42:48] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We need we need third parties, several of them. >> I like this. Yeah, we do. Uh Freud 6624 is asking over on YouTube if we're seeing a growing presence of more radical positions in younger people, particularly Gen Z, both right and left. >> Good question. >> It's a great question. Um I think we're certainly seeing greater radicalization across the board. Young people always tend to have more extreme opinions anyway, but I mean the right has been

[43:19] really true. Young right wingers have been really radicalized in by the internet in recent in the last 10 years. >> Yes. >> And I think the same thing's been true. I mean, yeah. I think the short answer is Yeah. >> Wow. Yeah. >> So, I mean, that's also because we're in a pre-revolutionary moment, you know. >> Yeah. I wonder what Robbie would say about that because he's young and he's very right-wing. >> He's not as young as you think, though. He looks >> How old do you think he is? I just

[43:49] assumed he was about 30. >> He's 48. YO >> WHAT? >> I know, [laughter] >> Robbie. Kudos to you, man. >> But clean living. >> Wow. That's that pure air up there in Montana. >> Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy. Oh my god. >> Frazzmat says, "Mani promised not to appoint a new police commissioner." Max Blumenthal made a good point that the NYPD is a state within a state and its commission has an unusually has a

[44:21] usually tight relationship with Israel. That is true. >> That is true. And and Max Blumenthal was he hit that nail right on the head. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I I agree with Fire Sig. Using the term radical is ridiculous. How about a Gen Z is seeing things for what the environment represents? Yeah. They're fatalistic, man. They they know they've been handled a shitty [ __ ] you know, hand. >> My son and I, my third son and I have had this conversation a hundred times. I'm going to go see him in a few days.

[44:52] We're going to have this conversation even more. Um, how does somebody in this generation afford a first home, for example, unless you want to >> possible? >> Yeah, it's not it's not possible. Unless you want to live out in the sticks somewhere. uh you can't like he he knows that he will never again live in Arlington, Virginia. It's not possible. I remember when I got back from Pakistan, I had so much money from

[45:22] overtime and danger pay and language differential and post differential and pdeium. I bought a house. I bought a house, a little one. Um it it was 1,200 square feet on three floors. That's how small it was. And I paid I still remember I paid uh 347 for it. 347,000. I sold it two years later for 721 and now it's a million bucks. A,200 square foot house. A million

[45:54] dollar. And I remember my my ex and I at the time marveled over this Washington Post article that and this was like I say 20 years ago that Arlington had sold its first million dollar house. And I said, can you imagine that? $1 million for a house. It's just insane. Okay. Not too long ago, 20 years. Well, now the average home price in Arlington is 2

[46:31] million. And that's every house, the average. And in my neighborhood, which is no nicer than any other neighbor, it's just a normal, you know, middle class, middle neighborhood, the average is 3.2 million. I can't afford to live. I I I have two housemates and we live in a townhouse. Otherwise, I could never hope to live here. What about my kids? My kids grew up here and they'll never ever be able to live in a place like this.

[47:01] Something's got to be done. >> Otherwise, we're headed for an economic catastrophe where an entire generation is cut out. >> Yeah, I think we're already we're already there. Um, by the way, Village idiot um has a really good point here in regarding third parties, regional parties, successful healthy regional parties like the old Democratic Farmer Labor Party in the upper Midwest >> and conservative versions too. And there were others historically. >> Um there was like the city party in

[47:33] Philadelphia >> um and uh stuff like that. Um, >> yes, >> there that that could >> it's a really good point. It's vi it's more viable, right? I mean, you can start locally and then try to expand regionally. Uh, but you get you get a foot in the door. >> Yeah. Um, village idiot says, "A house. Who cares what's your local school look like? No one cares. Privatize your hospital. No one cares. Privatize transport. Private. Wake up. It's different in Arlington. The the schools

[48:06] are absolutely magnificent, which is why we moved here in the first place. It was before we had children, but we wanted our children to have access to Arlington County schools. Um the hospital, they've saved my life more than once. I mean that quite literally. Um although it is likely private. Transport is not only public in Arlington. it it was free for 5 years from COVID onward and now they just implemented a flat $1

[48:37] fee. You can go anywhere in Arlington County, one buck. So, it's unusual here. And this is a place that's very very um where people are very successful financially, but they voted 77% for Barack Obama. So, >> yeah. Yeah. >> Crazy. Um, >> what are you seeing? >> I'm looking at uh Well, well, sorry. What am I I'm I'm looking at the uh uh

[49:08] the the the chat. Phil 282 says uh Weather Underground is 40 plus years ago. It's all Antifa now, and it's just the name for everyone pushing out more terrorism. I think that's, you know, that's [ __ ] propaganda to be honest. I mean, there just Antifa hardly exists. It's, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I have to agree. I I'm not a believer that Antifa even is a thing. I mean, people can put a mask on and call themselves Antifa, but it's not

[49:40] You can't like join Antifa. It's It just doesn't It just doesn't exist. >> No. >> As an organization, >> that would be totally right. Um All right. So, let's talk a bit about um Sean Duffy. He's the He's the Secretary of Transportation. >> Um he says that if the government shutdown continues next week, starting roughly Tuesday, um he's anticipating having to shut down swads of airspace over the United States due to a lack of

[50:11] air traffic controllers. He says there's um 3,000 they're 3,000 controllers short. Um, and they're uh they have already mass chaos. He describes it at big airports like uh JFK and Newark um and in right across the river from New York City uh where already the lines are getting really long. TSA is not uh is short staffed. People are quitting or um just sort of doing sickouts. Um and uh

[50:43] he's think he's saying that like there's going to be a meltdown well before Thanksgiving. uh major travel weekend. Um that's a major problem. Um is he bullshitting or is this just uh the Trump administration trying to pressure Democrats? >> Uh no, I think he's I think he's being serious. I flew in from Spain a couple of days ago, what um Sunday? And um the lines getting through security were

[51:15] ridiculous. I I passed them as I was leaving. But I mean, there just weren't enough TSA people processing travelers through security, number one. But when I was coming in through immigration, I filled out the it's called MPC, the mobile whatever, whatever. >> Yeah. You know, on your phone. >> I have that thing, too. >> I don't know why everybody doesn't do that because there's never a line. You just blow right through. So anyway, the immigration guy is just sitting like

[51:45] this and he goes, "Look at the camera. Welcome home." And I [laughter] just just walk past and I'm in. That's it. It's like, "Wow." It's cuz he's not getting paid. So he doesn't give a [ __ ] [laughter] >> What country? >> I think this is bad. We're headed for something bad. Last night at midnight, >> it's not even LIKE WE'RE BROKE. IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE WE'RE like we're like Molly and our natural resource is rocks, >> right? No, there's plenty of money.

[52:15] >> We just we're just choosing not to use it. Like this like the snap stuff. >> We just don't We just We got the money. We just don't want to use it. >> We don't want to use it. Last night at midnight, this became the uh longest shutdown in American history. >> Yes. >> And there's no end in sight. >> None. >> No. And and I do think it's really important. And I talked a little bit about this on tmi yesterday, but I think it's really important to understand for the Democrats there is this is existential. Republicans don't understand it, right? Like if Democrats

[52:48] sign the continuing resolution now then the then you know they're Republicans are totally lying when they say, "Oh, we'll talk about subsidies for Obamacare." No, they won't. >> No, >> they won't sign it. No. And then next year, not only Obamacare collapses because, you know, that's propping up the entire system. By the way, it'll drag down private insurance, too, because Obamacare subsidizes the private insurance sector, too, for people who have like quote unquote normal jobs at big corporations and stuff. So, the whole health care system tumbles off a

[53:20] cliff, right? Which probably would benefit Democrats, but to their credit, they don't want that. But it it would be denying them their only major le legislative achievement in 30 years, right? So lit literally they would have nothing to say. What's the last thing you guys did? NAFTA. Oh, don't want to be bragging about that. Welfare reform. Don't want to be bragging about that. The crime bill under Biden and uh and you know and Clinton in the N. Don't want to be bragging about that. You have to go back to like Jimmy Carter. Did he

[53:51] he has no major legislative achievement. You have to go back to like the war on poverty to find a major democratic legislative achievement. So, you know, they can't let this go. It's literally like you're not even a party anymore if they let it go. That's all they have. It's it's literally the legacy of the modern Democratic party. >> Yeah. >> And if they lose it, they have nothing. You're right. >> And I'm not a fan of the ACA. I think it sucks. >> No. Nor am I. I I'm I'm telling you because I live it. It sucks. It sucks.

[54:22] >> Yes. It it's like but the thing is the you know it's one of those things that like as shitty as it is uh it's going to be it's only going to get worse. Uh Craig Dance is asking where does funding for ICE come from? It just comes from the federal budget. >> Yep. >> Phil [snorts] is insisting about Antifa. They have cells and international cooperation. The people just putting on masks also call themselves of this.

[54:53] >> All right. Well, you know, if that's true, can we see some evidence, please? >> Yeah, please lay it out. I I'm perfectly happy to change my position. >> Me, too. >> If I see the evidence. >> Me, too. Uh, Nicholas Franco is asking, "What is the Conservative Party of New York?" >> That's a good question. >> So, there >> is is it a legit party still? >> Not really. uh it's sort of like I mean if you look at the so New York City uh New York state actually has there's the old there's working families party uh

[55:24] which is a left-leaning party and there's the conservative party which is self-evident and basically when you go to vote the the line for the working families is almost identical to the line for the Democrats they just take cut and paste the name of the Democrat over to working families >> I if I vote for a Democrat, I will vote for the working families line just so that it supports them. But the truth is it's a shell. It's a husk. And then over on the same thing on the conservative

[55:55] side, the conservative party tends not to have its own candidates. >> Oh, really? So they just take whatever the Republicans do and >> Yeah, it's it is a shame. Yeah, it's not really real. I remember the 1980 Senate race in New York um when Jacob Javitz was suffering from Lug Garri's disease but decided to run for reelection in a in a crazy Republican year. He was a liberal Republican. He lost the Republican nomination to

[56:26] Alamato and then but he still stayed on the ballot as the liberal party candidate. So he split the vote with the Democrat and New York was cursed with El Damato for like three terms. Yeah, the I have a Yeah. Alamato. God, I I remember him very well. But he was the pothole he was the pothole senator. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yes, he was. That's how he kept getting reelected. >> He believed in that [ __ ] which, you know, not not wrong,

[56:58] >> right? >> Um trying to think if there's any last minute any any last minute stuff we have to talk about. Um we're going to have a lot more data on the election tomorrow. Um, you know, so it'll be uh Yeah, here we go. Jonathan Morris says, "The working families is basically the Warren wing of the New York City Democratic Party, >> except that they don't they hardly don't they hardly have any of their own candidates. >> That's a shame. That's a shame because they know they're going to make it onto the ballot and so that's 80% of the battle right there.

[57:31] Take >> seriously a waste." Mhm. >> I think, you know, the vibe I get is that basically they are um they're planning to uh they're planning to just do um there it's like a placeholder. We're going to do become a real party soon, but we're not really ready right now. We're like, you know, like next time, but we just keep we'll just keep the ballot access. We'll just use the Democratic thing. And then they, you know, they they're out to brunch and that's that's how it is every single

[58:02] time. >> Yeah. What a waste. >> It is. >> What a waste. >> Well, John, you're going to be out tomorrow. Um, >> yes, I'm going to be out and I'll be back the day after. >> We We'll see you again on Friday. Um, thanks everybody for joining us. We are here Monday through Friday. Uh, that is uh Mon at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time. Please, please, please go over to this apparently only works in the United States. givesgo.comwestglacaming.

[58:35] We'll that's how you're going to help us keep Robbie on the show. We'll we'll keep you up to date. Um sort of provide a therm thermometer about how much money we're we have so far and how close we are to our thousand per month goal here. Um it's still the beginning of the month, but we'd like to get this out of the way so we can stop talking about it and just do the show. Robbie's due to be back with us a week from Monday. So, we're looking forward to that. He's he's doing his two week final notice. Uh John, good luck tomorrow. >> Thanks, buddy. >> And uh looking forward to to uh seeing

[59:07] you again on Friday. Scott Stantis will be joining and Phil sitting in the John's seat trying to fill fill his big shoes. Um he and and uh please stay tuned for the TMI show with Ted Roller, Manila Chan coming up right after this. Thanks everybody and take care. Pleasure. [music]
