Title: The Jimmy Dore Show
Show: The Jimmy Dore Show
Date: 2025-10-24
URL: https://youtu.be/QSHXNtBrjC0
Duration: 13:00

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[00:00] He's admitting that we used to be on opposite sides, but now we're on the same side. When did al-Qaeda stop being head choppers? >> Well, that's that's a good question. And there's never been any explanation by the US government as to why and even when the policy changed. >> Our guest is here. Uh John Kuryako is a former CIA analyst, case officer, senior investigator for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and former counterterrorism consultant. He was the first to reveal that the CIA

[00:30] waterboarded detainees and to label waterboarding as torture. He subsequently became the sole CIA agent to go to jail in connection with the US torture program. Of course, of course, the person who goes to jail is the person who except that he was uh prosecuted by the Obama administration under the Espionage Act for being a whistleblower whereas none of the individuals who actually engaged in the actual torture were prosecuted. Welcome back to the show. John Kuryako. Good to see you in person. >> Thank you. Good to see you. >> John, I wanted to show you get your

[01:01] reaction to this. Now, you know this. This is the US amb embassy in Syria tweeted this out. We remain committed to bringing leading AQS figures in HTS to justice, meaning al-Qaeda. That's basically al-Qaeda. >> I know where he is. John, can you pass it along? You get my money? >> Yeah. I think he's uh sitting with David Petraeus uh in New York. >> Well, so here here he is. Here he is with our Secretary of State. So, they want they had a $10 million reward on him and now here he is. And uh uh oh, look out. Here comes a lady showing her

[01:32] legs. That's against your he might have to kill her. Anyway, uh so there he is. >> Called for forgiveness, Jimmy. >> So this literally this guy, he takes off the uh uh terrorism garb, shaves his beard, and puts on a Brooks Brother suit, and now he's meeting with the Secretary of State in the United States. This is al-Qaeda leader in Syria. And here he is meeting with the former uh general and head of the CIA, former head of the CIA. And this is what the CIA had said. >> We're nationalist certainly. Yes, a

[02:02] degree of political Islam. Uh but but frankly, what you have done uh since toppling the Balad regime has validated what it is that I assessed it and I was criticized by the way quite considerably. I just want you to tell you really on behalf of all the people who are here uh that this conversation has truly filled me with enormous hope. Uh it has been very very heartening and illuminating.

[02:35] Um your vision is is powerful and clear. Uh your demeanor itself is is very impressive as well. And so again on behalf of all here and all those that are watching virtually and so forth, we thank you for sharing your vision today. We wish you strength and wisdom in the difficult work ahead. We obviously hope for your success inshallah because at the end of the day your success is our success. Thank you very much.

[03:05] >> So that that's he's talking to the head. Now that's the head. Now, I know people who joined the military to go fight that guy, to go kill that guy because they attacked us on 911. >> And now here is >> question Jimmy. >> What's that? >> Uh, John is there. So, I've been told a bunch of times, but I don't know if it's true. It sounds so I mean, this is already crazy, but was that guy in the Daniel Pearl video standing behind Daniel Pearl? That's what they they say about him. You know, a talking a lot of work went into into figuring out who was

[03:36] in the room in that Daniel Pearl video. Just as as background, I saw Daniel Pearl the day he died. >> Oh, no kidding. >> I happened to be uh working in the American embassy in in Islamabad, Pakistan. Um I had a friend uh Tommy McCale who was a Port Authority of New York, New Jersey detective on loan to the FBI in Islamabad. We hit it off and he calls me one day and he said, "Hey, there's a Wall Street Journal uh reporter down here, Daniel Pearl. Uh he

[04:06] wants to uh to check in because he's going to go to a meeting later that's a high threat meeting." I said, "Yeah, I'll talk to him." So, we went downstairs. I went downstairs. Tommy was already downstairs. We met with Daniel Pearl. And uh I said, "So, who you going to meet with?" And he said, "Oh, it was I forget, Ji Muhammad or Ansar Allah. I forget. It was one of these groups." And I said, I remember looking at Tommy and saying, "That is a very bad idea." And he said, "No, I've been working on this for 6 months. We've been dialoguing for

[04:37] 6 months. They finally agreed to see me." I said, "I don't think you appreciate just how dangerous it is here." And he said, "No, I'm doing it. I'm doing it." And then they found his head on one side of town, they found his torso on the other side of town. What did you think was going to happen? But anyway, the Pakistanis arrested someone who who confessed to being the guy to actually saw Daniel Pearl's head off. But then

[05:08] after waterboarding Khalich Shake Muhammad 187 times, he confessed to killing Daniel Pearl and sawing his head off. In fact, it was KSM who said, "If you look at the video, you see how hairy the arm is. Look at my arm. How hairy it is." It's like, "Yeah, you have a hairy arm, but there's already a guy that's been sentenced to a thousand years in prison for confessing to the Daniel Pearl killing." Sure, it could have been this guy. Golani, we have no idea. We

[05:39] don't know if we can trust the Pakistanis. Did they just arrest this guy because he was a pain in their ass and they knew that the Americans would be happy that somebody was arrested? I think that was probably the case. This guy, Golani, don't forget, not only was a senior member of al-Qaeda, he was the deputy founder of ISIS. Why? Because al-Qaeda wasn't radical enough. And then all of a sudden, no, no, no. We're all best friends. >> Now we're best friends. It's so >> best friends. if you got your dick blown

[06:10] off at war and then saw I mean >> people in the intel community >> this is my question dude did you anticipate seeing something like this cuz this >> never so at so what first got me on the bad algorithm on YouTube was that I was debunking the the CIA narrative or the establishment state department narrative about the Syrian war. Yes. And I was showing that these gas attacks >> easy to attack. >> And and so um I was telling people that just like Tulsi was if you get rid of

[06:41] Assad, who's going to take over? It's going to be al-Nusra, al-Qaeda, ISIS. That's who's going to take over the country. You guys realize this. And people called me a conspiracy theorist. I still, if you Google me, it's still I'm a conspiracy theorist about Syria, even though everything I said came true. >> No, I I'm with you 100% on Syria. I said on my own radio show, which of course has been cancelled thanks to sanctions by the Biden administration, I said whether you like his politics or not, >> Bashar al-Assad is the only thing standing between the Christian community in Syria and complete annihilation. The

[07:13] Washington Post then had somebody listening to the show and they said that I was a threat to our democracy because I was raising these issues. >> Yeah. No, your kne your threats to the military-industrial complex and uh >> Sasha Baron would have thrown you out of the room for that kind of talk. >> That's right. You remember that? Last time I was on, we talked about that. >> So, let me >> talk about Yeah. Sorry. >> Let me just play Let me play one more. >> Please join again in welcoming President Ahmed al-Shara to the stage. As you

[07:44] know, Mr. President, I spent over 37 years in the US Army. Uh, and I was a soldier, not a diplomat. So, I hope you'll forgive me if I speak with the directness of the old soldier that I am as I get the first question out of the way because the fact is that we were on different sides uh when I was commanding the surge in Iraq. >> Yeah. He was on the side of the guys who blew up the Twin Towers according to you. So now we're friends with them. So now it So now we're supposed to So why

[08:14] do we still have the emer uh the um uh the authorization for the use of military force? uh given to the president to go fight this guy if this guy's now our friend. >> Why are they trying to reboot ISIS? Can't we have our best friend in Syria call up ISIS and tell him to knock it off? Seriously. >> So my so my theory is and I want to run it past you is that uh and I've thought this for a long time is that ISIS and al-Qaeda well al-Qaeda was obviously an invention of the United States in some way. Hillary Clinton even talked about that how we created >> ISIS was as well

[08:45] >> and ISIS I think is just they the the key is they never attack Israel. So ISIS u there when there someone gets injured Israeli doctors take care of ISIS and they say it's because of God or something most moral army in the world >> and they never attack and they they never attack inside Israel. Isn't that wild? So that's I'm a thousand% sure that the United States and the Mossad invented ISIS and al-Qaeda. And the reason why is that we can now use them

[09:15] as an excuse to go bomb and overturn any country we want after the after 9/11. We can because the the AUMF, the authorization for the use of military force. So you don't have to declare war. The president can just unilaterally, which is what we've been doing in Syria and Libya and what we did in uh uh Yemen and we just doing it all over the place. >> Somalia. >> Somalia. Um, and the second one is, uh, so we get to use them as a, uh, as an excuse to go do that. And, uh, now I forget what the second one is. God damn it. But, um, here it is. Uh, he's

[09:48] admitting that we used to be on opposite sides, but, now we're on the same side. When did al-Qaeda stop being head choppers? Well, that's that's a good question and there's never been any explanation by the US government as to why and even when the policy changed. You know, Donald Trump just said apparently spontaneously one day, "We're lifting sanctions on Syria." Why? You just saved a guy who co-founded ISIS, a guy who was the head of

[10:19] al-Qaeda, then called the Nuslar front in uh in Syria. Why? What? What necessitated this change in policy? This is the guy that dedicated his life to murdering Americans. Yes. What do you tell all the military people or or the families of military people who were killed in this fight? >> Oh, I know for nothing. I know >> ICE remember ICT wrote Cop Killer and it was really controversial, but later he became a beloved law and order cop on TV. >> That's a good That's a good point.

[10:50] They're all actors. It's all fake. Yeah. >> So, yeah. So, they Oh, so the second reason is they invented ISIS and al-Qaeda to do their dirty work like in our dirty war in Syria. So, we funded the CIA funded uh al-Qaeda and ISIS and al-Nusra and often and then the Pentagon would would fund other groups of terrorists inside. I saw Rambo three >> to get rid to get rid of Assad. And and a lot of times or or sometimes often enough that it got reported in the

[11:21] Washington Post that the CIA backed terrorists would be fighting the Pentagon backed terrorists and they would fight each other. So that happened that's not on the front page obviously that's on page 78 right >> of the Washington Post but it's there. >> I wonder if they do that here too. >> I wonder if they do that here. Yeah, of course they do. What if they're radicalizing furries here? >> Just to show you how how ridiculous this is this kind of overall policy. One of the things that I did when I was stationed in Pakistan, one of the things that everybody does when they're stationed in Pakistan is there's a

[11:51] reward program out there for Stinger missiles. Starting in 1986, we provided Stinger missiles to Mujahedin in Afghanistan to fire at Soviet aircraft, mostly um helicopters. It changed the course of the war. The Russians, the Soviets ended up pulling out. But there are hundreds of Stinger missiles still out there. their shoulder fired, >> right? >> So, we've got this rewards program where if you bring a Stinger missile into the embassy, uh, we'll give you 100 grand in

[12:22] cash. So, every once in a while, I'd get a call from the front gate. Um, there's a guy here. He's got a missile in the in the bed of his pickup truck and, uh, he says it's a stinger. So, I come out and I look at the missile and they all have these little these little plaques on them with serial number. So, I I tell the guy, "Hold on. Have a cup of coffee. I'm gonna make a call and I'll get back to you." So, I put it in a quick cable. I send it to headquarters. This is the number. They say, "Yep, it's one of ours." I go to the money room. I pull

[12:54] out a hundred grand. I go down front. Here's your money. I take my missile and that's one more off the street. Now, was that really a smart thing to do to just turn over Stinger missiles to the Mujahedin knowing that they have a shelf life of a good 40 years? And they can be used against us. >> Yeah. No, that was not a good idea. >> They don't go bad. The >> No, >> they don't. It's like the MREs. >> Totally. Seriously, >> we're still eating MREs that have manufactured dates from the Vietnam War.

[13:26] >> Well, >> and they're still just as delicious. >> Listen, the ham and eggs, you can't go wrong. >> Come see me on tour. I'll be in Sacramento, San Francisco, Irvine, California, Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane, Australia, and then Burbank, California, the day after Thanksgiving. Go to jimmydor.com for a link for tickets. [Music]
