Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-10-10
URL: https://youtu.be/Jl-e9yAnTG0
Duration: 61:00

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[00:00] Good morning. You're watching te program with Ted R and John Kuryaku. And John Kuryaku is still in a tarantulafree zone. >> Yeah. Oh, I tell you. And I've got a I've got a Starbucks for the first time in two weeks. And life is good. >> Life is good. Uh when are you returning to the uh to the land of the mosquitoes? >> Literally as soon as you hit the stop recording button. I'm I mean I'm kind of kind of jealous but kind of not jealous. So both. Yeah.

[00:31] Um it's definitely one of those mixed bags. Thanks everyone for joining us. Uh I'm Ted Running the board today. So Robbie West is off. Um he is his prayer session went ran long. God does that sometimes. Um please like, follow, and share the show. Uh if you'd like to contribute, we still have the we're still trying to iron out the kinks with YouTube. Um and we think we will uh it in a matter of days probably by next week. But if you feel the urge uh and we really could use it a lot uh feel please

[01:03] feel please donate um to our PayPal account. Thank to those of you who've already done so. We really appreciate you. That PayPal address is our email. You can also email us there. And we've gotten some emails over there, John. I'll forward some of them over to you and we're going to reply to those. I'm I like replying to uh to people. So >> yeah, that's important to me. deprogrampodcast@gmail.com is the PayPal and the email. I will admit that if you PayPal, I'll probably reply sooner than if PayPal because I'm

[01:33] a capitalist at heart. Not really, but I'm a communist at heart, but you know, we're live in a capitalist system, so that that's how it is. Um, lots to talk about today. Um, John is on the some some guy named Joe Rogan's show. Is that a thing? It was quite an experience yesterday. You know, you have to you have to sign a non- non-disclosure agreement uh before you go on on the show. So, so I couldn't bring anybody with me.

[02:04] >> I couldn't tell anybody the address of the studio or the location of the studio. I wasn't allowed to take any pictures. >> Um I wasn't allowed to bring my phone in with me. You know, that kind of thing. Well, those are basic security protocols. And frankly, I don't blame them at all. >> I'll tell you what, he had he had five of the biggest guys I've ever seen. Like right out of a WWE, you know, >> so like a 19 like 1980s New York City

[02:35] nightclub doorman. >> That's exactly what they were. >> Like refrigerators. >> Exactly. And security cameras. Like every inch of this compound was covered by cameras and then an entire wall of video monitors. >> Chainling fence with with concertina wire at the top. It was incredible. >> Wow. >> And it turns out that >> he used to broadcast from the same studio where Alex Jones broadcasts from.

[03:07] >> Oh wow. Wow. and Alex Jones had one of his reporters murdered just a few blocks from the studio in June and um Oh, >> so Rogan said, "I'm out of here." >> Uh that that that seems reasonable. >> Yeah. But security was very very important and nice guy, very down to earth, very normal, friendly, average. >> He was a little bit late. He said there was traffic. He came in about 10 minutes late. We went straight into the into the

[03:39] studio and there were no like pleasantries or anything. He just straight into it >> for three hours. Yeah. >> So, um that's great. So, yeah, three-hour interview. I mean, it's like it's funny, right? Because, uh you that that's just an example of how the you know, podcasting has really changed things. Uh you know, it's like on television if you got a five minute interview that was a wide ranging long interview. Oh yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And three the funny thing about the three

[04:10] hours was for the first hour he didn't say a single word. >> He he just kind of sat there looking at me and then he was just like [ __ ] I didn't realize it was that bad. You know, stuff like that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean it's true that when people hear stories like yours in detail, it's the details that really do, you know, bring it across. I mean, that's how you experienced it. And even, you know, even a even a one-hour retelling is like obviously highly

[04:40] compressed, right? >> Highly compressed. >> But still, I mean, you know, you experienced it over the course of years. I mean, hell, you're still experiencing it. >> Yeah. >> And so to get this right now, right? >> I mean, it never really leaves you. I mean, even if you get a pardon, um, you know, it's >> it's I think the word I think the word smeared from the McCarthy era is such a good word for it because it's really true. You you know, you you've been psych you get psychically and psychologically and spiritually smeared.

[05:11] And, you know, you you can't ever really wash it all away. >> No. No. There's you. It's not possible to fully recover from something like this because it changes not just you but the people around you, >> right? >> And and you can't you can't go back in time and try to fix things. My my life will never be the same. >> Well, that's a good segue. Um maybe we should get right into the the news and obviously Gaza is at the top of the news and Gaza is a place that um you know is

[05:43] never going to be the same really. And uh and I I think honestly Israel is never going to be the same. I mean the Israelis lost their humanity in this whole thing. Um and uh I don't know how they get it back. They certainly don't get their reputation back. Um I got to just say this one thing, this thought I had, you know, now you know there's going to be an influx of aid. There's also going to be an influx of Western news reporters and there and for the first time there's not going to be any denying on the part of of Israeli

[06:14] apologists uh exactly what the the full scale of what Israel did there. If Israel thinks this is going to this is the beginning of the road back to their reputation, they're mistaken. It's going to be the opposite. It's going to get it's going to get worse as people see what they did. >> Yep. I think that's exactly right. And you know, this is a pet peeve of mine and I know that you know the Israelis or their agents are watching this because they watch everything. >> Hi guys. >> But there are a couple things that bother me very much uh about this issue.

[06:48] Number one, why in the world does the mainstream media say Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners? Why? The Palestinians are hostages, too. You just scoot people up off the street and disappear them in prisons. They've been kidnapped. They're hostages. Same as yours are. They're hostile. Number one. >> Number two, you know, we hear like, "Oh my god, the

[07:19] Israeli hostage was released and he's all skin and bones and they starved." Have you looked at the Palestinians? >> Yeah. In most by most accounts, the Israeli hostages actually got the lion's share of whatever food was available to their captors. >> That's right. The Israeli hostages were treated better than the Palestinian hostages were. >> Oh, yeah. No, I mean, Palestinians have died in in in captivity. I mean, there's no evidence that um there's no evidence that any uh I'm sure it's happened, but

[07:51] I mean, there's no solid evidence that Israeli hostages have been murdered. um they've been killed by, you know, by IDF bombing and shooting and stuff like that. >> Yes. >> But, you know, and by the way, hostage taking is not is obviously inexcusable of civilians in particular. >> Um but yeah, no, I I think it's like the the narrative has just been way over the top. So, we're going to talk about Gaza. We're going to talk about Leticia James, who um has been uh is now in the crosshairs of the Trumpies. Um, I like

[08:24] this story out of Chicago where a judge basically has issued a formal order saying, "Hey, quit beating up and targeting journalists and protesters at ICE protests." Um, like that guy from Fox. Although, God, that spin machine crazy. >> I thought that was Antifa. the Antifa PD. Uh Cuomo and uh Cuomo is uh has picked up pretty much all of the Eric Adams vote in the New York mayoral race. Um but it's not going to be enough

[08:55] to overcome uh Mamani's lead. Mandani is going to be the next mayor of the city of New York. And the president of Peru has been impeached. I thought this was a big story because it's unanimous, right? I mean, the of course uh no, you know, there's some crying today for the over in the White House over the Nobel Peace Prize, which did not go to Donald Trump. It went to a right-wing Venezuelan opposition politician. So, we'll get into all that. What should we do first, John? >> Wow, there's so much. Um, you know,

[09:28] let's let's do it let's do it a little differently today. Let's let's hit some of these smaller issues so we can we can knock them out. >> Let's do it. >> Um, Maria Machado. Uh, now I'm going to have to learn her full name. What's her name? >> Maria. Karina Machado. >> Karina Machado. Machado. You know, correct me, Ted, because I I'm not an expert on Venezuela. >> Nor am I. >> I thought she was a I thought she was like the female Juan Guyaido. >> She is. Yeah, that's basically it. Yeah.

[09:59] Well, today the Washington Post is saying that she now joins the ranks of Nelson Mandela, Angansuchi and other laurates who have challenged autocratic rule. Well, Angansuchi is no hero. She's a human rights criminal. But anyway, um yeah, it was my understanding that she was just another Juan Guyaido. She's in hiding apparently, so it's unclear whether she will be in Oslo

[10:29] uh in person to accept the the peace prize. Uh but I wanted to ask you, you know more about about Venezuela than I do. Do you think that this is part of the Western effort to to weaken the Maduro government? >> Yeah, I do. Um it's it's really kind of transparent and cheap. Um but I think that's what it is. It's just literally um you know like Maduro look Maduro's under siege right I mean he's got US warships right off the coast. He's got US drones blowing up uh Venez you know

[11:02] Venezuelan flagged boats that may or may not be affiliated with drug cartels that um uh you know he's already offed like you know what 25 Venezuelan citizens or more. Um you know God knows um you know the pressure is on. That's not even counting all the sanctions. And there's a massive propag I think this is part of the massive propaganda campaign against the Maduro government. So, uh, you know, it's kind of like Hugo Chavez 2.0. They just, um, the US is determined to have a puppet government in Venezuela as the

[11:33] largest, uh, oil producer in the Western Hemisphere. And I think it comes down to that. I think it's really just that simple. Um, it was a disappointing and strange choice. I could have thought of a lot a lot better choices. I mean, I would have rather see Greta Thunberg get it. You know what I mean? >> You know, as much as that girl bothers me, um, she deserved it. >> You know, she actually like walks the walk and deserves it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, yeah, I have to agree with you.

[12:06] >> So, yeah, we'll we'll follow that. Um, and so let's we'll show Oh, then while we're in Latin America, let's scoot over to Peru. Um, I don't So, >> yeah, I I didn't follow this at all. I was surprised when I saw your note. >> Yeah. Well, I I hadn't been following it either. I mean, Peruvian politics are always kind of weird to me. Um, but basically, apparently the country has been ravaged by a massive out of control crime wave. Um, basically you can't drive a bus in uh in in in Peru

[12:38] apparently without being threatened with death unless you are you pay out uh shakedown money. Uh businesses have been bombed in for you know for not paying protection money. Basically extortion is the national industry now in Peru. and uh the gut the president who's just been ousted, Dina Bulawarte, uh she's a uh right sort of a center right I think it's fair to say more right than center um ruler and she had had pretty pretty

[13:08] broad support but basically you know one of the reasons you elect right-wingers is for law and order and if you don't get law and order there's no reason to have her around so the in the provian system uh one house of parliament right I don't think they have a biccameal legislature there. Um, one they they they can remove the president and they did and they did it unanimously 122 to zero. >> Oh my god. >> So it's a stunning rebuke. So she goes

[13:38] from being president just like just like that the stroke of midnight she's unemployed. Um so she's basic so so basically um there's all sorts of thoughts that she may be fleeing into exile to to go to Ecuador. The Ecuadorians uh are haven't said whether they're going to accept her or not, but that would indicate to me that she's not even viewed as like physically safe in her own country. Um, there was a machine gun attack

[14:08] against in the middle of a concert on Wednesday that killed uh the four four members of the band while they were playing. >> Oh my. >> So, people just basically are like >> basically Congress is like, "Fuck this. She's out. >> I assume they'll have new elections." See, and this is another country that's having catastrophic political developments and is utterly ignored by the Western press and it's a western country. I didn't know any of

[14:40] this stuff. >> No, it's true. Well, it's because the the news is not good in our to say the least. Question for you, John, from Longhorn Clement. Did the topic of Mike Baker come up on Joe Rogan's show? I really wanted you to tell Joe how Mike got fired from the CIA. >> Well, yes and no. The very first thing he asked me when he walked into the studio was, "Hey, do you know my friend Mike Baker?"

[15:11] And I said, "Oh, sure. I've known Mike for years. In fact, I replaced Mike in Athens and I worked with his wife in London." And then he says, "Okay, we're on the air." Um, and then he just changed the the subject. So that was literally all I got to say was, "Yeah, I know." >> That was it. And then he never came back to Mike Baker again. >> That's kind of analogous to the world of cartooning where, you know, if you meet another cartoonist and you say and they

[15:43] say, "Oh, I know your work." >> That means they means they don't like you or your work. But it's like but they know it. >> I always say I admire your work. >> See that's different. Yeah. Or I like your work or your work is great or whatever. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. So we could we could we could talk about Cuomo. >> Yeah. Let's talk about Cuomo. So you were right. You predicted that he was

[16:14] going to get all or almost all of Eric Adams support. And that's exactly what happened. But with that said, it's nowhere near enough to win this race. And look, man, we're already on the 10th of October. Uh the the race the the elections in three weeks and and I'm assuming that >> it's actually earlier than that because we have early voting here in New York. >> That was my next sentence. Yeah. I've already voted in Virginia for the for the gubanatorial uh race. So, I just

[16:44] assume New York City's is an advanced, you know, an advanced uh constituency that has early voting. >> Well, New York City in many ways is not an advanced country uh city. Uh you know, I mean, we have a subway system that still runs on DC power. Um but, uh it's definitely Yeah, the we're we have early voting uh and we have ranked choice voting, but it's it's none of that's going to matter. I mean, Mandani's lead I I is obviously

[17:14] insurmountable. >> Yes. >> Current poll shows um Mandani for at 46, Cuomo at 33, Curtis Leewa, the Republican nominee at 15. >> Um so with a with an error message with an error of plus or minus 4%. Which is >> Did you see day before yesterday Rudy Giuliani endorsed Curtis Leewa? >> Oh well, I mean he is the Republican nominee. Yeah, but but Giuliani was a lifelong Democrat, was he not?

[17:44] >> Well, he was, but not as mayor. I mean, you know, he he ran as a Republican as mayor, >> but I mean, you know, the Republican party line, you know, under under Giuliani and Bloomberg was kind of just sort of like lying around doing nothing. So, it was an opportunity for politicians who didn't who were frustrated by the intricacies of the Democratic machine in New York. like, "Okay, I'll just step outside of that." And everyone kind of like knew wink wink, nudge nudge. I'm I'm for a woman's right to choose. I'm I'm progay. It's all fine. You know, I know I'm a

[18:16] Republican, but >> Right. So, >> I'm one of the good Republicans. I could just hear him saying it. >> So, Cuomo, I mean, obviously, uh, you know, the powers that be in New York have to be accepting the reality here at a certain point. Now, I'm interested in seeing what's going to happen with the landlords. Landlords are warehousing about one out of four rental units in New York City. Uh hoping for a law that passed in 2019 under former mayor uh mayor uh Delasio to change. They're

[18:46] basically hoping that they're going to be able to uh raise the rents uh under going back to the pre209 rules. That's look whatever Mandani happens does or doesn't do, he's not going to reverse that law. So the So when he So landlords are going to have to come to Jesus and they're going to have to decide do we a try to figure out a way to like get rid of Mandani like impeach him or something. B, do we uh sit tight for four years and keep these units warehoused all this time and and collect

[19:18] zero rent? Or do we do we internalize the new valuations of our properties that are worth now considerably less than they were before 2019? And then that would that last part would mean that some landlords maybe many landlords would walk away from their properties and allow them to be abandoned or go bankrupt or burn them down for the insurance money as happened in the Bronx in the 1970s. But it's going to be I mean there's going to be repercussions here, you know, in terms of the in terms

[19:49] of the rent. Tell me something, Ted. To to do something like like to um to, you know, revoke previous legislation or whatever. Is that done by the city council? And isn't New York City's city council just gigantic? >> Yes. Yes. John, you may not know, you personally are on the New York City Council. You just never showed up. Um Yeah, we all are. Um you know, my cat is Clovis. No, I mean know it is it is a

[20:19] gigantic city council. I think I don't even know. I think it's 65 members, I want to say, if I had to put money on it. It's absurd. And yes, um everything has to go through city council. Um it's a very left-wing um you know, basically it's a DSA left-wing city council. I don't think there's a single like conservative on it. Um you know, a conservative on the New York City Council is basically like a Hubert Humphrey Democrat. Um, and so they're going to be um, so they're going to be

[20:50] extremely acquiescent. They're going to be very happy with this mayor. This mayor is going to get along great with city council. So, you know, they anything they propose, he's going to sign. Anything he proposes, they're going to pass. So, that there's not going to be gridlock in in city hall in that way except for just the fact that New York City just can't can't respond to anything. I mean, for example, there's a crisis with ebikes. Um, and people are getting killed all the time by speeding ebikes, but but the city just can't, you know, doesn't seem to I

[21:22] mean, just yesterday, I was listening to local uh WNYC talking about like why the city isn't doing anything. Well, there's 15,000 ebikes, John, so how are they going to regulate them? I'm like, they regulate 8 million New Yorkers. I mean, how many cars are there in New York? How many truck? There's 15,000. What does that even mean? That's the stupidest explanation in the world. But that's what they that's literally what they say. >> Oh my god. Yeah. So, we're not we

[21:53] shouldn't expect So, we're we're going to expect Mandani to win, but we shouldn't expect these cataclysmic changes that so many people are disingenuously uh predicting. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, there's not going to be hammer and sickle bunting over Time Square, >> as much as I would love to see that. Um, so yeah. No, I mean, look, I I think the thing is that >> the mayor is he's this m this mayor is going to have honestly one major problem and nobody's talking about this. There

[22:24] are three loai of of power in New York City. The cops, the uh there's the uh real estate, and there's Wall Street. None of those are in Mumani's pocket. Mumani has the voters, but that the voters elect you, but you can't govern without having one of them, right? Like Giuliani had the police, >> Bloomberg obviously had Wall Street, Ed Cotch had real estate. >> Um, you know, Delasio had nothing and he

[22:54] was extremely ineffectual um as a result. So Mumdani's problem is that he's going to always have to go straight to the New Yorker to to New Yorkers for approval of anything. New Yorkers are divided about a lot of issues that you know out non- New Yorkers don't care about like yeah you know um >> a lot of stuff relating to schools like do you do tracking or do you have you know we have we have public we have high schools that are for that are elite um and they keep changing the rules as to you know whether they're going to try to make them more racially diverse or not

[23:26] and you know schools like Bronx Science and Styver which are you know very hard to get into you per great math and science scores Um, so the point is they're going to argue about stuff like that, but I think Madamani is not going to. First of all, if he can freeze the rent, that'll be like a year or two. Okay? I mean, it's it's just and even freezing the rent when the average rental is $5,000 a month. Um, freezing the rent isn't really that big a deal. The rent's so high already. I mean, a

[23:57] rent reduction would be significant. Um, would matter more. And you know, as for the the grocery stores that you know, your friend, the Greek uh Gustades mag magnet loves >> like John Katimis, >> it's going to have no effect because there's going to be five stores for the entire city of New York for 8 million people. Who I don't care how big they are, it's not going to make any difference. >> He's gonna he's going to move to St. Petersburg, Florida. It's like promise. >> Okay. >> Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Yeah.

[24:28] >> So, yeah. So there's going to be like no really truly um it's not the rise of socialism. Um really truly you know what is a democratic socialist? It's a it's a liberal in the 60s. That's what it is. >> Yeah. That's it. That's all. It's literally that's literally all it is. If you look at democratic socialism today, we're talking about Lynden Johnson. >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. >> With the Vietnam War aside, we're talking about Lyndon Johnson. >> Question here from Cle is there any

[25:00] validity to recovering revenue from empty living spaces by taxing landlords uh for sitting on them? >> It's a good question. >> Yes. I mean, yes, you you look, the thing is there's eminent domain. This these properties could be seized. Many of them commercial um you know, spaces that have been boarded up and covered with graffiti for years are obviously an eyes sore. um you know you empty units become prey for squatters and uh drug dealers and stuff. So there's I I've

[25:31] always said this. I think it should be forget taxation. I think it should be against the law to have a a unit remain empty more than a certain period of time. You could make that period very long. You could say you know property rights are very important. You could say five years or whatever. >> That is long. Yeah. >> But at a certain I would say two years would be like fair. like you got to rent and it's going to yeah it would have a depressing uh a depressing effect on rent which we need a you know desperately but yeah no and and you know certainly a moderate solution would be

[26:02] to t right now the landlords they can take the they they can take deductions on the very sizable ones on the uh warehouse units so I hate that I mean just get rid of the tax incentives that they currently have and you know you'd see more units come line. >> Wow. Yeah, I like your idea. Five years, you know, in the greater scheme of real estate is not really that terribly long. >> No. >> And it might put some pressure on um on

[26:34] rental prices. >> It would roll by. I mean, at a certain point, they'd be like, "Ah, shit." >> Yeah. I mean, I personally think, you know, I mean, as a former son-in-law of a landlord, um, you know, I never my he always had the my father-in-law always had the idea like it's better to have low rent and and have someone occupying that space all the time than it is to, you know, give it than to have uh people have a lot of churn. You always have to clean, you have to paint, you you know, and and every month is killer on that

[27:05] spreadsheet when you see you have that zero rent. You don't want that, you know, >> right? >> You want you want tenants. I mean, that's the point. That's what you're in the business of. >> Um, should we talk about Leticia James? >> Yeah, let's do that. Seems kind of mean-spirited. No, >> it definitely seemed although what she did to to Donald Trump was also >> he was very mean. >> A little meanspirited. Right. >> So, it is kind of funny, right? Because it's like a very So, Leticia James is charged with um she took out she had

[27:36] mortgages on two homes. She has a uh I forget which is which, but she has a house in New York. She has a house in Virginia. I think the Virginia house is a vacation home. Anyway, she when she applied for her mortgage on the Virginia house, um she claimed that it was her she the form that she filled out for the loan said that it was her primary residence. When you take out a loan and you on a house that's your primary residence, you get a better interest rate than when you when it's your second when it's a vacation home. Who knows what was in her mind when she

[28:06] did that. Was she thinking who's going to know who's going to care? Maybe maybe she was just like if when you close on a house and you have a pile of paper this high and they just keep they just keep to sign here, sign here, sign here, sign here. And it's like, yeah, you you promise you read all this. Uhhuh. I read all this. So maybe she didn't do that. She is the attorney general of New York. So probably I think people like that should be more careful. Um but anyway,

[28:36] she's accused of uh having benefited in $19,000 in in interest savings. And so this John this is really trivial, right? I mean it is it's a speeding ticket. I mean she's being prosecuted but no one's sending her to prison over this. I mean >> no she's not going to go to prison. No, >> this is to annoy her. It's lawfare. >> It is. It's lawfare. And I if you asked Donald Trump, "Do you believe this is

[29:07] lawfare?" He would probably say, "Sure, of course it is." Just like her prosecution of me was lawfare, he would say, >> right? And it was. >> And it was. Yes. Yes. >> I mean, look, Donald Trump lied to get loan. Uh he basically said, you know, hey, it's not the size of my apartment, it's how I use it to get a loan. So he kept he exaggerated about the um his assets in order to have more collateral than he really did have and got loan and got loans he shouldn't have gotten as a

[29:38] result. But so it's he basically committed fraud to get the loan, but he paid it back. I mean the the lender was completely whole, which is really like the main point of like these kind of fraud laws. So it's a victimless crime, but it's a crime. Um and you know he was and he was hit hard, right? Like hundreds of millions of dollars um for this for these business records at the time. >> And so you know and so that's that had to really hurt. I mean the Trump

[30:09] organization I think is still not licensed to do business in New York State. >> They're specifically banned from doing business in New York State >> and obviously that's where it started, right? So that's a I mean that's that's got to hurt. I mean obviously I'm sure but look li Democrats are going to say and they are saying that like uh you know Donald Trump has obviously weaponized the DOJ against his his enemies including Leticia um he's

[30:40] probably going to go he'll figure out if he can figure out a way to go after what's her name down there in uh Atlanta the prosecutor the RICO prosecutor he will right um you know he's he's gone after James Comey there will be more. Um, how do I mean, how do we feel about this? I mean, I'm really torn. It's like part of me thinks these are legit prosecutions. These are people who did bad things. >> So, it's like this is again, it's kind of like analogous to what we were talking about yesterday. Americans like

[31:12] the they like going after illegal immigrants. They don't like the way these deportations are are happening. And similarly here, I think I like to see public officials who are doing bad things punished, but I don't like the way this is being done. Does that make sense? >> It does. You know, I think really most most of us and I would even include myself in this um have these sort of vague ideological positions

[31:43] and then we have trouble laying them out for others and were we in positions of authority where we would have to implement them into policy, we would be unable to do so. I don't think this is unique to Donald Trump or to the Trump administration. Like for example, nobody wants to have undocumented migrants here who are raping and murdering people or carjacking people or killing. Nobody wants >> they can go.

[32:14] >> Yeah, they can go. But what do you do? I mean, it's not like they are carrying little signs saying I'm a violent illegal immigrant, >> right? And then the Trump response is just to scoop up everybody, throw everybody out. I I had to laugh. I I think I mentioned this yesterday. I had to laugh when the head of uh Latinos for Trump was scooped up last week. He's he's in detention now and he's being expelled imminently.

[32:45] >> They had a picture of him with this big sign, Latinos for Trump. >> You can't make that up. It's awesome. >> Joy Havana, buddy. John, we never talked about it, but what about the superintendent of the De Mo public school system? >> We We really have to talk about that because there's actually more to the story that I learned yesterday. >> Oh, yeah. >> What you're talking about is a scandal that should never ever ever have happened. There's a guy who until last week was the

[33:15] superintendent of schools for the city of De Moine, which is the largest school district in the state of Iowa. And frankly, it's one of the largest school districts in the Midwestern United States >> for sure. >> So, um, >> it's a real De Moines's a real city. >> It's a city. A real city. >> By the way, John, do you know what what do you know how De Moines got named? I love this story. >> No idea. I just assumed it was a native name. So, I don't know if it was Louiswis and Clark, but it was like basically western explorers were traveling along that the river there and

[33:46] um they had an a local Indian guide helping them who um you know spoke native languages. Um I think it was the uh the Mohawk um uh language. I could be wrong about that. But anyway, the point is at one point the the the Americans colonist said, "So, what's up ahead down the river?" And the guy said, "Oh, uh, he talked to a local. It's like, oh, De Moine." And so they assumed this is either like a place name or like a and and they they were like, "Okay, we c we

[34:18] Christian this De Moines." It came out about five years ago. Linguists uh have determined it's it means those [ __ ] >> Oh my god. >> Anyway, go ahead. So this this so about five years ago um the De Moines school district engaged a search firm. They needed to to find a new uh uh superintendent and so they

[34:51] paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for this search firm to uh identify a group of candidates. So they identified five, it was whittleled down to three. They interviewed the three finalists. They chose this guy uh as the uh as the superintendent. Well, it turned out that he didn't have a PhD in education. That was made up. And um it turned out he wasn't even an American citizen.

[35:22] >> He was here illegally. And apparently a year ago, ICE was on him and they realized this guy's a fraud. And so they went and interviewed him. So he knew that this was coming. >> What? >> He knew he was going to be scooped up, but he never said anything to anybody. And so last week, sure enough, >> why did he go to ground? >> Well, let's see this. He he tried too late. So when they went to get him last

[35:52] week, he jumped in his car and took off, right? Then jumped out of the car with a gun and ran. finally threw the gun away and Ice got him. >> What the [ __ ] >> That's what I said. Like, what? >> That's awesome. >> What was this guy thinking? So, now the latest development is day before yesterday. the De Mo school district sued the search company and the search company issued a

[36:23] statement that well you know in the interview process they should have weeded him out if he wasn't you know answering the questions properly and they were like no we paid you to weed him out you didn't even bother to check his academic credentials let alone whether or not he was even an American >> yeah I was going to say doesn't he have to fill out an I9 form to be become an employee. >> Yes. And it was all fake >> and it didn't come and Yeah. When you

[36:53] when you do that, you can submit that to what used to be the INS and you know and and like they they they come back. There's E-Verify, right? That's what it's called. >> Yes. That's right. >> So they didn't everify clearly. >> No, they probably said they did. Anyway, I I've been so interested in this because it's so nuts and the the system fell apart at every step of the way and it resulted I mean nobody got hurt or anything but there's a lot of uh there's

[37:25] got to be a lot of embarrassment and this is going to cost this search firm a lot of money. >> Was he Well, I I should hope so. Um, you know, I guess it all goes to show when you outsource your uh your your your [ __ ] out to some company rather than doing your own HR hiring, what kind of thing can happen? Is there any word, John, on like whether he was a uh good superintendent? Was he good at his job? >> By all accounts, he was terrific and everything everything was moving

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[38:29] Alexa to open Westwood One Sports. If it's the NFL, it's on Westwood One. Um, so John, um, so just a little bit of uh, uh, housekeeping. Monday, no show because uh, of of Columbus Day or Indigenous Genocide Day, depending on your preference, or both. Um, so we will be back on Tuesday at at 9:00 a.m. Uh, also please like, follow, and share. Please consider donating. Uh, we we definitely have had some financial setbacks here due to YouTube and even

[39:01] with Rumble, we're we're having some glitches, which we're trying to figure out, but um, we really love doing the show and want to keep we want to keep doing it. Obviously, we're all having a good time here, so let's keep the the party going. Um, >> but so all right. Well, you know, this is definitely going to be this would have been a Lifetime Cable for women, you know, afternoon movie. >> Exactly. >> The wacky superintendent >> boyfriend. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. He Oh, yeah. Totally. Like, I wonder if he lied to his family, too.

[39:31] Right. Like, >> oh my god. >> It's uh Yeah. No, it's I mean, honestly, I feel terrible for him. It must have just been the stress of knowing that you've built this house of cards that can come crumbling time down any time >> at any moment. At any moment. >> Horrible. >> Yeah. >> And you know, it also kind of like makes us think about, you know, imig immigration policy, right? It's like sort of like look, the guy did a good job as superintendent. He was fine. You know, he was an upstanding citizen

[40:02] except for whole the whole like running away and carrying a gun with the possible obviously crossed his mind to using it against law enforcement. Not good. Um, you know, but overall maybe, you know, it should make some people think maybe we shouldn't have this level of enforcement. Anyway, I don't know. >> Ann Wilcox. Hi, Ann. Ann is saying the De Mo superintendent was a beloved high school principal in DC. >> What? >> I did not realize that. Oh, >> so he didn't just come out of the woodwork. He he had experience, which

[40:35] also means that the DC school board never bothered to check the guy's bonafites. >> Well, I think it probably starts there, right? Because I think once you've been a principal in DC, >> nobody's thinking like, let's see if he's an illegal immigrant. >> Yeah, that's right. That's right. Oh my god, >> that's >> Oh my god. >> Well, I kind of like admire the guy. Um but uh while we're talking about immigration stuff, John, um a judge has uh so there's been all these protests.

[41:05] It's really kind of interesting. So in the run-up to the rise to Hitler's seizure of power in 1933, um the Nazis would go out into the streets of Berlin and other German cities and basically cause chaos. Like they'd start street riots. They'd beat up socialists and uh and and Jewish people and other people, shopkeepers that they didn't like. and they caused a general atmosphere of unease and and and criminality. And then Hitler ran for chancellor partly on the on the grounds of if you elect me, I can bring law and

[41:37] order to Germany. And of course he could because he was the cause of the disorder and and I'm reminded of that u because of you know basically we're being told that that Portland and Chicago and these other cities are quote unquote hellscapes. If you watch, if you look at my Twitter feed, it's all full of right-wingers saying like, "Thank God, we're going to save Chicago. We're gonna save Portland." Uh, you know, President Trump is going to save them from the war, from the evil that's going on there. But it's all self-fulfilling,

[42:08] right? Because then meanwhile, lefties who actually haven't been doing [ __ ] because lefties never do [ __ ] um in these cities, they're like now they're pissed and they go to like the ICE office in Portland and protest. So, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's kind of the opposite of the 1933 thing. It's like, oh, the, you know, we're going to talk up the disorder, which will actually cause the disorder, which we will then claim we're ending, right? Basically, um, it's kind of clever. It's weird that it works in in an era of

[42:39] super hyper communications. But anyway, the judge is banning uh Homeland Security agents from going after journalists or protesters with riot weapons at ICE sites. They say first you have to warn someone that you're interested in in stopping twice with your voice and you have to have visible IDs. Um and uh if you if those two warnings uh like for example to disperse or whatever are ignored then you can step in and use but basically the judge

[43:11] has sided with the journalists who say that the journalists are being sided. DHS says like well you know we tried to protect journalists but you know it's a dangerous job and you never know. >> They're Antifa. >> Yeah they're Antifa. Or is it the Portland PD who are Antifa? If you believe Nick, what's his name? Uh, from Fox Sorter. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. I mean, literally that. And that's that's also what's so perverse and twisted about it. It's like a right-wing

[43:41] fever dream. Like, you know, Antifa the the Portland police arrested me because, you know, they're Antifa. No, the Portland police arrested you because they're [ __ ] Okay. That's why >> it's the opposite >> because they're like they don't care that you're a journalist. They don't care that you're a Fox journalist. You know that that's what happened here very soon. >> That is it. >> Uh any questions we have to get to here? Let's see. Um Chicago

[44:14] residents have been posting videos of them chasing ice out of their city. And to be honest, it's rather hilarious. I've seen some of these. I also like that in Chicago there's that there's that there's been viral videos like that guy who trolled ICE who basically was on his bike and he's like insulting them and giving them the finger which by the way is your first amendment right in the United States right you can >> that is constitutionally protected free speech >> annoying to me when cops say like oh you know you you're not allowed to be disrespectful yes you are

[44:46] >> yeah you are >> you are you can say [ __ ] you suck my dick I hate you. That's all legal. And like the thing is, so anyway, this guy did that and and then these fat ICE guys are like chasing him and and he's like he butts off and he's like all like in like slaloming down the street in Chicago as these guy I mean they look ridiculous. >> Yeah, they do. Yes, it's ridiculous.

[45:16] >> It's like Keystone Cops. All right. Well, shall we get to the main event here? I think we should. >> Yeah, I think we probably should. >> So, John, I have thoughts. I know that will surprise you. Um, so first of all, I was thinking the first and foremost, um, so the peace deal is first of all, highly remarkable. Very happy to see it going. I mean, you know, let's hope it lasts. Okay. First of all, for years be for through Democratic and Republican presidencies alike, John, you and I have

[45:48] been told that no one can control Israel. That Israel is a force of nature upon itself. That like Congress can't take away their money because it's guaranteed by law. The power of Apac is too strong to be overcome. And anyway, the Israelis wouldn't listen to us if we pressured them because they're maniacs, right? And >> now it turns out, well, you apparently you can pressure Israel and Donald Trump. >> Apparently, you can

[46:19] >> the will. >> It's about whether you want to or not. And Donald Trump got so pissed off about the strike against Qatar that he's just like basically who knows what he said behind the scenes, but I think it went somewhere along the lines like this. Cut the [ __ ] or I'm cutting you off. >> I think it was that simple. >> We We called it, Ted. >> We did call it. >> Either either Gutter's a major major non-NATO ally or it's not. It's either going to host the world's largest air force base or it's not.

[46:51] >> Yep. Yep. And the thing is and the fact that right now this look this is a piece a deal we we should talk about like the who's going to govern Gaza you know aspect of this but but basically like currently right Israel has lost Israel had has to withdraw >> um they're going to they're going to they're going to have to send back um you know they're going to get back their hostages which is good for everybody um they're going to get back you know they're going to have to give back hostages including prisoners who've been

[47:23] convicted of crimes back to the Palestinians, but the war is over. Basically, that's it. Like you they have to stop. And so really, I mean, it shows that like if Donald, you know, when Joe Biden and then Kla Harris sort of said there's nothing we can do, that was a lie. >> And and we knew it was a lie. And and those of us who said it was a lie were like repeatedly ridiculed and shouted

[47:54] down. >> That's right. That's right. Beaten about the face and head, I like to say. >> Yeah. >> That's that's what happened. And I mean and so and the other thing, John, is like we've also been told now by the Israelis and their Zionist apologists here in the States that they've been allowing you there's no aid blockade. you know, Hamas has been stealing the aid. Um, you know, the they've been allowing it all in. Well, it's part of

[48:26] the deal. Ham the uh the the Oh, and we were also told the UN can't be trusted. UNRA is infested with Hamas. >> Right. Right. Right. And they had to destroy ENRA because it was a Hamas front organization. >> So, ENRA and the UN are now preparing to flood the zone. So obviously ENRA is trustworthy and obviously uh uh and and John your signal just dropped. Um your video just dropped. I don't know if you can hear me. >> Can you hear me?

[48:56] >> Yeah, there you are. >> Okay. So So Honor is trustworthy. The UN has the aid ready to go in. Yeah. >> And the Israelis were blocking it. I mean this is now a this is now on the record. There's no denying it ever. But nobody's supposed to remember that stuff about Enra, right? It was it was expedient in the moment, but we're not supposed to bring that up. >> It's no longer relevant, >> right? Because the Israelis control the the narrative

[49:28] >> and and I guess do you think I think most people unlike us will have forgotten about the whole UNRA [ __ ] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. And I mean there people for who are, you know, who are currently living in Gaza who were fired from UNRA over this [ __ ] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> I wonder if they get their jobs back. I bet they do. >> John, let's talk about who's going to rule Gaza. So basically, Israel's big thing is it will not be Hamas. John, it

[49:58] will be Hamas. >> I mean, it will be Hamas >> and it has to be, right? I mean, this is kind of like who else is there? This reminds me of Afghanistan when um we had the when when the United States sponsored the lawyer Jurga, right? And the um and basically it was like all parties are welcome to come except the exiled king in Italy. We we'd rather not have him around because he's actually could might win this thing. >> Remember him? >> And yeah, he was old as [ __ ]

[50:29] >> Yeah. >> 90 something years old. >> Yeah. he would have been like the Joe Biden of Afghanistan. Um, and then there was and also the Taliban who represented maybe 80% of Afghan politics at minimum. Right? So here's the thing, right? Hamas represents at least 80% of Gazan politics of legit politics. There's never been any opposition party allowed to exist. It's like the Bach party. They had a complete monopoly on political power and jobs in Iraq, right? So, who

[51:00] the [ __ ] else is there? I mean, Palestinian technocrats. I mean, quit smoking hash. What the [ __ ] are you guys talking about? I mean, do you have any I mean, they are joking, right? They just don't know. Are they just floundering? Are they flailing? Is that all it is? >> They're floundering. You know, it's funny. People like to think that they're so perfectly in charge and then they realize that they've been overtaken by events and they're actually not really in charge. >> I like that.

[51:30] Man, what a crazy world it is right now. >> It is. I mean, it is crazy. Um, also, I'd like to also say that, um, and I, this is like I I come to praise Donald Trump again. Um, just, you know, just think about this accomplishment. Okay, I know the Nobel went the way it went, but let's be serious here. I mean, and I didn't vote for this man. Um, you know, I I voted for Dr. Jill Stein, but it's October

[52:01] 10th. He took office January 20th. He came in and ended the Gaza war within less less than nine months, right? I mean, so, you know, you if you if you I mean, think about Richard Nixon. He supposedly had a secret plan to end the Vietnam War, >> right? >> Which he never got around to doing really. Um, >> yeah. And, and as history has shown, he really didn't have a secret plan. >> It was [ __ ] Yeah. So, so you got, so now, but Donald Trump apparently, I

[52:33] don't know if I don't think he had any plan, but he was just like wanted to end it, and now it's over. Now again, Joe Biden and the Democrats, they sat on this [ __ ] and let it happen for o over a year, >> you know, and and it's I I would argue that like if that had if that war had ended before election day, Kla Harris would be president today. >> I I agree with you. >> Yeah. >> So So I mean, and I don't think the Democrats have learned their their their their lesson here, you know.

[53:05] >> Yeah. No. See, this is the problem with the Democrats, Ted, is that they never learn their lesson. Today, for example, not I'm not changing the subject, I'm just using this as an analogy. Uh there was a piece in the Washington Post about John Thoon, the Senate majority leader, the Republican from South Dakota. >> Um what's his strategy for dealing with the Democrats on the government shutdown? His strategy is to just wait until the Democrats fold. And he said it's because they always do fold. Well,

[53:36] that's that's reasonable. >> Yeah. >> But not this. I don't think this time. >> You don't think so? >> I think they will. >> Yeah. It'll take a while. >> Not on the budget. But I'm just saying on these other issues, there's no strategy. There's no deep thinking that goes into democratic policies. >> That's true. >> You know, like I' I said this on the show that I used to have with Michelle. When your campaign is vote for me because I'm not the other guy, that's not a winning strategy.

[54:06] >> It almost never works. It did work for Biden in 2020, but that was because of a unique set of circumstances. And I think I think look, I think the that went that way because Trump acted like a maniac over COVID. >> Um, if it wasn't for that, to this day, I will never understand why he ran away from his own vaccine. >> I have to agree. the vaccine was a major political triumph. Um >> it was >> and then like and then he thought I mean I know he was so deeply committed to his

[54:37] base strategy >> but I think in that that was a [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> Um >> what was operation >> warp warp speed. >> Um so John let's talk about this guarantee. I mean, so Trump issued a guarant Hamas basically the holdup that's being reported today was the the the the Hamas was kind of like there's one thing we really got to know. How do we know that the Israelis aren't going to break the ceasefire like they always do? How do we

[55:10] know that they're not going to attack us again? And Trump said, "I will personally guarantee that I will not allow the Israelis to do that." >> Yeah, those are >> what's the mechanism there? Let's say I mean would that mean that the United States would be >> militarily obligated to respond and attack Israel if or just to make a phone call and just say cut the [ __ ] or cut them off financially. I mean what does that look like? >> That's the more likely scenario. Or if you really want to get tough, I mean,

[55:40] the last time we had an American president really get tough with Israel, it was George HW Bush where he suspended housing loan guarantees and it nearly brought down the Israeli government. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Because we're never tough with the Israelis. Never. >> No. No. But but we keep being we keep we keep saying like what can we do? >> Yeah. >> You know you know what we are like? We're like a bad, you know, like you go to the restaurant and there's the terrible parent who the kids running around raising hell, making life

[56:12] miserable for all the other diners and there's like it's I hate to say this, it's usually the mom and the mom has a very soft voice and she's like sitting in her chair instead of getting up to get her kid. She's like, "Honey, don't do that to the nice man over there. Just come back." That's what we're like with Israel. Um we're like, "No, stop with the please with the Palestinians. Yeah, >> please be a little gentler with them. Don't don't touch them. Don't mess up their meal. Don't make them not eat. >> It's like >> that's it. That's it.

[56:42] >> And Donald Trump has finally won for the first time. Right. Like like you said, since George HW Bush for the first time, he's like, "Cut the shit." And they're like, "Woof woof." >> Yeah. That's right. That's right. So, who knows? You know, Donald Trump has surprised people before and maybe he will be tougher than any of us have have given him credit for. >> I think he will be because it's it's gone great for him. You know what I

[57:14] mean? Like he just did that and like everyone loves him. >> Yeah. >> You know, you've got Ted R saying nice things about you. You know, you're it's like that's unusual. >> Um and I'm not alone here. So, I think he's going to be I I think he'll there will be more. John, the the the we talked about this at the top of the show. The reporters are going to start going in. Everyone's going to see how [ __ ] horrible >> Yeah. >> Gaza, the state of Gaza is >> um there's not going to be any >> talk about a hellscape.

[57:44] >> That's the hellscape. There's not going to be >> There's so many implications here. I I don't even want to rank them. Israel's reputation is going to be even sunk deeper than it is now. And there's going to be so um and I think there's not going to be any appetite for exploiting them like you know Trump Gaza or whatever you know the the Tony Blair plan all that shit's out the window. There's just going to be a level of international sympathy that's almost analogous to the sympathy that there was

[58:15] for Jews in 1945 after the Holocaust and those camps were liberated and people saw what they'd been through. There's going to be that level of empathy and sympathy and people are going to just want they're going to they're going to demand I this is so ironic. They're going to demand that the Palestinians deserve their own state after what they've been through. I don't think there's any I mean what do you think? No, I agree. And isn't that what US policy says the endgame is anyway? I

[58:45] mean, since 1948, Harry Truman said an independent Israel and eventually an independent Palestine. >> Okay. Well, that was 1948. And that's reiterated every few years, you know, in in talks. Okay, it's time for an independent Palestine. >> Well, and here's the thing that's interesting, right? Like, okay, the Kurds have been waiting longer than the Palestinians independent state, >> but the Kurds kind of don't need it the way that the Palestinians need it. The Palestinians, this war, the Gaza war,

[59:19] proves that the Palestinians need a state to be protected from the Israelis or they're all going to be killed. >> The Kurds don't have that problem. Yeah, you know, there some of them, the Turks have killed some of them, but it's not the same thing. It's not on the same scale. So I I think that's why the world is going to be like they this is like there's a difference between like want, deserve, and need. >> Yes, >> that's right. That's a good point. >> So all right, let's see. >> Out of time. >> Any I think we are out of time. Anything

[59:49] else you want to talk about here? >> No, I'm glad everybody had a chance to join us. >> Me, too. Um, thanks everybody for joining us. Uh, have a great weekend. We are going to be back, like I said, Tuesday after the federal holiday. We always take federal holidays off here, even though neither of us are federal worker, but whatever. Um, I guess I guess if something really big happened, we could always do an emergency show, but um and we would do that, I think. Um, but anyway, we're here Monday through Friday, 900 a.m. Eastern time.

[1:00:22] John, you're headed back to the land of the tarantula and the mosquito. Are you bringing any special gear? Any like sprays or anything potions to make them go away? >> I'm buying some spray before I uh before I get on the plane. >> Don't get aerosols. They won't let you on the plane. >> They won't let you on. Yeah. Got to get the cream. >> Yeah. Yeah. You You need super super toxic [ __ ] >> It's bad, man. Just thank God. I'm going to knock on wood. I I don't have Zika virus. >> Yeah. Well, there's there's still they

[1:00:52] don't that doesn't exist out out out in Baja, does it? >> I have no idea. I know those mosquitoes could pick me up and fly me away. >> Producer Robbie West uh is chiming in on the chat that part three of John's interview with your with me is going to drop on Rumble Premium later today. So for those of you who are on Rumble Premium, uh there's part three out of four is now available. All right guys, thank you everyone and we will see you on Tuesday. >> Bye everybody.

[1:01:23] >> John, fly safe. >> Thank you.
