Title: Where the Hell Is Panquake? Surveillance & The Technocratic
Show: Truthwire
Date: 2025-03-01
URL: https://youtu.be/2M8u-MbN9jA
Duration: 71:00

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[05:19] the country fam is in big trouble big big big trouble big [Music] trouble wow what a day what a day it is Friday it is Friday so thankfully that's that's happening um you know y'all this is this been it's been a crazy a crazy day um we're obviously going to talk about what happened between Donald Trump and zalinski um but before we get to

[05:52] that we're going to start off with an update on what's happened in all these things Quake pan Quake um and how that's developed right because you know this is the age of the technocratic surveillance State like we're we're getting increasingly more fascistic and by the way y'all uh Donald Trump is not going to remove the Russian sanctions he's not

[06:24] going to remove the sanctions against Russia he's extended them for another year therefore we're still in the age where YouTube is suppressing content where they're taking things down and more than ever the people are asking for a platform that doesn't use the algorithms that Elon Musk for example uses these algorithms that he has uh pretty much maneuvered to only allow a certain segment of people that he likes

[06:56] and that say the things he wants to get seen on X and we've all seen this same with YouTube you know that was owned by Google and essentially decided to just crash down on anybody questioning Russia Ukraine anybody questioning you know talk asking questions about elections asking questions about covid we've all been there we've all seen these things so everybody's been asking wouldn't it be great if we could just have some sort of software some sort of

[07:28] social media platform that could potentially help free the internet make the internet free and also stop data mining us because that's part of the fourth Industrial Revolution right that's part of where we're headed this data mining of sorts where it's no longer just a war on Military targets and and countries but also a war that's psychological and it's always been this way but I think with the internet and with big Tech we're now entering an age where it's all about that data it's all

[08:00] about how to navigate these Waters to try to build a narrative and I think we're seeing it right now we're seeing that theatric and that narrative be built especially with this Trump Administration so um I want to start off by bringing in our guests famam did you have any comments before I bring in our guests no no let's let's rock and roll I just got a lot of questions so uh I'll be ready to ask right so um you know our Our Guest is a former CIA analyst he's also the uh an

[08:32] author he's also done multiple shows on RT including the whistleblowers and has his own podcast now um and that's John kyaku go ahead Jamie bring on John kyaku uh welcome John thanks for coming on thanks so much for the invitation it's good to see you good to see you too and you know um you you are a uh brand ambassador a panqui right and I am um you have been around and seen the

[09:04] developments too and I've just started working with them and I I have you know I have seen also just what it is and what what it has what these people who have been working so hard have accomplished and it's there's been a lot of negativity a lot of uh I would say so many questions that have surrounded pan Quake recently John they released a stack article where uh it was titled where the heck is pan quake and who is

[09:35] bad Banky and there in this long article it explained that pan Quake is now on a test net and is already worth millions despite Relentless establishment attacks and this international team is essentially taking on now a major Bank in a fight for a soul and this this this all started with a small group of very uh capable developers

[10:05] coming from an activist background from Occupy Wall Street people who have their roots in an anti-establishment movements right and now this has developed into what panqui is can you just start off by telling the audience that maybe is not familiar you know where is pank Wake now and what is bad Bank well good questions both I I want to say first that i' I'm very proud to have

[10:37] been associated with panqui from almost the very beginning uh I meet a lot of people I know a lot of people uh these people at pan Quake have devoted their lives to transparency to equality and to um to making sure that everybody has a plat form that they can trust that's not going to sell their data rat them out to some intelligence service I've never

[11:07] seen anything like it and the idea was a great one from the outset uh with that said it was such a great idea that it seems to have come to the very quick attention of big business foreign governments big Banks and um and the problems started really in September of 2022 so the the the company talk Liberation which sort of is the overall entity um it was banking in rikic

[11:38] Iceland we're we're not going to name the bank there's no reason to we call it bad Banky one day without any kind of warning bad Banky just froze pan Quakes accounts now the account was was seed funding uh it was it was the lifeline the company's lifeline and and they did this claiming at the same time that they suspected there was money laundering ongoing maybe even uh terrorist financing all of that was nonsense of

[12:12] course now my own personal opinion and I'm not an I'm not an investigator I'm not an attorney but my own uh opinion is that this had to come at the behest of a government Banks don't just freeze uh uh assets for for no reason unless they're usually so this this went on for a couple of years uh talk Liberation which was developing pan quake and pan

[12:42] Quakes Associated Services had no choice but to redirect its uh its resources to addressing this this banking situation so where the Strategic plans would have been executed by now this thing would have been up and running by now it was set back back because it had to take on these these Banks now the company went about it in a very very smart way they hired proven attorneys attorneys that had had success uh in Iceland uh

[13:13] previously and um and they pursued legal remedies and so that's where we find ourselves now the the company as you said correctly is valued in the millions of dollars they have dozens of employees now and I mean like listen I I'm I'm 60 years old but I'm not a lite I'm not an idiot I I'm pretty techsavvy I don't know what these people are talking about half the time they are so Advanced this technology is so Advanced that it's it's something that I think the world needs and so we're

[13:46] getting there again it's taken a little more time than we had wanted or expected because of this this intervention which we believe is uh is illegal and illc conceived but we're back on the right path and it's it's through the courts yeah yeah and I I want to highlight right that uh this is a story of of David and Goliath this is a story that I think a lot of people who can follow not just your work but all of our works in Independent Media and and

[14:18] people who have been on the side of the the outliers the anti-establishment The Hooligans the people who who just have a different point of view right at the very very core of it and who say look we're not going to take this abuse we're not going to allow these big institutions from whether it's Banks whether it's it's government entities whether it's somebody or something powerful that has just exerted this type

[14:50] of abusive Outreach overreach of power and that story I think affects not just obviously uh a group of of software developers that turned you know talk Liberation um panqui into talk Liberation which now has several products that I'm going to ask you about but also everybody that pretty much has anything that they're fighting for perhaps and that spirit is what we've

[15:20] seen also be reflected in in right now in in the latest uh news that's been happening all around the world world you know we're living in the age of genocide we're living in the age of mass surveillance and we need more than ever to get the information across so you know it's necessary really 100% agree you know and one of the things one of the many things that that I liked about panqui from the very beginning was that

[15:52] it's open source code no secrets no back doors no um uh advertising they don't take money from governments from billionaires you know it's everything is is for the little guy you you said just a few minutes ago a few seconds ago uh that this is a David and Goliath fight that is exactly what it is it's a David and Goliath fight and one of the things too that kind of surprised me was that this Bank unfroze the assets unfroze the

[16:24] accounts which then just proves that panqui had done done nothing wrong in the first place so you know it's time to pay the piper and I think that as this thing continues to to wind its way through the the courts in Iceland the truth is going to finally come out everybody's going to be back on track and uh this product is going to become available to everybody yeah so John I'm sorry go ahead no no no go ahead go ahead well I want to stay right here okay so John

[16:57] um this is a David verse Goliath story and you said so many things there that really resonated uh with what's going on uh you said open source right yeah uh I think that's so important because right now we've lost the the discussion remember there was this big discussion when Joe Biden was on office and a lot of you know the Twitter files came out Elon bought it and that's right I don't want to bag on Matt sayi he's not here to defend himself but I was really upset that we were going about saying that

[17:27] screenshots were okay and not Source material and also to me it seemed like to be a plan in which they were saying conservative voices were being censored all of us here are pretty much considered leftists I don't know if you consider yourself a leftist but I doong to me John kako and Ray McGovern are the leftist ex Feds that you know really kind of align with us they're very you know Anti-Imperialist me mentality what not how do we get past uh the Goliath

[17:57] situation because here they are they froze their Banks they own the satellites they own everything there how is pancake pancake pan Quake yeah going to be able to push back more of these hurdles that come up because right now I know you would probably agree with me that Twitter is not operating on an open source system and in fact they only lifting up their conservative populist right prot Trump Pro Zionist voices out there while all of us again are taking a back seat how do we get through all this

[18:29] Susie Dawson is the uh is the CEO of the company I've known Susie for years I don't think I have ever known someone as dogged as Susie whether it was defending Julian Assange even before he was dragged out of the Ecuadorian Embassy in London uh or whether it was pan uh pan Quake or or anything else that Susie's been involved in when she sets her mind to doing something she's going to do it and it gets done so you're right we don't own satellites uh I don't know of

[19:02] any friendly billionaires who have their own you know rocket ships to take up our own dedicated satellite this is going to be something we're GNA have to fight forever I suspect but one of the things that I've I've seen with my own eyes Visa v suie um is the fact that she takes it one day at a time and one step at a time and every time an issue pops up that needs to be dealt with she deals with with it and that's why the company was not killed when bad Banky froze the

[19:35] accounts the company actually grew while the company's accounts were frozen that says a lot and I have to just as an aside I have to tell you something else when sus first first approached me five years ago now to to five years ago this month actually to uh offer me this brand ambassador position one of the things that she said about panqui has stuck in my mind and it is that that the servers are powered using um like geyser power

[20:05] you know steam steam generated power from Icelandic geysers so not only is it open source open code and no back doors and no no uh capitalist you know intervention it's green on top of it all I'm still amazed by that like who even would think to do something like that I think it's absolutely fantastic so to answer your question the only thing we can do is just keep fighting

[20:37] that's it and and really this is something that all of us that are involved with the company have done in different ways whether it was in support of Julian Assange or Julian Assange and Wikileaks or you know cuttingedge Tech or human rights or or Palestinian uh civil liberties whatever we're kind of used to fighting that good fight and this is another one of those examples where you know I think for many of us I'd be bored with life if I didn't have fights like this to wake up for every

[21:09] day that's true that that's a good point um I want to bring back uh the conversation as to you know because there's again there's been you know criticism as to it's taking a long time right and I I listen to people's criticism because I understand like people are are hungry for something to fight yes something like Twitter Facebook you know meta all all of these you know powerful um institutions that

[21:40] basically data mining us that they're basically following us spying on us I'm glad you brought that up yes so yeah what I'm sorry yeah well I just was going to ask you like what what products have been released because I know panqui me has been released uh influencers are using it to substitute yes the links from like mainstream media say like for example you post the New York Times article but then you put it in this uh panqui thing and then it switches it to

[22:13] URL and exactly right yes so panques pnq K.M you've got to check this out um almost a year ago a group of um of panques went to a a major International Conference it was in uh Hong Kong last year and that was the first time where I was able to sit with my colleagues because we're spread out all over the world literally all around the world we we have meetings where people have to

[22:46] get up in the middle of the night to participate in these meetings because we're across all of the globe's time zones we all got together in Hong Kong and my tech colleagues uh showed me what panqui domme was it was so simple and so incredible at the same time for example just to come back to your original Point let's say I want to read an article so I go to you know bbc.com or whatever it is and I

[23:18] click on the article and I read the article well as soon as I click on it it's collecting all kinds of data on me all kinds of data and not just because I read the one article it will continue to follow me by depositing cookies on my on my uh computer and and the company well BBC in that case will sell my data to another company which in turn will sell it to um to advertisers and and really anybody who wants to pay the money for it including the FBI the CIA and the NSA

[23:51] which I also object to with panqui domme it will give you a shortened URL where they can't follow you anywhere you can read that article there are no cookies there is no collection of data there is no sale of your personal information your privacy is protected like I say very simple but very sophisticated and very safe I mean the

[24:21] the goal I would I would hope uh at the end of the day is that everybody would want to use something like this because at the very least it it will protect you as you surf the web now the reason why I think this was so this is so important is that here in the United States at least we're we're having a big problem it's it's an ethical problem it's also a legal problem and it's probably going to end up at the Supreme Court and that is that the FBI and NSA

[24:54] specifically um rather than to ask ask for a warrant to collect information on American citizens or what's called us persons any anybody in the United States as a citizen or with a green card instead of getting a warrant to collect information they just go to x and meta and all these other uh platforms and they just buy the data that's it so they can build a case against you you don't

[25:24] have any idea that they're doing it you haven't done anything wrong and more importantly no judge has any idea that they're doing this now people have said to me I hate when people say this but they say it all the time well if I if I haven't done anything wrong I don't have anything to hide right well that's just as a just as a a point of trivia do you know who the first person was that asked that question in a public venue it was Joseph Geral he was Adolf Hitler's minister of

[25:56] propaganda if you have nothing to hide then why are you worried about what the government is collecting on you well I worry a lot because it's none of the government's damn business what I do on the internet and so pan Quake will allow you to do everything that you normally do going from website to website to website and you're not leaving a digital Trail and you do that by using panqui domme I I think that you know obviously I'm so excited because I want a fair

[26:26] playing Ground right as some who's been censored for quite some time you know we first got censored it was funny we started showing uh estein stuff about six years ago five and a half six years ago and we were like the first Bernie Sanders progressives to kind of bring this into the leftist movement and we got major traffic there I think everybody thought it was so unique to see pasta and fiorella who are Bernie Sanders supporters talking about Jeffrey Epstein and connecting the dots well they spanked us pretty quickly then we

[26:58] got into elections we kind of have our same relationship of sorts yours is a little bit more intense with Rudy Giuliani but Rudy Giuliani took the election Integrity movement and then kind of he told 80% truths and then 20% lies which really hurt us up but it let us down a corridor of being censored even more and to this day you know obviously our opinions on covid were a little bit different than a lot of leftists um and they didn't allow that to happen so they really hurt us a lot think a lot of us are eager to get to

[27:30] that kind of Open Source free platform but can you get a little bit more into also this over here because I think this is important right here Jamie if you can put that up again can you just show us how this works a little bit uh John really quickly like what would we necessarily put in there and how would that exactly because we can start using this today correctly correct yeah yeah you could that's right you can use this today uh it it really is quite liter as simple as a cut and paste so you just

[28:01] you type in uh what you want to uh go to where it says paste your link here uh or you just cut it from another site and paste it there hit all right uh panqui link it will generate a link that you can then paste into your browser and you can surf WorryFree it says clean where it says clean cleans your link prevents big Tech tracking users that's exactly what it does archives the content so you don't have to to worry about going back and having to repeat all those all those steps again yeah if you put in like a

[28:33] New York Times article or something no I was just saying New Times article or something yeah Jamie go ahead and throw something in there but John this isn't very important because what you're saying as an ex intelligence agent right that they're going to also look at what you're looking at in other words the way they descri the way they find the real journalist not the propagandist is to censor and look at what you're looking at and this is going to prevent them from doing this yeah it's going to prevent them from doing it

[29:05] and this is something that that for me is very important what happens if you go to a a website big Tech is tracking you and then you go to let's say Google and you're looking for let's say abortion clinics nearby or psychiatrists or uh you know your your looking for information on your ex-wife or whatever law enforcement can actually

[29:36] build a profile against you it may be correct it may be incorrect but it can be used to against you and so this is a way to keep big Tech big government CIA NSA FBI off your back damn wow good stuff yeah so well one of

[30:07] the the other things I want to bring up pasta and I think you're going to love this one because this goes along right along with everything if you go down the substack article Jamie I'll just copy paste this for you it's wld Dragnet domcom okay and oh this is so cool this is cool and it's scary because I found my myself there as well of course you did but um you know uh by the way panqui is not just uh blockchain it's um it's

[30:41] not just open source it's blockchain as well which is important and it's also a uh blockchainbased social media Network that for the techie people who might know it's a layer one blockchain so it's it's very very secure these are the things that P and I have talked about when it comes to elections if you have a blockchain open- source system how beneficial that would be but if Jamie if you go on wld drag net.com you can find that um this is

[31:14] this is what's called the the Foss project or a fast product and this is a Search tool that essentially documents that uh what what shows that a variety of us defense contractors who had been looking into you all whether whoever you are social media users right and basically drag netting them or targeting them based on their political affiliation so you can put your Twitter handle there and it'll give you a list of all the places where you were

[31:45] mentioned can you talk a little bit more about that John I checked this out when it was still in beta this is a couple of years ago maybe three years ago by now and I was shocked that one defense contractor in particular and it's not my job to protect them so I'll just say it it was North Rook Grumman Corporation um had searched my name hundreds of times it was clear they were building something uh but I would never

[32:17] have had any idea that I was of Interest specifically at North rook brummond and it wasn't just North Rook brummond although they were the biggest it was companies that do business with North or Grumman and even some of the competitors for example um I wrote an article in which I criticized like McDonald Douglas I think it was McDonald Douglas this is four or five years ago now and then there was this flurry of activity at McDonald Douglas who is this guy what's he doing

[32:47] and so uh you know I was able I was I was actually in litigation against uh I actually went into litigation against um North with Grumman on a on a separate issue and my attorneys were able to use this information uh as as part of our our lawsuit wow that's crazy yeah it was pretty cool it would have never occurred to me that that there even is such a tool but there it is and it's

[33:20] free I'm trying to see how that what would you just go in there and put your Twitter handle in and yeah yeah yeah uh well this came about a few years ago so it might have been if you've changed your Twitter handle you may not find it but if you've not changed it you can find anything um and and you can put it on there did you show it Jamie okay yeah so you can go ahead and um anybody can just go ahead and put in uh their Twitter handle again and you just you can just search yourself and

[33:51] again this is just another uh product that's been released and it's it's for everybody right it's for everybody to to Really benefit from it's not you know when you when you think of businesses and when you think of like social media platforms you think that it's people that are against you right yeah um that it's people that aren't on our side so it's kind of in my opinion revolutionary to see something like this even attempt to come out because a lot of us John and

[34:23] I'll speak for myself too have had a very negative point of view when it comes to technology when it comes to any software because we've seen what it what it does at the behest of Empire essentially and well just this week I'm sorry to interrupt you just real quickly uh the British government uh is practically at war with apple right now because it's demanding a back door into um Apple's operating system and apple

[34:54] said that they are willing to shut down in the UK rather than to give British intelligence a back door sorry to interrupt no that's and but and that's even Apple that that still has you know they're not as bad as others but they still have that's right A lot of the same type of cookies the same type of of surveillance and and that's crazy that that it's not even enough for right they want complete access to everything that everybody has I say this all the time it

[35:27] is against the law for NSA to collect information on an American citizen it is a violation of nsa's Charter to collect information on an American citizen so why then did NSA build a a new facility in the Utah Wilderness that has so much computer memory available that it can hold every cell phone call every text message and every email sent by by every

[35:58] American for the next 500 years I don't want them collecting that information from me it's none of their business yeah but I mean the the thing is we've grown so accustom to them just being to fully able able to do that yes and so I I think it's it's crazy and I think it's also scary for a lot of people because they still think like that's not possible that there's no way that we can have a social media or any

[36:31] sort of tech platform that's going to not give information to the powers that be that's not going to use this information for advertisement for data for XYZ so um you know for me it's crazy that this is happening and there's another product that pan Quake uh talk Liberation excuse me has now also um is also releasing uh they have their uh

[37:04] it's coming around much very soon and uh Susie Dawson mentioned it in her substack and it's called linkme and it's pronounced link me yeah what is that can you just explain that because that one was harder for me to W wrap my head around yeah link me's link me is just about the same as panqui um it it's it's about the same end product end process where where your

[37:38] data is being protected it it's part of a suite of offerings that pan Quake has come up with I and go ahead go no no no I mine's a different yeah go ahead okay no I and this one I I know is going to be used mainly by like businesses and by uh people for example if you're uh any business person or if you're working on a project say marketing project and you're going to uh or you're a say a

[38:12] journalist right and you have all your platforms there you you're going to be able to have all your platforms um and and be able to look at them so I think as more information comes out about all all these you people have to understand these are separate products under one umbrella so it's it's not like it's just one thing it's like several different things and it that takes a lot of work and I know nothing about it like for example software development or computer

[38:43] programming or or any of that stuff which is ironic because in my family there's like you know 10 computer programmers but I just never got into that but just understanding the level of work it takes is um is crazy go ahead it's it's crazy I'm sorry go ahead no no no no go ahead finish it no I I was just going to agree I'm I'm every time we have a staff meeting a staff Call I'm amazed at how brilliant these people are it it's they're able to they're able to

[39:16] develop products that I I couldn't even comprehend and then they're able to explain them in a very simple way where I could say or I do say gez I I could use that I I I could get good use out of that and then they'll send me the beta and I able to try it and it's as easy as they said it was it's dramatic to me so you have all these other separate products right here under that one umbrella but the main product panqui

[39:46] itself is going to be like a Twitter of sorts or a Facebook or whatever another operating system where we can go to where number one it's going to level the playing field uh open source we're gonna understand exactly how some voices get lifted why others get censored which I think is the big thing because it's kind of like elections right you can censor somebody's voices I can hide John kaku's tweets and that would hurt him but if let's for say for instance I just take somebody else who is in the same field

[40:17] as you the same market and I uplift that voice that's gonna pretty much cancel out what you're doing because more people going to go to that person we have that that's coming with pan quake but you did just mention that the British government's at war with apple correct because they want a back door that's right how do we know for a fact well we don't know for a fact I mean how is suie and pan Quake the pan Quake team going to deal with those same demands from a trump Administration uh in which this this operating system is going to

[40:47] be uh launched under and what are your thoughts about right now how the Trump Administration is when it comes to censorship because a lot of people got fooled by his executive order that pretty much said nothing that did nothing it was just hot air unfortunately you get people like Mike Benz and other other people going around and acting like it's something special uh give us your overall thoughts on everything I just kind of unpacked there as far as what we're GNA do when the Trump Administration comes knocking

[41:18] saying we want the back door yeah that's a great question first let me let me uh address panqui um this is this is what so great about being spread out all over the world um you don't have to deal directly with the American government or the British government or any of the five eyes you know you're based in you're based in Iceland and you're doing business all over the place and and you just keep up the fight number one number two Trump man this is this is a tough

[41:48] one Craig this is listen like you just said not just said but when you said at the beginning of the show you come from the left I come from the left too and I've always considered myself a leftist leftist even much more so after I uh left government and then went to prison for my beliefs but um uh it's it's all about the fight I want I want Donald Trump to do the right thing I want to believe that these

[42:19] executive orders are going to lead to more transparency and freedom of speech they're not it's all about law fair it's all about going after your enemies and can I see a time where Donald Trump or his administration wants a new back door to some new uh new platform of course that's what they always do can you imagine a white house meeting where cash Patel uh the the New FBI director or John rackliffe the new CIA director go

[42:50] to Trump and say uh Mr President you know terrorism another 911 uh so we need uh these back doors yeah you think Trump's going to say oh no no no I believe in transparency I believe in freedom of speech I'm not giving you any back doors that might save American lives and pre prevent another 911 of course he's not going to say that he's gonna give them what they want just like every single president before him gave them what they wanted yeah so it's up to the rest of us

[43:22] to just fight yeah well you know he's not going to come knocking himself he's going to say send your friend Rudy Giuliani to do his dirty work that's that's what's happening don't get me started on Rudy Giuliani in a in in a very wonderful world right let's say panqui comes out and it is widely successful or at least it it is another outlet that people who don't want to be under Elon musk's directive or under meta decide to use

[43:52] it's it can work panqui all of these can work with what what Susie calls the fediverse which is like all of these big social media apps this mainstream social media apps that are tied to the US the Pentagon and all of that how could something like panqui in your opinion if we're looking into the future help fight against genocide for example in Gaza that we've seen and and the continued wars in the Middle East how could this this sort of system eventually help

[44:24] those causes that is a great great question and I promise I didn't plant it it was a naturally occurring question yeah uh just before I started this this uh talk with you um I was doing my own podcast with a Canadian activist by the name of Eve angler I like you I've known him for a long time good guy um Eve wrote an article uh Eve is Canadian he lives in Montreal and he wrote an article in which he criticized a

[44:55] Canadian woman uh she happens to be Jewish she is a a well-known Zionist he criticized her um he didn't threaten her he just criticized her that she doesn't she doesn't respect human rights of of Palestinians next thing you know he's under arrest for hate speech and all he said was that he supports Palestinian human rights there was no hatred there right he ended up spending five days in jail 40 miles some

[45:27] prison 40 miles outside of of uh Montreal and um he just kept thinking he said that you know people are going to see how ridiculous this is I didn't do anything wrong I have freedom of speech I'm a Canadian citizen I'm talking about human rights well they're doubling down he finally made bail after after five days in jail and now he's going to go on trial so then as he gets out of jail he's getting ready for trial he calls

[45:58] the arresting officer and he says hey um can I have um you know whatever whatever documents police reports you have so I could give them to my attorney they charge him with extra crimes they charged him with four counts of harassment of a police officer because he sent a couple of emails and made a couple of phone calls well you know what he's suspended from Twitter he's suspended from Facebook because oh my God he talks about Gaza you use the GW

[46:30] and you lose your access to these uh these these platforms not so with pan Quake freedom of speech means freedom of speech where you're free to talk about anything you want to talk about now you're not going to post child pornography or or sell you know fentanyl or whatever that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about freedom of speech and so uh so I can't help but to think forgive me if this even sounds

[47:00] naive but I can't help but to think that panqui is going to eventually catch on in a big way because people are constantly going to be searching for that transparency that that they can't find with big Tech this is going to be your transparency that you've been looking for has has pan Quake figured out a way how they can bring monetization to the table for their users yeah it's going to be done on a subscription basis so you're not going

[47:30] to be bombarded with ads you know I still I'm still on Facebook I I went on Facebook when it first started because I wanted to see what my kids were doing and and I wanted to catch up with friends of mine from high school who are all old now and don't you know do anything else um and now you know you got to go down 25 stories before you finally get to somebody that you actually know and follow yeah because you're just bombarded with dozens dozens of sites and ads and you might be interested in you know you know the

[48:02] history of Cleveland Ohio it's like no I'm not interested in the history of Cleveland Ohio and I don't know why you keep telling me that you think that I should be so there's not going to be any of that at pan Quake because it's going to be subscription based and it's very modest as well um you're not going to have to deal with that silliness and nonsense another thing you know I go on Twitter I don't even manage my own Twitter I have a friend who does it for me um I've got a I've got an online TV

[48:32] show at unified television so they do it for me but every once in a while I'll go on Twitter just to see who's saying what and I'm bombarded with tweets from Elon Musk I don't follow Elon Musk yeah I don't give a [ __ ] what Elon Musk has to say say about issues of the day or whatever and every time I try to unfollow him I'm denied yeah whether you like it or not you're GNA follow Elon Musk that's just not the situation at panqui that's awesome yeah let me let

[49:04] let me uh pose something to you um and you know this is a very fundamental question of freedom of speech right th this is a very um this this this group of people that work there are very much you know anti-establishment types right but if for example BB Netanyahu wants to make an account on panqui as far as I know he will be allowed because freedom of speech is freedom of speech even for those you hate correct that's that's

[49:35] correct yes yeah you know the old saying um I deplore what you say but I'll die for your right to say it to say it or something like that something like um yeah whatever whatever the the phrase is I mean if we're serious about this we've got to be consistent and so yes to answer your question that would be the case yeah um yeah I I it's what is it the uh Nazis in was skoki right like

[50:06] back in the exact in ski the Nazis marched in ski 1981 exactly that's where we need to be we need to get back to that kind of mentality John I'm kind of curious um the usaid and Ned right A lot of people are taking putting a lot of stock in that I always said that they are just simply the pr firm for the regime change industrial complex pretty much you know the Ned spawned out of the Reagan Era it was in the middle of Iran Contra where they knew they were gonna

[50:37] have a a PR Nightmare and Oliver North you know I mean pretty much to this day if you paid attention just slightly paid attention to what was going on back then you probably wouldn't fall for this whole let's go into the Mexico to get rid of the cartels because you'd understand that the CIA has a lot to do with the cartel's power movement of Banks money product you know right what are your thoughts on usaid because to me I say well it's not like the behavior of Empire is going to change it feels you

[51:09] know fella has said they're just going to reappropriate that money into the new style military that's coming along uh the QR codes and the satellites and uh the track and Tra systems what's your overall thoughts of usaid uh pretty much something big or just something to not get too put too much stock behind oh no no I think this is a big deal I'm actually glad you brought it up I've written about this a couple times in the last few weeks usaid has well usaid was created in 1961 at

[51:41] the same time that the Peace Corps and Vista were created during the Kennedy administration the idea was terrific right you create this organization that's going to go to some of the most horrible places on Earth and they're going to do things like dig water wells and build hospitals or clinics or help countries uh create water treatment plants or electrical grids great idea it never worked that way um even as far back as the late 60s people who knew called it the cia's

[52:15] beach head at the state department in 1972 Senator Ted Kennedy wrote a letter to um the CIA asking if it was true that the CIA was using usaid for covert operations much to Kennedy's surprise he got a a response both from the director of the CIA and from Henry Kissinger who was the Secretary of State at the time the letters were identical they just had different signatures on them and what

[52:47] the letter said was yes we use we use usaid to further CIA covert action programs now the letter was classified at the time it's Declassified now but they said and not just in 1972 we used usaid to funnel money to laosan rebels in 1969 1970 1971 1972 And we intend to continue using usaid for cover action number one there have been

[53:21] several other operations that have been Declassified over the years or in one case accidentally leaked to the media things like creating um a new um social media platform called zun zuno during the George W Bush Administration that was meant to instigate an Arab Spring like Uprising in Cuba and Cubans just went meh not really interested and it just went away and then somebody leaked

[53:51] it by accident to the guardian and the cat was out of the B another one was in 2013 when um when the Obama Administration tried to use usaid to overthrow the government of uh of AO Morales in in Bolivia like why what do you care if if Eva Morales is is the president of uh of Bolivia that you need who you want to C

[54:22] that's yeah that's right so you know this this is an ongoing thing that has that has been taking place for decades decades may I add one thing too Craig if I have a second sure there there used to be a Democratic senator from Wisconsin by the name of William proxmire um William proxmire won a special election in 1956 or 57 58 when uh Joe McCarthy the notorious Joe McCarthy died and prox Meer prox Meer

[54:52] was a progressive Democrat who just hated hated hated um government spending and so he created this award called the Golden Fleece award and he would give it out once a month at a press conference to to whatever governmental entity was fleing the American taxpayer the problem was there is no written down CIA budget that's publicly available the CIA budget is highly

[55:24] classified so really nobody knows what what the budget is what the CIA does is it takes each line item and it hides it all over the federal budget it might be in the Department of Agriculture the Department of Defense State Department you know the EPA they're all over the place so oftentimes prox Meer would see you know $12 million to study gay monkeys in Guatemala and he'd say oh this is an outrage uh I'm going to give the Golden

[55:55] Fleece award to whatever office at the state department is handling this or usaid as it frequently turned out to be well there's no there's no $12 million program to study gay monkeys in Guatemala that was the cover story that line item was $12 million from the CIA budget that had been that had been embedded there and so the the CIA was just apoplectic every month when proxmire would do his uh Golden Fleece

[56:27] award well proxmire left the senate in 1998 and nobody like William proxmire has ever been elected since then um but the CIA is still doing the same thing it did when it was trying to dodge his Golden Fleece award they're still lying about the budget they're still embedding covert action uh programs all over government they're still using usid as the CIA Beach head at the state department and they're still using the American taxpayers money to to try to overthrow governments that they deem are

[56:59] not friendly enough to the United States who's on that list by the way what what I wonder right I wonder I'd love to see that list just I just like I would love to see the Tuesday Morning kill list which they've never even admitted exists well and I was just going to say it's not like we're really going to get the truth about Epstein either and it's not like we're really going to get you know a lot of these promises for example

[57:30] JFK uh all of these things are are being weaponized and there's only a couple questions I have left to ask you and you know this is this is all related because all of this information is being cured and and spun to us in a certain way on certain social media platforms whether it's Facebook you know Twitter X whatever um and one of the the things I wanted to ask you was your thoughts on the Trump zalinski Outburst that

[58:01] happened because as pasta sort of mentioned you've seen this push for Trump as being the hero to come in as you know getting rid of u USA ID getting uh the the war in Ukraine to end there are some you know these are these would be good things but it seems to me like the Donald Trump Administration is one of continuity and and and one that's going to continue much of the Empire and just pivot in in in you know to a different Target so from Russia to the

[58:34] next targets which we've seen in the Middle East and and and China as well and and so it it that's what it seems like to me so to see this this Outburst with zalinski right A lot of people are saying good job Trump you know zalinski has everything's done with him he's no longer got the the the show going you know his his Jig Is up so to speak but deeper than that do you think that this signifies something truthful or do you think

[59:05] that Donald Trump is just being Donald Trump which is you know the reality TV star that he is I think honestly the answers are yes to all of those so I I'm a firm believer that the ideological spectrum is not a straight line from left to right I think it's a circle and at some point that Circle meets uh where progressives and conservatives can well progressives and and let's say conservative Libertarians can agree on

[59:36] specific individual issues um I think zalinski is done I would not be surprised if zalinski in the next three months was a resident of London rather than Kei I think he's done I think this war is done I think that uh you know another thing about Trump Trump does exactly what he says he's going to do it can be something terrible like a Muslim ban for example but I don't know why everybody's like oh my God I'm so shocked Trump did exactly what he said

[1:00:08] he was gonna do during the campaign I'm so shocked um I think that that this war is coming to a quick end whether uh it meets Ukrainian goals or not not is really uh the answer with that said Trump is wrong about Gaza Trump is wrong about Syria Trump is wrong about Iran Trump is wrong about China there there are a lot of different places where we can seriously criticize

[1:00:39] Donald Trump where he is just an extension of Empire where where he's not going to be that that president that that once in a in a in a century president who really changes this scope of American foreign policy or changes the way the the world uh looks um I'm genuinely worried about Trump policies in the Middle East I've spent most of my adult life in the Middle East I'm an arabist I speak Arabic I served most of my career in the Middle East I love

[1:01:11] Arabic history and culture and you know food and poetry and everything and I genuinely fear for the Palestinian people under a trump presidency but on this one issue of the Ukraine war Trump is right he's right and if we're going to be we said this offline um before the show started if we're going to be peace activists if we're going to be you know people who go out into the streets and demand peace then we've got to be consistent about it and this is one of

[1:01:43] those areas where I think we need to stand up against War I take it you didn't like the video with Trump in the golden statue you didn't we did see that did you see AI is the craziest dog on thing but I couldn't tear myself away from it he shared it he shared and I thought that like yeah and the funny thing is if you look at true social he's put up some polls before about what country is the greatest threat and who's the biggest

[1:02:16] threat to America and a lot of people in his own base we pointed his out they do not like the Zionism that's inv they don't they and after that video for me first of all when he said when we'll take over the Gaza Strip I thought that was really one of the most disgusting things that somebody could say that was first of all it's a war crime it's it is a war crime and you're EV vacating the terms of the second phase in which you took credit for which is you're supposed to pull out

[1:02:46] and give the Palestinians back their territory you're automatically ripping up the ceasefire in which some people said he should word the peace award for that right because we knew it was never a cease fire because Israel never ceased to fire but with that heavy dose of Zionism do you don't you think that a lot of this time a lot of this stuff with zalinsky is theater because The Man Behind zalinski is kisi eigor kisi and we never see Trump go after him and

[1:03:16] that's the guy pulling the strings John yeah I think maybe Trump thinks he can do business in a in a post Trump ERA with Ki yeah yeah I'm a little worried about it to tell you the truth yeah there's pictures of kisi with Ariel Chiron with Perez I mean he's been in the knesset and this is the guy calling the shots I don't know I think it's that's why I get really frustrated when I see him going after zilinski knowing zilinski is just a finger pup EXA he's big your head yeah

[1:03:49] yes exactly right so John just last question bringing it back in because you all mentioned AI uh you know panqui isn't going to operate on any Ai and AI is very popular and all over we have you know the the gro which is on X you have the the the Deep seek which is from from China you have chat GPT you have all of these AIS coming yes around right so what what are we looking forward to when

[1:04:21] it comes to um panqui and especially now in an era where you know everything we're seeing is just so we don't know if it's real or not and it's getting just harder to decipher and that's that's going to be one of the important pillars I think at panqui where you're not going to have to worry about it whether it's AI generated or not you know and let me tell you something about AI too in my own experience um I I I get it that AI is the future I get that AI uh has

[1:04:51] incredible applications that in many cases can save lives but um when it first came out I thought I'm going to check it out and play around with a little bit so I said I went to chat GPT and I said who is John kiraku and it said John kiraku is a former CIA officer whistleblower on the Ci's torture program blah blah blah it said he earned a bachelor's degree from the University of Maryland and a master's degree from the University of gent in

[1:05:23] Belgium and I wrote John kiraku received bachelor's and master's degrees at George Washington University and then AI comes back and says you are incorrect John kiraku received his degrees at the University of Maryland and the University of gent and I said no you are incorrect and then it cut me off that bothered me very much yeah it cut me off it wouldn't answer any more of my questions then um I I I mean Adjunct

[1:05:56] professor at at a university in Europe I teach graduate school classes on um the history of terrorism at the University of Salam monka in Spain it's fantastic place so I I drew up my syllabus for the year and um and I thought you know what I'm going to put the syllabus in chat GPT and see if it can recommend scholarly articles or books that I may have missed so I put the whole syllabus in I asked for it to recommend scholarly articles you know serious like people's

[1:06:27] PhD dis dissertations and stuff like that so it gave me different citations for every one of my lectures and every single one of them was fake every one of them you click on it and it says 404 error every single one of them it just made [ __ ] up none of it was real so I I don't want to live in that world that that none of that makes any sense to me it's a human that programs the algorithm

[1:06:58] in which the AI is going to run with so you can cater it to to what you want it to say and how you want it to act and they're using AI right now just to flag us to get us to get to to find out the the troublemakers right and then bring a human over to it once the AI Flags it we're in a very bad sit right now I agree well uh John uh that's all for for now I mean you know be doing more of these talks and and and stuff and you

[1:07:28] know there's so much more to to talk about when it comes to panques so much more will be coming out in in the next you know coming weeks and and this year I mean so much is is left to happen and with the world kind of going crazy I think it's almost like I don't want to say it I don't you know it I don't believe in coincidences yeah in politics in life as of late so I I just think the the the fact that this is coming along as we are nearing this Tipping Point in the world is just you know Heaven Sent

[1:08:00] or whatever you want to believe in I agree I agree I'm looking forward to it very much skinny kyaku that's John for you there buddy you look great sound great I can't wait to see more of this really to tell you the truth this was needed so badly I know there's a lot of people who are kind of hesitant who don't believe it's going to be Happ they don't want to hear it anymore but when you guys eventually punch through and get this out there I think that all uh all the past will be forgiven and forgotten and

[1:08:31] hopefully we can find a way to move forward without the uh deep State the imperialist apparatus whoever's going to try to shut it down because they do not want free speech out there ladies and gentlemen they want controlled speech and they're going throw everything at you guys that is it exactly right uh John where can people find you by the way if they want to hear more about you uh everything I do I do on substack uh so it's just under my name John kiraku Dos substack

[1:09:04] docomo much for tuning in and we will see you back on next week Monday yeah bye guys bye [Music]
