Title: John Kiriakou Podcast: Nick Bryant on the Unanswered Questions in the Epstein Case
Show: The JK Report
Date: 2026-07-13
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD04X4pbFWc
Duration: 2688

---

[00:00] We've seen a charade regarding Epstein for quite some time. And you got to keep in mind that there are four presidents that have covered this up. Bush, too, started the cover up. Obama continued the cover up. Biden continued the cover up and Trump has continued the cover up. Where Trump made a mistake, I believe, [music] is that he thought he could crack Pandora's box open and and then quickly shut it. and and he cracked Pandora's box and the curse came out.

[00:30] The Epstein curse came out and Trump has been very successful at burying things, but this couldn't be buried. [music] Hi, I'm John Kuryaku and welcome to Deep Focus. Before we get started, I wanted to ask if you would do us a favor. that favor is to subscribe, like and share this interview uh with your friends, with your colleagues, with whomever on social media. It helps us a great deal because it hits that algorithm right in

[01:02] the sweet spot and we're better able more easily able to spread the word. So, thanks for that. Today we're going to talk about something that has been in the news a lot a lot over the last week, month, the last several years, ever since 2019 when Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. And that is the so-called Epstein files, the so-called Epstein documents. Do they even really exist? We know that emails do. We know that because Democrats last week in

[01:32] Congress released about 20,000 pages of these documents. There's been a lot of pressure on Donald Trump to release whatever these documents or files happen to be. He promised that he would order such a release during the campaign uh for president in 2024, but no such release has been forthcoming. Well, now we've got the attorney general of the United States saying that there is no such thing as an actual Epstein file. So, what's the truth here? And if there is a file, who's implicated? And why

[02:03] hasn't the president ordered the release? We're going to talk about all this with someone who probably knows this issue better than anybody else in America, and that is Nick Bryant. Nick is an investigative journalist, an activist, and an officer in Epstein Justice. He's also the author of the book The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal. Nick, welcome back to the show. It's good to have you. >> Good to be with you, John. >> Thank you, sir. So, let me ask you the most basic question. Is there such a

[02:33] thing as an Epstein file? Or are all of these documents that we've waited for with baited breath just meaningless emails that we may have seen already in the past? I think the emails are giving us new information for sure. I mean, they're showing the breadth of Epstein's connections and the Epstein's the emails between Epstein and Aud Barack are are very telling because it showed that Epstein was sculpting geopolitical events.

[03:04] I think that at this point we need more documentation, but the emails give us a glimpse. And I just want to add a caveat before I talk about those emails. there. The first email that was released by the house, Epstein is emailing Maxwell and Epstein says the dog hasn't bark and he's alluding to Trump. I think he's thinking that somebody was an informant, but this is from 2011. This was like four years

[03:35] after he'd been busted by the uh by the the police. So, he said that the the dog hasn't barked or something like that. And then he said, "Trump's been with this victim for hours." And that document is pretty damning because it's from 2011 when years after Donald Trump said FD was persona, but someone put a unredacted version on the internet that says Virginia. Instead

[04:05] of just the redacted victim, it says Virginia. And if that is the case, that's really problematic because Virginia said she never had was molested by Trump and she also said and she was also living in Australia at that time. So I've spent the last couple of days so sleuththing trying to find where that email came from. I've emailed I've got I've got a connection to the oversight committee and I've emailed that person and that person I've actually I emailed that person three times. I said, "Just give

[04:36] me a yes or a no on this." And um and actually other people have too, and they've been mums the word. And so I did some soothing and I was able to trace the origin of that email to someone named MJ Truth Alultra. So MJ Truth Alter doesn't really strike me as the kind of person that would have access to unredacted documents, but I just wanted to to add that caveat before

[05:08] we started talking about emails. No, >> I'm glad I'm glad you did. I also wanted to ask you to comment on something that the New York Times reported on over the weekend. They went through a lot of these emails or all of these emails and what they found they said was they used the word sad. I used the word pathetic. It was a lot of movers and shakers from New York society, from Wall Street, the swells who eat at the fancy restaurants or go to the popular clubs. And they're

[05:39] they're all now accused of um me too violations, being handsy with the women in the office, for example. And they're actually reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein and asking for advice. How did you get through this? How can I get through it? It was it was sickening to tell you the truth, but that was the focus of the New York Times over the weekend. Is that really the story here or are we looking for something that's much bigger? I think there's multiple stories here. Actually, those particular emails, it's very

[06:10] strange that you would come go to a registered sex offender and pedophile for advice on sexual [snorts] harassment. But Ebstein was able to emanate this omniscience that people really thought I believe that he had was very omnisient. And when you get into the emails between Epstein and Ahoud Barack, the former prime minister of Israel and also an accused pedophile, actually a very violent accused pedophile, you get to see just how

[06:42] powerful Jeffrey Epstein is. that he is helping Ahoud Barack and the Israeli government sculpt geopolitical events. So with Ebstein, these emails are a beginning. The one that I think is the most incriminating and the one that was released first was Ebstein saying that he he thinks that Trump hasn't barked but and he's with a victim and he's been at at my place and he's been there for hours. That is a very incriminating

[07:13] email from 2011. And these emails are coming from 2017, which is years after Donald Trump ostensibly banished Jeffrey Epstein from his life. So what we're seeing is according to these emails, Donald Trump has told a number of lies concerning his ongoing relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I want to ask you specifically about this these revelations relative to Ahoud

[07:45] Barack. Ahoud Barack was a giant in America because he was an Israeli prime minister that the American government believed it could work with. He supposedly supported ongoing negotiations with the Palestinians etc etc. These emails make him look like a monster and indeed he may very well have been a monster. So, what is it that's new that we're learning about Ahud Barack and about the Israelis? And the reason I say Israelis is because I'm on record as saying that

[08:17] in my experience as a CIA officer, when I see this kind of evidence, it leads me to believe that Epstein was what we would call an access agent for the Israeli government, trying to get close to senior American officials, American business leaders in order to glean non-public information and send that information back to the Israeli government. But then it doesn't explain Ahoud Barack. Can you enlighten us on that? >> The woman that started the allegations against Ahoud Barack was Virginia Gurey

[08:48] who committed suicide some months ago. And she had a book come out recently called Nobody's Girl. And she refers to Audac as the prime minister. That's it. But I knew Virginia and she was terrified of Ahud Barack. Terrified because he was very violent. She was terrified of his violence and she was also terrified of his connections to the MSAD. And she was a fearless woman for an quite some time and she was also terrified of Less Waxner because of Less

[09:19] Wexner's ties to the mafia. Now, I was able to show that Les Waxner had numerous ties to the mafia in an article I wrote some years ago. So with Virginia Gurey, I mean this it's it's a very sad story, but she was ultimately terrified of a hood Barack. And the way that she described her interactions with a hood Barack are are palpable and and horrific.

[09:50] And I don't believe that she was just conjuring her her interactions with the hubra out of home a whole cloth. What do you think? Who do you think ultimately had responsibility for this Epstein situation? Epste aside, of course, he has to take responsibility for his actions, but there had to be somebody behind him supporting him, funding him. It couldn't have all been less Wexner. Uh, and then at the same time, how did

[10:23] he get that sweetheart deal with the government back in 2006? A deal like that would have to have gone to the president for approval. No attorney general, especially not one as weak as Alberto Gonzalez, would have allowed a sweetheart deal like that to go through without the president's approval. So, what what do you think we're actually looking at here? Was he working for the US government? Was he working for the Israeli government? Was he working on his own with maybe support from one or both governments? What's the conclusion? >> It's I I've always said that Ebstein was

[10:56] working with Israeli intelligence and also American intelligence. I think it's pretty obvious and the emails from Ahoud Barack to Ebstein and and vice versa definitely shows he's working for the Israeli government. But then when you look at the sweetheart deal, there's only the US attorney Alexander Aosta for the Southern District of Florida. He's not going to make a sweetheart deal with Epstein like that. He's not going to cover up a nationwide or international

[11:26] pedophile network. He's not going to go out on a limb like that. He's going to kick it up to Alberto Gonzalez and then Alberto Gonzalez, you're right, is going to kick it up to the president. So my theory is that he was working for both Israeli intelligence and also American intelligence. You can talk to Ari Benashi and his take is different. His take is that Bush was doing a favor for Israeli intelligence. But as a former intelligence agent, do you think that

[11:59] the CIA that the the very dark side of the CIA is going to allow the very dark side of the Mossad to compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence? >> Not in a million years. That doesn't make any kind of sense at all. Not the least reason being that the CIA and the Mossad have traditionally um hostile relations uh because the Israelis won't stop spying on Americans. But no, there's no reason for the CIA to do a favor for Mossad like that. Absolutely

[12:30] not. And even if they wanted to, which they wouldn't, they would have to get the approval of at least the national security adviser and probably the president. In this case, with Epstein's sweetheart deal, it's very obvious that it was Bush was the prime mover for the sweetheart deal. And constitutionally, there's only two people that can tell the US attorney to stand down. One is the attorney general, one is the president. So it went all the way up and

[13:02] which I believe shows that Epstein was also working for American intelligence. It was compromising and Ebstein I think I I think we have Epstein has multiple talents. Um Les Wexner gave him power of attorney over his kingdom in 1991. just handed him the keys to the kingdom. And Epstein could do whatever he wanted with Les Wner's billions. And

[13:33] you see these things reported, and this this is from Vanity Fair, which I've always thought was a little on the the ridiculous side. Vanity Fair reported that the reason why Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Abste power of attorney over his billions was that Wexner was lonely. You cannot you cannot make stuff like that up. And then Leon Black, who was head of Apollo Management and also a pedophile, who I believe was Epste was providing

[14:06] underage girls to, he gave Epstein $160 million or $170 million, depending on who you talk to. And he said, and the and multiple media outlets reported it just wasn't Vanity Fair. multiple media outlet said that he gave Jeffrey Epste $160 million so Jeffrey Epstein could help him with his taxes. Now a guy like Jeffrey Ebstein, I mean Leon Black has a battalion of accountants so he doesn't have to pay

[14:36] one penny more than he should or needs to which probably he probably pays less in taxes than you and me. But that's such a a a ridiculous disingenuous cover story. I originally thought when I was digging into Epstein, I've been digging into epste since 2012. When I was originally digging into epste, I thought that these things were a function of blackmail. >> Yes. >> But actually they very well might be a

[15:08] function of blackmail. But I think Epstein was a worldass money launderer. And we've seen that with these lawsuits against JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank. There were a lot of things that Epstein was doing that weren't kosher, but JP Morgan, for example, was letting him get away with it. And so I think that Epstein was a worldclass money launderer and also a worldclass pedophilic pimp.

[15:40] He I guess he was talented. Uh I mean if you if you're on the side of evil, he would be a good guy to he'd be like a first round draft choice. Well, you know, attorneys attorneys and and investigators will say that that it's still not difficult to launder money if you have access to luxury real estate, um, fine art or raceh horses. That's where most of the money laundering is taking place right now. And Jeffrey Epstein had access to those worlds. He

[16:12] was a part of those worlds. Jess Staley from JP Morgan. He was essentially head of the uh investment side. He he actually Epstein provided him with at least one woman that we know of. I mean, he's on record with that. I I think she was an adult. Um he had sex with her in his brother's apartment building on on the east side. He [snorts] let Jeffrey Epstein get away

[16:43] with so many things. And it's very obvious to me that he was compromised and Jeffrey Epstein was laundering money, substantial amounts of money. And I believe that when when you look at these really affluent individuals and their relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, it gets to be quite remarkable. was a according to our media Bill Gates and Jeffrey Ebstein didn't meet till 2011 but there's an article from the Evening

[17:15] Standard in the UK from 2001 I believe that says that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein were doing business in the '9s. So there's a lot going on here that we need to explore. Those those emails are are indicative of just the huge panorama of illegalities of Jeffrey Epstein and his connections. But we really need to start investigating. No one no one's has really investigated.

[17:45] >> Well, that was kind of my next question. Epste is dead, of course. Um the the issue has moved into the realm of the political. So, is such an investigation ongoing or if it's not, can you see one beginning? I believe right now we have the discharge petition that was started by Thomas Massie and Roana. >> Yeah. >> And that discharge petition needs 218 votes in the House and then it'll become

[18:16] bill if if it gets 218 votes in the House, it'll become bill 165 and then the House would vote on it. And if it received a majority in the House, it would go to Senate Majority Leader John Thun. And John Thun has expressed very negative ideas about what Roana and Massie are doing. And he could unilaterally kill that legislation. >> Yes. >> And if it made it past Jon Thoon, then you'd have the senators voting. You'd

[18:48] need 51 senators. And then if it so if it makes a pass it just >> you need 60 to break closure and then 51 to pass it. >> Yeah. So and but then it has to be signed by Donald Trump and that's not going to happen. >> Well, let me interrupt you on that point and I'm going to brag and say that I have a master's degree in legislative affairs. >> Okay. >> This all of this is unnecessary. This is a question of Donald Trump saying release the documents. They are

[19:20] executive branch documents. They are housed at the Department of Justice. All the president needs to do is say release the documents. But he won't say that. And so Congress in the form of Thomas Massie and Roana decided, [clears throat] well, we're going to force him. So then last night, we're recording this on on Monday the 17th of November. Last night, the president came out and said that he encourages all the Republicans to vote yes to release or or to uh to discharge the the bill from

[19:51] from committee. Well, he doesn't need to do any of that. All he has to do is call Pam Bondi and say, "Pam, release the documents." Why do you think he hasn't done that? Why is he playing along with this charade of congressional vote after congressional vote after congressional vote when none of it is necessary and all it does is delay the whole prospect of release? >> Yes, he could unilaterally release the documents and he could unilaterally kill a bill to release the documents. Donald Trump has done everything in his power

[20:25] to quash an Epstein investigation. He has called the Epstein pedophile network a hoax on a number of occasions and people in his ad administration have called it a hoax. And the worst thing you can say to a a survivor of sexual abuse is I don't believe you. And the best thing you can say is I believe you. So Donald Trump has said to all those Epstein survivors, I don't

[20:56] believe you. And then the shenanigans with Mike Johnson where he suspended the house early and then he's he's been very reluctant to to vote in the congresswoman from Arizona and he even came out and said Donald Trump was an FBI informant spying on Ebstein and that was so insane that he had to walk that back. So we're dealing with crazy people here. Mike Johnson is not he's not well. I mean, he has got an app on his phone called

[21:28] Covenant Eye and his son, 17-year-old son, has an app on his phone called Covenant Eye, and they monitor each other's intake of pornography, which I thought was extremely strange. And >> yeah, it is. >> As you as you know, a guy like Mike Johnson who's into Macob pornography or child abuse material, he would be very right to be compromised. And he's acting like someone who is compromised. I have to agree with you, Nick. I I'm not understanding the utter lack of

[21:59] leadership on this issue, whether it's on Capitol Hill or at the Justice Department or at the White House or even in the media. You know, time was when there there were teams of investigative reporters at the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the LA Times, and a dozen other places where they would be on this like white on rice and it's like they're not whatever whatever leak happens to come from the Justice Department, they run with it or Capitol Hill, they run with

[22:30] it. But we're not really learning anything new. Getting back to John Thoon for a minute, I think you're exactly right. I think that that Mike Johnson, the speaker of the house, realized that the the other side had the 218 votes. There was nothing he could do to stop it once the discharge petition uh was called to the floor for a vote. And so, he's just going to rely on John Thoon to kill it. And then Donald Trump will be able to say, "Well, I told everybody to

[23:02] vote for release and they didn't." So there's nothing I can do. When in fact, going back to our original point, this whole charade on Capitol Hill is unnecessary. All he needs to do is call the attorney general and say, "Release the documents." We've seen a charade regarding Epstein for quite some time. And you got to keep in mind that there are four presidents that have covered this up. Bush, too, started the cover up. Obama continued the cover up. Biden continued

[23:32] the cover up. And Trump has continued the cover up. Where Trump made a mistake, I believe, is that he thought he could crack Pandora's box open and and then quickly shut it and and he cracked Pandora's box and the curse came out. The Epstein curse came out. And Trump has been very successful at burying things, but this couldn't be buried because there were a number of MAGA people and decent people. I'm Ma

[24:03] people. A lot of MAGA people are decent people, but I'm talking about other decent. We want to know what happened with Epstein and he wasn't able to put the curse back. And that's what he's been dealing with ever since is the curse. And not only do you have the charade going on and and with Mike Johnson and the House, but you've got him putting a notorious, vicious child trafficker in Clubfed in Texas.

[24:35] >> Yes. >> Where she has a dog, where she t where she does yoga. Uh I just I find that just stunning. Listen, I have to tell you when when I was when I was sentenced to 30 months in prison for blowing the whistle on the CIA's torture program, my attorneys stood up in court and asked the judge if she would send me to a minimum security work camp like the one that Galen Maxwell is in right now. The judge asked the the prosecution, "Any

[25:05] objections?" "No," they said, "No objection." "Fine," she says. "You're sentenced to a minimum security work camp." I got to the prison. It we have an odd system here that you just you literally just drive to the prison and knock on the door and say, "I'm here to turn myself in." And so I did and I went to the camp, the minimum security camp, and they said, "Go across the street to the actual prison and they'll process you and they'll bring you back over here." I said, "Great." So I go across the street. I'm John Kuryaku. I'm here to turn myself in. They take me around

[25:37] to the back of the actual prison. And I said, "No, no, I'm supposed to be at the camp across the street." And the cop laughed at me and he said, "Ha, not according to my paperwork. You're not." Well, I was able to call my attorneys four or five days later and I said, "Hey, they put me in the actual prison with the pedophiles and the drug kingpins and the mafia dons. What do I do?" And my attorney said, "My god, well, we could file a motion, but it'll be 2 years before we we get a a court

[26:07] date. You're just going to have to tough it out, buddy. You're going to be home in two years. And so I was in the actual prison. Well, listen. Number one, there are rules. No sex offenders are permitted in minimum security. They are not permitted because they're dangers to society. The minimum security camps don't have any fences. They don't have any bars on the windows. the the doors remain unlocked because you're on your honor not to abscond and just run away, which

[26:38] they do all the time anyway. So, the fact that she was taken from a prison that was probably chock full of pedophiles and moved to a camp is absolutely unheard of. Now, the reason why pedophiles are normally placed in low security prisons is actually logical. Unless they've killed the children that they've molested, they're all placed in lows because the maximums, they won't last 15 minutes. They'll be killed. The mediums, they'll

[27:10] probably be killed there or at least get a regular good beating. And their escape risks in the minimals and so you put them in the lows. She's not in the low, she's in the minimum. So, yet another sweetheart deal that just defies any kind of logic. And the thing that's that's just perplexing to me is that neither the president nor anybody around the president or in the Justice Department have even bothered to try to explain to the American people

[27:42] why this dangerous, infamous pedophile is getting special treatment in the Bureau of Prisons. Can you shed some light on this? I really can't. Uh, according to that very strange document that was released by the FBI and the Department of Justice, which no one signed, Epstein and Maxwell molested over a thousand victims. Okay. So she and and there were there were no they had they had no

[28:12] co-conspirators which we know is obviously false but just the sheer amount of young girls that she that fell into her web and who she trafficked and molested is so substantial. And I think it's I mean my my take on this is that there was some kind of clandistant deal made with the Trump administration

[28:43] where she basically cleared Trump of any malfeasants with Ebstein and then she was put in that prison. And I've and then we've heard about a commutation and I really hope that doesn't happen. But so far, what we we've just seen so much malfeasants uh with the FBI document that said Epstein didn't act alone. And then Massie, who epitomizes like the Republican party. I mean, he built his

[29:14] own home. I mean, he's he's a very solid guy. >> Yes. He's a very nice guy, too. >> Nice guy. And and Donald Trump is actually getting his affluent buddies to fund his primary challenger or his challenger in the primaries because Massie keeps pushing for this Epstein investigation. There's been so many things that this administration has done, but it's happening right before our eyes.

[29:46] >> I want to ask you Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt, Nick. Go ahead and finish your thought. A >> pedophile network is happening is being covered up in broad daylight right before our eyes. I I want to ask you about the Democrats role in this cover up. You you mentioned and I think this is critically important. You mentioned the fact that that the Obama administration and the Biden administration did nothing. We're talking about Democrats in the White House for 12 years and they did literally nothing to bring this case to an end to try to

[30:20] make things right with the victims. It's it's easy to say, "Well, they were protecting Bill Clinton. They were protecting Bill Gates and the big donors." Is it really that simple or is there something that we're missing here? I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal. And what we see with the MCN scandal, it's it's almost a carbon copy of the Franklin Scandal. And there have been other networks that have been covered up. I think that this is

[30:53] enshed into our political system. And I think that when we look at our political system and we look at the people that we have the choice to vote for, I think it's because our political system has become heavily compromised. Heavily compromised with blackmail. >> So tell us a little bit about the victims. Virginia Duffrey, of course, was the most well-known. She she wrote this very powerful book. She committed suicide just before it came out. I've

[31:24] seen interviews with her family members. They're they're absolutely heartbroken. Um what about the other victims? The ones who have come forward. What are we hearing from them about these latest developments? There's a number of them that have come forward and actually they just released a video where they were really really extolling or they were really calling for an investigation into into Epstein.

[31:55] With that said, when the government says there are over a thousand victims, I believe that Epstein trafficked underage girls for I believe 25 years. But EP Epstein victim's compensation fund was set up and women that had been molested by Epstein could apply for a settlement from the Epste victim's compensation program. And only 225 women came forward [clears throat]

[32:27] and applied for a settlement. And 150 settlements were granted. But I believe eight or 12 women declined settlements because if you took a settlement from the Epstein victim's compensation program, you had to sign a release that you wouldn't litigate against your other perpetrators. And I've been told that the reason why only 225 came forward is they're they're terrified. These these and and traffickers are very

[32:58] good at getting into the minds of their victims. I'm sure that Epstein has told just about every victim, if you open your mouth, you know the kind of power I have, you're going to get crushed. >> Nick, how would this trafficking have taken place? Can you walk us through this? I mean, I can't imagine Jeffrey Epstein at some truck stop somewhere looking for underage girls and then smiling and giving them candy to get into his car. So, how how were these girls identified and then physically

[33:31] moved to wherever it is these atrocities were committed against them, whether it was on the island or in his townhouse or or somewhere else. How did that happen? Well, first of all, he's protected and he's been protected for a very long time. He was a teacher at Dalton and he didn't even have a college degree and and as people know Dalton is the one of the most elite schools in the United States

[34:03] and then he bounced around in finance and probably I mean did some unethical things got fired from Bear Sterns and then all of a sudden he emerges as Jeffrey Epstein international man of mystery, Gatsby s billionaire. And with Ebstein, these guys create a machine. And I think Maxwell was really integral in creating that machine

[34:33] where you get young girls and and these traffickers and and that's the one thing where the media has really fallen short. Traffickers are vicious people. whether they live in mansions on the Upper East Side or they live in trailer courts in Missouri, traffickers are vicious, vicious people. And there's been a couple of books that have been written. Uh Sarah Ransom wrote a book about her experiences with Epstein and Maxwell. They were vicious to her. They were vicious to Virginia.

[35:03] And but what happens is you get some people that are very good at calling victims and and and gleaning victims and then the victims are sent out scavenging. If the victims bring someone back, then they get $200 or $300. That was the same thing with the Franklin scandal. So, at a certain point, you've got this machine where you've got all these victims that are looking for other victims to bring back because they'll

[35:35] get $200 to $300. And then it's it's almost like perpetual motion at that point. So, and when you've got someone who doesn't have to worry about law enforcement, then the machine is much much easier to build. But he he and Maxwell built a machine. And what about prosecution? What about next steps? I would have to think that for the most part, the statute of limitations is expired for for many of these crimes or

[36:05] or perhaps all of these crimes if Jeffrey Epstein died in 2019. Uh do you expect anybody to be prosecuted? There isn't a stat I don't believe there's a statute of limitation a federal statute of limitation for child sexual trafficking. >> Okay. So they can be definitely I believe that they can be prosecuted and we know who a number of them are. Uh Sarah Kellen, she she was she helped run the machine. Leslie Grath, she helped

[36:36] run the machine. Nadia Marsonova, she helped run the machine. We know who a number of these women. I mean there was so the pilots. I mean there's so many people that could be subpoenaed and actually indicted. And if you these women that were part of the machine or that keep kept the machine going, you could easily indict them on multiple counts of child trafficking and they would roll over on the per. I mean, if if if our department of justice

[37:10] wasn't run by I I don't really know how you describe Bondi and and Patel. I mean, [laughter] it's I mean, clowns really I mean, if if our justice system wasn't run by clowns and we really wanted to get to the bottom of this, it would be a simple RICO case where it's an ongoing criminal organization and you start indicting the little fish and then they start turning on the big fish. It would be it would be a pretty easy case and that's what needs

[37:42] to happen. I started an organization called Epcene justice and what we want is a independent congressional investigation and I think that this can be feasible. We need a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate. We can bypass John Thoon. can bypass Donald Trump and independent congressional investigations can be very very effective because a number a lot of the time they incorporate investigators citizen investigators it's

[38:14] it's just not comprised of politicians because if Epstein if this issue went to a subcommittee it would it would definitely wither up and die subcommittees are very good at >> and that was the whole idea that was the whole idea of of uh Mike Johnson. Send it to a subcommittee. Let it just die there. Everybody's going to forget about it. He didn't expect a Democrat and a Republican to come together and file a discharge petition. Discharge petitions are exceedingly rare. I mean, people try

[38:46] them all the time, but the success of a discharge uh petition is is very very slim. There was one, for example, in 1986. It had to do with uh tax reform, right? and withholding tax specifically. They're they're almost never successful. This one's going to be successful to the point where they're people are going to write books about it. And so I think that on Capitol Hill, they're going to need to get their act together to make sure that they get on the right side of this issue because if they're on the wrong side, that's that's what history's

[39:17] going to remember. It'll be their legacy. Well, I see uh Trump hammering MAGA. There's a lot of MAGA people that have left the building because they see that this is a cover up. I' I've met a number of them online and u they see that this is a cover up and it's not a cover up of like financial crimes. It's not a cover up of political problems, political

[39:48] malfeasants. This is a cover up of child sexual trafficking. And I don't believe when Trump said he was going to release the Epstein files, I released, as you probably know, I released the uh flight logs and the black book in 2015. And I released more incriminating information about Epstein in 2015 than Bondi did in 2025. And with the the black book, I I told the the people at Gawker, they were the

[40:20] only ones that was I I tried to sell it for three years and then they were the only ones that willing to do this. I said, "We've got to redact the numbers of the adults." And then under massage, that was kind of a a euphemism for victim because I when I dialed those numbers, I I talk to various victims. So I said, "With the victims, we've got to redact their last name and then their number." And then I saw I I saw the black book that I put up and everything was redacted. Everything.

[40:50] >> Oh my god. Oh my god. Um, in the end, Nick, do you think that any anybody will be punished for this? >> Well, I've worked very hard towards this end and I'm hoping that we can move the needle with Epstein justice. I've known about Epstein since 2012 and and I took a beating with the Franklin scandal. No one wanted to believe what I

[41:21] had reported with the Franklin scandal. And it's kind of funny. Uh some of my friends thought I'd lost my mind um when I started pursuing the Franklin scandal, which I I spent seven years investigating. And I was walking through the village a while back and a friend of a friend who obviously knew what I'd done, he was screaming at me, "You were right. You were right." And what so this issue I I've been walking I've been watching this issue since 2002, 2003. I know of other networks that have

[41:52] been covered up. So the fact that one of these networks have made it this big as as far as being ubiquitous with the media is that is like a dream come true to me. I mean, I never to when when we released the black book and the flight logs, I thought this will do something and it and and it really did nothing. But now it's taken on a life of its own. And I think when you've got a

[42:25] disease, you've got to have awareness, acceptance, and then action. And I think so we got awareness and I think we're really moving towards acceptance and then action because child molesters whether they're rich or poor they need to be put in prison and we know who they are. That's the thing. We know who these people are. >> Yeah. Society needs to be protected from them. There's no question about it. >> And you just can't let child molesters

[42:57] walk. I mean, according to the Centers for Disease Control, 25% of underage girls have been molested and 5% of underage boys. People in the field think it's slightly conservative for underage girls and very conservative for underage boys. There's been a a study that's found that 16%. I don't believe it's that high, but if you just go with the numbers provided by the CDC, 50 million Americans have been molested as underage victims. 50 million. So that is a pandemic in our

[43:31] society. And if we say no, we're not going to if we if if our government says we're going to cover up a proven trafficking case, think what that's going to do to to these millions of victims who want justice, who want hope, who want a voice. If we allow the government to cover up Epstein in broad daylight like it's trying to right now, we're going to say to these people that have been molested as minors, you have no hope. You have no voice. And that we cannot do.

[44:03] >> That's right. >> Well, Nick, thank you very much for joining us and for enlightening uh enlightening us on this uh important and quickly changing issue. Good to have you back. >> Good to be with you. And I've been really digging into Jeffrey Epstein's geopolitical sculpting with a hood Barack and I've come across some amazing stuff. So at some point we should talk about that. >> That I would look forward to very much. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Well, Nick Bryant is an investigative journalist. He's an activist. He's the

[44:33] co-founder of Epstein Justice and author of the book The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal. I'm John Kuryaku. Please like, subscribe, share, and join us next time.
