Title: John Kiriakou on Netanyahu's Private Meeting with JD Vance
Show: The Kiriakou Archive
Date: 2026-08-06
URL: https://youtu.be/OF51y2a5Od0
Duration: 63:00

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[00:00] If somebody's going to initiate a false flag operation, it's almost always the the Israelis. The Israelis are one of these high-risisk, highreward kind of countries. Most countries are not like that. Most countries wouldn't take these great risks, but the Israelis do, and they do it as a matter of routine policy. So, if there's going to be a false flag, yeah, I would take a good hard look at the Israelis. >> Yeah. And I um the only one I know of is there on the Amirati side during the war there was a lot of skepticism or at

[00:31] least I was told it was skepticism but maybe further inside the the administration maybe they even knew it's Israel that some of these operations were false flag. Israel was trying to get the Gulf more involved in the war. They wanted the Gulf to attack Iran. But is there kind of level is there some sort of leniency against false flag? For example, if Israel conducts a false flag against the UAE to drag them into the war, it generally speaking, would the UAE say this is a red line, they they civil relations, they retaliate, is it like a massive red line for them, an

[01:02] escalatory step, or is it something that's part of warfare? They accept it like, "Hey, don't do this again," and they do it back to them. Is that part of just the way things are? It's kind of a mix. Normally, what you would do is call in the Israeli ambassador and say, "Stop doing this." or they're going to there are going to be prices to pay. >> Bad boy >> strongly worded letter. [laughter] We will write a strongly worded letter. Um but the thing is is you have to consider all facets of the relationship. So for the Amiratis in particular, this

[01:32] relationship with Israel is lucrative. It's opened up, you know, a new trading partner really is what it comes down to. And you know, everybody knows, I mean, going back to the to the 70s, um, all of the Arab countries in the Gulf were buying Israeli fruit, for example. What the Israelis would do is they would harvest the fruit, send it to Cypress, put it in new boxes that say produce of Cypress, and then send it to the Arab countries. Now, they don't have to do the extra step, so it's cheaper,

[02:03] you can buy more things. They've got this economic relationship. The Saudis are not there yet. The Kois are not there yet. The Bahinis are kind of there but aren't really comfortable with it. The Godries aren't going to do it. And the Omanis just want to be left alone. U but uh but for the Emiratis, they have to weigh the entire relationship. And that's why maybe you you or I would go to the Israelis and say enough is enough. This is over the top. You're trying to drag us into a war. This was a

[02:33] false flag operation. We proved it. We're severing relations or we're expelling your ambassador. The Amiradis wouldn't do that. The the relationship is too >> I have the Iron Dome here in the UAE. >> Yeah, that's right. >> They're screwed. And they depend they're stuck to the US because they depend heavily on the US dollar and that system. And they're stuck with Israel because they have the Iron Dome. >> What a bad spot to be in. >> Terrible. Terrible. And they have a very robust, at least Dubai does, a very robust U

[03:04] trade with Iran. They always have. And when I was with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee 2009, I went to Dubai just to talk to business leaders about trade with Iran and they were trading literally everything. Everything from food to, you know, toner cartridges to cars and everything in between. and they were like, you know, we're not gonna we're not going to stop trading. This is our bread and butter. >> Um, I'm just taking notes of things I

[03:34] want to bring up in our conversation. I um I'm actually going to bring up something just about Israel's capabilities. I uh remember speaking to an official very very close to the Trump administration. That was a few months ago and that was a private discussion. But I've spoken to others about this, but this is probably the most the best example. someone very very senior in the administration and they gave me an example of I asked a question just threw it out there because that's a fun question to ask you know we had a long conversation and I said like you know do you think the Israelis are you know are listening to you are tracking you cuz he's very involved in the region and some of our listeners would know very

[04:05] well and someone from his his seniority I'm like the Israelis would never go that far and then he's like Mario I gave up on the Israelis and he gave me an example I won't share here he gave me an example where they were able to intercept a call he was having with another world leader and lo and behold A few days or a few weeks later, we got the report that Israel, that's actually a good point to bring up with to ask your thoughts on Israel was labeled as a critical threat on the intelligence level. >> Critical threat for counter intelligence. >> Yeah. Along with Russia, China, Cuba,

[04:35] and North Korea. >> Yeah. Listen, this is not new. This is decades long. I'll give you an example. In on my very first day at the CIA, we're briefed by the director of security, right? You stand, you take your oath, you swear to protect the Constitution against all enemies, domestic and foreign. You sit down, the director comes and says, "Welcome to the CIA." And then the head of HR, and then this guy and that guy, and the chief of security, and the chief of security

[05:06] tells you essentially, you're going to have to learn to keep your mouth shut. Don't talk about work when you leave this building. for example, don't ever go to this first restaurant that's that's right by the CIA because the Russians think that we all eat there and so it's all KGB, the whole restaurant. I've never been to that restaurant. It's a steakhouse. Jay Gilberts, I think it name is. So, the Israelis are the same way. There are Israeli spies everywhere, hundreds of them, all over Washington. Three weeks ago, the Defense

[05:37] Intelligence Agency sent out an all hands email warning every single employee of DIA that Israeli espionage against the US government is at an all-time high right now. So, don't talk about work outside the building. But we just accept that. When I was on the job for about 6 months, there was a man in my office who was on the phone, secure phone with a counterpart overseas. Um, we used to

[06:07] have these phones called STU3s. There are Stews, STW 2Bs, and STE 3es. So, they're secure phones, but they're not permanent. You can you can move them. So, you pick up the phone, you call the number, you say, "Hi, it's John. Are you ready for the call?" going secure and then you press the encryption button and the phone encrypts itself and then it's it just sounds like gibberish to an outside listener. So the problem with stew 2bs and stew 3s is they'll occasionally drop the call. So my my

[06:40] colleague is talking to somebody overseas and the conversation is going both ways and the call drops and so he's just waiting for to see if his colleague comes back on and then he hears somebody say Mosha did they hang up and then the other voice says I don't know David maybe they dropped the call and then Moshe says okay they'll call back if it's important now what are we supposed to take from that we're supposed to take that for

[07:11] decades the Israelis have been intercepting our calls, even secure communications. So, are they intercepting the president, the vice president, the the secretary of state or secretary of defense, the national security adviser, all their deputies, the jo the the members of the joint chiefs of staff? Of course they are. That's why they're ranked as critical threat for counter intelligence. And what's Congress's response? Congress's response is to give them an office at the Pentagon and at the CIA with the National Defense

[07:42] Authorization Act. >> I wrote that section 224. I think they changed the name. >> Yes. [sighs] >> I think it's 209 now. Something like that. >> Yeah, >> they they they changed the name the other day. >> Um why do you think the the administration doesn't do anything about it? What a >> That's easy. >> That's easy. polit politics politics. Um, Apac has spent so much money in American politics at every

[08:13] level, not just the federal level, but state and now local levels, too, that you don't dare challenge the Israeli government. You don't dare do it because they will primary you and they will defeat you. And so if you want to survive as an American politician, you have to be utterly completely pro-Israel. You can't say, no politician is going to say, you know, the Israelis are spying on us all over the United States. They're embedded in our defense contractors. Um they're on Capitol Hill

[08:46] stealing our secrets, trying to infiltrate the the CIA and the FBI and the DIA. Nobody's going to say that. to the point where, and you know this as well as I do, an Israeli government uh official who happens to be a a pedophile is picked up by the local police in in Las Vegas. And what do we do? Quick, get him on a plane. Get him out of here. A pedophile. We choose the Israeli government over our own children. And the American voters are supposed to

[09:17] just accept that. It's crazy how just you'd assume considering how blatant it's been recently, you'd assume that most people know about this, but we'd be surprised outside our circle of our audience, what we watch, our algorithms, most people in the US, otherwise Massie would have won. >> Exactly right. >> No money. There's no like no one can spend enough money to, you know, to make to make Osama bin Laden seem like a good person cuz everyone knows Osama Badin is

[09:48] a criminal. Okay, I'm trying to find an example here. Um, but for some reason, it's probably not the best comparison, but I'm bad at thinking of examples, but for some reason, this the the the how Israel has hijacked the American system. And again, good for Israel. They've been so effective at it. Um, >> it's been brilliant and it's taken decades. I this was a very long-term policy, a very long-term view to to winning over the American political establishment. They've been very successful at it. >> Yeah. But it's just for some reason like if enough people know no money spent

[10:20] would be able to turn people on Massie. It just seems so obvious. >> But they're so but they're so smart, John. The Spain thing, if they're behind the Morocco thing. I'm saying if just cuz if I don't know for sure, but as I looked at Jiala, look what happened with Sanchez. All it takes is one call to the king of Jordan who is very close to Israel. He's part of the Abraham's Accords. They do a lot of things together. >> Um supports I think he's one of the first countries that accepted I think Palestinians to immigrate into Morocco I think. >> Um so all it takes is Netanyahu and it seems to call the king of Morocco, hey

[10:51] we want you to ship tens of thousands of people cuz it was coordinated. That's indisputable. >> Yeah. This doesn't happen by magic. >> Exactly. We want you to ship them all to those two cities, those two Spanish cities, and we'll help you back in Washington. And what do you get from from Washington? You have different members of Congress saying that these places are part of Morocco, part of Moroccan territory. The narrative has been created. The bubble has been burst. Now Morocco is going to begin the process of trying to get those two cities from Spain. Even if they fail, that's kind of giving Spain the middle finger. >> I think that is exactly correct. That is

[11:23] exactly correct. That's exactly what happened. >> Pretty damn scary. Um, okay. I want to ask you about the um actually one last question on the counter terrorism counterterrorism classification the critical threat. Um has anything happened after that? Cuz I heard about the news. It came out and leaked nothing by the New York Times and then not a peep and I'm waiting to see what happens next. What do the administrations do afterwards? What do the intelligence agencies do afterwards? I haven't heard anything. Not sure if you know something. >> No, you you really can't do anything because it's a it's a political

[11:54] decision. It's a policy decision. So, at the CIA, uh, the CIA has something called the the counter intelligence center. So, its job is to work very closely with the FBI to root out moles, foreign intelligence officers burrowing into the American government, specifically to the American intelligence system. Um, and you're looking for Russians and Chinese and, you know, the occasional Cuban or the Iranians. Well, we know that the Israelis have hundreds and hundreds of spies all across America.

[12:27] So, you refer the CIA will develop this information. They'll refer it to the FBI. And the FBI says, "Well, what can we do? We don't have the political authorization to arrest these people or even to disrupt them. And we know that the Israelis aren't going to use it to like, you know, bomb us or blow up American cities or whatever. So it's not like the, you know, the Chinese or the Russians that mean us harm. So h just let them get away with it. Now any other country, let's let's just say for the purpose of argument, let's make one up. Let's say, you know, the

[12:58] Netherlands is a critical threat for counter intelligence. What would happen at the CIA is a policy would be implemented whereby um CIA employees are not allowed to transit Skipple airport in um in uh Amsterdam, right? You just stay away stay away from the airport. They're going to steal your laptop. They're going to steal your information. They're going to steal your identity. It's going to be terrible. Um, and then you back off with liaison

[13:30] exchanges because they're going to be trying to recruit the liaison officers. Well, with the Israelis, we we do literally nothing. Literally nothing. We just let them get away with it and invite them to the White House. And again, the White House and merging merging. Yeah. the the the the example you've given of putting it giving them an office in the Pentagon. What you're referencing is section 224 now 209 or whatever it is the merging of the US and Israeli militaries. >> Yes. >> Like I I don't know what's next after that is Netanyahu becoming the president

[14:01] of the United States. I that's the only thing left >> there. There's there's one there's one bit of hope one ray of hope. Netanyahu has never gotten Netanyahu is the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history. he has never gotten more than 27% of the vote because um there are so many viable political parties in in Israel. Now the the political makeup of the country has changed dramatically with the influx of so many um ethnic Russians and Ukrainians. So it's pushed the whole the

[14:34] whole you know populist to the right and that's why we have the likes of Bengavir and Smotri and some of these other extreme rightists. Uh but there's a real possibility that in Israel's upcoming elections, and I think they're in October, uh that that there may be there may be a movement among the populace to say enough is enough. Now we're in this war. There's no end to it. You look at the polls in the United States and and by a factor of 2 to1, Democrats uh are

[15:06] now opposed to the Israelis and Netanyahu in uh in the fight with u in Gaza and opposed with equal numbers to uh to the war in Iran. Um independents are just as equally opposed to the Israelis and Netanyahu. And now a sizable minority of Republicans are opposed to Israel and Netanyahu. So what is what the Israeli government is doing? It's backfiring and they need to do something different and they may I

[15:37] guess it's possible that they could start doing something differently with the next election. >> Um what do you know about the Gulf? I know we've talked about it has been pretty long. The capabilities of the Gulf. I think you'd know more about their intelligence capabilities more than their military capabilities. I'd love your comments on both. But how capable are they? How how and how intertwined do you think they are with the US? Can they walk away? Can they survive without the US? And also maybe you can comment on the Emirati Israeli

[16:08] relationship. I think this is a pretty pretty important development that we've seen here. The the Amiratis really doubled down on that alliance with the Israelis. Not sure if that's still the case now that the war is is uh has shifted, but um I'd love to get your thoughts on this. My information is dated. I left the CIA 22 years ago, but I can tell you that the that the Gulf countries, the the countries of the GCC have very very good intelligence services. Um, very capable officers,

[16:40] highly trained, multilingual, great experience uh in countries all around the world. I I worked very very closely with almost every one of those intelligence services and they were all excellent. Now really the best are the uh the Amiradis and the Gutaries. They're all good but the Amiradis and the Gutaris are the the best with the the Amiradis being the best of the best. The thing is is as as you allude to the

[17:12] the Amirati relationship with uh with Israel is very complicated because it's multiaceted. It's it's energy. It's defense. It's trade even like I said food stuffs and clothing and it's just very complicated. And so yes, they doubled down on this relationship. But the longer the ward drags on, the more they have to be thinking, you know, we should probably give them the back of the hand in the next few days

[17:44] >> and try to get him to back off. And uh but then the most important question is the one that you you posed last and that is uh how does this end? I've been saying from the beginning to the surprise of no one that I think the way this ends is we wake up one morning and Donald Trump has posted on Truth Social at 3:00 a.m. It's all over. We win. They've capitulated. >> Yeah, I was going to say that. >> I'm bringing everybody. I obliterated

[18:16] them. They've been obliterated. Vaporized. >> I've launched the greatest has destroyed them last night. Exactly. So, the greatest victory in the history of victories, >> you know, and I think that's how it's going to end. >> Yeah. >> Because, as you rightly pointed out, we don't really hear about the Israelis anymore. I think they're done. >> Yeah. That I I I put I thought of this earlier today. I put out a poll saying, "I can't believe it. They did it. The Israelis dragged the US into this war and stepped away. Now, just sitting there watching, mission accomplished."

[18:46] >> Yeah. >> It's uh pretty wild. >> Exactly. Um you were talking about the uh the capabilities of the Gulf uh security um apparatus. You remind me of a story. I've never shared this. So um I won't mention which which uh which country it is, but I had so I had someone from my team, my my executive team talking to the security of one of those Gulf countries. In the last few months, it's been very sensitive. So obviously there's going to be communication. We communicate with multiple countries. You know, if we post something about a country, they might ask us questions,

[19:16] etc. Some take it a step further. They want to investigate us. I've had this for years. Well, they were talking about a topic and uh this was pretty common. And then they put a just kind of throw a word there. They're like, "We know Mario, you know, is always worried about someone spiking his drink and someone's always watching it." >> And I'm like, "So my executive said, "Mario, they know everything about you. They know everything. They told me they told me things about you." They said this. I'm like calling like for me, I've got like kind of the Tucker approach where I'm not hiding anything. And we've just we've laughed about this before. cuz if I am, it's going to come out. So,

[19:48] I've just I live a life where if everything comes out, you guys can giggle about my life, but there's nothing is going to bring me down and there's nothing I'd be, you know, trying to hide or trying too hard to hide. But I'm like, how did they get this particular piece of information? Cuz I do. So, when I go out, I have security and one of the main things my security has to do is always watch my drink cuz I'm paranoid someone will spike my drink. I had it spiked last year. >> Oh. >> And I started vomiting. Yeah. I was at an event. any so I always always watch my drink and like they're the only ones that know plus my loved one maybe my

[20:19] brother and that's it no one else knows about it like son of a did they go to my security company and just ask them cuz if they if a government is going to reach out to my security guys and ask them hey you have to share everything the security guys are not going to say no to the CIA of whatever country I'm like son of a they went to my security guys which are great people [laughter] they're not with me anymore they're different now but they're great people and they went to They just got like I read every single piece of information about Mario Novel. It is wild how they monitor everything. It is

[20:49] wild. And it's not surprising to you, but for people like me that are not from this world. It's just crazy. And this is like barely the tip of the iceberg. I was You took the words right out of my mouth. Just the tip of the iceberg. Look at poor Glenn Greenwald. A year or so ago, a video was leaked to try to discredit him. And and to people's credit, I mean, everybody from, you know, Joe Nobody on Twitter all the way up to Marjorie Taylor Green posted, "Hey, Glenn, so sorry this happened. We support you." You know, it's a it's from

[21:19] the bag of dirty tricks. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was a It was a cheap and crude attempt to discredit him. >> Yeah. I It's two things on that. Number one is Yes. And I was I was really I was happy to see that because it was a pretty embarrassing or at least in the perception I for me I don't really care but the average person might find it embarrassing >> and um and Glenn comes on the show I've had him on the show many times. So it is a pretty pretty embarrassing piece of information and to see no one really I I couldn't even imagine how Glenn would

[21:50] feel. Poor guy. Poor guy. I think he's married as well. >> I felt awful for him. >> And then to see that no one gave a I'm like yeah. If no one gives a victory for Glenn, >> I'm fine if everything of mine leaks, I'm I'm I'm fine with that. So, [laughter] >> listen, I've been divorced twice. All my shit's already out there. [laughter] >> Already out there. >> Um, but it's it's that What do you make of the Laura Loomer Ukraine thing? I am not even vaguely in any way a Laura

[22:22] Loomer fan. I woke up one Sunday a few months ago to to a half a dozen emails from friends saying, "Buddy, Laura Loomer is just tearing you up on Twitter." I was like, "What?" >> Sorry, John. I want to interrupt. I didn't know I was there. I was going to talk about the Zilinsky interview, but this is more exciting. She >> tell me what happened. [laughter] >> So, this has happened to me once before. There was a woman, what was her name? Let me look real quick. There was a woman who went after me. Um

[22:53] she was uh Louise Mench. Uh she's a former British parliamentarian and she got divorced, married like [clears throat] AC/DC's road manager or Nirvana's road manager or something like that. Moved to the United States, divorced him, took all his money, and all she does all day long is just tweet. And she is like so 1,000% pro- Ukraine. She's like irrational. She also has a history of mental illness and drug abuse. And so one night she just

[23:24] decided to attack me. I've never met this woman in my life. I've never had an exchange with her in my life. And she just attacked me. And so in the words of a of an opposing divorce attorney, John Kuryaku is a latigious prick. And I called my lawyer and I said, "Is this defamatory?" And he said, "Yeah, it's defamatory." I said, "Then I want to sue." So, um, so we sent her a letter saying, "We're going to sue unless you retract everything." And she retracted

[23:55] everything. She she had to pin an apology for 6 months on her Twitter. Um, but I won. So now Laura Loomer then starts attacking me. >> Laura, I'm just looking at Louise's I just checked her on ex Louise Bag Bagshaw. >> Yes, Louise Bagshaw. Yes. Did she Did she stop using the name Mench? M-n. >> Yes. Her handle is Let me check. Yeah, her head was Louise Mench, but her full name on X is Louise Badshaw. But I've got so many DMs from her. So, there's something. She's chatting to my team since 2020.

[24:27] Yeah, since April 2024. I don't know what it's about. Maybe it's nothing too bad. Maybe she's threatened us or blackmailed us. I don't know. >> I'll check it later. >> So, Laura Loomer, I wake up and Laura Loomer's trying to tear me in. called me a a Russian spy, a Russian asset, and a common criminal. And it's like, okay. So, I called the lawyer again. He's like, you know what? He said, nobody takes Laura Loomer seriously. She's a nobody. >> Like, she's literally the only person in Donald Trump's circle that even Trump

[24:59] thought was so crazy that she didn't deserve a government job. And so, he said, "Let it go." So, I let it go. And like the very next day, she just moved on to somebody else. >> It was probably me. I got attacked by her last two weeks ago for being I don't know what I posted something and for being a Muslim something about me I'm not Muslim I was born Christian Orthodox but about me being a Muslim something I can't remember what it's about completely forgot now I'm sure related to Iran but um the reason I brought up Laura Roomers is um the interview with Zilinski and the reason I brought it up

[25:29] with you is um just you're muted again is the um part of a bigger question it started with how many of these influences in general do you think are u are are paid off are compromised in one way or another? >> That's the question I wanted to ask you. >> You know what? I actually think it's a lot. I didn't even give this any thought until about a year ago and there's an investigative journalist whom I respect a great deal and she said, "Listen, I've had people independently tell me and she

[26:02] named four podcasters that these four podcasters are taking, for example, CIA money." And I said, "Really?" I said, "Boy, that would be pretty explosive. Are you going to go public with it?" And she said, "No, cuz I can't find anything to confirm it." And there are four like, you know, kind of household names that she's under the impression take CIA money. Well, if podcasters have taken CIA money, you can bet your bottom dollar they're taking Israeli money, Russian money, maybe even Chinese money.

[26:32] Who knows? Depending on what the issue is. I could see it. And you know, Laura Loomer, Laura Loomer, it's funny when she was attacking me, some guy, God bless him, total stranger, he opened a new exac account just to make this one tweet and then he canceled it. He went to Grock and he said, "Grock, um, who which country benefits the most from what John Kiryaku says?" And then he put

[27:04] it that I'm a whistleblower and torture program. It says the United States and it explains why. And then he said the same words. What country most benefits from Laura Loomer's statements. And then it says Israel. And it has the whole thing of her support for Israel. And then he posted it and he canceled the account. So I was like whoever it was, thank you for defending me like that. >> You should have you should have did it go viral that post. >> Jeez. I don't even know. You know, God >> should have tweeted. There aren't enough hours in the day for me to check these

[27:34] things. But >> but Laura Loomer has been all about Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia since the very beginning until now. And now it's all about Ukraine. And I think that she's at the point where she realizes finally that she's not going to get a job at the White House. She's not going to be named the head of some obscure federal agency somewhere. So she might as well just, you know, worry about Laura Loomer and do what's best for Laura Loomer's followers. And I think that for her, switching sides on Russia Ukraine was the way to go.

[28:06] >> Um, well, if Seb Gawker was able to get a spot in the administration, John Laura does have a does have a >> God forbid. I've written about Seb Gorka. Seb Gorka, for your viewers who don't know, Dr. Sebastian Gorka is the deputy national security adviser for counterterrorism. But his father was a Nazi. Not a Nazi sympathizer, not a neo-Nazi. He was an actual Nazi from Hungary. And Seb Gorka wears his father's Nazi party lapel pin on his

[28:39] suit and he says he's not a Nazi, but he does it to honor his father because he loved his father and that he's very pro-Israel and he's Zionist and all this stuff. Okay. Yeah, he's pro- Israel and a Zionist, but it's still a Nazi party lapel pin. So, what are you doing? Everything that Donald Trump said there in that clip is true. Everything he said is true. So, let's break it down. Benjamin Benjamin Netanyahu is is a consumate uh politician. He's constantly

[29:11] working on public opinion and he knows that American public opinion, at least on Israel and on Muslim countries, is is easily malleable. Right? All you have to do is say Islam, terrorism, nuclear, and everybody just runs around like their hair is on fire. Um, Donald Trump knows what he's doing because Trump is a master of the media. Donald Trump is terrific at manipulating the media. He always has been. I can tell you when

[29:42] when he used to have his show, The Apprentice, I used to lay in bed with my then wife and watch this show. And I remember turning to her and saying, "You know, I've got to admit, Trump has won me over. I feel like I'm halfway through an NBA just watching this show. He's great at using the media." So, he's right when he says, "Why does BB have to say this to the public about pickaxe mountain and we're going to bomb them again and we're going to bomb them into submission and they're an

[30:13] existential threat to the United States as well as to Israel?" Why say all that? Because you're trying to influence American public opinion to pressure the president to do what you want him to do. And I think Trump is tired of it. He's tired of Netanyahu constantly trying to manipulate him. And I want to make another point, too, and this is going to maybe be a little controversial, but

[30:44] we've all seen video of Netanyahu speaking before Congress in 2002 and saying, "Saddam Hussein is an existential threat to Israel and to the United States. if we overthrow Saddam Hussein there will be peace in the Middle East and then there wasn't and then he's testifying before Congress in 2008 or 2009 and he says if we overthrow Muar Gaddafi and the Libyan government they're an existential threat to the United States and to Israel we'll have peace in the Middle East and we did that

[31:15] and it just made everything worse and then a year ago he's before Congress saying if we overthrow the Iranian government they're an existential threat to the United States and to and to Israel and will have peace in the Middle East. No, we won't. We do all of Israel's dirty work for it. We kill thousands, tens of thousands of people. And what do we get out of it? Nothing. Well, I'll tell you what I think is a little bit controversial. If you are the leader of Iran or a leader of Iran,

[31:47] what do you do to protect yourself? The only thing that you can do is build a nuclear weapon. We are not having a conversation right now, for example, about North Korea. You know why? Because North Korea has a nuclear weapon. And so nobody dares attack North Korea. Well, if you're Iranian, the only thing you can do to protect yourself from from this ongoing war or any future war is to develop a nuclear weapon. And I think frankly that's the next

[32:19] step. You can't bomb them forever. So anyway, in this Trump quote, it's the president of the United States telling an ally, the the country's closest ally maybe, you better not say anything to the press first without running it by me in public on a cable news hit. And let me add one other thing. There was something else that the president and Netanyahu spoke about yesterday, and that was the possible sale of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey. Now, the Greek

[32:50] government and Greek Americans have long been opposed to the sale of F-35s to Turkey because, frankly, we're afraid the Turks are going to use them against Greece. Well, the Israelis are afraid the Turks are going to use them against Israel. And so Netanyahu has been strongly opposed to the sale of F-35s to Turkey. He mentioned that in public yesterday and the president didn't appreciate it and he said, "I don't take my orders from a foreign leader as to

[33:24] which country I can make sales, military sales to." And he meant it. It was a slapdown to BB Netanyahu. Something that we had we hadn't yet seen. And I'll let you in on another little secret. Presidents get caught offguard by news all the time, even about what their allies are doing or have claimed they would do. They really do not like hearing news from reporters before getting it from the mouth of the foreign leader. When that happens,

[33:54] presidents usually fall back on diplomatic stock phrases, things like, "I don't discuss private conversations with foreign leaders," or, "We're in constant communication. The situation is evolving." or any one of the other 100,000 phrases in the lexicon of national security silliness and and international diplomacy. Which is why it is such a big deal that Trump chose to reprimand Netanyahu for discussing strategy with reporters rather than just BS the question. You don't have to

[34:26] answer every question a reporter throws at you, especially when you know or ought to know that your answer is going to anger the president of the United States. But BB right now is a very happy man that he got this meeting at all. And listen to this statement from Netanyahu's communications director about their relationship with Trump. Here's what he said. quote, "There is no truth in the claim that Israel is pushing the US in a certain direction on the Iran issue. The prime minister is

[34:56] not telling the US president what to do and is not pushing him in any direction. You have to be utterly brain dead to believe a single word of that. It's actually offensive as an American and as somebody who, you know, watches the news even a little bit. It's offensive that the Israeli prime minister's communications director think any American would believe that. Does that sound like something you would say if you were not pushing your friend in a

[35:28] certain direction? Would you deny it multiple times in a few sentences? Well, after that little show from Netanyahu, Trump told Fox News this morning, "Excellent meeting." He said, "Be understands now." So, apparently it was enough. BB understands now. That tells me that the president slapped him down. What if the way money works is about to change? Not someday, not hypothetically, but right now. China and the United States are both making moves that

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[37:01] or call 888G053. Well, I started this episode by saying that there was a lot of news to get through and there is a lot of news. We just didn't think yesterday when we started putting this together that so much of it would be focused on Israel, but here we are. Let's talk about Netanyahu and the International Criminal Court. I want to show you something else that's disturbing. We have given Lindsey Graham a lot of airtime on the show the last two weeks, but I truly cannot think of a more revealing person as far as how

[37:34] Benjamin Netanyahu captured US officials and anyone sympathetic to his cause. Last night, we got some crocodile tears from Netanyahu about how difficult the International Criminal Court is potentially making his life. After all, he's been charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let's listen to what Sean Hannity had to say. >> But it scares me in this sense for you. Um, you travel internationally. >> Yeah. >> God forbid you had a medical emergency

[38:05] and you need to land and you're you're about to land in a country that recognizes the ICC. It could complicate things. Do you worry about that? >> Yeah, I think about it. You know, we have uh we have special forces around. you know, I served with them for 5 years. No, >> the IDF is pretty tough. They have a very >> Let's give them a new task, you know. Yeah, of course. It's Look, it's the corruption of the international system. It's an unelected unelected bureaucracy that sits in the H could arrest American soldiers because you don't recognize this corrupt body

[38:37] any more than we do. And they could say that the president of the United States is a war criminal. That uh American soldiers valiantly fighting next to us, shoulderto-shoulder against these the tyranny and tan that they're war criminals. They could pick them up. >> Man, there's so much to talk about here. The United States and Israel are not signitories to what's called the Rome Statute. The Rome Statute created the ICC and made it something akin to what we had at Nuremberg after the Second

[39:07] World War where Nazi war criminals were given a fair trial. Some were acquitted and others were convicted, some were executed, some were imprisoned. But there ought to be an international agreement that when somebody commits war crimes or somebody commits crimes against humanity that they're dealt with. Right? Look at Sloban Mallich, the former dictator of Yugoslavia. He died in a prison cell in the HEG as he should

[39:40] have. But the United States doesn't recognize the ICC and Israel doesn't recognize the ICC. And so Netanyahu is free to come and go from the United States as he pleases and he comes many times a year. But what happens if he has a medical emergency on a flight? What happens if the plane has engine trouble and it's forced to land in Italy, Austria, Greece, Spain, wherever, Ireland,

[40:10] the leaders of those countries are compelled by treaty to arrest him and to turn him over to the ICC. Okay. What would happen in in that event? Well, Congress has already thought about what would happen. During the Obama administration, Congress passed something known as the HEG Invasion Act, which authorizes the president to call out the US military to invade the Netherlands,

[40:43] to invade the Netherlands, and to take over the International Criminal Court to then free Benjamin Netanyahu and let him run back to Israel. This is how crazy the world has gotten. Now, when Netanyahu talks about unelected bureaucrats, you know, yeah, that's the way the world works. Every country has unelected bureaucrats. That's how governments operate. Who elected the Nermberg tribunal? Nobody. They were appointed by the

[41:14] United States, Britain, France, and the Soviet Union. And it worked. It showed that rule of law is really a thing that needs to be respected. I've said multiple times in multiple venues, you cannot have your policy be to just go into some place like Gaza or the West Bank and kill everybody, men, women, children, the elderly. You flatten the hospitals, you flatten the flatten the homes, you flatten the

[41:45] schools, and then whoever survives, you starve them. Those are war crimes and crimes against humanity. And sure, the United States, which I believe strongly, is wrong on this issue. The United States is going to save you. But most other countries aren't. They aren't going to save you. Yesterday, we got another bombshell. This is Netanyahu strategizing with Lindsey Graham about how to discredit the ICC when they came out with their ruling

[42:15] that Netanyahu had likely committed war crimes. Listen to this. It's Lindsey Graham on the phone with Netanyahu. >> So basically they're going to have a street opponent of making the decision very soon. Is possible to have to appeal to uh the court to say, "Okay, we want to review this." Before you do anything, there has to be a review about this entire process. I understand that you sent a letter

[42:47] with maybe with some other senators. I don't know if you got any Democrat. >> I I tell you the perfect person would be the speaker. Speaker Johnson >> would be what? >> Speaker Johnson. >> No, to have to have him on the letter. >> Yeah, sure. Sure you would. I don't know. I won't know to try. But I will try. I promise you that.

[43:17] >> So, let's let's unpack that. Did you catch how casual their tone was? Uh, let me brainstorm some Democrats we can get to cosign. And of course, there will be or there would have been Democrats. Netanyahu there is talking exactly like how he would say say call a friend if a judge were to find him guilty of a crime. No plan. desperate for anything. I'm going to call my friend Lindsay, see if Lindsay can write a strongly worded letter, get

[43:50] a bunch of important people to sign it, and um hope for the best. What else are you going to do? Let me read for you the rest of that reporting from the New York Times because it's it's shocking. You're going to want to hear it. Quote, "Mr. Holder recorded the audio without video of a second call between the two men that he said took place later that day. Only Mr. Graham's voice could be heard. On that call, Mr. Graham joked to Mr. Netanyahu that he should quote, "pay me for all this. I should get tons of

[44:22] shekels," unquote. "It would take more than dinner," unquote, he added. Then he said that quote, "We got them both," unquote, appearing to refer to senators Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Ben Carden of Maryland, two Democrats who said they would sign a letter protesting the efforts to move ahead with an arrest warrant. Quote, "So here's why I'm calling you," Mr. Graham told Mr. Netanyahu, saying that he hoped to get the letter, quote, "Out the door

[44:53] Wednesday," unquote, appearing to refer to the next day, October 30th. quote, "So send me over whatever you want to say, and they want to say two things to the ICC," unquote. One was that the prosecutor should speak with the Israeli government and not move ahead with the case until, quote, the cloud is lifted, unquote, from the prosecutor's own problems. What Mr. Graham requested in exchange, he said, was for Mr. Netanyahu quote to call Blumenthal and Cardon and thank

[45:24] them for being fairminded on this and also thank them for trying to help with Saudi Israel normalization. You appreciate it. You're very interested in it and that will encourage both of them." The letter was released on November 1st, 2024, and it included Mr. Blumenthal and Mr. Cardon as signers in addition to noting the allegations against Mr. Khan, the prosecutor who just resigned a week ago because of sexual improprieties. The

[45:55] letter said that the ICC quote did not comply unquote with the law by declining to keep a planned meeting with Israeli representatives before applying for their arrest warrant. None of them responded for comment. Um, I'm very sensitive to the term espionage. Um, I mentioned in a previous episode that in my case, my judge set a new legal precedent for application of the Espionage Act and she determined that

[46:28] espionage was very simply providing national defense information to any person not entitled to receive it. Simple. None of these documentary filmmakers were cleared for classified information. And literally everything that Lindsey Graham is talking about is classified. People in the United States have gone to prison for far less collusion with a foreign leader than what he we have seen in these tapes, these videos of Lindsey

[46:58] Graham and Benjamin Netanyahu. And it also leads me to ask where in the world America's relationship with Israel is heading. Where will it be in 5 10 30 years? I mentioned in the last five there's been a 50 percentage point split or move away from support for Israel. And now the vast majority of Democrats, the vast majority of independents and a

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[49:33] was in the CIA, it used to be my job. It was my very first job in the CIA to to profile foreign leaders for the president, the vice president, the national security adviser, and the secretaries of state and defense. anytime they were seeing a world leader, we had to write a classified psychological profile of that world leader. And I still kind of enjoyed doing it just for myself. My job at the agency when I first got hired was uh to be essentially Saddam Hussein's classified biographer for the

[50:05] intelligence community, his his classified psychological biographer. and I worked with a team of psychiatrists, psychologists, and anthropologists to make sure that that we had cutting edge analysis. Well, our first profile is going to be on a man named Raza Palavi, someone who also attended Lindsey Graham's funeral yesterday in Washington. Raza Pali is a former crown prince and the eldest son of the last Sha of Iran.

[50:36] He's been waiting in the wings attempting to jockey to lead Iran in the event of regime change. You're going to hear how charismatic he is in these clips. And you can make your own decision as to how likely it is that he's going to be the leader of Iran. But let me say a couple of things about Raza Pali. Um I not so jokingly have referred to him in podcast appearances in the past as the clown prince of Iran. He left Iran as a very young man in his

[51:07] very early 20s or about the age of 20 in 1979. He hasn't been back to Iran since 1979. He is strongly supported by Israel uh by the Jewish community here in America, by the Iranian exile community here in America. not the entire community, but I mean like the Southern California, very wealthy uh Iranian exiles. He lives in a multi-million dollar

[51:38] palace in PTOIC, Maryland, a close-end suburb of Washington DC, but he's not a player. He's never been a player since the US and Israel began bombing Iran. He's appeared on a handful of podcasts. He was on the Patrick Bet David show uh once or twice and a couple of other podcasts in which he sort of says what you would expect him to say that you know yes the regime is terrible it has to be overthrown the Iranian people have to be liberated and then sometimes he'll say

[52:11] that he's the one who should lead Iran and other times he says that he's not the one who should lead Iran. The truth is he and I've I've said this in the past and I've gotten death threats for it. I'm going to say it again. He would not survive the walk from the plane to the terminal if he were to go back to Iran. Nobody wants him in Iran. Nobody. And if there's one thing that the Israeli and American bombing of Iran has done

[52:41] is that it's united the Iranian people. You can't you can't attack a country, murder its religious leader, murder most of its senior governmental leadership, murder all of its military leaders, murder all of its nuclear scientists, and say, "We are here to help. We know we've been bombing you and we the first night of the bombing we blew up the school and killed 160s something

[53:13] little girls from a school. But but we are the good guys and we're here to help you. And we want to take this stoogge, this clown from PTOIC, Maryland, and impose him on you so that he can be a dictator like his father was. Well, the reason that that Raza Palab's father, Muhammad Raalvi, was overthrown in the first place is because he was a bloodthirsty, murderous dictator,

[53:44] and people were tired of being murdered by the Savak, the secret police. So, Raza Palv is not going back to Iran. He's not going to lead Iran. He's not going to be a player in any respect. Although the pro-war faction of the Republican party and the Israeli government think he's

[54:14] great. We've got a little clip that we want to show you of an interview that Raza Palvi did yesterday with Reuters. There have been reports and they're kind of anonymous that you've received funding from Israel and Saudi Arabia. Is that true? >> Absolutely false. I have not been a recipient of any governmental or public fund on the outside. Every dime that comes to my campaign comes from private donations of supporters. Hopefully, we'll have more benefactors that'll give us bigger checks.

[54:45] >> From where we're sitting today, when do you think regime change might occur? >> I think we're very close to it. And the reason I say this is because first and foremost, the regime is at its weakest it's ever been since 47 years. Not to mention the fact that in terms of legitimacy, it has totally lost any remaining possible legitimacy it might have had. That's just wrong. He's just wrong. He forgets that when his father was first

[55:15] overthrown, Iran went through a series of presidents. There was even an editorial cartoon at the time I remember in the New York Times where Ayatollah Humeni was telling some Iranian-looking guy, I have good news and I have bad news. The good news is I'm naming you president of Iran. The bad news is I'm naming you president of Iran. Because there was a cycle of presidents of Iran that would just get blown up or shot or arrested or disappeared or

[55:46] whatever. That was when the regime was weak. Not today. This war has forced the Iranian populace together to rally. You know, you would think that we would have learned a lesson with the Iraq war. We have so convinced ourselves that we're the good guys. We just can't fathom the notion that when we cross a border, we're not going to be seen as liberators. were going to be seen as

[56:16] invaders and occupiers. It happens time and time again. We couldn't defeat the Taliban. They didn't even have shoes and they beat us. We couldn't defeat uh the Iraqis. Iraq is still in a state of chaos. But we think that we're going to be greeted in as liberators in Iran. Why would we think that? We would think that because people don't have any understanding of history. So, here is this clown waiting in the wings pretending to jockey to lead Iran

[56:50] in the event of regime change. Well, I would liken him to Ahmed Chelby. For those of you who don't remember Ahmed Chelby, he was a similar clown that was in the pay of the CIA, the American government. and we made this really stupid plan to make him the president of Iraq as soon as we overthrew Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi people said, "Oh, no you don't." Well, it's happening again. Finally, one
