Title: Useful Idiots
Show: Useful Idiots
Date: 2025-07-15
URL: https://youtu.be/1pxXzKfr28g
Duration: 21:00

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[00:00] Welcome back to the show, John Kuryaku. >> Good to see you again. >> You, too. It's always a pleasure. You're an amazing storyteller uh and guest. And uh we want to talk to you about Epstein. >> Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking, "We have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things." And are people still talking about this guy? this creep. That is unbelievable.

[00:31] Do you want to waste the time and do you feel like answering? >> I I don't mind answering. >> I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and and also tragedy with what happened in Texas. It just seems uh like a desecration. But you go ahead. >> How do you like that? >> Yeah. Big change from what he was saying before. >> We're going to get to the bottom of it. He's going to release all the documents, the He's going to release the videos and then you're still talking about this,

[01:01] >> right? Yeah. And he's hiding behind the tragedy in Texas. Um, so what are your thoughts? What what happened? I mean, I I did see that on both uh Pierce Morgan and on Fox News, you said that you feel material was probably destroyed. Can you elaborate on that and why that? >> Sure. at the CIA. Even though there are laws like the the Federal Records Act, which specifically says you cannot destroy documents, they destroy documents all the time. I

[01:32] mean MK Ultra even after even after Congress specifically told the director of central intelligence that he had to preserve the MK Ultra documents, he went back to headquarters and they destroyed 80% of the tens of thousands of pages of documents that they had on MK Ultra. So now, you know, we don't really know what is true and what's not true about MK Ultra because of of the cover up, >> right? Same same thing at the CIA with

[02:03] the torture videos. As soon as word leaked out that there were videos of Abu Zuba and Khalik Muhammad being tortured, Harriet Meyers, who was the White House counsel at the time in the in the George uh W. Bush presidency, Harriet Meyer specifically told Jose Rodriguez, the deputy director for operations at the CIA and Gina Haspel, "Don't destroy the tapes." And Gina Haspel put them in an industrial grinder and destroyed them.

[02:34] >> Right? >> So, you know, why would we think that the FBI would be any different, especially when it comes to allegations that some of the most powerful and some of the wealthiest men in the world are implicated in this scandal. Some of the most powerful politicians in the world may be implicated in this scandal, right? >> So, I could absolutely see the FBI destroying documents and we could speculate as to what the reason would be. It could be just cash on the barrelhead. >> You know, it may that may be it may be

[03:07] as simple as that. It may be that there's more to this so-called deep state than people think there is. So yeah, I I don't I don't trust that just like like this revelation like oh my goodness, it turns out there are no documents, there are no dossas, there are no videos except for child porn. Come on, man. Going back to the 1990s and you couldn't find anything. >> Yeah, it's pretty implausible.

[03:37] >> I don't buy it. >> Right. I mean, it it is just one of the latest examples of Trump and his administration uh promising to take things on, ranging from, you know, the deep state to draining the the swamp to uh the industrial military-industrial complex and then once they're in power, they don't. Or being uh America firsters and then saying ridiculous things about Israel. I mean, everyone from Cash Patel to Tammy Bruce making statements that are embarrassingly uh subordinate to Israel. So, I mean,

[04:10] does this is this just because Trump is really good at saying the right things? He I mean, I always I always think of him kind of like as a stand-up comedian. Uh he he knows how to work a crowd. He knows how to get a response from people. Um but then in terms of actual policy, he doesn't seem to to line up. >> I think that he's really not terribly interested in policy. I don't think he ever has been. And certainly we've had other presidents that weren't interested in policy, but yeah, I think that he says what happened whatever happens to be, you know, at at the top of his mind

[04:42] and um and whether he ends up contradicting himself later or not, he doesn't really care. I think that ideologically he's a Zionist and I think he's so much so that he's unwilling to bend. When I was serving in Bahrain, the Amir of Bahrain said something that has always stuck in my mind. He said, "The last American president to give the Arabs a fair shake was George HW Bush." >> Right? >> And every president since then has just

[05:14] been in the pay of the Israelis directly or indirectly. And the Arabs don't even pretend to think that they're going to get a fair shake, but we're seeing it in spades um in this administration. >> Yeah, I it's interesting you said that cuz I I think that Trump is and this is why I thought there was like a very small chance that he'd be better than Biden because I think that Trump maybe he's a Zionist, but I think his Zionism is a lot less strong, a lot weaker than u Biden's. Like who was more in

[05:44] generally I think Biden is more of an ideologue than Trump. I mean, I think Trump is pretty not, you know, ideological, much more opportunistic. >> Definitely a populist. Yep. >> Yeah. I mean, full of it, but I think just in general, you know, what the bottom line for him is real estate, uh, more than it is any any kind of ideology. But, um, as someone who was in the CIA, what did you observe about the relationship between the United States and Israel? Oh, more than any other relationship that we have with any other country in the world, the relationship

[06:16] is dictated on Capitol Hill. Not at the White House, but on Capitol Hill. I I was I I was on a podcast earlier today. We were talking about this exact issue. And I said I said when I when I went to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2009, I was the senior investigator there working for John Kerry. I had been in the job like a day or two days and these lobbyists came by. It was a parade of lobbyists, right? Every cause, every lobbyist comes

[06:47] through at one time or another, but this this was the first group of lobbyists. And they came to the office and they said, "Hey, congratulations. So great to have you on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. we're from Apac and we want to bring you on an all expenses paid trip to the Holy Land. I was like, "Oh, thank you. No, no, thank you." Oh, we we have a tour already laid out.

[07:18] We're going to take you to all the Christians Christian holy sites and you're going to see what a first world country we are and we are America's greatest ally and we're the only democracy in the Middle East. I was like, "No, thank you. Thank you." Well, there were there were a bunch of people who went. I didn't go. I I even was a little bit rude and I said, "Look, if I want to go to Israel, I'm going to pay for my own trip to Israel, but I I don't want you you guys to pay for a trip to Israel." And I didn't go, >> but others went. Well, it turns out they do this with literally every staff for

[07:52] every congressman, 435 of them in the House and a hundred of them in the Senate. That is money well spent. And then they contribute millions upon millions of dollars to um campaigns, congressional campaigns mostly. And man, if you look at Israel cockeyed, they'll primary you, >> right? And so they've gotten to the point or they've gotten us to the point where people are so afraid to say

[08:22] anything about Israel, anything, because if you say if if there's any criticism at all, no matter how mild, even if the criticism is of Benjamin Netanyahu as a politician, you're anti-Semitic. And then you've got to dig yourself out of that hole. >> Yeah. So most most elected officials, they they just don't want to deal with it, so they just go along. >> And what can you tell us about the relationship between Israeli and US intelligence?

[08:52] >> It is um not close on a uh on a personal level. Uh we never liked Mossad. They don't like us. Um the Israelis spy on the United States and uh they deny and deny and deny. In fact, I was on Pierce Morgan a couple of weeks ago debating oh my god Alan Dersowitz. I was with Scott Horton and we were we were debating Alan Dersowitz and uh Danny, what was his name? Yalon. He was the

[09:23] former head of Mossad general. And I said the Israeli spy on the United States. And he said no, no, no, that's not true. when the Americans caught uh uh Jonathan Pard in 1995, we stopped spying on the United States. And I said, "With all due respect, General, that's not true because I didn't start at the CIA until 1990." and the chief of security warned

[09:54] us that there were two uh Israeli intelligence officers assigned to the Israeli embassy in Washington and 187 undeclared Israeli intelligence officers spread all across the United States stealing American secrets after having penetrated our defense contractors. So, with all due respect, you're dissembling here the Israeli spy on the United States. What do you think of the way that uh Trump has gone from being America first to uh someone who is

[10:25] a pretty sickopantic to BB? Now, to be fair, it's a kind of circle jerk uh where they both um really suck up to each other. And of course, you have uh Netanyahu, I mean, hilariously, uh nominating Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Nobel Peace Prize. >> Yeah. Uh what do you think of this? >> Well, circle jerk is the best way to say it, actually. I I won't get into the specifics of what a circle jerk is. People can Google it. But >> when Trump dropped the fbomb, what was

[10:56] it, a week ago, two weeks ago, that was specifically meant for Netanyahu. >> Okay? >> Because Trump wanted his ceasefire between the Israelis and the Iranians. And Netanyahu was like, "Well, you know, maybe we're going to launch one more. Well, just one more barrage." And then he's like, you know, cut it the out or whatever it was. He said, >> "Yeah, >> they don't know what the they're doing." I think is what he said. That was specifically meant for Netanyahu because the Iranians only react. They don't they don't proactively attack

[11:26] Israel. >> Right. Despite the way the media covers it. >> Correct. And so that little there was just that little blip for a day and then it was all passed. I was driving um to Capitol Hill last night. You couldn't turn left on on 17th Street. you couldn't turn left on 15th Street. Pennsylvania Avenue was closed. I'm like, what the is going on here? Like, are they just going to shut down the city? I said, why is it like this? And the Uber driver said, BB's in town. Nobody's moving anywhere

[18:10] they start, you know, bombarding the Houthies. But the Houthies are so poor and they have so little. I mean, how many million dollar bombs are you going to spend to blow up $10,000 drones? Really, is it worth it? >> Um, when when the Israelis u implemented this operation against Hezbollah with the pagers, the pagers and the cell phones. >> My phone ran off rang off the hook with former agency friends like, "What do you

[18:40] think about this?" And I said, "Holy this is like on the one hand, it's a it's a crime against humanity or a war crime, depending on your your position." Clearly, innocent civilians, including children, were hurt or killed because these things just arbitrarily blew up. And, you know, we saw reports of people having taken their phones out of their pockets and they put it on the table so they could have dinner with their families and it blew up and killed the nine-year-old girl >> that it was next to. So yeah, war crime,

[19:11] but absolutely brilliant from an intelligence operations perspective. Imagine the moving parts that went into an operation like this where you've got to control literally everything from the point of manufacturing through the supply chain across half the globe and then into the hands of the consumer. Absolutely incredible. I don't know if we'll ever be able to figure out how

[19:42] they pulled this off, >> right? >> And then, you know, working with the Turks, who the Israelis either love or hate, depending on what day of the week it happens to be, they came to this agreement that if you help us screw Assad, we'll help you screw the Kurds. And the Turks said, "Sounds good to us." Next thing you know, the Assad family runs off to Moscow. Bashar comes back for a week, fills the plane with riches, and then he runs off to Moscow. >> Right. >> So, these the Israelis have been very

[20:12] busy, and they've been very successful at it. For better or for worse, >> for worse, I would say. Um, >> but, you know, it's interesting because you have some people who say, "Oh, that was not I mean, obviously there's there's a lot of people say it's technically technologically brilliant." But then you have people saying, "Oh, it was targeted. It wasn't targeted at all." as you just pointed out, it killed it. >> Wasn't targeted. >> Yeah. And um you know, Leon Petta, who's not exactly a peace, he said it was an act of terrorism. >> Yeah. I that that shocked me because I

[20:43] would have expected the likes of Leon Petta to say, you know, bravo Mossad. Oh my god, we should all aspire to do things like that. But even he said it was an act of terrorism, which it was, >> right? >> It was. So going back to uh Epstein, what is the relationship between Epstein and Israel? And what do we know about uh who was uh on the plane uh who engaged in, you know, basically sex crimes? >> And to hear the rest of the interview,

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