Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-08-18
URL: https://youtu.be/vwweQtSlWCs
Duration: 64:00

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[00:00] Hi, thanks for joining us. You're watching Drogram. Uh we're here Monday through Friday every day starting today. I'm Ted R, editorial cartoonist. John Kuryaku, CIA whistleblower is here with me as well. We had a good fun weekend hanging out together. Thanks everyone for joining. Please like, follow, and sh and share the show. Uh we are really appreciative of your support and uh we still need more of it. If you haven't done so already, please consider migrating over to Rumble where we really

[00:30] do make a lot more money. A lot of people are watching us both. Uh, you know, just keep one screen open and watch the other one and you'd be amazed at how much good that does us. We need those watch hours over on Rumble. Um, it's it's going to make this viable for us. Um, all right. So, what's on the agenda? Among other things, we'll be answering your questions as always. Um, we have the uh, of course, obviously the latest from Ukraine. A lot to talk about there. Democrats are back in Texas. Uh, Trump, I don't know. He's trying to

[01:01] eliminate all the ways that we know how to vote. Uh, he doesn't like mailin ballots and he doesn't like voting machines. I guess pigeons are next. Uh, Newsmax has to shell out $67 million to Dominion, meaning that if you get defamed, but you have deep corporate pockets, you can probably prevail in court. Um, MSNBC is changing their name. Paris is getting ready for 50 degrees Celsius days um in the near future uh because of climate change in Europe. We'll talk about what that means. Iran has arrested or detained over 20,000

[01:32] people suspected of possibly spying for Israel. We'll get into that. That seems like a lot of spies, but John, spying is is your thing. Um yeah, is >> Israel is uh Israel is increasingly isolated. Um a parent an accused pedophile. um has just been uh allowed to flee to Israel. This is the second this has happened before and I guess it will happen again, but uh people are paying more attention than they usually do. And Israel's plan to take over Gaza City couldn't be worse timed because

[02:03] Hamas has just agreed to a 60-day ceasefire uh just minutes ago and to release all of the hostages. So, what shall we do first? >> Oh my god. Well, first I want to say what a good time I had hanging out with with Ted and uh and those close to him over the weekend. We had a we had a nice lunch. I went to this uh hacker conference and and gave a short talk there. But when I got back home, Ted, by by Amtrak yesterday afternoon, >> as soon as I stepped outside of

[02:33] Washington's Union Station, I'm greeted by two enormous armored personnel carriers pointed at the train station along with an armored Humvey with a 50 caliber machine gun mounted on it. Why? What is the purpose of having armored personnel carriers and mounted 50 caliber guns? The purpose is to kill people. Okay. I mean, otherwise, what do you need those kinds of things for? They're to kill people. To make matters even worse, and I actually couldn't hold my

[03:05] tongue. I had to shout some epithets. Uh there were people, and I'm going to say pointedly, of all races, there were people taking pictures and posing with the National Guardsmen. It enraged me. Uh, but it's not just at Union Station, Ted. It's all the way up and down 14th Street. It's on the US Street corridor. It's in Georgetown in the center of Georgetown in front of the two-story Barnes & Noble. This is not where we

[03:37] have crime in Washington DC. >> It's in >> We have crime in southeast and in upper northwest Washington and even southeast southeast east of the Anacostia River. There are very specific areas that are of Washington. They're dangerous and these National Guardsmen at all are not in those areas. >> John, the visual that you gave me just now of the uh of the uh people taking selfies with basically this fascist light kind of thing, you know, reminds

[04:08] me of the clash lyric uh if uh Hitler came to the airport, they'd still send today they'd still send a limousine anyway. I mean, you know, it's like people are just, you know, resistance doesn't come naturally, especially not to the American people. >> Dad, I was watching, I'm sorry to interrupt. I was watching a documentary yesterday on um on Albert Anastasia, uh former crime boss who was nicknamed the Lord High Executioner for all the people that he killed. And uh he was finally

[04:38] put away by uh by uh then district attorney uh Dwey who then became the governor of New York, Tom Thomas Dwey. And then he ran for president against both Franklin Roosevelt and um and Harry Truman nearly beating Harry Truman. You remember Truman holding up the Chicago Tribune saying Dwey beats Truman. Dwey defeats Truman. Well, the conclusion that they came that they came to about that 1948 election was only because uh was only that Dwey lost because he had a

[05:09] short cropped mustache and it reminded people of Adolf Hitler because people Americans were so anti-fascist. So anti-fascist that they wouldn't even vote for a guy who had a mustache. >> That's so we changed. >> We We have changed. And poor Thomas Dwey. Well, I mean, he does have the New York State throughway named after him today. So, he does. He does. >> It's not the worst thing in the world. >> And you know what? He he was asked by Richard Nixon, I didn't know this till yesterday. He was asked by Richard Nixon in 1969 if he would become the uh the uh

[05:42] chief justice of the Supreme Court and he turned it down. >> How come? >> Um he said that he just wasn't really interested. He was 67 at the time and he had had a good life and he was calling it a career. Can you imagine in this day and age? He's a child. Um, yeah, that's uh that's that is that is super cool. Just want to thank uh over on Rumble, thank you for two Toa for becoming a monthly supporter and watching us both on Rumble and YouTube. So, we we appreciate you. Thank you so much. >> Thank you for that.

[06:13] >> And yeah, I mean obviously like the 50 cal is uh as David Wagner says is not much of a crime deterrent, right? That's not what this is about. This is about normalizing the militarization of uh American city streets. I mean, I've said it before, I'm going to say it again, but that's what this is. It's about making the abnormal normal, something that people are used to in other countries, but not here. >> That's exactly right. >> Um, all right. So, what should we talk about first? Should we get into the should we into Ukraine?

[06:45] >> Yeah, let's talk about Ukraine. All of Washington's on edge today. Uh even even the bridges into and out of town were were closed today uh just because so many important leaders are in in town for this meeting that's taking place right now as we speak. Uh meeting between Donald Trump uh Zalinski, the head of NATO, the head of the EU, the chancellor of Germany, the prime minister of the UK, prime minister of uh of Italy, the president of France, and

[07:16] the president of Finland. They're all here in Washington. They all seem to be very politely pushing back on Donald Trump. U Trump has shifted his position, of course, which we would all expect him to do. He's he's shifted his position on whether or not a ceasefire is a prerequisite for actually coming to an agreement. It was until it wasn't, and now it's not. Um, but he still maintains that he believes we're going to have at least the outline of a deal by Friday, whether the Ukrainians like it or not.

[07:48] But here's the key, and this is where it's it's especially um confusing. Witito said today, Whitoff the special envoy said today said this afternoon that the Russians had agreed to allow Ukraine to become what we call for other countries a major non-NATO ally. So it would have the same status as Japan, as South Korea, as Saudi Arabia and Bahrain and Kuwait. They're not members of NATO,

[08:20] but they get the same benefits as if they were members of NATO. The Russian foreign ministry came out immediately and said that is absolutely untrue. We never agreed to major non-NATO status for Ukraine. But then the Kremlin came out and said now wait a minute we haven't taken a position >> yet on major non-NATO status for Ukraine. So even the Russians appear to be a little bit uncertain as to what exactly their position happens to be. Which reminds us

[08:52] that Russia is not as much of an autocracy as the American media might like to tell us. >> Oh, Ted, I had to I had to shut off Oh my god. I had to shut off MSNBC. I I just couldn't do it anymore. It's as it's like it's like a neofascist uh uh network. It's incredible. They want war so badly >> and they want a coup so badly in Russia that they just can't contain themselves. Then I switched it to CNN. They're almost as bad, but I think they hide it

[09:24] a little bit better. So then I had to switch to Fox, which much to my surprise is like, well, you know, let's wait and see how things play out. >> A little more reasonable. >> Yeah. Uhhuh. Crazy. >> Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's wacky world for sure. Um, you know, but John, uh, the New York Times rep reported today that the Kremlin had offered, um, to allow, uh, you know, article five like protections to, um, to Ukraine under US and European protection a year

[09:55] ago. I'm like, John, did I miss that? Did I sleep late one morning and just not take the times that morning or did that did that happen? Or, you know what I mean? Like, what's going on? Did that happen? I don't remember it. >> I don't remember it either, to tell you the truth. I I'm not sure what the heck is going on. >> I mean, you know, at the New York Times, they have a lot of 28-y olds writing for them these days. >> That's true. That's true. And, you know, we're in this weird period where it's as though you can't take anybody seriously.

[10:26] Um, you don't know who's taking what position or they take a position and they deny having taken it or their position changes. Mhm. I I don't know. You look at the Washington Post today. You remember what a big deal it was, Ted, when when Jeff Bezos said that we're not going to write um op-eds or or uh editorials anymore on ABC, ABC, C, and D issues because everybody has a position, so we don't care anymore. Well, now the editorial page is completely right-wing. All

[10:59] >> completely totally right-wing. It's like looking at the New York Post >> and Well and and insanely corporatist. Um, a day or two ago, the Washington Post editorial board weighed in on driverless cars in Boston. >> What? and and said yeah and said that it's that and basically made fun of Bostononians who said who were against it saying that they're a bunch of of lites and it's time to get with it and uh dismissing the concerns that they basically had the gall in the editorial

[11:29] to say well they've already proven themselves in Tucson so Boston shouldn't be a problem I don't know if Jeff Bezos has ever been to Boston but I would say those two cities don't look anything alike >> nothing at all >> I mean Boston is an organic old city with twisty tiny little narrow streets uh and lots of double parking and extremely aggressive driving. Um you know that the term mass hole comes from there. Um you know it's like I always tell people like in New York people are bluffing and they're pretending like

[11:59] they're going to hit you. In Boston they're going to hit you. Um but yeah, so it it was just funny like why is the Washington Post editorial board interested in this? And I was like, I even commented on their comment section. Jeff, is that you? >> Oh my god. >> I mean, it's got to be like some, you know, investment of his. Uh, it's got to be, >> you know, there there's got to be a corporate interest there. >> Um, >> so let's talk about that um article 5 thing, right? Yeah. Okay. So,

[12:30] >> I understand why Japan would have that status without being a NATO because Japan's not in not in the North Atlantic. It's in the North Pacific. But why would a why would Ukraine want want how why would it receive sort of NATO like privileges without being in NATO? And why would Russia agree to it? I'm kind of leaning toward believing that they are agreeing to it. Is this just a way for Russia to save face? >> Yes, I think that's exactly what it is.

[13:01] I think that's exactly what it is. And if the Russians want the um if the Russians want the territory that everybody says they want, uh they're going to have to give up some major concession. And that major concession has to be this non-NATO uh ally status. So >> of all the of all of Russia's demands, I mean besides the territory obviously, which ain't nothing. Yeah. Um you know, we we are talking about taking over a fifth of a country. >> Yeah. It is% a big country. Um, it's not

[13:32] like taking a fifth of of of Likenstein, right? Um, but it's like still, uh, you know, you're talking about a lot. Um, I mean, to me, of all of Putin's demands, >> the NATO things seemed the most obviously reasonable. If I were the president of the Russian Federation, I wouldn't want a NATO power. a hair trigger World War I 1914 style alliances on away on my very sensitive border where people came across less than a century ago and killed 30 million of my

[14:02] people. >> That's right. I I couldn't agree more. >> See, and then that that just leads me to believe what you just alluded to that the two countries aren't exactly as far apart as as most people think. That a lot of this is posturing. Mhm. Uh, Soden 2324 on YouTube is asking us, "Why is our foreign policy so trash? And where, and by the way, thanks for the donation. And where and when did our foreign policy go out the window?" It's a little vague,

[14:34] but um, John, >> well, you remember you remember the old saying that foreign policy differences end at the shore, and they don't end at the shore anymore. And I'll tell you who changed that was N. Gingrich in 199 1995 when when he came out and just eviscerated uh the Clinton administration on on everything. It was on on everything that they stood for. He fought them over. And so I'm I'm

[15:05] wondering if uh if that's the norm now. I mean we've gone 30 years with these major changes in foreign policy. um and uh and these major differences in foreign policy and do we just have to accept it? >> It is a realignment, right? I mean, there's also a dramatic political realignment uh that followed. I mean, there's a lot of different things going on, right? I think it's a perfect storm. There's also >> uh in order to fill the gap sort of

[15:37] meanwhile, the Republican party has become what they used to call it more isolationist. Yeah. >> God bless them. I'm I'm all I'm all for it. Yeah, I am too. >> And uh you know, but I think the U I mean, if you go back to I I guess I would argue that US foreign policy has been inc basically aggressive for well over a hundred years, ever since Theodore Roosevelt. And um >> it's gotten more so all the time. And basically, Congress keeps abdicating their war powers, responsibility. I mean, just the fact that like, you know,

[16:08] in one of the the back of one of my lists, uh, books, the anti-American manifesto, I put I published one of those lists of every US military intervention. I actually couldn't do them all because there were too many to like even in tiny type to put them all in there, but I put in a lot of them and yeah, we've only declared war five times. That tells you that we're not that that that the separation of powers isn't working and that we have an imperial presidency. >> Absolutely true. >> And they get in there. I think, you know, I think what happens with presidents also is that they love to do

[16:40] foreign policy and start wars and stuff. It makes them feel important. Uh it's the one thing that they can really control. Like a president can say, "John Kuryaku, you go out to, you know, Syria and you do this and you can have this resource and you get it and you don't have he doesn't have to ask permission from anyone." But like nothing domestic is like that. >> Yeah. Nothing domestic is like that. You're exactly right. There were a couple of other things too, Ted, that that I heard today. Um, and it's funny, I heard them like not as major

[17:11] announcement announcements, but just as a sides. The one was the major non-NATO ally status, but the other one was what the Russians really really want is a land bridge through Crimea. >> Mhm. >> Right. Okay. That's that's actually a big ask and uh and it's an important ask. So why are we not talking about it? Why are none of the networks talking about it? That this may be the lynch pin to an agreement as a land bridge. >> I don't think the networks, aside from being biased, I'm not sure they really

[17:43] even understand >> understand. And you know what? It's funny. They have like the former US ambassador to Ukraine. They have Ron McCall, the former US ambassador to Russia. They had John Bolton, who's been on every network today. Well, he hasn't been on Fox because they hate him, but he's been on all the other networks. Um, and nobody is making the analogy with the land bridge that connected West Germany with West Berlin. It's been done before. >> It's doable and they're not talking about it. >> And there's lots of precedents in

[18:13] history, right? Germany wanted to have a land bridge to the city of Danzig that was separated by from from Poland. Um, you know, I mean, when uh Pakistan became independent, East Pakistan was separated by hundreds of miles from Pakistan proper. Yeah. That didn't work out. Now, when we theorized about a Palestinian state, you know, that we have to have a lands bridge between Gaza and um and and the West Bank, I mean, you have you're going to have to. It doesn't make any sense. Um

[18:43] >> you're going to have to >> It's as simple as that. It's as simple as that. See, again, now, forgive me. I'm in a little bit of a bad mood today. I'm not feeling very well. >> I'm sorry. >> No, thank you. It's I got my last uh blood transfusion and I'm supposed to be feeling great and I feel terrible. But anyway, um if this were any other time, if this were any other administration, we would go on to whatever our preferred news network happened to be and we would see charts and graphs. This is what they

[19:16] want. This is what the counter offer is, right? This is what's being discussed today. >> Uh this is >> and this is why each side wants what they want. >> Exactly. >> We're getting none of it. All we're getting >> there's no analysis. >> No, there's no analysis at all. We're getting these biased talking heads going everywhere and saying this is a terrible deal. Like for example, when I when I turned on MSNBC midday today, all they wanted to talk about was how just the

[19:47] act of meeting Putin and when Trump put his hand on top of Putin's hand that weakened America. They said, >> "I felt America get a little weaker that second. Like my cat shuddered at that exact moment." >> The clouds clouds covered the sun. They shook hands and then Trump went like this with his hand on top of Putin's. It weakened America. >> Voldemort got a little stronger at that moment. >> Oh my god. I I know. It's so stupid.

[20:19] It's it's it's literally akin to the to the logic that a uh that a gay marriage weakened traditional marriage. Like >> Exactly. >> Two dudes down the street being married that that messes up your marriage, >> right? No, divorce weakens marriage. Divorces Not gays. >> No, that's true. Oh my god. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so there's no analysis. There's there's nobody that's, you know, giving a a considered position uh any any insight into what this may mean a week from now or a month from now. I'll

[20:50] say my own analysis is, and I'm not saying this for for selfish reasons. I'm saying it because I I believe it. I'm impressed by Donald Trump's flexibility. I really am. Well, I'm impressed that he's willing to talk, that he's been willing to come back to it even after being disappointed and maybe perhaps disgusted uh by what he thought was entransigence on both sides. Um, you know, and of course I think we should take note of the fact that we had this

[21:23] this was a doover this this meeting with Zilinski. Same room, same gold chair, >> same camera angles, >> same c same dude, right? Same same. But this time, Silinski comes proper, much better dressed, you know, brought his he wore a >> suit like thing. Not really a >> It was a Regis Philin suit is what it was, >> right? Or like a >> black pants, black jacket, black shirt, black tie. >> Yeah, I kind of like that look personally. Yeah, I I it's it's a little

[21:55] bit odds, but uh I I actually like it. >> Although Although for a small man like him, it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's better for a tall guy like me because it slims me down. Yeah. >> Um but whatever. It worked. He looked great. >> Um he looked a lot better than usual. There was even a comment about it and a joke about it. There were laughs all around, smiles all around. JD, who clearly can't stand Zalinski or the Ukrainian cause, he he he zipped it. He had nothing to say. And so

[22:26] his silence was super loud. Um, so it was all it was all loves and love and kisses. The Euros were supposedly providing backup, but that doesn't make any sense. Um, and anyway, but even their presence, you know, kind of like helps bring get it done. I mean, I'm really optimistic. I think there's going to be a uh, you know, I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think there's going to be a trilateral meeting between uh, Trump, Zilinsky, and Putin later this week, just the way Trump wants. >> It's going to have to be. That's right.

[22:58] >> And I think they're going to bang it out. >> Yep. Yep. Without >> All right. So, here, let's let's get to brass tax, John. Um, so Russia's going to sort of say we won because, you know, they Ukraine didn't join NATO. They didn't join NATO. They just got all the benefits of being in NATO. >> Um, >> which is good enough for them. >> If that's good enough for them, that's good enough for me. Um, then they keep they keep Crimea. It's recognized as annexed. Now, here's the question. The Dawnboss, which I've always argued they

[23:30] shouldn't have wanted in the first place because it only gave them trouble. >> But, right, >> but like they had it. Okay, I understand no one wants Personally, if I were Lincoln, I would have let the Confederacy go. That's my mentality. Um, but he's they they they it's going to be is that going to be a dotted line where Ukraine formerly believes that that's their their formal status is that's part of Ukraine. We never admit that it's gone. It's like Kurdistan or is it a is it is it a is it a a frozen conflict like a line of control between India and

[24:01] Pakistan or is it >> truly recognized on as an international border by the West as part of Russia? I think it's one of these situations, Ted, where where it all remains to be seen. I'm not even sure the administration knows exactly what it wants to do here. It's waiting to see how much success it might have by the end of the week because, as you said, it looks like we're coming up on a trilateral meeting, US, Russia, Ukraine,

[24:31] that could be held as soon as Friday. Uh Trump made a major concession to the Russians this morning when he said that peace talks do not have to come after a ceasefire. >> He doesn't want a ceasefire. He views it as a waste of time. >> And he said that the Russians and Ukrainians can beat the hell out of each other while we talk about a settlement. That's a new position. >> He never said that before. >> You know, I'm you know, it's funny. I don't disagree with President Trump on this. Um, you know, you and I have seen

[25:02] millions of ceasefires in our lives and they're very problematic. I mean, basically, it's always like someone always breaks it and it's always it you end up with a ton of squabbbling. He broke it. No, they broke it. And and it's like it's like dealing with unruly kids in the backseat of the station wagon. And in the end and and while you're hashing out that crap, you're not getting down to brass tax and and and actually trying to solve, as Putin would say, the root causes of the conflict. >> That's right. I think that's exactly it.

[25:34] I think that's exactly it. >> So, what concessions does Ukraine get? Well, obviously they're getting the they're going to get that NATO protection, which is what they wanted all along. >> Yes, it is. And nobody has said anything yet, but I think they also get fasttrack membership into the European Union, which is going to change everything. Remember, Ukraine has Ukraine has probably more wheat than any country on Earth but the United States and Russia. And so much of that wheat goes to Europe and Africa, Western

[26:05] Europe and Africa. They can sell their wheat unencumbered. They can sell their natural gas unencumbered. They have trillions of dollars worth of rare earth metals. they can sell it, you know, to the United States. And um economically, this is going to be a very big deal for Ukraine. I don't think the Russians care if Ukraine is in the European Union. >> Since we are returning to 20th century type Yalta style negotiations, could could there be reparations? Um you know, for example, might Russia be asked to uh you know, pay Ukraine for damage to

[26:38] property? Might Russia ask the United States for compensation for Nordstrom, too? Nordstream, too. >> You know, I wouldn't be uh surprised, but I wouldn't be surprised also if the Russians just told them there won't be any reparations. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just like the Germans told the Greeks, "Yeah, no reparations. We're we're broke. The Allies bombed us into dust. No reparations." And here we are 70 Is it 70? It's 80 years now after the the war. And the Greeks are like, "Where

[27:09] are reparations? You You Germans still haven't paid us. We want our money. >> I I like I like the Greek style. I like I like I like that museum they built for the Elgen marbles, too. >> Yes. >> It's a very nice museum. >> World class museum. >> Beautiful museum. The Brits really can't argue that the Greeks are too unruly to take care of their stuff anymore. >> Oh, that's what they used to argue. >> Yes. >> It's like uh the uncivilized Greeks. That's a hilarious oxymoron. Um but uh okay so let's uh we don't we're we're

[27:41] let's see we're let's talk about Oh well you mentioned MSNBC this might be a good time to talk about that do a little media stuff. So MSNBC split off from NBC proper. >> So as part of that deal um the corporate the corporate entity that now is going to be running MSNBC or NBC has asked that MS not take its NBC with it. So, it's just going to be MS now. >> Um, so my for people who are >> young, uh, this was a partnership

[28:13] between Microsoft and NBC years and years ago. It stopped being that. Microsoft dropped out years and years >> years ago. >> It's a legacy thing. It's just like Microsoft's like whatever. You can It's sort of like uh the city bike rental system here in New York. >> City bike hasn't had anything to do with it in years. It's run by Lyft now >> inexplicably. Yes. >> But it's just a legacy thing. So, all right. Well, they're also talking about pivoting to the right, right? They want to become a more centrist uh network.

[28:43] >> Maybe. Maybe. >> That's what they say. Maybe >> the the Daily Beast >> You and I both know the history of this. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. It doesn't work. The Daily Beast has the the most interesting take on this. Um and the Daily Beast, they were kind of dicks about about it. the way the they wrote about it. They said that that NBC >> um sent around an email like to to every journalist in the world who covers media and said that MSNBC is going to change the name. It's going to drop the the NBC

[29:14] to split it off. Um, and it's going to be MS Now, but you are not allowed to call it MS Now in the articles that you write until you first call it the My Source News Opinion World Network and then you can say that my source news opinion world stands for MS Now and you it's it says um they may say this only if they include a space in the middle of the acronym MS space Now, it

[29:46] is unclear if the name is supposed to be written in bold type face as well as Trump style all caps, but the CEO of the new parent company, Versent, Mark Lazarus, used the same bold and all caps formulation in a memo that he sent to staff, which was then sent to the Daily Beast. And a spokesman declined to comment on whether you could call it MS now, but M period, S period, capital N, little O, little W. So, people are having a little bit of fun. >> Miz now. >> Miz now. It's a stupid name. The MS

[30:20] doesn't make any sense. >> No. >> Um, nobody cares really what it stands for. You can just keep it MSNBC and nobody still is going to care. Um, the the brass say it's going to try to move to the center. Um, Rachel Matto said, "Oh, no, it's not. They're not they're apparently not changing any of the talent. It's all the same." unwatchable shows that it is now. >> So I I don't know what the what the point is.

[30:50] >> Yeah. Thank you, Nanzene. Nonzi's right. You see that? >> And so is Tusk. It could be multiple sclerosis now. It could be more [ __ ] now. Yes. I like that. >> Multiple sclerosis. Those are correct. >> I feel like that's cruel to multiple sclerosis. What did multiple sclerosis do to deserve that? >> That's right. We we shouldn't uh >> Yes. You're right. >> But I mean, so okay, so first of all, just Yeah, let's let's just first of all, it is a centrist >> corporist network as it is.

[31:21] >> It is. >> But but there's no but I know what they mean. And you know, look, MSNBC has they've been down this road before. They started out as a centrist as a centerright network. Then they went center. Then they became what they are today, a de a democ well slightly more dem uh to the left of the Democratic party back when Phil Donahghue was on. >> Then they they got rid of people like him and uh Ed Schultz and people like

[31:51] that. Um and then they moved >> and Brian Becker and Jesse Ventura. >> Correct. And then they ended up uh as a basically um what we know between now and then. And it's just been basically been MSDNC ever since. And I mean, look, they're not doing great in the in the ratings now, but they were doing worse before >> when they were going with for the for the corpor high corporatist >> approach. So, they've got to look back and just know that's not going to work. >> I mean, that's CNN is dying over the in

[32:21] that in that same space. That's a lane you don't want to be swimming in. >> Dying. And I'll tell you, Ted, when I woke up this morning and I read this in the New York Times and then I went around and looked at it uh at different accounts of it, I thought there's literally nothing in this announcement that is going to make me want to watch MSNBC. Nothing. >> No. >> Talk about corporatist. You might as well call it MSDNC, which is what a lot of people do call it. >> It is so [ __ ] boring. I mean, whatever you think of Fox, and look, I

[32:53] don't share their politics. It's entertaining, you know, and and like they get that. And that's why, you know, you're running content for 24 hours a day and you want people to stick around, you better be entertaining. Um, and I don't think there's anything wrong with being entertaining uh at all. It's I'm not against that. Not like, you know, here's your oatmeal, take your medicine, whatever, eat your spinach. Uh, it's it's just it's uh I don't know. I I think I don't know. Is it too early to say it's the beginning of the end for MS now or is it Ted because they're going

[33:24] in a bad way? >> Well, NBC won't even allow them to use the Peacock logo anymore. And I think that's actually kind of a big deal. They said that they wanted to keep the Peacock and uh NBC said, "Well, no, because the Peacock has been associated with NBC for the last hundred years. So, you guys are going to have to come up with your own uh your own logo." And it's funny, another thing is that that they MS now is becoming a part of this new company being spun off called

[33:55] Versent Vers N. That's going to include CNBC, which all right makes sense. But it's going to include the Golf Channel, some network I never heard of called Sports Engine, and own the Oprah Winfrey network. >> Oh man, it's a What's that? >> It's a box of misfit toys. >> That's exactly what it And that makes me think that that they're preparing the public for these networks just to go away eventually.

[34:25] >> The Oprah Winfrey Network. Oh my god. >> Um, yeah. >> You know, let me add something about Phil Donahghue. Rebellious Rainbow Unicorn says, "I was too young to realize how progressive Phil Donahghue was." I'll tell you something about Phil Donahghue. I always knew he was kind of a kind of a good uh you know a good lefty, but I never paid much attention. And then when I got out of prison, I got a call from Mark Ash at the uh Real uh what was it called? Reader Supported

[34:56] News. Reader supported News Network. And he said, "Hey, do you want to write a column for Reader Supported News?" I said, "Yeah, I really need the money." He said, "What's the Washington Post pay you?" And I said, "Well, I've only written two for the Post, but they give me $400." and he said, "Um, okay, I'll give you $400," which is a lot of money. Was a lot of money for an op-ed in 2015. And he paid me $400 per oped per week, right, for the next for the

[35:27] next nine years. And he told me finally after seven of those years that he actually wasn't paying me. Phil Donahghue was paying me. >> Oh, wow. >> That Phil Donaf Phil Donahghue felt bad that I was broke and I'd been imprisoned and my wife ran off and and it was just this big, >> you know, [ __ ] storm that fell on my head. And so, Phil Donahghue put up 1600 bucks a month to make sure that I didn't end up

[35:59] sleeping in my car. That's what a good guy he was. >> I have a personal Phil Donahghue story. So, Bill Donahghue started his career in Dayton where I grew up >> in Dayton. >> He started in Dayton. Um, I didn't know that. WHIO TV and uh that's so it was a local talk show. It's the first place I've ever been on TV. I was 10 or 11 years old. Uh I don't remember I don't remember the context at all. Uh but you know, he was he was super interesting then. It was at the end of the Vietnam

[36:30] War. He was an unabashed liberal from day one. Uh in the old school, you know, not the way liberals are kind of rancid and at and war mockery and uh he uh although obviously uh you know Tom Ler kind of understood about liberals but um but but still uh you know he was great. Anyway, um after that incident, one day um my mom and I are sit at home and there's a knock on the back door and who's at our back door but Phil Donahghue. He's just had a He had a car

[37:02] accident on Far Hills Avenue in Ketaring near our house. >> I I know Ketaring >> and he needed to use the phone. There's there's no cell phones. He's like, you know, I need to call someone. So, my mom went out on a couple of dates with him. Um it didn't work out. Uh and he ended up with Marlo Thomas. And uh I was like I was like, "Mom, I mean mom was was hot. My mom was hot and she was definitely hot enough to go out with Phil Donahghue. Uh but you know obviously uh she wasn't she wasn't that girl and uh you know so that that's it's

[37:34] just a funny but he he seemed like a very nice gentleman. >> Yeah. What a what a gentleman he was. Yeah. And and he stood up against the Iraq war too. He he could have he could have moderated his public position and you know saved his show or whatever and he didn't. No, he knew it was corporate stupid [ __ ] from the very beginning and just c and just said it. >> Yes. >> He just he gave no shits. >> That's right. >> And probably he didn't think I mean that was really interesting, right? Because

[38:05] that was a period when um up until I would say the 2000s, if you had the ratings on American television or radio, you could say anything you wanted and be anything you wanted. You could have hammers and sickles or swastikas or anything you wanted. Didn't matter if you had the ratings. Um, >> look at the Morton Downey show. >> That changed though. And uh, you know what happened with uh with Phil? I guess that was >> 03 or 04. >> He was he was you know I mean that was

[38:36] he had the ratings and that was it kind of blew my mind. And then uh Bill Maher kind of got pushed out at ABC, but he didn't really have great ratings when he went when I was on when I was on talk radio in LA. I got fired in I guess it was 02 and it was when my station was taken over by Clear Channel Communications. I had the ratings. I had the best ratings in the 26 year history of the station for that time slot and better than like better time slots. So I

[39:06] thought I was really safe. My my station manager said, "You're fine. you've got the ratings, you're doing great. Um, I was subbing in for uh, you know, Morning Drive all the time and they they uh, but then Clear Channel came along and they said talk radio is inherently right-wing, >> so all liberals go. And I just I got the act, you know, my my station manager, David G. Hall at the time, he said, "Don't worry, you know, you'll you're going to land on your feet. You're going to be get so many job offers." But the industry was changing and radio was

[39:38] starting to get disrupted by the internet and you know obviously the country was moving far further to the right not not really the country but the leadership class the elites and yeah it's it's really interesting. >> Wow man that is interesting >> you know that's that would explain then why air uh fell apart on SiriusXM radio. That's where Rachel Matto got her start and and everybody that listened to Air America went because Bobby Kennedy Jr. was on Air America with his own show and

[40:08] he was quite progressive at the time until he wasn't. >> Well, I I did a lot of fill in on Air America and uh in fact I I used to co-host with Rachel in the morning whenever her her uh her co-host was out. So I I knew all about it. Um Air America was very poorly run. It was run by this kind of insane man. Um who basically his whole idea was that it's all that basically um it was about comedians, not about serious analysis. So that's what

[40:39] he hired, right? He had Jean uh Janine Goff. She was on Yeah. >> who was adorable before she put on too many tattoos. Um and uh you know there was it's like and and she Al Franken was the flagship of the show. um who I love Al, but frankly he was a terrible host. Um and uh there were and then there were some of the lesser but basically the the most talented ones were not being promoted the most. And then you know Rachel was the one who you could tell she she could see what's going on and

[41:11] she was looking for something better. Um she was far much much more to the left back then. Unabashedly progressive. I mean you know >> she's definitely not now. When my dad when my when my son asked me what is a sellout one time when he heard me use the word I literally told him the story of Rachel Maddau. I was like that's what a that's what a sellout is. >> Yeah. Yeah. What a shame. And she is a sellout. >> She could have had class. She could have been a contender as a certain movie

[41:42] said. All right. So you wanted to talk about uh oh we should also before we uh move while we're in the media space. >> John, what do you think about this uh Newsmax settlement? Newsmax agreed to pay three trenches totaling 67 million bucks uh over basically saying that Dominion's voting machines were uh fixed. There was no evidence whatsoever that they were. Um basically Newsmax and right-wing media and Fox Fox already had to pay out over this. Um has had to pay out for smearing Newsmax uh sorry

[42:14] smearing Dominion uh for saying that and uh you know rightly so I think. Um, but it seems like a steep Newsmax isn't that big that they can afford $67 million, are they? >> Ted, no, they're not. Ted, have you been to the Newsmax Studios here in Washington? >> No, >> they're in they're in the Hall of States building at 444 North Capitol Street or 444. What is that? Yeah, North Capitol Street. So NBC and MSNBC are on the ground floor. Fox is on the fifth floor. Uh PBS and Democracy Now are on the

[42:46] sixth floor. Newsmax is in the basement and it's lit it's literally a one room studio. It's a nice studio. Artiz was nicer, but it's it's small. There's a little green room. There's a little teeny weeny um makeup room. >> Was really nice. >> RT was was first class. They were in an A-list building. It was really nice. And it had the hottest ladies I've ever seen in my life walking around there. I was

[43:17] like, "What the hell?" >> I just don't understand where they're going to get this money unless they get it from Chris um what's his name? Christopher uh the the owner the owner of Newsmax. I forget his name. Christopher Ruddy. Christopher Ruddy's a billionaire who lives in um in Palm Beach, very near Mara Lago. He's close friends with Donald Trump. He's got plenty of money in his own pockets, >> but the LLC that is Newsbacks, I don't

[43:48] know where they're going to get. >> Yeah, they're going to they're going to need an angel, right? Because I mean, otherwise, this is going to be a Gawker level extinction event. All right, let me read an ad while we talk about that. Set your clocks, mark your calendars, and buckle up for the best NFL prime time football action. Starting September 4th on Westwood One, you can catch all the bone crushing hits last second hero heroics and edge of your seat action that NFL Thursday, Sunday, and Monday nights have to offer. Whether you're tailgating, driving, or chilling at home, don't miss a single snap. Listen on the NFL app, the Westwood One Sports app, or Westwoodports.com,

[44:19] or just say, "Alexa, open Westwood One Sports." If it's the NFL, it's on Westwood One. >> Okay. So, >> yeah, I'll do I'll do that. >> All right. I'm not a football guy, but I those who are should do that. >> Um, West. So, so yeah. So, I mean, Newsmax might be toast, right? >> Newsmax is gonna have some problems. Okay. >> Yeah, they're going to have some problems. Listen, they're very nice down there. I've been on Newsmax three or four times. They're always lovely people, very nice. I enjoy their company. Their politics are nutty.

[44:51] They're told what to say, and they are far to the right of Fox News. far to the right. They're not as far as O, the One America Network. They're just >> nuts there. But they also have fewer viewers than Al Jazzer America had when they went uh kaput. >> So O's not a a factor or player. >> John, we've got a question from the Rumble feed uh from uh deprogram show feed a fan, sorry. um what whatever the

[45:24] outcome of Russia Ukraine, there's going to be ethnic cleansing in the disputed territories, right? >> I would uh I would think so. Yeah. The Russians say that those disputed territories are Russian. People there are ethnically Russian. They speak Russian at home. The schools teach in Russian, so they're Russians. That's not entirely true. >> Not all. >> No. No. My best friend from college, his wife is from the Donbass. She's ethnically Russian. She speaks Russian, but by God, she considers herself to be 100% Ukrainian.

[45:56] And so what? They're just going to they're going to throw everybody out, which of course is ethnic cleansing. My guess is yes, that's that's what they intend to do. >> So it'll probably be like maybe not like murders or like Gaza style at all, but probably more like like what we saw in um Negorno Carabach. >> I I don't think so. Yeah. >> Like an expulsion like, you know, just for you to leave. >> Yes. I think that's what we're going to see.

[46:26] >> Yeah. >> Um so, all right. Well, that I mean that and of course obviously violence usually uh comes along with stuff like that uh for because there's always stubborn people who don't want to leave. Understandably, it's >> that's right >> their house. >> Uh no neck no neck Nick says, "Hey, I'm the man with multiple chins." Uh says, "John and Ted should have a show on Fox. Two regular lefties on a right-wing network helps the right view issues from another point of view. I couldn't agree more. >> I'm loving that idea. >> I would go on I would go work for Fox in

[46:56] a second. >> I I can go I can go put on a suit right now. >> Me, too. >> That's what I Yeah, seriously. >> Although I'm a little fat. I better I better get like a new suit. >> I've lost another seven pounds in the last two weeks. >> Well, that's not you. Yeah, but I don't recommend your diet plan. >> No, you you saw what I ate this weekend. Yeah, I I I definitely did. I hope I mean, you just got another few weeks. It's going to be rough, but All right. So, John, you're muted, FYI. Uh I hope you know that. You're muted. There you

[47:27] go. >> Um >> Okay. Yeah. Whatever. Okay. We're We're back. All right. So, let's see. Um Okay. So, Trump doesn't want us to vote by mail and he doesn't want us to vote by machines. John, how does he want us to vote? Does he want us to vote at all >> if it's for him? And I'll tell you, I I'm worried about that. Yeah. You and I discussed this over the weekend. Um he's like seriously telling people he's

[47:57] considering a third term. Uh Steve Bannon said last week Trump will run for a third term. He can't run for a third term. Now, today I heard on on I I can't remember whether it was MSNBC or or CNN that uh Republicans are talking about repealing the what was it, Ted? The 22nd amendment. The 24th amendment. 22nd amendment. >> Yeah, I think it's I want to say 20 >> I think 24, right? I think I'm not sure. >> 24th that limits presidents to two

[48:29] elected terms. Um that's not going to be possible. They only said that because most Americans don't know how constitutional amendments are passed, right? You have to have twothirds of the House, >> twothirds of the Senate, then the president signs it, then it goes to the states, >> and then you have to get three quarters >> of all the states >> to pass it in their legislatures by twothirds and twothirds.

[49:00] >> Correct. in five years, >> right? Which is why the E is not >> not gonna happen. Yeah. >> Not gonna happen. >> Yeah. And not to mention anyway elections I think we can dispose of this with the following statement. Uh the the uh elections are managed by the states, not by the federal government. Period. Full stop. So I don't think there's any Trump can say whatever he wants. He doesn't get to do anything about this. Um all right. So this is uh I thought a weird story. Um, you know, following the uh brief 12-day war between Israel and

[49:33] Iran, um, Iran clearly had a major espionage problem, as you and I have talked about, a lot of people were recruited online, uh, like for really small amounts of money to sabotage, uh, you know, on behalf of the Israelis. Um, now the the Iranians appear to be in a full-fledged purge mode where they've rounded up 20,000 people as possible spies for Israel. Um, is that >> 20,000 people? >> It's not possible that they're all

[50:03] guilty, right? >> No. No. Is this a Is this just a basically like a ICE style roundup? You just grab everyone you can and let God sort them out later. >> Yeah. The Iranian press reported today that most of these people are ethnic Afghans. >> They're Afghan reg refugees. what the what the Iranians are accusing the Israelis of having done was to target um undocumented Afghan refugees in Iran only because over the last two years the

[50:34] Iranians have been expelling them back to Afghanistan. And so there's the Israelis are saying what loyalty should you have to the Iranians? They don't want you. They don't like you. They're trying to give you back to the Taliban. You should work for us. We'll give you a $100 a month if you work for us. And all we want you to do is tell us where you're seeing Iranian troop movements, where the Iranian nuclear scientists live, uh, you know, what are the addresses of the

[51:06] electrical company and the water company headquarters. And so, uh, I mean, that's cheap intelligence. >> I mean, you know, and you can sort of see like you and I know Afghans. I mean, you know, Afghans aren't for sale, but they're definitely for rent. >> For rent. Exactly. And you can always, you know, and and that's how that's kind of like cultural and they're kind of used to it because of all the occupiers that have been passing through to and fro forever. >> Yes. >> And but they but I mean I I will say

[51:37] >> um to my Afghan listeners that were considering to do this, like come on, this is the Iranians provided you hospitality. You know that that's everything. I mean, they provided generous hospitality for you guys. Not everyone wants you, you know. It's not it's no way to repay them. >> Ted RT is reporting right now several things that I think are important. >> Cool. >> Um Trump interrupted his meeting with European leaders just just now to call Putin.

[52:11] We don't know what the call was about. Trump said, "In a week or two, we'll know whether this can be solved." And then he said, um, I'm sorry. Then the Financial Times reported that Ukraine just announced 11 minutes ago that it will buy $100 billion dollar of US weapons. it will buy them.

[52:42] The purchase will be financed by the European Union and in exchange, the United States will promise to defend Ukraine against Russia. I'm not even sure I understand what that means. >> Well, it sounds this is a typical Trump type deal, right? I mean where basically he's saying we will defend you but you have you have to pay us for the privilege. >> Yeah. You have to pay us. >> Yeah. >> But the thing is is how do we defend

[53:14] Ukraine in a way that is not a violation of the NATO charter and invite Russian response? >> What do you mean by that? >> Well, the United States is a member of NATO. If the United States goes to to protect Ukraine, there's a Russian attack. The United States attacks Russia. Russia retaliates. It has to retaliate by attacking the United States. >> But the NATO charter says an attack on one. It is an attack on all. And then

[53:44] all of a sudden >> NATO's at war with Russia. >> Yeah. I mean, we come full circle, right? I mean, this is, you know, what I was saying before. Putin was right to demand that Ukraine not join NATO. >> Yeah. and and and like calling it, you know, dressing it up and calling it something else, you know, article five like protections is just sophistry and and it's not going to work. >> Hey, uh Star Lion is is reminding us to talk about uh about this Israeli the the

[54:16] head of Israeli cyber defense in the United States was arrested in Las Vegas uh Saturday and charged with multiple counts of child pornography. He was immediately allowed to leave and he got on a plane and flew back to Israel. Why? Because Israel does not extradite Jews. >> Yeah. His name is Tom Artium Alexandrovich. He's a senior cyber security official >> who was basically ins snared in an undercover sting operation by the local

[54:48] cops targeting child sex predators. So he sounds like he's accused of being a lovely fellow. Yeah. Um, and what about the victims? I mean, presumably these victims are American children. >> By the way, um, thank you so much to Pedro Louise Taff on the Rumble Feed for gifting a membership >> to um, NPC3PO. >> Thank you for that. And to Tusk PC, is it possible that the CIA mathematics

[55:19] department created Bitcoin? Yeah, it's possible. I' I've heard that a couple the mysterious Japanese uh professor. >> I I actually do think it's the mysterious Japanese professor and and I think that's why the American government has scrambled since the creation of Bitcoin to make sure that they force Americans to admit whether they have bought or sold Bitcoin at tax time because they really are panicking that they can't track it all. But I I could see the CIA being in some way involved with Bitcoin. Sure.

[55:52] >> Yeah. Like the CIA often has to create. I mean, I thought it was fascinating. >> It's not Thoria, right? What's the satellite phone company that the CIA bought >> because it was in trouble? >> The the Gutteries um made Thoria phone. The CIA bought Intel Sat. >> Yeah, there was a different It's a different name. Um >> Oh, you sure? >> Yeah, I'm sure. And it's like Yeah. And there were It was going to go out of business. It was an unprofitable company, but the CIA needed those the Yeah, it's going to come to me. I I know

[56:23] because I had to rent that those phones when I went to Afghanistan. They were big. >> I had a Thoria phone when I went to Afghanistan. >> Well, those are good. They're better. >> I liked it. >> Yeah. Smaller. Um Well, while we're figuring that out, it'll come. It'll come. Um Jonathan Pard, there's a name we haven't heard for a while. So, uh, maybe we'll wrap it up with him. Uh, so, yeah, we'll get into the Israel news, right? So, basically, the Israelis

[56:53] are are never been less popular. And this isn't going to help. Jonathan Pard, maybe you should explain who Jonathan Pard was. >> Jonathan Pard was a traitor. Jonathan Pard was a US Navy intelligence officer who in 1985 was arrested and charged with espionage for giving um top secret top secret NSA and DoD documents to Israel. As if that wasn't bad enough,

[57:25] these documents were all about Soviet military movements, and the Israelis gave them to the Soviet Union in exchange for the Soviets releasing a handful of Russian Jews to Israel. Pard was caught, he was convicted, and he was sentenced to 30 years in prison, which was the maximum for what he had been charged for. Um, literally every single time an Israeli leader came to the United States, he

[57:56] would ask the president from Ronald Reagan to Joe Biden to release Pard to Israel. Um, Bill Clinton almost did it and and George Tennant said, "If you do it, I'm going to resign and the entire leadership of the CIA is going to resign." and we're going to go public and say why we resigned. And so Clinton changed his mind. Finally, when Pard did the entire 30 years, he was released.

[58:28] The Israeli government sent a plane to the United States. The plane picked him up and carried him back to Israel where there there was a parade for him. They named the street after him. >> He was a hero. >> Big hero. Big hero. >> Well, now he's running for parliament. >> And will he be elected? Will he make it to the Knesset? He doesn't even know what party he's going to be in. >> Because he's not a member of a party. I'm going to say no. He's not going to make it because there are very very few independents that are able that are able

[58:58] to win. You have to win a certain percentage. It's like 3% or I think it's 3%. And and na of the national vote and it's going to be tough for him. But if he if he's picked up by one of the by one of the Zionist uh parties or one of the Russian parties, yeah, he could he'll probably end up in in uh in the Knesset. Makes me sick to my stomach. >> I'm just I was just going to ask you how this makes you feel. Um and I guess we could just talk we have two quick quick things. Democrats are back in Texas

[59:28] >> and it looks like basically all the a bunch of states both Republican and Democratic are just going to do play redistricting games. Um and um and basically they're going to try to see how far ahead they can get. >> Is this going to become like the new normal? Like year after year we're constantly going to be redistricting and this is how we're going to play out our elections with the voters is a sideshow. >> I I suspect it is. I I think this is this is the state of our politics now where it's all about politics. It's not at all about policy. And so

[1:00:00] >> thank you Fasmatas. Yes. Iridium. That's the phone company. >> Iridium. I remember them. Um, so I think that Texas is going to is going to wipe out five Democratic House seats. California is going to wipe out five Republican House seats. Uh, I think Ohio is going to wipe out one or two Dems and New York's going to wipe out a Republican. Uh, probably I uh I I'm sorry, Illinois is going to wipe out two or three Republicans. Maybe Nebraska's

[1:00:32] gonna try to wipe out that one Democratic seat in Omaha. So, yeah, I think this is the new normal. And may I ask answer one question? I know we're totally out of time. >> Sure. Sure. >> Did we hear about the Putin poop suitcase to bring his poop back to Russia from the Alaska meeting? >> That is actually not uncommon. >> What? >> That is not That is not at all uncommon. Many leaders who come to the United States collect their own feces to take back and dispose of in their own toilets because there are entities within the US

[1:01:04] government that will gladly happily collect that poop >> for the for the DNA >> for the DNA and the health information. >> Wow. So, some poor slob at the uh hotel has to uh scoop it out of the toilet, I assume. >> Yeah, but the poor slob at the hotel is really a CIA officer undercover as a hotel employee. >> It's like the good news is you've got a job at the CIA. The bad news is this is

[1:01:36] your job at the CIA. >> Um, yeah. Would you have taken that job, John, or would you have resigned? No, I'd say no. You got to draw the line somewhere. You have to have some self-respect. >> Listen, I there are a lot of things that I did for my country, and that's that's not one of them. >> Uh, thank you. >> Last not least, quickly, Paris is preparing for 50° C, 122° Fahrenheit uh temperatures. I mean I you know when it was Lutess when it was a Roman city uh

[1:02:07] Paris was an assignment um that was a low a low prestige assignment because the weather kind of sucks in Paris. People don't really realize that uh or they don't think about it a lot but it never sucked like this. Europe is uh really going to be suffering major climate change issues in the very near future. Um and it seems like they're I mean I guess they're at least they're preparing for it in a way that we're not. >> Um I don't know. Any thoughts? >> No, I think this is I think you're exactly right. Um, you know, it's funny

[1:02:38] to me, too, that Tulsi Gabbard came out and said that we're facing a climate disaster. And I wonder if she was the one who was chosen by the administration to begin bringing conservatives around. >> A lot of people are going to die. >> Well, that's true, right? Like bringing conservatives around, there's a lot That's something that I mean, I'm really glad you put it that way. RFK. When did when on earth did conservatives care about eating well and a good diet? When did that happen? Suddenly like, oh, and this make America healthy again. We were

[1:03:08] always like the health. No, you weren't. That's like a crunchy lefty thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. A crunchy lefty thing. It shouldn't be. on board. You know, >> you know, when I went to Alaska with Gary Johnson back in 2016, we went to see this glacier and you go to the visitors center and then they give you the little briefing and the glacier is like a quarter of a mile away. Well, the glacier used to go right up to the visitor center. That's why they put the visitor center there. You could reach out and touch the glacier from the from the observation deck. And somebody said,

[1:03:41] "Why would they put the visitor center so far away from the glacier?" Haha. Well, no, that's not that's not funny. That's not funny at all. This is exactly what we should be talking about. >> Always. All right. So, um I guess that's we're I think that's going to do it, guys. It's very exciting. We're here tomorrow, Tuesday, and Wednesday and Thursday and Friday. That's right. We're five days a week as promised starting now. So, please show the love, like,

[1:04:11] follow, and share the show. Um, really love doing this every day. I'm looking forward to hanging out with you every day, John. So, >> me too, Ted. >> Like, follow, and share. Those are the words of the day. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you tomorrow. [Music]
