Title: DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “France In Crisis”
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-09-08
URL: https://youtu.be/lDOspNoh9IA
Duration: 76:00

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[09:32] Hey, John. Long time no see. Right. And I'll tell you, I'll be I'll be honest with you. You and I talked at what 12 to 1. >> Yeah. >> I did some stuff uh computer stuff from 1 to 2, went right to sleep and woke up five minutes ago. >> So, I'm basically the person that you see all day today. >> All day. >> I hope I'm I'm not a disappointment. >> Today's TED day. And you know, Ted, sometimes sometimes when we're waiting

[10:02] for the 10-minute countdown >> Yeah. >> to to finish, I go on what is literally my favorite website on the internet, and that is find agrave.com. >> I use find a grave a lot uh to to help guide the research in my book, right, to decide who to put in the book. And I know most of the people who are important enough to be on Find a Grave as a famous person. Well, there's one

[10:32] who's listed as as having her death date today that I think people would be interested in. >> It's Greta Zimmer Freriedman and all it says is pop culture icon. Okay. Who the heck is Greta Zimmer Freriedman? And she's buried here at Arlington Cemetery in Arlington, Virginia. Well, get this. Um, it says uh she was she and her sisters were among the last Jews to make it out of Austria uh when the Nazis were in the process of

[11:03] of ending um immigration. She made it out to the United States. Uh she was um let's see uh 12 years old when she got the visa. She was 15 years old when she finally settled with her family in uh in New York City. Got a job as a dental assistant on August 14th, 1945. She was working for dentists JD and JL Burke on Lexington Avenue in Manhattan. There

[11:35] were rumors that the war was going to end that day. >> And since she wasn't far from Times Square, she thought about walking over to see for herself if the rumors were true. When when she got there, she was suddenly grabbed by a sailor. #me too, >> kissed exuberantly and just as suddenly left. She had no idea that an Associated Press photographer took a picture >> of the the sailor, you know, like honor

[12:06] kissing her, but it became that iconic image >> of >> Time Square on V on VJ day. on VJ day, victory in Japan day. >> That's amazing. Front page of Life magazine and everywhere else. >> So interesting. It says here, front of culture icon. >> She is. And it was on the front page of Life magazine. And in fact, uh later on, 20 years later, Life magazine called it the most iconic cover it had ever had in

[12:37] the history of Life magazine. She um she was misidentified for years as the VJ day nurse. She wasn't a nurse. She was a dental assistant. But anyway, >> kind of brought a copy of error. She was wearing an all-white uniform. >> That's right. with the hat and everything. She brought she brought a picture of the a copy of the picture to Albert Eisenstat who took the picture >> and um and she said, "I need for you to to acknowledge that this is me because

[13:09] nobody believes me when I say it was me." And he said, "I recognize you. That was definitely you." And then she said in an interview later, "It was kind of fun to be world famous even for a moment because it was totally accidental. Fame for just being there." And it says here she died on this date uh September 8th 2016 in Richmond, Virginia at the age of 92 and she was cremated in her ashes interred at Arlington Cemetery with her

[13:40] husband Misha Elliot Freriedman. >> That's very cool. Although I still think she should have been buried at Times Square in a moselum. As far as I'm >> She probably should have been. But that this is why I write these cemetery books. I mean, the stories that people have are just fascinating to me. I love it. >> Amazing. Well, nothing we're going to talk about today is probably going to rise quite to that level, but let's see what we can do. The the government of France has collapsed. >> The Supreme Court has handed Trump another victory in his battle against immigration. Uh, however, he got posed

[14:13] in uh federal appeals court. He still has to pay Gene Carol 83 million bucks. There's that Jerusalem bus stop attack. We'll talk about the implications there. >> Trump's pushing school prayer. Dying to hear what you think about that. But first, there was some the breaking news is that the House Oversight Committee has uh collected some Epstein documents. >> Yeah. >> House Democrats are starting to release some of those documents and most notably they released this.

[14:43] So this is of course um uh Epstein was born in 1953 and in 2003 for the occasion of his uh 50th birthday his friends put together uh maybe just did this I would imagine put together a birthday book and they were asked to do a page in honor of Jeffrey and they did this and Donald Trump allegedly did this and I'll get into the allegedly I don't

[15:14] know. I mean, I learned this from my uh case, my lawsuit, that there's a big difference. You can't trust a Xerox copy as being authentic. Um, you know, but I'm wondering who has the original. It certainly looks like it certainly looks like Donald Trump's signature. And I'm going to say it does one who used to be a banker and had to look at handwriting analysis. It certainly looks and who also is an artist. I'm gonna say whoever signed that also probably drew that too. Um, if you just look at the the quality of the line, but it's it is fascinating

[15:47] to see the uh the content of this thing. We were talking about this before we went on the air with producer Robbie about how, you know, like what does it all mean? Right? So, I'm going to read it for people who can't read it. It says it's a picture of a of a of a woman's torso. It says voice over. There must be more to life than having everything. Donald, it's all like a script. Yes, there is. But I won't tell you what it is, Jeffrey. Nor will I since I also know what it is, Donald. We have certain

[16:19] things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do, come to think of it, Donald, enigmas never age. Have you noticed that, Jeffrey? As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you. Donald, a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday and may every day be another wonderful secret. >> I would not call that a Democrat hoax. I would say that Donald Trump has to grab this thing by the horns. You know,

[16:52] weeks ago, weeks ago, Ted, you and I were talking about this and I said that there was a guy uh Bloomingdale, I forget his first name, but he was Ronald Reagan's best friend and he was part of the the Reagan kitchen cabinet and he died. He died on top of his girlfriend who was 50 years younger than he was. >> And so there are worse ways to go >> indeed. But I mean, if you're Mrs. Blooming Dale. >> Oh, that Yeah.

[17:22] >> This is going to be a problem. So, later on in the Washington Post, uh there was an article saying that that journalists had spoken to these White House insiders that the the knee-jerk re reaction was going to be that Reagan would deny ever being close to to Bloomingdale. Uh he was just a guy, you know. Yeah, sure he was in some of these meetings, but we weren't really close. It was just one of those things. And then somebody said, "Wait a minute. Wait a minute. If

[17:53] we lie and say that you weren't closed, that's going to be the story." And so what they ended up doing is they released a statement under Reagan's signature saying, "Bloomingale was one of my best friends. He was a loyal friend for many years. We were close. We, you know, did this together. We did that together. Our wives were close. the circumstances of his passing are unfortunate, but that's something between him and his God. And people are like, "You know

[18:25] what? That was the perfect response." >> Yeah. Good for Ronald Reagan. It's exactly the opposite of what Donald Trump is doing right now with this Jeffrey Epstein thing. >> Just come clean. Say, "Look, I was friendly with Epstein. I didn't know he was a pedophile. And when I found out he was a pedophile, I cut off all contact and I banned him from Mara Lago. So yeah, okay. I I I sent this silly uh whatever this is birthday card, but we were friends at the time. After that, we

[18:56] weren't friends. Just be honest about it. Calling it a Democrat hoax just makes him look stupid and it makes him look like he's covering up. >> Yeah. I mean, look, it's it's one of these things. Can we could we go to court and say that he definitely drew and wrote that? No. Um I mean even if we had the analysis of the pen of the ink that was used, we have access to the original. We still couldn't prove it. >> But you and I both know he wrote that and we both know he he drew that, right? I mean there's no question. And so I

[19:27] mean look, Houdini, thank you very much for the generous donation. >> You know, uh the uh Houdini said doesn't sound like Trump. I gotta agree with that. I mean, as far as we know, it doesn't sound like anything Trump would say or write. It I will argue about the pen. It looks like the signature was done with a cheap me pen. The Don only use Mlan, top-of-the-line pens. No, he uses El Marcos and he uses >> We've seen him use Sharpies. >> Yeah, he th this right here is what he's

[19:59] been Yeah, he's using Sharpies. Here we go. >> This is what he uses. So, um, so that's a that's a Sharpie. Uh, believe me, I know my pens. Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, I think he I think he signed it. He likes the Sharpie because it's fat. The M blah wouldn't make a big thick line like that no matter what. >> Um, I have one, so I'm just telling you, I know. And, um, the and I Yeah. So, I I think that the question here is who wrote it? Did he have someone else write it? Um, I took note of the fact that it

[20:31] was laid out in the shape of a woman's torso on purpose, right? So, someone laid it out. This was probably done by a computer because it was 2003, but it looks almost type set. It's meant to look like an old book, >> right? >> Um, now of course obviously the question is, and now I thought this was interesting. I think very clearly, um, this is the work of someone who is trying to put on heirs. The question is, is it as a joke? Like, look at look, I'm going to pretend to be snoody, or are

[21:03] you really trying to pass yourself off as fancier than you are? >> And of course, the big question is, >> what's your little secret that you and Jeffrey have in common, Donald? And I mean, look, it could be anything. I mean, I'm not going to name the thing that that comes to mind. It could be that we know the thing that comes to mind, but it could be financial. It could be it could be about something really innocuous like you both love chess or whatever, but they've got a little secret. >> Just Yeah, just come clean with it and

[21:35] then move on. I I just don't understand these responses at all. I just don't get it. >> Well, it's like it's always deny, deny, deny. Right. Like >> always, >> but the problem is that it's not credible >> and then you get the drip drip drip which was always the mistake. Anyway, um I'm looking forward to more. Um it also strikes me as like these are little children. These are like little boys, you know, little boys with their billions of dollars, you know, just so

[22:06] pleased with themselves. >> It's true, man. Oh my god. You know, >> and and what's and Bill Clinton has to be enjoying this too because so long as as people like us or anybody in in media are talking about Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, that means they're not talking about Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein. >> Yeah. >> Unbelievable. >> It's true. All right. Well, in in in

[22:37] somewhat more serious news, the government of France has collapsed. So, >> which you predicted you predicted it a couple of days ago, Friday or Thursday. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, and and I think I called it pretty much as soon as uh Francois Bau was appointed prime minister. So, basically, this is looking France is looking increasingly like Italy in the 70s where their governments are collapsing. It's been two years. This is government number five on the way out in two years. Right. So Bou is a

[23:08] center. They call him a centrist. Fine. Fair enough. I would call him a center right guy. But hell, I'm a kami. So So like, so the point is um basically but this is really important, right? So basically um where do we even start with this? So the president of France right Macron he has to now appoint um he he doesn't have to call an election he has to appoint someone who can form a government the pickle for him is who's going to do it I

[23:39] mean so um Maren Le Pen says that her proteé um he's ready to step up and do it there is no [ __ ] way in the world that President Mcron is going to let that happen. Yeah. Then over on the far left, the left alliance says, "Well, we're ready to govern." Jean Luke Min is like, "I'm right here. Right here." Um, and again, there's no [ __ ] way Emanuel Macron is going to let that happen either. Y >> So, which leaves him with the usual pel

[24:10] of boring corporist banker centrists. Um, but those guys, they all know they're doomed because they can't govern because the same thing is going to happen to them. Not to mention there's only two years left on Macron's term and he's term li ter term limited out and so he has nowhere to turn and that's this really does make it John a political crisis on par with 1958 and if people don't know this story because it's pretty obscure my mom was living in

[24:40] Paris in 1958 and um there was a and basically the fourth republic's last government just couldn't form a government and there was a crisis is also simultaneously going on with France's war in Algeria which wasn't going well at the same time. >> Um and so while all this was happening um the you know nobody knew what was going to happen. Well, one fine day, my mom reme told me, and I've read the story elsewhere, the newspapers didn't appear at the corner news stand, and

[25:13] when you went to turn on the the television, there was just the males playing on a loop with the French flag. And when you put on the radio, there was just the males playing on a loop. >> This this is right out of a Soviet uh premiership death. >> Correct. or out of like a third world coup. >> Yes. >> So, so three days went by and you know 198 days there must have been 20 daily newspapers in Paris in in in in 1958.

[25:44] Three days go by, people are just like wondering what the hell is going on. And after three days, the TV comes back on and self-appointed new president Charles de Gaulle announces that he has he's going to create the fifth republic. call for a new constitutional convention and solve the crisis basically by kind of force of personality. So it was a coup. France had a coup in 1958. Um and you know he basically aligned all the powers that be behind the scenes turned off the

[26:16] media and then so it's >> not the media >> basically he turned off the media. >> It's that it's incredible. >> But you can't do that now. So I but Macron's not really in a very different situation than they were in there in the late 50s. I don't know where he goes from here. And the thing is this is a big deal because it's about literally the uh the what kind of country France wants to be. I mean France unlike the

[26:46] United States has always defined itself as a as a country that's based on rights and privileges from being a citizen. Being a citizen means like the American Express card commercial, membership has its privileges. You're a French citizen. You can retire a decent lifestyle at the age of 62 and go all the way to your death and never be sleeping outside or dumpster diving. Um you you know you you you can your kids can go to college basically for free. Um you know, you're never going to be spending your incur

[27:18] massive medical debt or student loan debt. um you know you're protected and the s and and macronisma is about the opposite of that. It's about trying to Americanize things and basically point to the national debt and say we need austerity and both the far-left predictably and the far right a little bit less predictably are are aligned against austerity against the center corporatists represented by Macron. Mcronone is at 15% approval rating right now. He and Eric Adams

[27:49] should be friends. they should hang out. They've got the same polls. >> So, this is a big deal. I mean, France is along with Germany, one of the two founding members of the EU. It's an incredibly it's a permanent member of the Security Council. It is an important country and they don't know what to do. And what's funny is I don't even know is it is the debt really that bad or is this just all in their minds? I don't know the answer. I have a question for you too, Ted, and and maybe you've answered this before and I don't recall.

[28:21] Well, it's kind of a two-part question. Number one, why is Marine Le Pen not permitted to run uh even though she's, you know, she inherited this party from her father? It's essentially their family party. Number two, um would you attribute the popularity of the far right to the fact that Macron has tried to squatchch them or is this some sort of a reaction against immigration or

[28:51] against the growing um number of Muslims in France? >> Well, um yeah, I'll start with the last one first. Um, yeah, I think the I mean, look, immigration's front and center here, but Le Pen, you know, I when you hear that, you know, when people hear that she's not allowed to run, they assume it's like her father who got busted for anti-semit, you know, basically Holocaust revisionism and Holocaust denialism, and that's illegal in France in under French law. You're just not allowed to say that the

[29:21] Holocaust didn't happen or question the narrative. Um and so the but with Marine Le Pen this is really it's about embezzlement and it's a little bit like the lawfare that was waged. Yeah. So basically um a court found that both in Paris found that both Maren Leen and uh other members of her her party which is the national rally uh misused EU funds because basically the EU provides matching funds for uh running for EU office and instead of using it to

[29:53] campaign and for the things that they're supposed to use it for she used it they used it to pay staff. Oh. So, okay. >> So, she was she was sentenced to a five-year ban on holding any public office. Um, and she she faces two years in prison, four-year prison term total. She's appealing currently. Uh, and she had to pay fill out. I don't know if she's actually paid it or not, €100,000. So, she's got Jordan Bardella is her like protege. And, you know, it's by the

[30:23] way that relationship feels a little bit like Ian Rand and her prediliction for younger dudes. I don't know if there's anything sexual there at all, but it kind of looks like it, but um you know, who knows? It's France. Anything's possible. >> Um but yeah, that's why she can't run. She can't run this time. She can't run in 2027. She could run next time, but you know, that's that's going to be five years later, >> right? Right. Right. I get it. >> So, it's a so it's a it is super super interesting. Uh thank you, Matthew Blair

[30:55] Reigns for the donation. Um, what do we think of the Franka Freak? Has it actually delivered any benefits to France or is it just a way for them? >> It's I'm going to answer the question. I think it's watered down neoc colonialism. >> Yeah, >> that's it. >> I I know I know a small fraction of what you know about France and I would say that's >> 100% it. >> You've got you've got Yeah, you've got Yeah, you've got Greece well covered. So, and many many other countries. Um,

[31:27] so yeah, so I think we're going to, but basically this is about the French are are deciding, you know, what do they want to be? And there's definitely a move towards austerity, like you know, we can't keep spending this way. I mean, you could also argue that maybe the French wouldn't be in so much trouble if they weren't promising, for example, to help the Ukrainians out or if they weren't also uh, you know, doing without Russian oil and gas. Yes. Um, you know, they would that that hurt their economy. But France, but France has structural

[31:57] problems anyway. Um, they have a very very low birth rate, even worse than ours. Um, and they've been suffering with that [ __ ] for a century or more. I mean, basically, they they never recovered from World War I in that respect. >> Oh my god. Greece is in the same predicament where it has the the largest population decline on a percentage basis in all of Europe, not just the European Union, but in all of Europe. And it well, it started decades ago, of course,

[32:29] uh but it accelerated during the economic collapse. And I read an I read an editorial in one of the Greek papers the other day and it was talking about where educated Greeks are going. They're going to the United States, to the UK, to Germany, to Australia. But it says when 1,500 educated Greeks, people with master's degrees, law degrees, MDs, PhDs, when 1,500 of them move to Turkey

[33:00] for more opportunity, you know you're screwed. >> That is very, very That's funny and sad. >> Terrible. Well, good luck to the French. I hope they can pull through this. Yeah, I mean honestly their big mistake I think was you know it's the French get into trouble whenever they trust a single man. They you know they they trusted uh Philip Petan in 1940 like don't worry I got you. I'll take care of this. I'll be your shield. That didn't

[33:31] work out well. Uh it didn't work out well in in 58 when they trusted de Gaul or in ' 68 when they trusted de Gaul. Um you know the French are better off with like a more you know hedging their bets. They trusted Macron. I mean, they basically g they put him in he was a kid >> and they gave him a parliament of all all of his own and like basically he didn't know what to and he didn't do [ __ ] with it. >> Yeah, he blew it. >> Crazy. >> So, yeah. Well, this is one of those

[34:01] like we'll just have to watch and see what happens next. By America, >> that's how I feel. Like 10 years ago, I remember thinking, "Oh my god, the Greek prime minister is 10 years younger than I am." It's like, what am I doing wrong? I must be a bum or something. >> Well, hey, you know, the way things are looking, you might get that you the nod for the French prime minister job. No one wants it, right? No one no one in the center uh on the center right wants it. They they know they're going to look like a fool. >> Yes.

[34:32] >> Yes, indeed. >> And the thing is, the French care mo much more than Americans do about their dignity. It's part of their culture. Um, all right. What do we want to talk about next? >> You want to do Jean Carol? You want to >> Yeah, let's do Jean Carol. That should be an easy one. >> Easy. >> I I deep respect for Jean Carol. She has so much I was going to say she has balls of steel, but that doesn't make any sense. She has so much inner fortitude that she stuck this out. She continued

[35:06] her suit. The political tide turned against her. She didn't care. She kept suing. And uh today she won. What was it, Ted? 83 and a half million dollars, I think. Or 85.3 million. >> 83. Yeah. But who's counting? >> Right. Um and today was a day where today was a day that was very good for Donald Trump in the federal courts, especially in the Supreme Court. >> He won pretty much everything except that. And that was a personal slight against him. >> Yeah.

[35:36] >> So good for Eene Carol. >> Yeah. I mean it it must have been pretty humiliating. Although I do kind of have a problem with the idea that you know he Donald Trump had this alleged incident back in the mid 90s. Okay. So >> how do you defend yourself >> 30 years ago, right? And how does he say like Okay, so by all accounts they hooked up and went into the into the dressing room at uh what what was it at Lord and Taylor's? Yeah. and uh and and you know and so she

[36:06] said and basically they they had sex. The question is did they um you know was it consensual or not? >> Right. >> I mean how does Donald Trump defend himself from that? I don't know. >> You can't defend yourself. >> Yeah, it's kind of a problem. I was asked uh in the in the chat here whether I draw my own cartoons. Um, I'm like, look, if I were going to hire someone to draw my draw cartoons for me, they'd look a lot better than the ones I do. So, here, let me let me answer that

[36:38] question with some visual evidence here. Like, that's the that's next that's this week's cartoons, you know, draw I draw them by black and white and then uh scan them in and do them in color. So, >> hey, can I can I answer um some comments from both Houdini Houdini and Starline? They're talking about real estate in Greece. I am absolutely freaking obsessed with real estate in Greece and I use this app every single day. It's called Sptogatoss. It means house cat.

[37:09] Um cute >> because I fully intend to buy real estate in in Athens. Here's the problem. the prices of real estate were going like a rocket straight up because as they point out quite quite uh correctly, you invest €200,000 or €250,000 and you get a golden visa, right? So, Athens real estate was being bought up, like all of it, by Russians, Chinese, and Israelis. Not

[37:41] because they want to live in in Athens, but because just in case things turned to [ __ ] and they needed to run somewhere. That's a pretty nice place. >> Plan B. >> What happened was since they're not living there, they turn all those units into Airbnbs. I haven't I can't even tell you the last time I stayed in a hotel in Athens. I always stay in Airbnbs. So, um, the result of that was that there's now no

[38:11] residential real estate available for rent, right? All of the empty apartments are now Airbnbs and they're all owned by foreigners. So, the government passed a law couple of weeks ago, no more Airbnbs. the ones that are Airbnb now. Okay, no new real estate can be converted into Airbnbs inside the city of Athens and prices now have fallen like a stone. I've been looking at this one condo. It's on the eighth floor of a building and the the view of the

[38:44] Parthonon is like a punch in your face. It's like right there in front of you, right? Exactly the kind of place that I want. It went up to €600,000 and it's back down to €250,000. Like a roller coaster. >> So now's the time. >> Now's the time. >> Wow. >> And and interest rates are going to start to drop, including in Europe. So >> yeah, that's right. That's right. And if you're a an EU national, you can get a a loan, even an investment loan for for

[39:15] real estate. I'm I' I'd like to pay cash if I have the opportunity to do it. But anyway, just >> Starland, I'm afraid. No, I don't. Uh John, you told a story about Greece and cats last week and I already forgot what it was. Yeah. >> Do you remember? I don't remember. >> There there are no rats in in Athens because there are, you know, 150,000 cats or whatever it is, a million cats, I don't know. >> And you know, tourists love the cats. They they'll come up to your to your table at a restaurant and you give them

[39:45] a little smelt or a shrimp or whatever and they purr and you know brush up against you. But as a result there are no rats in Greece. It's just a completely alien thought to to you know think that oh you sit down at a restaurant you see a rat run across the uh the pavement. And here in Washington, we're second only to New York in the fact you remember when we were kids, Ted, the movies uh Willard and Ben. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. That's We're living it now. >> Yo, that's true.

[40:16] >> The the places are overrun with rats. And I mean, they're big. I saw one the other day. I'm telling you, without any exaggeration, this thing was the size of a small dog. Never in my life ever have I seen a rat this big. I'll get I'll tell you another thing real quickly and then I'll move on. I was having trouble sleeping the other night cuz I'm old and I guess this is like life from now on. So, I'm I'm It's 1:00 in the morning. I'm sitting in my chair right over here watching TV and my phone rings and it's a friend of my

[40:47] father's. So, I answer the phone and I said I said, "Jim, are you okay?" One o'clock in the morning. Jim, I said, "Are you okay?" He said, "No, my son is stranded in Washington DC with a buddy of his. They went into this 7-Eleven and somebody got into their van and stole the van, took everything. Their luggage was in the back, their passports, their laptops, everything. Everything. They have nothing. I said, "Okay, no problem. I'll I'll pick them up. Where are they?" He gave me an address. I said, "What in the world would they do in that part of

[41:17] town? Like, I wouldn't go to that part of town in the daytime." Well, because they're idiots and they went on Hotel.com, hotels.com, and it was the cheapest hotel. I said, "Yeah, well, it's the reason it's the cheapest hotel." I said, "Tell him I'll be there in 30 minutes. I'll pick him up." So, I speed over to Southeast Washington. I get there finally. It was about 1:45 in the morning. >> O, better you than me. >> They're both 18 years old and they're panicked. And I thought they were panicked because they just had all their [ __ ] stolen. They're in a terrible part

[41:49] of town. That was not why they were panicked. They were panicked because while they were waiting for me, they noticed a homeless guy sleeping on the ground and rats were eating his toes. >> No way. >> I said, "Yeah." I said, "Welcome to Washington. We are rat central these days, and I don't know why nobody wants to do anything about it." And they were like, "We never saw anything like that in our lives. Oh, I never want to come back here." I was like, "Well, yeah,

[42:19] exactly." So, so I I went to uh when I went to college, I was expelled after my junior year. >> What? Why? >> It's true. Well, when you interview me, I'll tell you. Okay. It was it was kind of over a wart. Uh but I think I told you about the wart story, but I was expelled and um so I moved in with two other guys who'd both been expelled at the same time. And uh we lived together. We had adventures two and a half years. Anyway, when we all when it all went

[42:49] sideways, um two of us, we each had girlfriends. We moved in with our girlfriends and then this the third one, Chris, he moved out to Jersey City and he moved into this dump that and he said, and I was like, "How's it going?" I talked to him on the phone. He goes, "It's not good. At night, the rats run over me." And I'm like, "What?" He goes, "Yeah, there's the the place is full of giant rats." And when a New Yorker tells you giant rats, that doesn't mean like this, right? It means big. And so he's

[43:21] like, he goes, "Yeah, they run across me and they bite me at night while I'm sleeping." And I'm like, "I would be I would leave. I'd be sleeping outside before I did this." He was So I'm like, "Well, you got to do something." He's like, "What do I do? I don't know what to do." And so he said he was at one point going through 30 glue traps a day with with all >> a day. a day. A day. I mean, that's a lot of rats. So, I was like, "Dude, you gotta go down to the I'm like, "You gotta go down to the pound and get like three big tom cats."

[43:55] And you know, my my mom taught me that like the best mousers have the longest tails. And she's like, so it's like, look for a cat with a long tail because they jump more, right? The tail is like it gives them that balance. Monkeys have a long tail. like tigers, any animal that has that can jump far, better jumping, better mousing. So anyway, he followed my advice and uh then he died on 911, but that's a whole different story. >> Oh my god. Yeah, >> what a story,

[44:25] >> you know. I know. But I always thought about the biting. It's like I mean that's a horror show. I mean, John, I had a job in in freshman year on the docks as a part-time long shoreman and for two week the first two weeks is basically the hazing period and they're like, "Okay, so you have to make prove yourself." So, I think you'll like this story. So, the guy So, the my boss, he's like, "Uh, today go out. Here's a bag. We poison all the rats." And the rats on

[44:56] the warf rats are massive giant cats and but they poison them and then go pick up the dead ones and throw them in the bag. I'm like, "All right." So I go out there, I pick them up by the tail. >> Oh, dead. >> Drop them into the into the bag. There's hundreds of them. And um I picked up one and it wasn't dead. It whipped around and bit me like right in the small of my arm right here. It sunk. It sunk its teeth and it would not let go. And of

[45:27] course, as you can imagine, I'm screaming. I'm all by myself. I gotta solve this problem myself. So, I bashed it and bashed it and bashed it against a a pylon until it let go. And it I was pleading like all over the place. I go to the office and the guy's like, "Teddy, you can go ahead and go home early." And something told me that wouldn't be a good idea. So, I just I was just like, "Okay, I'm I'm like, "No, I'm good. Just like let me just wrap myself up. I'll finish my shift." And I

[45:57] really did need the money. Um I was a scholarship kid, uh you know, at a at the second most expensive college in the country. Uh and I was about to lose all my financial aid due to the Reagan budget cuts. So, I needed that money. So, anyway, the point is I tied I bound myself up. And uh so the next day when I came back to work, my boss goes, "You know, uh if you hadn't if you if you'd agreed to go home early, I would have never let you come back." And I'm like, "You're a real charmer."

[46:29] But >> Ted, you must have gone to the hospital. >> I did. No, I couldn't afford it. Are you kidding me? >> Oh my god. >> I I was always worried that I might, you know, for like weeks I was like, "What if I got rabies or >> Yeah, right. Whatever rats carry, they carry all kinds of stuff. >> No, this is one of the many reasons that I'm for socialized in the healthcare. You should be able as a human being to walk into a clinic and get that taken care of. It would have cost hundreds of dollars back in the early 80s. There was no way I didn't have it. >> Yeah, healthcare is a human right. I I'm

[47:01] 100% with you. Healthc care is a human right. It should be free for everybody. >> And and man, I you know, so for me, when I think of rats, I always think of that. And uh you know it was a tough job. >> The the test was that you had to carry a 200 pound bag 200 yards. They didn't care how >> on your shoulders in front of you. On your shoulders was the best way. That's how I did it. >> Yeah, it's the best way. >> But it was like that's a lot of weight. I only weighed like 160 at the time. So,

[47:33] you know, it was not easy and but the pay was insane. So it was >> it had to be. >> It needed to be. Yeah. >> Yeah. It was like it was $50 an hour cash. >> Cash. >> No. Yeah. And you went home and the terrifying thing is you'd go home after a 12 hour shift with 600 bucks in your pocket, you know, in on the New York City subway in 1981. >> Oh my god. Yeah. >> You know, you're you're a walking bank. >> Yeah. Where's Where's Bernie gets when

[48:03] you need him? >> Totally. Totally. No, I I I was really really wanted a gun but couldn't get one. Um anyway, so with that, um speaking of gunfire, so we should talk about this remote junction uh shooting. So um two, um Palestinians from the West Bank uh shot and killed uh six Israelis who were waiting for the bus at remote junction. Um, how this is covered depends on the the political um leaning

[48:35] of the uh of the press organization, but basically some are saying calling it Jerusalem, but the truth is it's it's really occupied territory, right? It's in >> Yeah, they keep saying Jerusalem, but it's in a Jewish settlement in East Jerusalem, >> which is the West Bank. It's the occupied West Bank, >> which is the West Bank. Correct. >> Yep. So, um, Emmanuel Macron again in the news here on Deep Program. And by the way, please like, follow, and share the show. Uh, didn't we didn't do the

[49:06] proper intros this time, but thank you very much for your support and all that. >> And thank you to to Chrism ZTC uh with a question we can get to in a in a second, but thank you very much for the $5. >> Yes, thank you indeed. So, yeah, I mean, so the thing is what do we do? Um I mean so Macron saying this is another reminder of why we need to put an end to the violence and this is all related to the Gaza war. Um that's I I got to say what was notable to me was I can't

[49:37] imagine a year ago that any politician as mainstream as Emanuel Macron would ever have been able to say something like this following a terrorist attack that it was anything other than just a cruel horrible event that shouldn't have happened. and never to tie it into the Palestinian cause. That's a big change. >> Yeah, I think it is, too. You're going to see, you know, the the predictable um coverage in places like the New York Post, or or even the the more mainstream

[50:08] um media like uh the Washington Post, the New York Times, even the LA Times. But I I was surprised that Mcronone came out and and and said what he what he said. Yeah, I'm a little bit torn over this because because if we're going to be opposed to attacks on civilians, then we got to be opposed to attacks on civilians. At the same time, um

[50:39] if if my if my land were were occupied and my house was taken over by some strangers from New Jersey who just came and said, "You you leave now. This is our house. >> Yeah. >> Um I I I don't know what I would do. I would probably do what these guys did. They were both shot and killed on on the scene. Um and the Israelis, you know, said the predictable things. Netanyahu went to the site of the shooting and gave a

[51:10] speech and but you're right. The bottom line here is we all have to work together to not just end this conflict, but to try to protect Palestinian human rights because the Israeli government isn't going to do it. >> And I don't think the Israeli government really cares that much about the safety and security of the Israeli people. >> I think that's right. >> Angela, thank you so much for the donation. >> Thank you, Angela. Um but do you want to ask uh do you want to answer uh Chrism

[51:41] TC? >> Yeah. Uh Andrew Bamante. So Andrew Andrew recently came out with a book in which he single-handedly, you know, brought down some mole. Funny that we never saw any reporting about any mole in the CIA. Uh but he claims to have brought down a mole. Uh, he also went on the Julian Dory podcast and he uh he waterboarded Julian incorrectly, I

[52:12] might add. And I called Julian. I was like, "Dude, what are you doing? You did it wrong." And Bamante's got his hair pulled back. Anyway, so he came out with this book last week and he says that he took down this mole and then he says that that he waterboarded people when he was at the agency. I don't think any of this is true. Andrew Bamante was a targeting analyst just like his wife. They're both targeting analysts. And as a targeting

[52:46] analyst, your job is to go through thousands and thousands, maybe even millions of pieces of data to try to discern the location of a target so that either your special activities people can go kill him or kidnap him or your operations people can go try to recruit him. Right? Bamante was not a case officer. He was not an operations officer. He was what's called a Sue, a special operations

[53:16] officer. Most of the Sue couldn't make it through operational training. I don't know why he was a Sue, but most of them just could not cut the ops ops training. A Sue then serves as an assistant to the operations people. So, if I was going to go do a particularly dangerous meeting, I would say, "Hey, Andrew, uh, put together a surveillance team and a counter surveillance team. I have this meeting. I'm going to do my surveillance detection route kickoff at 6:00. The

[53:48] meeting's at 9. Make sure I don't get shot." Or at the end of a particularly long night, I'd say, "Andrew or whoever the Sue was assigned to me, I'm tired. I got to do another surveillance detection route. When you get back to the embassy, do me a favor and do my accounting paperwork. But running around the world catching moles and then randomly flying out to secret sites to waterboard people. Uh-uh. No. One thing he's very good at is what

[54:21] at the agency we used to call SSP, shameless self-promotion. M we were taught early on you have to relentlessly promote yourself as a Superman because everybody else is promoting himself as a Superman and you're competing against these people in the promotion panels. One thing he's good at is coming across as Superman. And if if you're outside the agency and you're doing it, uh, then it's easy

[54:55] because because there's no way anybody can check your bonafites. All you have to do is say up, take my word for it, it's classified, and then that's it. >> I'm gonna I'm gonna spontaneously pop Robbie in because Robbie has something to say. He wants to just remind people to follow us over on Rumble and why. And I think it's frankly just faster to just have Robbie do it. So Robbie, sorry about this, but not sorry. Go ahead.

[55:25] >> Howdy. No, it's uh pretty dog on mercenary and capitalist. Rumble pays us more. >> Yeah. >> And so if y'all go over to Rumble, if y'all follow there, Rumble actually pays John and Ted based on watch hours and not just the pennies that that YouTube call pays. So, uh, if you just go over there, watch them, watch the show over there. They get paid more and we got to help John get that house in Greece. So, let's do it. >> Thanks. Thanks, Robbie. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> All right. I I know like my plan to move to France is not looking as exciting as

[55:57] one of the uh chatters pointed out, but you know, I mean, whatever. France will as long as the wine is good and the food is good, which will always be true, uh everything will be fine. Um, so let's uh Yeah. Do we wanna do we want to move over to um Oh, LA. Oh, we are ready for an ad. Robbie, go ahead and put it up when you're ready. >> Yeah, we should do an ad. Yeah. >> Okay. So, so LA, the Supreme Court um has deculed the district judge. Uh

[56:29] basically, the district judge was said um said, "You guys are ethnically profiling," which by's own account they are. Um, and basically, um, the there are unconstitutional roving patrols sort of basically going to car washes and Home Depot, anyone who looks Latino, a little bit taupe, um, you know, sounds Spanish, they're they get questioned about, you know, hey, are you here? Do you have papers that, you know, prove that you're legal to be here? Well, the Supreme Court just basically said they

[57:01] overturned the lower court decision, but without comment. Um, and so basically there's no decision. That to me indicates that there this is tends to be for political reasons, right? >> Yeah. >> John, while you're chewing on that one, let me read the ad. Here we go. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with you. It's political. >> You You've probably noticed Rumble is growing fast and it's not slowing down. They're building a real alternative to big tech that puts creators first and actually protects free speech. And now there's Rumble Premium. Easy way to

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[58:04] us for just one show. Uh and you wouldn't see the other stuff. Anyway, so LA I mean this I mean look I think it's pretty disgusting. Um you know we've talked about this before but I think it's worth mentioning again. you know, when you're um driving on a freeway near the Mexico border, or I guess I guess this would be true uh also anywhere in Southern California, you may well come upon a police checkpoint where there's orange cones and there's uniformed officers who slow you down, eyeball you,

[58:37] and they if they see faces that look like yours or mine, they wave us past. >> You're good to go. But if you are Latino looking in their eye, in their minds, then they pull you over and harass you. And I don't think that that if that's constitutional or if that's legal, it ought not to be. It should be made illegal. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. I agree. And to tell you the truth, Ted, I thought it was illegal.

[59:10] >> Maybe we're wrong. Maybe it's state laws that prohibit cops from doing it. I don't know. It should be It should be illegal. >> I thought Yeah, I thought ethnic profiling violated the Fourth Amendment's right um against unlawful search and seizure because there's no there's no just cause, >> right? >> Yeah. I Yeah, I would. And another thing, too, is that and this is scary. I I heard just over the weekend that that

[59:41] people here in DC have >> constitutional it's a it's a violation of the 14th amendment. >> I thought it was illegal. >> Protection clause. >> There it is. >> Here in DC, people have begun carrying their passports just because they're afraid of being scooped up. >> Yeah. >> Um there was a story about a a violinist for the was it the Salt Lake City Symphony. He was grabbed and held for three weeks. The guy's an American. He was grabbed and held for

[1:00:13] three weeks just because just because they know they can get away with it. >> Absolutely. >> So, I don't know. Seriously. >> Um, we have a question from the YouTube feed from Jace. Thoughts on Barry Weiss cashing in with CBS? >> Oh, you know what? I didn't realize that it happened. I I'll check it out. Do you know anything about it? >> No, I don't know anything. >> Sorry. Sorry, Jace. All right. Well, check it out. We'll have to depro that part of deprogramming will have to await a night uh tomorrow's show. >> Yeah, >> we'll look into that.

[1:00:45] >> And definitely. >> Yeah. And I guess the last big story of the day, unless something breaks in the next 10 minutes, is um the school prayer thing. So, um it's not like um there's ever been a prohibition against practicing your religion in school. You've always been allowed to pray. Um I was always surprised uh I I only went to public schools K through 12. Um the I was always surprised that you could that prayer groups were allowed on campus as

[1:01:15] an after-school activity. U totally okay to do that. Uh but uh Trump wants to go further and he wants to promote prayer in public schools. Uh he says there's too much anti-religious propaganda in schools. Obviously we have separation of church and state. So therefore, you can't have state sponsored prayer in schools. John, the part that I want to talk to you about, and you're a man of faith, is isn't what's [ __ ] up and weird to me is not is less the fact that

[1:01:46] Trump wants to do this than the fact that he himself is so brazenly not rel >> not religious. Not religious in any way. >> He doesn't there's he doesn't go to church. No, >> he doesn't have a spiritual advisor like many presidents had Billy Graham meet with them personally. >> Many Yes. >> Um it's like he doesn't talk about scripture. He can't reference it. He doesn't know. Remember he was asked name

[1:02:17] a line from the Bible. One line from the Bible. >> Yeah. >> Couldn't even do Jesus wept. Right. Couldn't do anything. >> The the shortest literally the shortest verse in the entire Bible. >> Couldn't do one. And Jesus wept, >> right? And so I mean, you know, this is I mean, he doesn't know any he's not a religious man. Nothing wrong with not being a religious man. >> No. >> Beautiful thing. Many Americans are not religious. But isn't it weird for people who are Christian to to to think this? I

[1:02:49] mean, to see this. I mean, how does he get away with it with his people? I know the whole God works in mysterious ways argument and that like, you know, evangelicals, some evangelicals think that, you know, Trump is doing God's bidding even though he's, you know, even though he's balls deep in Stormmy Daniels. I I don't know. I don't get it. You can you can you explain this to me at all? >> I think that he thinks that most Christians are suckers. I hate to be cynical like that, but I I believe this.

[1:03:19] He thinks most Christians are suckers. You remember when he walked out of the White House, there's this near riot situation. The chairman of the joint ste chiefs of staff goes out with him and he goes to St. John's Church, which is directly across the street from the White House where every president since James Madison has gone to services. And what's he do? He holds up a Bible and he just holds it up. Yeah. Upside down. Later he autographed it. >> Right. And then on Fox, they started

[1:03:51] selling autographs. >> Only God should be allowed to autograph the Bible. >> Yeah. >> Or his or his kid. >> But I think that it's an easy and cheap way to just uh rile up Christians who are predisposed to support him anyhow. And he realizes, ah, they're all suckers. I'm just going to keep doing this. I really believe that. >> I can't Yeah, I I can't argue with that at all. That sounds right to me. Um, but but I mean Christians aren't stupid people. >> They're no stupider than anyone else

[1:04:22] anyway. So, I mean, how is it that I mean, they they know what's going on. They know about the grift. I mean, by the way, thank you MW Knox 186 for the donation. Much appreciated. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Um, right. I mean, Christians must they know, >> don't they? Why don't they hate him for this? I would I would be so furious over the thought that I had been used as as a

[1:04:52] political prop that I would be furious. I don't understand why why he's a how he's able to get away with this. >> John, this is more for you than for me, I'm sure. Bees wants to know, can you speak to the intelligence community's role in making western western capital markets accessible to sanctioned groups via shadow banking? >> It's a complicated. >> That's a good that's a good question. >> Um, and you know, I think a lot of it is

[1:05:23] probably still classified, but think of it this way. Not only not only do the interests of the CIA sometimes diverge from the greater national interests of the United States, but they frequently diverge. I I say all the time in the in that wonderful Netflix series Narcos, you know, just as the DEA guys are gonna swoop in and get Pablo Escobar or

[1:05:55] whatever, >> the CIA station chief throws up. >> Yeah. He the CIA station chief shows up and just screws the the whole thing up. >> Well, the reason that's in the the series is because that's how it is in real life. The CIA doesn't really care what the law is, even what US law is. And oftentimes the people that they're dealing with or the governments that they're dealing with are that are friendly to the CIA are actually hostile to the State Department, to the White

[1:06:26] House, to US foreign policy. And so the CIA will arrange backdoor banking, backdoor investment, backdoor loans just to keep these outlaws going. So often times the CIA is doing something that is both illegal and antithetical to American foreign policy. Somebody also asked at the very beginning and maybe it was Starion

[1:06:56] at the very beginning of the show about the role of astrology. Has astrology ever played a role in the CIA's work? And the answer is yes. It did in the 1950s into the early 1960s as a part of that overarching MK Ultra program. Like every bit of craziness that you can come up with that had the MK Ultra label attached to it, they tried. That's insane. Insane. Yeah. Wait, wait. Time travel. >> Time travel, teleportation,

[1:07:27] >> LSD, >> all of it. Because they were panicked at the idea that the Russians were doing it too, and they were ahead of us. >> It's a little I mean, is there any link at all between that and the fact that just a decade earlier, the Nazis were also interested in the occult? Yeah, there is a link because all these people in positions of authority where they don't have to report back to the public and they have unlimited or virtually unlimited budgets think, you know what,

[1:08:00] there's probably nothing to it. But just in case there is, and it'll make me a star if it leaks out. >> My father told me about the wackiest classified story. He had told me about a bunch of them, but I'm sure this is no longer declarified because it's so old. But apparently, John, maybe you know about this, but apparently the Air Force was interested in insect mutations >> and uh as part of a cold war, and they wanted to see if they could make bugs

[1:08:31] like house flies, giant size, >> and and the plan was to like drop 10 10inch house flies on the Soviet Union. And I was like, "So what exactly did they think would happen?" And he said, "Well, we hadn't thought it through that much." See, >> and basically we thought that like, and I'm like, "So what? So if we drop the 10-in house flies on the Russians, then nobody goes outside anymore and our troops can just march into Moscow." And he's like, "Maybe, I don't know." And he's like I'm like, "Why wouldn't the

[1:09:02] Russians just go out with bats and tennis rackets and have a great time?" Also, what's going to stop these flies from coming to the United States? >> Exactly. >> I don't know. And so so he said he claimed that they actually had some success because insects, you know, they have very short lifespan. So you can have thousands of generations in a very short time. Yes. And he said the problem, of course, was he could get them to be pretty big, but they would hatch and immediately collapse upon themselves because the exoskeleton wasn't meant to like scale up to that size. So basically, they would hatch and

[1:09:34] collapse in a in a Jewy gelatinous mass. And I'm like, "Is is there video?" And he was like, "There's film." I'm like, "I want to see it, but >> oh my god." >> Your text. >> What kind of people are we? >> Oh my god. >> [ __ ] idiots. Meanwhile, people literally I couldn't have, you know, I couldn't go to the doctor for my rat bite. >> Yeah. >> But, you know, but that's where our money is going. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. >> Um Oh, yeah. Yeah. uh your little

[1:10:04] dialectical boo on Rumble saying I might remember that they tried to put an antenna in a house cat and don't forget the Russians had had a spy beluga. >> They Oh, the spy beluga actually like transmitted data back to them. Um >> and there are and there's spy there spy dolphins and corpuses, right? >> Yeah, that's right. And pigeons, you know, we we trained pigeons for years to land on the window sills of the Soviet embassy here in Washington

[1:10:35] >> just to pick up vibrations from that was the problem. They land on the window sill and they're couping and it screws up the sound. >> And then there's the And then there's the uh Havana syndrome, right? Probably a >> Oh yeah. Oh my god. Hav I I I curse whoever implemented Havana syndrome because my phone rings off the freaking hook from people who have Havana syndrome. And you know for so long I thought ah well it's probably just a nut until friends of mine started getting it

[1:11:06] and now I have to be I'm I'm actually a believer in Havana syndrome. >> So you think that that you think this was a Cuban or whatever attempt to >> or American or Chinese? Yeah. I I don't think it was the Cubans. Yeah, I don't. And I'll tell you why. Because when the story >> They denied it like >> when the story first broke, I was in Cuba. I happened to be in Cuba and the Cubans made a huge production out of saying we will open the books. We will

[1:11:39] open the the files. We'll work with the Americans and give them everything that they ask for. And that just told me that no, this isn't >> Campbell on YouTube is reminding us, wasn't Nancy Reagan influenced into the war on drugs by an astrologologist? >> Yes, very much so. >> By the way, speaking of astrology, we now learn that the due to the rotation of the earth, u we know that actually like all of our signs are off by about one sign from when they were conceived

[1:12:09] 2,000 years ago. So like I think I'm a Virgo, but actually I'm a Leo. [Laughter] Oh my god. So they that's probably what went wrong with Nancy Reagan and the war on drugs. The astrologer was just off by roughly 9%. >> Wow. Okay. I'll tell you what, today is an unusually clear day. There's not much uh humidity. It's going to be clear all

[1:12:40] night. It also happens to be one day after the brightest orange moon of the year. So, I'm going to go out there with my telescope. >> Why is it orange? >> Um, it's just the position of the of the sun behind behind the Earth if you're on the east coast and it's nighttime. >> It's just one of those things. It happens once a year. And so, here it is. So, in China, I think it's in China, um there's a a lunar eclipse last night or

[1:13:11] was a lunar eclipse last night. So, I'm going to try and get some pictures tonight. >> All right. Sounds good. Yeah. For people who aren't familiar, John, you have a uh ast what do what we call this? Astronomical photography. >> Is that Yeah. Yeah. Astronomical photography. I've been putting them on Facebook as I do them and they're good. >> Getting better and better. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's fun. It's time consuming. I always look at them. >> Thanks very much. >> Um, so you have to do like long exposures, right?

[1:13:41] >> Yeah. Long exposure. Yeah. And and for people who know me personally, they know that I have an utterly irrational fear of mosquitoes. And um, so it's hard for me to sit out there at night for two hours dealing with mosquitoes. I freaking hate it. But, you know, we all have our cross to bear. That's really funny. Uh yeah. Um >> you know, one other thing. The night that we captured up as a beta, >> um there were mosquitoes all over the

[1:14:13] hospital and I I was freaked out by them because I couldn't take the chloricquin because um it gave me such terrible nightmares. So, I just stopped taking the chloricquin, which prevents malaria once the malarial mosquito >> bites you. So, I'm just taking my my chances with the mosquito. I go into Abu Zubeda's room to wait for him to come out of surgery and it's like a cloud of mosquitoes in there. I'm like, great. So, I put the ceiling fan on high blast

[1:14:43] and this was March. It was a little bit cold, you know? So, I'm sitting there like this. I'm freezing and this FBI agent comes in. He goes, "Dude, it's freezing in here. What are you doing?" I said, "I would rather freeze to death than be bitten by a Pakistani mosquito. Not going to happen tonight. >> By the way, I assume you know this following factoid, right? But mosquitoes will not fly if it's over 64 degrees. >> I did not know that. And it's going to be in the high 50s tonight. Okay.

[1:15:14] >> You're safe. >> Thank you, Ted. >> You're welcome. And with that, uh, thank you again everyone for joining us. Uh, today's Monday, September 8th. Tomorrow we'll be back Tuesday 5:00 Eastern time as we are Monday through Friday here on Drogram with me Ted R and John Kuryaku and we appreciate your donations. Please like, follow, and share the show. As producer Robbie uh indicated it is best for us if you can watch us on Rumble. So what a lot of people are doing who aren't really that excited about Rumble is they they watch us sort of

[1:15:45] simultaneously. They just have the Rumble run in the background and they watch us on YouTube. that works. You know, >> we're actually we're actually able to make a go of this thanks to you guys watching on Rumble. It's it's that important. Thank you. >> Star Lion is saying astrology still works ignoring the constellations because it's really more about the seasons or something earth related and not star related. >> All right. Okay. I don't I mean know the lunar movements I mean obviously affects

[1:16:16] tides and all that. That has to be that has to affect things. And cops swear by the idea of the full moon stuff. >> Yeah. >> So, more crime, more weirdness on full during full moons. >> I think it's just because you can see better and weirdos can don't need a flashlight. But what do I know? >> All right, guys. Um anyway, uh let Oh my god, what am I doing here? Why do I not have this? Okay. All right. There we go. >> Great. Thank you.

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