Title: Newly released Saudi 9/11 documents
Show: Garland Nixon
Date: 2021-09-15
URL: https://youtu.be/6eLIxrbiMjc
Duration: 40:00

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[00:01] good evening my name is garland nixon and i'm a political analyst and i'm former cia officer john kiriakou and welcome tonight we come together to talk about recently released documents uh by the united states government in regards to the saudi arabian government's involvement in 9 11. we've got plenty to talk about let's chat [Music]

[00:52] well this is this ought to be a lot of fun and particularly with your background uh well with the background of the two of us john because um you know my background is in law enforcement and as you know many people i hate to say it over and over again but i ran a um i ran a an investigations division of the police department i was the chief of the investigations division you've been um a a cia officer as it were i don't know if that's the right term but the long and short of it is what we're talking about is an investigation i have had a chance to look over some of the document it's heavily redacted but i can get a lot out

[01:25] of that document but let's start with you john what are some things that you picked up out from the um the the fbi investigation from 2015 regarding um the um the the saudis involvement with 9 11. well there are two important uh messages i think that come out of this investigation one out of the document itself and one out of the saudi response to the document the the first lesson to me is that the um the saudis that the fbi investigated

[01:58] uh byumi was was the uh the one in los angeles uh him being the more important of the two uh their stories just don't stand up garland yeah you know they they told the fbi and this was so ridiculous that um that they just happened to bump into the 911 hijackers one in a 7-eleven and the other in a restaurant like oh they just by chance they bump into these guys and oh are you from saudi arabia i'm from saudi arabia too oh what are you doing here oh i'm going to do the 9 11

[02:29] attacks or what are you doing here oh i'm a saudi diplomat right come on man you know that might work in the ministry of justice of saudi arabia but no one with one ounce of brains is going to believe that these uh connections were were just serendipitous that's just not how real life works um some of our viewers are saying inside job yeah i think so i think it was uh it was something of an inside job now i mentioned the saudi

[03:01] response the official saudi response from the saudi embassy it was released to the washington post the new york times um was very carefully crafted yeah it was very careful to see that to say that no senior saudi royal family members or senior government officials were involved in the 9 11 attacks or had forewarning of any terrorist attacks anywhere we're not talking about senior saudi royal family members or senior

[03:31] government officials what was telling was that they didn't say there was no saudi government involvement period because we know there was saudi government involvement we know that the muslim world league which is based in jeddah is funded by the saudi government now the saudis say that this is an ngo a non-governmental organization that's nonsense its funding comes solely from the saudi government and when the the world muslim league uh is funneling money to the 911

[04:03] hijackers to me that is official saudi government involvement and there's another thing too this wasn't specifically addressed in the most recent uh fbi release it was addressed in the 28 pages the notorious 28 pages that were that were partially declassified a couple of years ago and that was the role of the wife of prince bandar uh al saud prince bandar was the saudi ambassador to the united states very long time saudi ambassador to the

[04:33] united states and his wife wired 50 000 to by umi and then by umi later gave the money to the hijackers they used to pay the rent on their apartment uh they used it for food uh they may have even used the money to to buy their tickets the guy i might i add he gave 50 000 to the guy guys that he just chanced happened to meet at a restaurant that he'd never seen

[05:03] we're supposed to believe that he happened to meet these guys by chance at a restaurant and then he gave him 50 grand a month let me give you a 50 grand that originated with the saudi ambassadors come on man but you know this is we we've we've seen this for so many years even before the 9 11 attacks with with president george h.w bush we we had an administration that pandered to the saudis and bill clinton pandered to the saudis and george w pandered to the saudis and so did

[05:34] obama and then trump was like trump got his on his knees before the saudis joe biden is no better at least not yet so we've got to we've got to finally stand up to these people i remember being the note taker in a meeting that uh that george tenet the cia director had with uh prince bandar just after the 9 11 attacks and george was absolutely livid as you might imagine of course and he said if you don't cooperate we are

[06:05] gonna start killing people and some of those pa people may be named al saud and it was only then that the saudis said well you know we've got these files on these guys and they turned out to be the hijackers and we're really sorry and you know things happen well you know when i looked at this guy so by umi for those of you who i would recommend that everybody read reads it but he was one of two of the hijackers basically came to los angeles and he met with him and as he claimed he claimed that it was by happenstance however there were other

[06:37] people on the scene who were interviewed who said he stood by the window watching for the guys and when the guys came up he greeted them in arabic and they all talked and they went together and they sat down and at a table and talked so he just met him by happenstance not just a lie but a big lie add this these guys did not speak or read english no so i'm supposed to believe that they just walked up to a restaurant they didn't speak or read english and they were just going to walk in there

[07:07] and just maybe hope somebody would help them out they didn't have anything and they didn't speak a reading can you imagine going to a country whatever me going to saudi arabia and not speaking reading um arabic and just wandering around in jeddah saying well you know i hope i meet somebody in a restaurant that'll give me 50 grand and help me that doesn't make sense the other thing was when they interviewed bayoumi and i've seen this before as a former investigator he remembered details lots of tiny specific details but he

[07:37] didn't remember what they talked about yeah you know and i've seen that before because when you're interviewing you'll ask people lots of questions to get some specific details what were you wearing that day oh i had on a spongebob shirt what was the other guy wearing he had on a patrick shirt oh what color was his shoes red what color was it and you ask them a million tiny detailed questions and they remember everyone and you say okay what were you guys talking about you know funny thing that skip they remember the time how many people walk by what the

[08:08] waiter the num the price of the bill all these specific details but he doesn't remember what they talked about also he claimed that he'd never talked to anybody about jihad yet there were people that said oh yeah he was like yeah we've got to fight back etc so here's what it comes down to when you look at this investigate this particular document at 16 pages long from beginning to end one thing is obvious the people that the fbi investigation and this is what i can say for sure they

[08:38] were um [Music] deceptive and they were yes um hiding obviously hiding something you know what i mean so because that's what you look for it's like when you're when you're doing an investigation you can't say that people are lying oftentimes people don't want to lie and they'll find something to say so they don't have to lie but the deception is what you'll see and the lack of memory and that's what i got here's the bottom line when you go through this and you see for instance this guy bayumi who

[09:09] is a guy who helped facilitate things for the um for the hijackers we find out that he used to work for this supposedly work for like the saudi airplane company or airline company but he was a ghost employee the people there said well he was paid but we never saw him so so you see this guy was working for somebody doing something he was a ghost employee go ahead which leads me to believe that he was a saudi intelligence officer yes that's the only thing that makes sense now remember that there's a huge saudi student population in los angeles and that's why the uh

[09:43] the saudis have a consulate there not just students but royal family members you know they own half of beverly hills right and so it would make sense to me that they would place an intelligence officer in los angeles at the very least to keep track of saudi students what they're doing what they're saying who they're meeting with are they speaking out against the royal family against the government are they going to be a problem and then you know you appoint somebody like by umi who's the wrong guy

[10:13] for a position like this yeah and then you know the way they interviewed him and his his answers he he didn't know what the hell he was doing i mean to give those kind of he was really a bone-headed guy to be honest and over his head yeah in over his head a question that i have though is what took the fbi so long to declassify this stuff the reason that it was declassified and released is because president biden ordered that it be declassified and raised so it was partially declassified it's heavily redacted um and frankly i think the only

[10:45] reason that biden did it was because the the 911 families that they have a lobbying group but the line the 911 families said that he was not welcome biden was not welcome to the 20th uh anniversary uh commemoration of the attacks unless he released the information about saudi involvement well now let me ask you something john you've got a lot more political experience than i do and maybe this is being too i don't know you know but i'll throw this at you and let me ask if it makes sense

[11:16] i thought after the afghanistan issue man what can they do to throw everybody off the trail is am i am i out in space asking the question could some of that have been look we got to do something big to change the conversation from the afghanistan issue what do you think oh i think it's entirely possible you know i i said the other day and and i just came out with this on my own i don't really base it on anything other than my gut but um

[11:47] i i think that the reason the white house uh didn't give any detail about the drone attack in saudi arabia was that they wanted the the natural news cycle to take over and push it out of the headlines i think that that's part of what this was too that if you release information like this especially over a weekend right right over the weekend it was released which and they talked about it on the sunday

[12:17] morning talk shows instead of talk shows which means that it's still relevant monday morning yes because monday morning they give their reporting on the sunday morning talk shows then you push everything else out of the news cycle so yeah i think that it's entirely possible and in looking at this here's what we know the government knew a lot more a lot earlier and the whole i get because you know one thing i remember there was this incident that i had found out about because i was working with i believe it or not at that back and then i was

[12:48] working doing some intelligent stuff but but the bottom line is this on 911 only one i think other than the other than the saudis being allowed the bin laden family being allowed to get in a plane and fly out there was one other plane there was a guy in miami who was bitten by a snake called a taipan i believe it was one of the most deadliest states in the world yeah that's right and they only had the venom in san diego at the san diego zoo and they allowed the plane to fly from san diego to miami to get

[13:20] the anti-venom there to save this guy's life that was like the only the only play they allowed but i mean right but when when you start looking at you know when i taught in college which was 2010 i remember then i was teaching i thought criminal justice and one of the things that i talked about then was at that time the saudis owned seven percent of the u.s economy seven percent they'll be surprised you know just as an aside uh i remember

[13:51] when i was at the cia i was doing a a classified biography on the emir of qatar and i was able to calculate that he owned two percent of france yeah that is wow owned two percent of the land mass of france uh in the state and cutter nice yes and cutter has about the population of houston if i'm not mistaken yeah something like that well no no no no it's yes if you count all of the uh third country

[14:21] nationals all of the the workers but uh the the population of actual cutteries yeah is about 50 000. wow wow yeah yeah so yeah so what happens to is and you know in inside of this conversation one a part of it what that people have to realize is this and you can correct me if i'm wrong some of these countries that have a tremendous amount of oil wealth they don't buy stuff yeah they buy stuff because they want it but they buy

[14:52] influence and power you know what i mean so for instance the saudis or whoever they'll buy billions and billions of dollars worth of war equipment that they're never going to use but they buy it for influence and power and then the rest of this stuff they don't even take it out of the crates they'll buy weapon systems from the russians the chinese the french the british they only use american equipment so all this other military equipment that they buy they just put in warehouses and leave it there just to rot and go bad but they buy it just to maintain good relations with those

[15:23] powerful countries now the saudis if you could explain a little bit my understanding is this of saudi arabia is a lot of the people don't work that they receive a the equivalent of a welfare and that um basically the salafist religion is pushed almost brutally shall we say on the people what what what do you what do we need to know about that uh i would disagree that it okay that it's pushed brutally i i would say that people you know that's just the religion of the

[15:53] country saying that that's just the way the country is and interestingly enough uh qatar is the only other wahhabi country on the planet besides saudi arabia uh both of them are wahhabist uh this goes back to the 18th century when this muslim thinker by the name of abdul wahab came up with his own version his own fundamentalist uh interpretation of the quran and uh and it was popular among the the larger tribes in saudi arabia the sauds the rasheeds the gagtanis

[16:24] these these tribal elders liked this idea of a fundamentalist islam and it took hold in what later became saudi arabia so people really believe it i was talking to a senior saudi uh foreign ministry official one time when i was posted there i i spent uh much of 1991 there and i said um i used the word fundamentalist and he corrected me and he said look he said you're misusing the word fundamentalist he said we're all fundamentalists here

[16:56] it's the nature of our faith he said we're the most fundamentalist muslim country on earth and he was right i mean until the taliban came to power um a little bit later in afghanistan they they were the most fundamentalist uh on earth they've had a a police force called the motel sing plural singular is mutawa it's it's a part of what's called the ministry of virtue and vice and these are guys that walk around

[17:27] town or walk around the shopping malls with bamboo canes and if a woman has um something exposed besides just her eyes you know you can see an ankle or a wrist they get a whack with a bamboo cane wow and maybe a couple of whacks and if they protest then they get arrested and charged with prostitution because they allowed somebody to see their their hands or their wrists or their ankles um same thing with the men if you're walking with your wife or daughter or

[17:58] sister and she's not properly covered you're gonna get a whack with the bamboo cane i'll tell you a story of what happened to our deputy chief of mission when i was in saudi arabia this is the deputy u.s ambassador to saudi arabia his wife worked at the uh king faisal eye and ear hospital in riyadh she was a nurse and he drove her to work one day and dropped her off his window was open because it was a beautiful spring day before he dropped her off he looked around he

[18:29] didn't see anybody and he kissed her on the cheek he didn't see that there was a mutawa that was there the motowa pulled him out of the car through the window beat him so badly with the cane he had to get stitches in his forehead arrested him and then arrested his wife for prostitution this is the deputy u.s ambassador to saudi arabia so of course we we lodged complaints with the ministry of foreign affairs we uh

[18:59] we issued a press statement they apologized it won't happen again but it happens all the time you know and they always apologize and say well you know we're sorry these guys go too far but they don't mean the apologies this is the country that they want this is the government that they want it's the society that they want now we like to think that they're stuck with it that's they're not stuck with it it's what they've chosen well let me ask you this john because this is something else i think that is important to consider in all of this

[19:30] and that is that the relationship between the ruling family of the uh of saudi arabia and you know i would have to say the us slash uk empire you know what i mean in other words because number one the british empire put them in power yes number one and number two because of the agreement on the ship over the petro dollar the us

[20:01] you know donald trump said something interesting he basically said you know if we didn't protect the saudi a family they'd be out of power in two weeks and i thought you know i didn't know he'd have the guts to say that but it's you know it's true as it may be we hold them in but so what do you think about what happened in 9 11 and see that's what i thought 9 11 happened clearly it appeared it appears to me that based on objective evidence that the saudi um government was at some level was involved heavily involved right

[20:32] but even if you kind of like this thing with like the khashoggi thing even if yes the government knows that they did everything which they do the considerations of the saudi royal families con connections to the uk government the uk empire and their connections to the us through the petro dollar if the u.s ways will weigh it out and say you know what we got to protect these guys even though they were responsible for attacking us

[21:04] because we got other we got bigger fish to fry here we got other things going on what are your thoughts on both of those things oh i i've had this conversation with ambassador chaz freeman uh he was the former u.s ambassador to saudi arabia when i was stationed there and now we're members of the same uh like think tank here in washington uh and he told me that the relationship is actually very very simple uh we buy oil and they buy weapons it's as simple as that we're at the point now where we really

[21:35] don't need their oil anymore so long as the price of oil internationally is 60 a barrel that makes fracking cost effective now we can have an argument about fracking too i think it's a horrible horrible thing for the environment it's poisoning our water etc but um but we want the saudis to buy our weapons they spend billions upon billions of dollars buying our weapon systems and in exchange we buy their uh their oil

[22:05] another ambassador for whom i worked this was the us ambassador to bahrain said it an even more stark terms oil flows out of the gulf and weapons flow into the gulf and that's the way everybody likes it you know something else i'm going to throw at you nobody ever talks about this the saudi the saudis became also for the us became very um valuable for this yemen war this human assault on yemen when i look i

[22:35] always people talk about wow what's going on why are we there when i think about yemen i look at a map and when i look at a map i see saudi arabia and saudi arabia has two routes to the sea one of them goes through the straits of hormuz which is controlled by iran the other one goes through the straits i think it's pronounced bob alvin bob or something like that the baba mandeb okay and that goes right past yemen who are allies with the iranians so here's what i think

[23:06] i think the u.s empire the saudis etc they look at this and they say iran can close off saudi arabia's access to the sea any time they want either through the straits of bob almandab mindab or because that's their allies or the houthis or the straits of who were moves and we're not going to allow them to have both therefore when people look at the yemen they're like oh they're poor oh why are we doing that oh you

[23:37] know the saudi arabian saudi they all they want is a public government anyway when i when i look at these things and i whenever i think about any any war or anything else the first thing i do is look at a map of the area to see are there any geostrategic issues and that's what i see so to me saudi arabia then also becomes valuable to the us because they can the us can launch their war pro on yemen using saudi arabia as a proxy army

[24:08] and let me tell you how the saudis screwed that up the saudis and the yemenis have always had a very contentious relationship and the reason is that the saudis are afraid of the yemenis the yemenis are tough scrappy fierce fighters that's obvious they work hard they're all armed they all have these curved daggers that they're they wear on their you know upper stomach they're called gem bias and um and they're just very tough

[24:39] people i've been to yemen five times people drive taxis with ak-47s propped on the front seat you know they're just very tough you're right um in 1990 and 1991 yemen happened to find itself with membership on the united nations security council and iraq invaded kuwait and we went to the security council and we wanted a unanimous vote uh to authorize a use of force

[25:12] well there were two countries that voted no cuba and yemen and as soon as yemen voted no the saudis expelled 1.2 million yemeni workers guest workers i happened to go from saudi arabia to yemen when this expulsion was taking place and for 20 minutes before you landed in sana'a the capital of yemen you could see these tent cities that were stretching all the way up the coast

[25:42] wow jetta it was it was a humanitarian disaster so that was a policy mistake for a couple of reasons first even though the saudis and the yemenis don't like each other peace between them benefits everybody right right second the situation became so untenable in yemen people were starving to death there wasn't work uh for everybody that eventually the government which was a

[26:14] sunni government like the saudi government was overthrown and replaced by the houthi rebels who are shia muslims and collide with iran so the saudis made a mistake the americans made a mistake and now they have a well-armed enemy not just on their southern border on the saudi southern border but in control of the baba mondeb which is only 16 miles across whoa that's it i mean you can swim

[26:45] to africa from the saudi peninsula or the the arabian peninsula so you know i have to think this that's another reason that the u.s would be very reticent to go to war or attack iran because iran since their allies allied with iran and it's obvious that iran has given in some some ballistic missiles there it's it i've put it like this too they benefited iran because they've given the iranians an opportunity to demonstrate their technological prowess

[27:15] yes right and so the the message is clear look these guys don't have nothing they've got they don't have much and they can give you hell with just a few little ballistic missiles and drones that we give them so if you mess with us can you imagine what you're up against and the saudis i think the saudis got the message because the saudis actually have been quietly not so quietly contacting the iranians and and trying to work out a deal and i think the message is pretty clear to them yeah you know you can measure this in a

[27:47] bunch of different ways but for all intents and purposes the saudis have lost this war against yemen and you're right you know it's funny too garland every time the houthis either fire a rocket at a saudi airport usually their military airports or to saudi oil facility or use a drone against a saudi oil facility they almost always hit it and usually there's very little damage but the saudis panic yeah and the price of oil skyrockets now

[28:17] a couple of years ago they attacked the the houthis attacked um saudi oil fields in the eastern province which was far far right right yeah pretty impressive uh attack and they shut saudi oil production down for three days it it almost collapsed the saudi economy that's how that's how uh frightened the saudis well the other thing it does is too since the saudis are using have been used in mostly uh u.s anti-aircraft um

[28:48] uh uh uh units right yes it has given the iranians i'm just saying this i'm not saying it definitely was the iranians but i kind of think it was can't imagine who else would be it has given them an opportunity to probe the u.s anti-aircraft stuff to try different things to see what works to see what doesn't work what heights what you know what i mean and they i believe over time they have gotten pretty good at defeating us um anti-aircraft uh um

[29:19] stuff because i mean we're talking they're i mean some of the stuff gets shot down but none of it should get through and now they hit him pretty hard which again they've given this has been as as tragic as it's been because yemen's a very very poor country and i hate to see this kind of war particularly against poor people but it has been disastrous i think for the u.s the saudis the west etc who have been pushing iran because they've given iran a lot of opportunities here to work i also i may

[29:51] be wrong but i also believe that there has been some help in targeting and other things inside of saudi arabia which has a significant shiite population yes um i wouldn't be surprised by that most of saudi arabia's shia muslims are in the eastern province which just happens to be where the oil is located and the saudis are absolutely panicked at the thought that those shia muslims may fall under the influence of iran i mean iran is a

[30:23] stone's throw away right and that's where the saudis are most active in cracking down on um on shia religious uh processions uh they're not allowed to the the shias there are not allowed to commemorate the deaths of hassan and hussein for example they're the saudis are really really tough on them uh tougher than they are anywhere else in the country uh and i think it's in part because they

[30:53] underestimated the threat to saudi arabia from the shia muslims in yemen they they never thought the houthis were anything i mean all the years that i was going to yemen there was this there was this houthi uprising in the north that nobody really was taking seriously the last time i went to yemen was in 2011 and i got in a cab at the airport and i asked the cab driver so how are things going with the houthis here and

[31:24] he said oh he said you know the houthis uh they're they're a bigger problem than we thought they were they're using drones to bomb the capital city and i said to him the houthis don't have drones we do the saudis do and our drones are in djibouti 16 miles across the water that was the first indication that the united states was involved in that war in a real way was from a cab

[31:54] driver wow who happened to notice drones you know the last thing i'll say about 911 what was it with it's interesting is that after 9 11 the iranians you know they had a big ceremony they said we're on your side we're sorry they offered to help and did help and some of the countries that worked with the us and that helped we kind of turned on them afterwards and i i always thought that was terrible

[32:25] because the the iranians the my take of iran is that the people of iran were kind of pro-west yes especially the young people they were like yes you know they're like hey yeah i'm watching hollywood i'm watching rap videos that's cool i want you know whatever american stuff the kardashians they were keeping up with stuff like that and they kind of longed for that but i do think that the us's oppression of iran over the last couple of decades has really destroyed that i think that's exactly right i have a lot of friends who have made trips to uh

[32:57] iran uh people like medea benjamin and and the wonderful folks at code pink and um people who are friends of mine who are involved in you know ecumenical religious organizations they've made trips to iran and everybody says what you just said that pretty much every iranian they encounter is pro-western pro-american wants improved relations with the united states recognizes that our governments hate each other you know they're realists about their own government too

[33:29] iran is essentially a military dictatorship rather than the theocracy they want everybody to believe they are but on a people-to-people level they very much want good relations with the united states the saudis they're not so crazy about yeah no and i this is the other thing i take about iran and that is that okay the us overthrew the government and this is the way i put it you tell me if i'm wrong you know the history the u.s overthrew the government of iran in 52 53 whatever it is and i've said this wow and because you were not a le that

[34:02] all other parties were outlawed everything political was outlawed so the only place that people could meet was in the mosque yeah and so they met to talk politics and therefore they had a religious theocratic revolution to overthrow the government that had they been allowed to have open uh political meetings it might not have been theocratic so that the oppression on the iranian people that stopped them from having open from being able to talk politics anywhere other

[34:33] than in the mosque where they could hide and pretend like they were just talking about religion created the environment where it could only be a religious um a religious uh uh uh um what do you call it uh revolution and and i tell you where i came from that because in the black community what you find out is you know a lot of people think like martin luther king and a lot of the people in the civil rights movement over the course of the years were you know uh preachers etc right that was the deal during slavery and jim crow times if black people got together and

[35:04] they met they're like hey we want to talk politics in the town square they're getting hung so the only real place they could do was they could go to the to the church and they could pretend like they're having a church service and they could plot whatever political things they could do to get the vote or other things like that so i think that's the same thing in iran you create an environment where it can only be a religious revolution yes i think you're exactly right um and and for the uh you know for the iranians there were different um there were different political factions the democrats

[35:36] with a small d uh and democracy was was working until the u.s and and british governments decided to overthrow the democratically elected uh prime minister of of iran right muhammad mussadic uh there were the religious types and then there were communists right well we had such an obsession with communism at the time that we worked with shah of iran muhammad raza palavi to to crush any opposition whatsoever

[36:09] whether it was religious or communists and it got to the point where you know more and more people were being harassed they were being jailed they were being beaten they were being exiled that you couldn't beat or jail or exile anymore and so the revolution began in 1978 it uh resulted in the overthrow of the shaw in february of 1979 the storming of the american embassy in november of 79 and things have never

[36:39] been the same and if in if and if it's american american news all history with iran starts in 1979 that's it there's you don't talk about but what happened before then oh everything was wonderful before 79. in 79 everything went bad well look john it was great talking to you certainly appreciate you great thank you guys for your business busy schedule i appreciate everyone let's look at a couple of things that people have to say let's see let's uh we'll take a couple of looks moo cal says my dad said a high-ranking official's wife was caught having an

[37:10] affair with a younger man they buried the young man neck deep and an executioner on a horse whacked his head off like a polo ball i don't know if that's true but john i know it's nothing unusual for someone to get their head uh plopped off in saudi arabia i was the human rights officer at the american embassy in riyadh and uh and i witnessed an execution there it was a filipino man who had been caught with drugs um he was uh brought out to the execution platform after friday prayers 12 o'clock noon uh he was clearly

[37:43] drugged and um hands tied behind his back he was forced onto his knees his head was placed on a on a butcher block like a tree stump the executioner came out holding a very ornately carved curved dagger and without breaking stride he just walked right up to the man raised up the the dagger there's not a dagger sorry a sword right and um and just chopped his head right off it flopped into a basket

[38:15] the crowd shouted akbar allahu akbar and then it was over what the saudis do with women i think is really brutal they employ the use of um of stoning right but they don't they don't stone people like in biblical times where people throw stones at you they uh drug the woman they tie her hands behind her back they force her uh onto her knees and then they unload a dump truck full of gravel on top of her wow and

[38:47] and smothers and crushes her yeah yeah that's and you know that's why i say lastly when we talk about you know the um the taliban and we're looking out for women's rights and we got to stay i'm like if you understand what about women in saudi arabia why don't we stand up for their rights exactly exactly well thanks a lot john carriacko and garland nixon here uh yep great talking to you john great talking to everybody we got a lot more coming up we got a lot more shows coming up we got a website coming up we're

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