Title: The Jimmy Dore Show
Show: The Jimmy Dore Show
Date: 2018-08-07
URL: https://youtu.be/mMAoad0hQUw
Duration: 17:00

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[00:00] hi everybody welcome to the jimmy dore show we have special guests with us today he has was a CIA operations officer until he blew the whistle on the CIA for its use of waterboarding he also is a columnist for reader supported news and he co-hosts the show loud and clear on Sputnik radio please welcome back to the show John Kerry aku hi John how are you agent me good to be back with you uh you know I just wanted to get your opinion because you're an expert on this and I I

[00:30] remember watching Rachel Maddow last year and she had on Chuck Schumer and Chuck Schumer was warning Donald Trump not to cross the intelligence community in fact I'm gonna play that for you right now let's show it you take on the intelligence community they have six ways from Sunday getting back capture so there is the Democratic leader in the Senate I out in the open on public and national television saying that the president should be afraid of the intelligence community because if he

[01:01] doesn't do what they say and he crosses them they have six ways to Sunday to get back at you and nobody's hair was on fire over that that unelected and unaccountable ected doesn't do what they say he's in a lot of trouble yes now John that that kind of wouldn't that make your hair stand on fire oh yeah and you know that the day after that ran a CNN called me and asked me to go on and they asked me to explain what Schumer

[01:33] meant and I said the first thing I said was what he didn't mean was sixty feet what he did mean is that these guys at the CIA they've been there twenty twenty-five thirty years presidents come and go and these guys are there always and they know they can wait out this president just like they can wait out any other president so if they don't like Donald Trump what they can do is selectively leaked to embarrass him or maybe they don't take a risk and go

[02:03] after that well-placed source then we don't have the best intelligence or maybe they don't initiate that high-risk operation just so nothing gets done and they muddle through and they wait for four years and they wait until the voters throw them out and then they get somebody they like okay so then I'm gonna show you this story from this is from July 13th it was in political it says a molar indict twelve Russians for DN C hacking as Trump Putin summit looms and it says the subheading is the

[02:34] indictment details the Kremlin's 2016 election meddling days before President Donald Trump is set to meet the Russian leader now buried in that article I just wanted to read this to you then I'll get your response buried in that article it says Rosen Stein added that the indictment does not allege that any US citizen committed a crime nor that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result I read that one more time so Rosen Stein's act in

[03:05] this big indictment it actually says that there is no conspiracy that changed the vote count or affected the election results yet the headline is this is a big deal now let me ask you two questions John is that one of the ways to Sunday that the intelligence community tried to undermine Donald Trump by undermining his meeting in Helsinki and number two why would the why would they blow up such an indictment like this if it if it doesn't

[03:37] allege that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected the election well that's all part of the narrative in one of the things that I've learned just over the last year or two is that most Americans don't read the article they read the headline and headlines are so impactful just in the way that they're worded oftentimes and I'm talking about major papers like the like the Washington Post the New York Times The Wall Street Journal they'll have a headline that that's just factually incorrect or it leads you to believe something that's not supported by the

[04:07] evidence you see that all the time to the point where on my own radio show we have an entire segment that we run every Friday on misleading headlines oh really oh yeah it happens every single day in America now to your first question yes of course the timing of that was done just to embarrass Donald Trump one of the things that the Russians did that I thought was really great though is when the first group of Russians was indicted and that was the the st. Petersburg troll farm they actually

[04:37] responded to the indictment saying that they wanted discovery and then the mother people had to go back to court and say oh we're not ready for discovery we can we need another 60 days well if you're not ready for discovery then why did you indict them in the first place you never expected them to go to court and ask for discovery you did it just to embarrass people and to push this agenda so yeah I mean I have no fan of Donald Trump's but we don't have to love the CIA and the FBI just because we don't like Donald Trump so now in Helsinki he

[05:09] was accused Donald Trump was accused of being a traitor by lots of very public very well-known establishment journalists and the reason they were calling him a traitor was because he disagreed he has since backtracked but he at the time disagreed with the intelligence community's assessment that Russia meddled in our election so he publicly disagreed with that and people were saying that that was treasonous of the President and I now correct me if I'm wrong John isn't it the president who

[05:41] sets our foreign policy and decides what's right and what's wrong in our intelligence community like if the president said I don't believe there's weapons of mass destruction even though the CIA says there is was he would he have been treasonous so that's my question to you treasonous and treason is actually delineated in the Constitution treason is very very specific first of all treasons a death penalty case so when you accuse somebody of treason you're talking about executing them for what they've done the definition of treason is taking up arms

[06:11] against your country or providing aid and comfort to the enemy during a time of war so people throw around this word trees and all the time and they don't know what the word means and clearly a lot of people journalists John Brennan who seems to know everything about everything they've never read the Constitution I mean and to me they make themselves look foolish when they make accusations of treason so what bike my bigger question is that no one ever

[06:42] even like just on its face that's a stupid accusation because the intelligence community doesn't represent the United States those are unelected spies that's right and the intelligence community is there as policy support the whole race on d'etre the CIA is to provide support for the policy makers so the policy makers can formulate the policy it's not up to the CIA or to John Brennan to decide what the foreign policy is supposed to be that's up to the White House and the State Department

[07:12] period so how do you think that seasoned journalists were able to get that 100% backwards upside down or wrong that that the president disagreeing publicly with the United States intelligence community is in fact not treason it's not even bad form in fact it's what the president should do if he feels like it right yes yeah that's right whether we like it or not he was elected president and he gets

[07:43] to set out his his own foreign policy we don't have to like it we have an opportunity to change it in November of 2020 if we don't like it but we can't say that it's it's treasonous one of the interesting things to me to Jimmy that you mentioned is is about the press the the press let's look at the Washington Post for example the Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos the editorial page is run by Hyatt what's his first name it escapes me right now Jeffery Hyatt and and basis and Hyatt

[08:14] have made this determination that they are going to be the anti-trump newspaper okay that's fine if that's what your editorial page is going to be that's up to you you own the newspaper but then you've got to be able to back it up and you can't back it up when you say things like what you just said the president's foreign policy is treasonous because I don't agree with it then you just make yourself look silly just just on its face I can't believe that people would get hoodwinked by that propaganda that

[08:45] somehow hey if you disagree you can disagree with the president's assessment that Russia did it and you and you say well I agree with the intelligence community I disagree with the president that doesn't make you a traitor if you disagree with the president why does it make the president a traitor if he disagrees with the intelligence community it makes absolutely no sense and it just shows you that that the lizard brain is excited in the establishment press right indeed and it's not like the intelligence community has never been wrong before right well this is what I'm

[09:17] talking about the very guy Muller who's investigating Trump was one of the guys who should be in jail for lying our country into an illegal war because he did it right in front of Congress and I played that videotape on our show on a weekly basis that's who everyone's putting that's the guy who Trump's not it's just amazing that's it that's really stunning to me you know I've got a personal beef with Robert Muller and just in the interest of transparency Robert Muller when he was the head of the FBI set up the John Kuryakin task force that spearheaded the investigation

[09:50] of me and then finally the arrest and prosecution so I'm no friend of Robert mothers with that said I don't have to make things up to to complain about Robert Muller right I played about Roe her mother based on the bags and the bags are that he's not he's not some you know the second coming of Christ he's he's just a guy a functionary who has his own political agenda whether he will admit to that or not he's a lifelong Republican he's part of the never Trump

[10:22] wing of the Republican Party and he's going after Trump because it he thinks it's his thing to do that's how these guys get promoted look at all the look at all the people that work for a Robert Mulla right now they're all career Justice Department attorneys eight usa's FBI agents this is how they get promoted they have to show scalps you know one of the things my wife said about me or said to me rather on the day that I that I took a plea she said you know one of the things that makes me so angry today is that somebody's going to get promoted

[10:53] for this and it's the same thing with the Trump situation they're looking into a date as many people as they can even if it's on on throwaway felony charges like making a false statement or perjury or conspiracy whatever that means or wire fraud or whatever just because that's a scalp and they can move up in the chain of command well speaking of speaking of the devil here he is we have the video and it is

[11:24] pointed out secretary Powell presented evidence last week that Baghdad has failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction willfully attempting to evade and deceive the international community our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological chemical or radiological material even he doesn't believe it he can't even bring his eyes up so you talk about a guy with a million tells that guy how do you get to be the head of a

[11:55] spy agency and you can't lie who did he give a bad liar so Jimmy I was I was at the very heart of that whole debate inside the CIA I was the at the time I was the executive assistant to the Iraq mission manager so I was privy to literally every piece of intelligence that was coming in on Iraq and I can tell you that there were protracted battles inside the CIA about whether or not the Iraqis had weapons of mass destruction and the conclusion was we

[12:25] didn't know I remember the analysts going at each other's throats about this issue and at the end of the day they just couldn't agree they didn't know but it was Ayman Televi if you remember that name from 15 or 16 years ago I do who went to Dick Cheney and said don't pay attention to CIA I have my own network of informants and I'll just pass that information straight to you through the Pentagon and so that's what happened they went around the CIA and I remember these these they were called DoD IRS Department of Defense intelligence

[12:57] reports coming in about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and I remember reading these and saying Wow well maybe we missed something because these reports are really specific and then somebody said but they don't tell us who the source is and every time we would call over to the the Pentagon and we would say hey we really need to talk to your source we have some follow-up questions it was always no no it's so sensitive you can't talk to our source well I mean that just proved that it was Tel Aviv and so we took ourselves out of it so

[13:28] what what I what I think happened is that child we didn't approach Dick Cheney Dick Cheney found chala v and then set up we're gonna have our own we have our own separate intelligence gathering agencies outside of the intelligence community and that's exactly how then they stove-piped information that way yeah I think that's I think that's really what happened yes okay I mean II had an agenda from from the very first day and you remember the story of Richard Perle going to the

[13:59] White House on September the 12 2001 and saying we have to attack Iraq and we have to attack Iraq right now well I just no I don't remember that story but I do remember the story that General Wesley Clark tells about the seven countries that they were going to invade and how they had it all laid out and how Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but they were going to war because that's what they were good at oh I'll tell you another thing I was the note-taker once in a secure video teleconference I was George Tennant's note-taker so I'm

[14:29] sitting behind him and we have all these screens all over the wall we had the White House at the NSC we had the the Joint Chiefs of Staff the State Department we had CENTCOM everybody was represented the Vice President was chairing the meeting and so my job is to just sit quietly behind George Tenet and take notes well the first thing that that Dick Cheney did was he asked general war who was the commander of CENTCOM at the time to give us a briefing and we had just crossed the border into Iraq the day before and so

[15:00] general war is giving this briefing and at the end of the briefing he says if things continue to go this well we can be in Tehran by August and Tenant paused for a second that he leaned forward and he turned off his microphone and he turned around to me and he said did he say Baghdad or did he say Tehran and I said he said Tehran and Tenant said to me have they all lost their minds and then he turned back around turned his microphone back on and I remember thinking oh my god people have

[15:33] no idea what we've gotten into I remember a guy on the NSE predicting the day before we moved into Iraq that Iraqis would line the streets and throw flowers in front of our tanks because they would be so grateful that we were liberating them and he was shocked when they started shooting back because we were invading their country these guys had no idea what they were in for like none of them were students of history was shocking to me yeah yeah but they're still gonna go to Tehran if one of these

[16:03] days yes there's trying right now yeah your eye out for movement of carrier battle groups that's the tip-off oh really what what does that mean carrier battle groups well you can't launch a war or an attack without lots and lots of air support in the region so right now we have one carrier battle group that's an aircraft carrier and twelve associated ships in the Persian Gulf we need more like six six in the area you can put three or four in the Gulf one in the Mediterranean one in the Indian Ocean maybe you have one in the Red Sea but

[16:36] you have to have lots and lots of missiles and bombers in the region and we don't right now so if if the Pentagon announces that we're going to start moving naval assets closer and closer to Iran that means we're gonna fight okay thanks for watching please make sure you're subscribed even if you think you are you're probably not it only takes a second to check and then you have to ring that Bell so they send you a notification when we drop a new video otherwise they won't tell you when we drop new videos and if you like our show please help support it become a patron

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