Title: Going to Ground | DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2026-03-30
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX3gFG9MZwY
Duration: 3617

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[00:08] Good morning. It is Monday, March 30th, 2026. You're watching the program with Ted R and John Kuryaku. Good morning, John. >> Good morning, Ted. >> Busy, busy show this morning. Uh we're going to do news. Uh we have something weird and disturbing to talk to you about after the news. We have uh guest Pickax CEO Jeff Dornick coming on to talk about free speech. That'll be kind of an appropriate segue to what we'll be talking about right after the news. Um

[00:38] just a a little bit of housekeeping. TMI show, no TMI show today. U Manila is out sick. Hopefully she's getting better and she'll be back tomorrow. Uh the um we'll be starting our exclusive Q&A, all Q&A shows Monday and Wednesday. This coming Wednesday, not today. Wednesday at 12:00 noon. We're here Monday through Friday, 9:00 am Eastern time. Um Robbie, I've got to ask you for a little bit of tech assistance here. Those um audios that I want to play. Uh Streamyard doesn't let me play them. They let me add video.

[01:10] They don't let me add audio. So, if you can sort of figure out how we can play them here, that would be great. >> Do you know what I mean? >> Yep. I do probably have to go through OBS and not that. So, if we can't make it play play today, we'll have to play them tomorrow. >> Um, okay. That's unfortunate. Uh, okay. I tried to >> Well, actually, it'll let you do video. >> They'll let you do video. So, if you can convert them to video files, it says it needs a video track is what Streamyard's saying. >> Hold on. I I' I've got you. I'm your

[01:40] huckleberry. >> All right. So, you got 15 20 minutes to work on it. So, >> good. How many of these do you want? Just a couple of them. >> Um, there's three. Well, yeah. just just choose like, you know, choose like three. >> I'm just grabbing what y'all I'm just grabbing all dropped here. >> All right. Thank you, Robbie. Appreciate that. All right. So, uh let's get to it. Um the in the Middle East, uh John, we'll just get to it right away. Right. So, um Okay. So, obviously, um the much anticipated ground war looks like it's

[02:11] about to happen. Thousands of American troops are now in the Middle East. And Trump says he's definitely seems to be leaning towards attacking Car Island. He says he wants to take Iran's oil. Um, you know, that's not an idol threat after what? >> No, no, that's a big deal. >> Um, uh, it's also such a war crime, it's off the charts. Um, and then I think the big story really truly is, uh, Yemen get, uh, the Houthis getting involved. Um, Bob El Mand Mandeb, I'm sure I'm butchering the pronunciation. Oh, that's

[02:41] right. The Babel Mandep. >> So that's the basically that's the straight that goes to the Red Sea. It's the equivalent of the straight of Hormuz, but >> correct. And it's so narrow it's like 9 miles across. >> Much narrower than the straight of Hormuz. >> Yeah. Much narrower. >> So that's um so that little straight separates Yemen from Djibouti and Eratria. Um and it's kind of like how wide it It's just north of where the Gulf of Aiden where those Somali pirates always notoriously operate like Captain

[03:11] Phillips and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, the the Houthis um have been discounted in all this, John, let's just start with the Houthis. How serious how serious of a factor are the Houthis here? Well, the reason, excuse me, the reason why we thought the Houthis would not be a factor is because they came to an agreement with the United States to stop attacking uh US ships and US warships. And so we just as a country, we just collectively kind of forgot about them. >> But they launched a missile strike on

[03:42] Israel that connected. And um and so so long as the Houthis have a supply of missiles, even though they're not guided missiles, they can sort of point them in the general right direction and at least frighten people. They might, you know, hit a neighborhood or or something. So this is this is kind of a big deal. Not because it's necessarily going to do some damage so much as it's going to frighten people and distract the Israelis. So now the

[04:12] Israelis not don't just have to worry about the Iranians and their incoming drones and missiles. Now they have to worry about the Houthis as well >> and the and the Lebanese. >> I was just going to say the Iranians are bus are have a multiffront war going on, right? I mean they're still engaged in ethnic cleansing in in West Bank and Gaza. Um they're they're genociding in Gaza. They're invading southern Lebanon. The AP has officially designated it an invasion. Um, you know, I mean, I think an invasion is technically whenever you go into a country you don't belong in.

[04:44] Um, and then there's, uh, you know, and now Yemen and Iran. I mean, that's a lot for a little tiny, you know, highly belligerent country to to chew. >> It is. And while the Israelis cross the Lebanese border with ease every time they want to do it and and slaughter as many people as they want to slaughter, it's never a long-term strategy. You just can't you can't maintain it. It's an untenable policy. And so it looks this time as if the

[05:19] Israelis are seeking a buffer zone. This is something that you raised a couple of weeks ago, Ted. You said rhetorically, are the Israelis looking for a buffer zone? I think that's exactly what they're doing. >> Basically, south of the Latani River is >> the Latani River, it looks like is going to be the dividing line. >> But the thing is is you can't well, you can internally displace hundreds of thousands of people. There are 900,000 civilians that are internally displaced right now in Lebanon. This is a humanitarian catastrophe. And of course,

[05:51] the Israelis don't care, but um the issue of invading up to the Latutani River and then permanently holding the territory south of the Latani River, this is new. It the Israelis um they're they seem to in in that in that area south of the Latani, they've already begun kind of Gaza like demolition operations where they're raising everything. John, what's that about? What what is the I mean what is the what is the tact what what why is that a tactic like what an occupied occupying

[06:24] army gain from that >> this is all about um Hezbollah rocket attacks on Jewish settlements in northern Israel there are settlements within like two or three kilometers of the Lebanese border. Why in the world you would want to set up a settlement right there within like literally a hand grenades distance, you know, from the Lebanese border is a mystery to me, but the Israelis have. And so one of the things that that these settlements have to deal with all the time is incoming

[06:55] Hezbollah rockets. Usually shoulder fired rockets. Sometimes they connect. They destroy houses. Every once in a while they'll kill somebody. They they hit a a school playground. I don't know a year or two years ago and and uh killed a couple of adults who happen to be there at the playground just kind of standing around. So this is this is all part of the I'm going to use the term the greater Israel, not that giant swath that includes Saudi Arabia and all of Jordan and all that stuff. Greater Israel, meaning a chunk of Syria, a

[07:29] chunk of of uh of Lebanon, the West Bank, Gaza that the Israelis want for the protection of settlers. >> So flat flattening Lebanese homes and turning basically turning southern Lebanon into like what they did in Gaza, turning it into a gravel parking lot. Yeah. Um, is that about trying to deny uh those who would be firing weapons into Israel a place to hide and set up those launchers? Is that what it's about? >> Yes. But all that's going to happen is

[08:00] they're going to move. The technology is going to improve. They're going to get more distance out of their rockets >> and then the Israelis going to have to cross the Latani River and go on to the north side of the Latani River. It's just going to get worse and worse and worse. And God forbid anybody should either start treating people like human beings or engage in some sort of peace talks even indirectly. God forbid >> it's easier just to you know commit crimes against humanity. >> Totally. Um so yeah know I agree. Look I

[08:32] think the Houthis are a big deal too. Um you know that's uh you know you were asking about by the way I just want to answer like you know why would the Israelis have settlements three miles from the border? I don't know. Why would you have a music festival 3 kilometers away from the the border with Gaza, right? >> That's exactly right. >> It's bizarre. Um or or or a kabutz, right? >> It's some arrogance, man. >> It is. Um so I guess they're like, "Well, it's all ours, so we get to we're going to control every little bit of it." So with before we move on from the

[09:02] from the from the Houthis, I mean, the threat is huge, right? Like I you know, I used to work in banking and business. I mean, shipping, they're not going, if there's a 1% chance that like your tanker is gonna is going to take a Houthi missile, you're not sending that tanker through there. >> You're just Look at it this way, too. The Persian Gulf accounts for 65% of the world's fertilizer. So 65% of the

[09:34] world's fertilizer has to go through the straight of horm. And as if that isn't bad enough, it then splits. Half of it goes east to Asia. Half of it goes west to the Baba Manddev >> to then go through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal. And if the Houthies are armed and blowing up ships again, this is going to be bad.

[10:05] Ted, I've lost I' I've lost your audio. I don't know if it's you or me. I'm going to hit refresh on mine. >> How's that? >> Good. You're good. How am I? >> Yeah, I can hear you now. Okay, great.

[10:35] That was very strange. I wonder if my computer's just getting old or Well, we're having some security breaches. Um, let's say that >> indeed. >> Uh, all right. Let's do some questions from leftover from Friday. So, just a reminder, the new schedule, right? Q&A Wednesday, uh, Monday and Wednesday, starting this Wednesday, uh, April 1st at 12 noon. So, as usual, we love your questions. We'll take them during this show. Uh, this show is going to be really packed, but we're gonna any questions we don't get to today, the super chats will be kicked over into the

[11:05] next show, Wednesday, and then, uh, all of those, anything that's left over will end up in the, um, in the the Q&A only show on Wednesday at noon. All right, let's do these leftovers. All right, UK fan man, thanks for the five bucks. Why is Hebrew the only language considered when using the term anti-semitic in is this not disrespectful to all the all the other Semitic languages? Every Arab I know makes exactly the same argument. And of course of course the writer is absolutely correct.

[11:36] Semitism does not mean Jewishness. >> No, >> it means people from the Semitic tribes and that includes the Arabs. So, yeah, that's exactly right. >> Uh, let's see. Uh, Desert Fox41, thanks for the dollar. What do you guys make of the Epstein Rothschild connection? He brags about it in his emails with Peter Teal. Also, f thoughts on the French guard and Italian avantgard and Italian. I'm watching some Depalier and Fellini this Friday. We won't talk about

[12:07] Depalier's um sexual proclivities, but >> uh great actor. Um, I love the Yeah. Uh, I'm not a I'm not a huge Fellini fan, John. Um, >> you know, Ted, I've got to agree. I've And I've tried and and I thought, maybe it's me. Maybe I'm just an idiot and I don't understand. >> I think I'm dumb. >> But I Yeah, I just >> I tried. I mean, you know, I went to a very pretentious college. They showed all those movies and, you know, at the student union. Uh, and it was just like

[12:40] I don't care about Eight and a Half or any of that that [ __ ] No. And I wanted to >> Yeah. >> I wanted to be one of those like, oh, Fellini like Paul Thomas Anderson of >> Fellini. >> Paul Thomas Anderson. I just can't, you know, not really. Um, >> I've come around. >> Oh, sorry. Wes Anderson. Wes Anderson. Sorry. Not >> Oh, no. Wes Anderson. No, I I'm not a fan. >> It's too >> Just like Just like uh Oh, what's his name? Locktock and Two Smoking Barrels. Um, he was married to Madonna. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. Who told this

[13:11] guy he should be a a director? Like he's never made any he's never made a single decent movie. And another one uh what's his face that did The Great Gatsby and Elvis. Hey Ted, I assume that you're not calling me right now. Is that correct? >> That is correct. I am not calling you right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. God, what a dick. >> Here, I want to show you. All right, here we go. >> Dead raw is calling.

[13:42] >> Uhhuh. Yep. Yep. That's a little teaser. >> Uh let's see. Uh let me let me put this putting Yeah. Well, we'll we'll get to that in a minute or two. Um all right, we'll do a few more questions and we'll we'll get straight to that. What's going on with John and I who are being harassed? Um okay. Uh Palestinians lived and live under brutal apartheid and have gone through unspeakable horrors. What can they do to win as a people? I'm a contact I'm in contact with a few.

[14:14] Well, that's a big big >> huge question. >> I went to a fundraiser Friday night for a guy named uh Abdul Ased. It's actually Abdul Rahman sayed. He's um he's a medical doctor running for the US Senate in Michigan. >> You slime ball mother. >> Okay. Sorry. He um he graduated from the University of Michigan, went to medical school at Columbia University, became a road scholar, and then when he got back from

[14:46] the UK, uh became an epidemiologist, and he's running for US Senate from Michigan. He is a proud Palestinian. And somewhat to my surprise at the fundraiser, his talk was about healthcare, healthcare, healthcare, healthcare. And then at the very end, a little bit about Palestine, but you can tell he's very passionate about Palestine as well. But it was all about healthcare. And I thought to myself, man, we should have a hundred senators like this guy.

[15:16] I I very proudly wrote that check at the end of the night. >> That's one way of doing it. I and I'll add in the 1990s there was a real debate in the Muslim community in Michigan about whether it was acceptable for Muslims to participate in American elections. And I don't know what just happened. I think Ted fell out, but that's okay. It was about whether or not uh Muslims should

[15:47] participate in American elections. And imams weighed in and imams said that that yes, of course, Muslims should participate. It's the only way to affect change. But it took 20 years. >> Hey, John. >> Yeah, there you go. John's not calling Ted. No. And I'm not calling John because we have a radio show. We're live on the air. >> Morons.

[16:18] >> Uh >> so um so it's only now that Muslims are really coming around to participating fully in the American political process and that's a good thing. And you know change is incremental and it's very slow and it could take a century but you got to start with that first step and the first step is participating fully in the political process. >> Wow. Uh okay. So, um, let's do a and I also I'm going to say for the Palestinians, honestly, this is going to be sound weird. I think they are

[16:48] winning. I mean, basically, you know, we talk about how the Iranians are winning by surviving. and the Palestinians are surviving and global public opinion particularly in among the American people who are the you know their you know Israel's closest allies the US is is sh is is shrinking and it's never coming back especially because young people really don't support Israel uh and they're going to get older and more powerful and more influential and old people who support Israel are going to die you know Palestinians be playing the

[17:21] long game and they're going to win they are going to I agree with that wholeheartedly. >> I want to live I want to live long enough to see it, but I think it's going to happen. >> Okay. Um, Zelu, uh, thanks for the 999. What are the likely political consequences of the war with Iran? It's going to be the destruction of the Donald Trump um, administration. I think I agree. >> It's the end of the MAGA movement >> and I I agree with that as well. Um this is this is a a very serious split within

[17:53] the Republican party. So many Republican voters really believed in the you know end to foreign wars message of the uh of the Trump campaign and um and Marco Rubio is running the show and Marco Rubio is a John McCain style neocon. >> Yes. Uh yes he is. Um with even less even less but with less charisma. Um, good morning gents. Uh, [ __ ] is really

[18:23] [ __ ] us. Uh, this orange [ __ ] is really [ __ ] us. Uh, this morning Spain closed its airspace to the US. Any idea of any other EU countries will join this idea? I should also say, John, that um there's gas rationing uh around the corner in the UK. Um thoughts on on Ukraine signing with Gulf I mean like next week uh signing with Gulf states into in the defense agreement. Thanks men # pardon John. Thanks Arian for the 1999.

[18:53] >> Ted, you just called me a second, third, fourth, and fifth time. >> I'm a busy boy. I can I can call you multiple times while I >> Now Now your sixth call is trying to come through. >> I think it's time to talk about this. John, do you Yeah, you >> please go ahead. >> So, a couple of weeks ago, I uh started getting calls from some [ __ ] [ __ ] uh using a Google Voice number uh based in New York, a 917 number.

[19:23] >> And he's this cowardly anonymous [ __ ] hiding behind anonymous phone uh message phone numbers. He's calling me now for the seventh time. And um and it started off with he says, "You stupid piece of [ __ ] Uh stop talking about Raza Palvi." Well, let me tell you about Ra Palvi. First of all, Raza Palvi is the coward son of the former Sha of Iran. He [ __ ]

[19:54] his brother's wife. His brother then committed suicide. Raza Palvi is afraid of his own [ __ ] shadow. And I said multiple in multiple venues that if he were to return to Iran, which is exactly what the Israelis want because he's an he's a Mossad stoogge, um that he wouldn't survive the walk from the plane to the terminal. I stand by that. >> I agree with that. I agreed with it then, I agree with it now. >> Yeah. So,

[20:24] >> and also he's dumb as us. >> And he's dumb. And that's even maybe worse than being a coward. He's just dumb. So, um, so this coward who hiding behind anonymity started calling calling me a piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] He's going to [ __ ] me up the ass. And all this stuff. And then I would block the number. He'd get another Google Voice number. I'd block that one. He got a third. I blocked that. Um, and then the death threats

[20:54] began. Mhm. >> And my response to death threats is usually a pretty standard, "Bring it on, tough guy. Bring it on." Because, as Ted pointed out before the show started, >> real assassins don't [ __ ] talk about it, especially through anonymous Google voice numbers, >> right? >> Just do it in silence. >> And this [ __ ] guy, he just called me now the eighth time. Um, he's all talk. this this tough guy with

[21:25] his vaguely Iranian Hebrew accent. >> Um, >> shall we shall we play? Uh, >> yeah, let's play. >> All right, let's let's put this up. So, this is one. Uh, Robbie, thank you for converting this. I'm going to put Robbie up here, too. Um, so here we go. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna make this uh I know I got it to work before. All right, here we go. You slime ball [ __ ] You don't talk about resin. Havi again. You [ __ ] hear me? [ __ ] you, ass licker.

[21:59] Steven Morrison. >> Answer the phone, [ __ ] >> Yep. >> It's a lot of repetition. >> A lot of repetition. He's not terribly bright. He doesn't have very much in his quiver. Um, but uh yeah, that's that's pretty much it. And the funny thing is, you know, with the new iOS download, and I'm sure you have the same situation. Um, if if a number isn't

[22:31] saved in my in my um phone, >> it just goes directly to voicemail. >> Yeah, that that's that's how I have it set up now. So, >> so this guy is not bothering me in any way. Uh, and that's fine. And and Ted and I text each other constantly. So Ted calling me, you know, eight consecutive times, especially while we're here on the show. He's like, "Buddy, are you [ __ ] brain damaged?" He's calling again right now. "Are you [ __ ] brain damaged?"

[23:01] >> Yeah. >> So yeah, there's something obviously he's out of his [ __ ] mind. I mean, the thing is like, you know, I mean, I've read a lot about these kind of creepy stalker [ __ ] Yeah. And um you know obviously uh look he's going to get what he deserves because you know we're >> just like Raza Palv is going to get what he deserves. He's going to get a fist up his ass >> and he and he >> and he's going to say thank you sir. May I have another? >> He's never going to be the leader of Iran. Never. >> Like like his degenerate torturing father. >> Yeah. His degenerate father who died

[23:34] like a whimpering coward. >> So this guy's Yeah. And he's like, you know, basically it's like this [ __ ] monarchist idiot. Like it's 2026. You're a monarchist? What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? >> Seriously. >> You know, the only the only monarchists among Iranians are living in Beverly Hills and being, you know, supported by in the pay of the Israeli Mossad. So, you know, you people are not impressive. >> No. No. They're making fools of

[24:05] themselves on social media. He's also not not as smart as he thinks he is. Let's just put that out there. >> He will be caught and um you know about that. >> Let's talk about that. >> Let's talk about that. Yeah, >> Robbie. Yeah, >> you're a tech guy. What can you tell us? Well, uh, what's pretty cool is that whenever you make a voice over IP over IP call, so long as you have a date, a time, and a phone number, uh, if you know what you're doing, which

[24:36] of course I know what I'm doing, you're able to trace it back. Now, I can't get your I can't get your phone number without a warrant, but I know I know where you are. And here's the best part. Um, I have successfully given you a digital colonoscopy and you're too stupid to even realize it. I'm I am tickling your tonsils as we speak. >> We know exactly what >> I have got six reports with your IP address and everything. I know that you're using Google. I've got the reports. I'm looking at them right here.

[25:06] I sent them all to John and Ted. Uh, fortunately, John, he has a lot of friends in the FBI and what you're doing is a felony. >> Yeah. And so, >> and guess what John this morning? John called his friends at the FBI. >> So, yeah. So, go on ahead. I mean, you're harassing my friends. Now, personally, I'm offended >> that you think so little of me that you can't harass me. I mean, of the people on this show, let's be honest. I'm the one that usually gets the most hate and vitrial, racist, white nationalist, Nazi. No one

[25:39] can bother me. It's like, no, I can't be bothered with this. I'm just going to just I'm I'm going to harass the the two lefties who are who are the moderates. >> I feel left out personally. I'm personally offended the next time next time. >> Do you really think honestly you're going to scare John Kiryaku? >> Oh, please go [ __ ] yourself. >> Really? Like like he's afraid of you. I mean I mean you know he knows he's had real reasons to be afraid and you're not one of them, >> you know. That's right. >> Really truly. >> Yeah. We got you, [ __ ] We got you.

[26:13] >> And the FBI is going to get you next. >> So, and by the way, >> bring it on, baby. >> It would not be sad if someone were to recognize his voice. And uh yeah, >> Trump, yeah, let us know if you if you know him. >> Ted, are you able to are you able to display one of the reports that I sent you? So that way he knows I'm not bluffing. I I don't know if you can shout in StreamYard or not. >> Yes, I I think I can. Um let's see. Uh >> listen, I talk slow. My family tree got too many forks, but I'm not as [ __ ] as a Iranian monarchist.

[26:46] >> Seriously, it's like >> God people get with the program. Your shahen sha is not coming back. >> So, let me let me uh sorry, I got I got to do a couple steps to uh make this happen here. >> Um Robbie, do we have any more questions? like we while we're uh dealing with >> not the outstanding ones, but I've not been watching the chat this morning from converting those audios over into video and stuff. So, >> okay. So, we'll get in there and uh and and get some of those. Um >> here I've got I can't show it, but

[27:18] here's what I here's what I have. Uh so, unfortunately, because it would violate uh YouTube's terms of service, I can't give y'all the the phone number for this [ __ ] However, what I can tell you uh is that the time that he called it was 3:28 226 at 1500 as a voice over IP uh came in through it came in through Google and let's just keep on going here, shall we? Let me go and let me pull up the latest report. John, go ahead and send me the >> Oh, I have I have it now ready to go.

[27:48] >> Oh, great. >> Here's the report image file. I just cut and pasted it. I hope that's okay. >> That's fine. Um, >> yeah, because I've got a bunch I got a bunch of them. I got these for days. >> That's true. You do? Oh, [ __ ] Why is it not coming up? Um, >> he doesn't like you. >> I know. I'm having file type. Really? Okay. >> Shoot, >> Robbie. Robbie. Um, okay. Let me I can do this. I know I can do this. >> Yeah. So, well, but Well, here's one

[28:19] right here. Uh, so just kind of give youall an idea about what y'all's favorite Red Deck is able to do here. It's kind of fun. This is the kind of work I I I enjoy doing more than producing. I enjoy screwing people. So, the carrier is Google Grand Central. I see that you're using an SVR protocol, which is really kind of lame. You should really up your game. Maybe you should start spending some more money on a better system. >> Seriously, dope. >> No, if you can't do that, you should go stick your dick in a kn. That's all right. >> He could if he could even find his little micro dick. >> I mean, yeah, like him and Mark Levin.

[28:52] Uh, so I did the lookup response. I see that the phone number is based out of New York City. And I see that, like I said, he's using an SVR wrapper with a 910 area code, but the mobile country code is 311. So, what's nice is that if some dumb uneducated hick like me who's never been to college can get all this information, John of the FBI will be so do so much better with the metadata I'm sending you. So, please keep doing it. >> Yeah. And I hope and I hope that you're an immigrant so your ass gets deported. Yeah, that would be good. That's a

[29:23] deportation that Ted R could get fully behind. >> Yeah, I'm for that. >> Off to Secot. Bye. Okay. Thank you, Robbie. All right. Well, I'll keep Robbie on stage here. Uh joining us uh for uh the join for our next section is Jeff Dornick. He's the CEO of Pickax. Uh pickaxe.com. I'm active on Pickax as uh as is Robbie. I know. Uh John, I don't know if you're on there or not, but if you're not, you should be. >> I apologize. So, uh, Pickax is, um, a,

[29:53] uh, free speech oriented platform. They all say they are, but, as far as I can tell, Pickax really is. So, Jeff, thanks for joining us. >> No, thanks for having me on. Been looking forward to chatting with all you guys. >> So, Robbie, you want to tee this one up? >> Yeah. So, Jeff Dornick is a is a friend of mine. He is uh the CEO of Pickax. I've been on I was one of the one of the first people on Pickax. It's pretty pretty cool. over there's Putinbot Gaming of all the appropriate monikers for the MAGARite and uh just just an

[30:24] awesome guy. He's a free speech absolutist. He has made it his mission to fight big tech and the censorship that they do. And uh we have talked more than once about this big split that's happened on the right specifically with uh know Trump's full embrace of neoconism, the abandonment of his base and frankly the self-destruction of of his movement. And I just really just want to just bring you on, Jeff, and see what what is it that you're hearing from the people that you that you run with

[30:56] about how Trump has just gone full John McCain with frankly an a illegal unconstitutional war of aggression against a sovereign nation without congressional approval. >> What are you hearing on your end? >> Well, it's it it's interesting because it's like when you when you look at the Republican base, it's it's been extremely it's been extremely splintered. I think that's obvious to any to to anybody kind of looking at it, but it's like historically it used to be you'd have the traditional Republicans versus the MAGA Republicans. And now you've got MAGA kind of being splintered

[31:28] off into all these different factions and all that. And to where I I think I think that the thing is that we're seeing is that you've got Trump is kind of redefining America first, redefining MAGA, and to really the only people that are really supporting a lot of these actions by the Trump administration are the neocons and the Trump sickants is is really what it comes down to. because a lot of the people that actually bought into his America first agenda and bought into his campaign promises of no foreign interventionist wars, no regime changes,

[31:59] which by the way we've had what what are we two going on three regime changes now within the first year of his presidency. Um you know like a lot of people that I'm talking to, they're like this is not what we voted for and then if you start questioning it then all the sickopants start coming after you and trying to destroy you. And that's why uh I think it was last night or the night before uh you know one of my good friends Brandon Stro who uh the founder of Walkaway he spoke at CPAC and he basically just kind of called everybody out where he's like guys can we can we knock off all all of the the personal smears and trying to

[32:31] destroy people just because they have legitimate questions about our own government or a foreign government. He's like last I checked that's kind of what patriotism is supposed to be. You're supposed to challenge the status quo. You're supposed to challenge what the government is doing. ask questions and don't just go along. So, it's we're in a very weird place right now, I think, especially on on the right, which historically I've been, and I've kind of been trending a little bit away from from the Republican party as of late, but it's it's it's been interesting to kind of see the developments happening, especially under this uh Trump 2.0.

[33:04] Uh Jeff, I I mean just before you came on, John and I both kind of agreed that the uh the major political implication of the Iran war uh is the is going to be the destruction of the Trump administration and of the MAGA movement. Um do you think that's that's that's putting too extreme a point on it or is I mean is it is the threat really of a of a schism that exist as ex existential as John and I think? >> Yeah. Well, I I think that there there's lots of things that are contributing to

[33:34] it and and I think I think I think the I think the Iran war specifically I think really I think made it a a point of no return for for a lot of people of like like okay so we we've been we were promised the Epstein files, we were promised the 9/11 files. We were promised transparency. We were promised that you know like I've had Cash Patel on my show. We were promised cash is going to get in there and drain the swamp and in the deep state control within the agencies and all that kind of stuff. Has anything happened? Where's the arrests? Where is the cor where are we dealing with the corruption? Where

[34:06] are we actually deal dealing with all of this? But I I think everybody was still kind of holding on of okay, at least we're not at war. At least we're not, you know, like, you know, getting, you know, going back to, you know, we're being the world's police and all that. And then all of a sudden, here we are and we had Venezuela where, you know, Trump took out, you know, had basically had a regime change. Now, we're dealing with Iran. And I think from a lot of the people that I've talked to that's close to the Trump administration, I think that my guess, and again, I can only base upon certain conversations, I think that Trump kind of thought that, okay,

[34:36] we we were in and out in Venezuela. We got the regime change we wanted. Great. Let's go do that in Iran. And I think he bought into the narrative that they could do that. And it's like, now he's in there. And now it's like, okay, we're not getting out of this really quick. Uh, how is this going to be? I think I forget I think was it was JD Vance that was just you know basically projecting we could be there another year or two. I think the goalpost keeps getting pushed off down the road. It's it's it's like at what at what point are is the Trump administration going to learn their lesson that they're listening to the wrong people. They're listening to the

[35:07] very people that they said that they were going to drain out of the swamp and then turning their back on his base that actually bought into his agenda when he first started running for president. >> Yeah. I have a question for you, Jeeoff. This is this is weird. This doesn't make any sense to me. I'm a right-winger. I voted for Trump in 2016 because I wanted something different. He was saying all the right things. He warned me when he called W a war criminal on Valentine's Day and the debate and crucified uh Jeb with the exclamation point on national TV. I was like, this is my guy. And Mark

[35:40] Levin and Ben Shapiro were blasting Trump. Now they are America first and I'm not. They're the ones that Trump is going to listen to, the people who are never Trumpers. And so he's just going to just completely abandon the people who got him to the dance not once but twice for the same people who were his enemies in the first place. And what world is this saying? Yeah. Well, I feel like I feel like everything is upside down, backwards, and it just feels it just feels bonkers to me because because none of none of this makes any any sense

[36:12] because none of this is the agenda that Trump laid out. None of this is what he pitched to his base and that his base voted for. I mean I mean a big reason why Trump won this last election was because of you know you bring in the RFK Juniors and the Tulsi Gabbards and and the you know center the the center right center left kind of coalition because of we're getting we're not going to be the police of the world. We're not going to be a part of the forever wars. We're not going to be a part of the regime changes. And and I think and I think that then he gets in there and then who

[36:44] and then who is he listening to? He's listen he's listening to Lindsey Graham who by the way is down in uh Disney World last I checked based on a TMZ report and and you're just sitting here and you're like is this like everything is backwards like and then his base and this this is one of my biggest frustrations. His base then will be the sick of fans that they are and then try to defend and justify every single thing that he does. defend the fact that he that he'll he'll uh you know say that Lindsey Graham is is MAGA and Thomas Massie is a traitor and and you're like

[37:17] everything everything is backwards. I I it just none of this makes any sense except for the fact that the that the neocons are running the show within the Trump White House. I don't see any other justification. >> Do you see um the the sort of the anti-neocon faction as what it has been reported to be? That would be J. D. Vance and Tulsi Gabbard and maybe uh the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, although that that may be uh apocryphal. Do you see that being the case? And if

[37:49] so, is Tulsi Gabbard short for this administration? Yeah, I I I I think that for and I think even Trump acknowledged, I think it was yesterday or the day before, basically over the weekend, that that Tulsi doesn't necessarily see eye to eye with him on on Iran and she's not as in his words not as strong, you know, on this as as he is. But he but he made it seem like that that's okay and we take different perspectives and different positions within the administration. I don't necessarily know if uh if Tulsi would and and people like her would be pushed out by Trump himself. I could see

[38:22] it happening from some, you know, people within his administration, you know, like the Susie Wilds type type of type of people. Um, but I I think that what what we're what we're really seeing is I think it's going to come to a head at a certain point because if you're if you're Tulsi Gabbard, who doesn't believe in a lot of these foreign interventionist wars, um, has been very opposed to Iran, I think from what I understand as well, like she she disagrees with the intelligence that Trump is basing the justification on going to war with Iran. you know, at a certain point it's going to come to a

[38:52] head and then is she going to be have is she going to be forced into either doing things that she believes is morally wrong or is she going to be forced into either getting fired or pulling a Joe Kent? I think at a certain point there it's going to come to a head and I I don't necessarily think that that the that the anti-neocon crowd within the Trump administration will be able to continually stand by when you know we're we're you know already dealing with Iran. We're going to be stuck there in

[39:23] the Middle East for who knows how long. And then what are we gonna do? We're gonna go into Cuba next. What what's what's after that? What like at what point is enough enough? >> Yeah. Jeff, why do you think I mean we all agree that you know this is not what Trump promised and he appointed people you know personnel is policy right he appointed the wrong personnel now we've got the wrong policy um why did he appoint the wrong personnel I mean how did that happen how I mean you know he why did he choose people like Marco

[39:53] Rubio uh why didn't he bring in people who were more skeptical of the forever wars >> honestly you know this this is what we were told throughout this last campaign was that Trump 1.0 he made he made a lot of mistakes in in hiring Trump 2.0 it's going to be different. We're going to get the right people in there. I think a lot of people thought that it would be when you had him bringing in people like Tulsi and RFK Jr. and you bring on, you know, for you know as as crappy as Doge was, you bring on Elon Musk and you know the quote unquote the best of the best, right? But at at this at the same time

[40:26] you're you're looking at this you're like it's kind of a repeat if not worse than Trump 1.0 know with with a lot of the internal hirings that that are the closest to him and and and from everything that I've seen, it it feels very much like uh like he's he's trusting the very people that he campaigned against in in his first administration when he was really taking on the Republican establishment, taking on the neocons. And then what does he do? He surrounds himself with the neocons and the establishment Republicans and then calls them MAGA and

[40:56] then attacks his actual MAGA base and says that they're that they're rhinos, that they're that they're, you know, anti-Trump, anti-America, anti-atriot, they're traitors, the whole the whole deal, and sticks Laura Loomer on everybody. And and you're just you're just like I don't I don't I don't know. I don't know what is going through his head unless it's just the fact that he's got somebody like Susie Wilds who I've been warning against since since the campaign. Um it was in honestly when I saw that he hired Susie Wilds that was that was one of the contributing factors

[41:27] of me actually walking away from Trump and backing RFK Jr. is I'm like, if you're going to hire Susie Wilds, who has deep ties with all the industrial complexes, who's who has deep ties with with everything that Donald Trump has campaigned against, and she's going to be the gatekeeper. She's going to be the one running the show, it's not going to be good for the America First agenda that Trump pitched to everybody. And I think we're seeing the the actual results of that. Mhm. >> One thing I want to point out real quick, y'all. And this is Jeff. This going to this going to tie right in to

[41:58] pickaxe over on YouTube. There is a bunch of there's another word for it. There's a bunch of [ __ ] going on. Over,200 people were just dropped from the stream. Uh they are having to come back manually. And we know that Barry Weiss is on the record saying that uh it's it's incumbent on big tech and these companies to control SEO and search and moderate what people what it is that people are able to see. She she f she said that people are able to say what

[42:28] they want but they don't have a freedom of reach. Uh so I think that's why Rumble is so important and increasingly that's why pickaxe is so important. What is Pickax? >> Yeah. So, so what what basically the way that we lay it out is we're a constitution protected free speech social media platform. So, like you, you know, if it's legal, uh you're allowed to say it. Uh the one exception is we do ban uh pornography and you know, for the free speech absolutists that that give me a lot of crap for that, I always say like you can't go down to your actual town square, take off your clothes, and have sex in the middle of the town square and not get arrested. So, I'm not going to allow you to do that on in my

[42:58] digital town square. So, outside of that, you're you're basically allowed to say, you know, what what you want. And and I think and I and I think the other component like what you mentioned is that if you look on all these platforms that are now claiming to be free speech, they're always saying, okay, freedom of speech, but and literally in the terms of service on X, it's you freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. And so basically, you can say what you want, but that doesn't mean that they have to let anybody actually see it. And so for me, you know, this has wider implications than even just politics. This is this is impacting, you know, influencers in a whole host of different

[43:28] industries. Uh because now what what they're doing is they're having to base everything on algorithms. Everything is about the algorithm. And so what ends up happening is when you think about it, if everything is based on the algorithm, how do you actually build community? You can't. You physically cannot do it if you're always chasing the algorithm. So you know Elon Musky put out his his source code for um you know the uh what what content shows up on your newsfeed. It has very little to no bearing about the number of followers you you have, who follows you, who you follow. that has almost no bearing on who actually

[43:59] sees your content. It has everything to do with the algorithm will and the AI will take a look at your content. It'll decide it'll it'll do a little test market uh you know and and show your content to a handful of people. See what kind of engagement it gets. See which kind of people actually engage with your content and then it'll decide should we or should we not show this to more people. But it they may follow you, they may not. It does it doesn't matter whether they follow you. It's just you're chasing an algorithm. So what does that do to the content now? Now, what ends up happening is you get people like, you know, the cat turds and the Gunther Eagleman's and the Laura Loomers

[44:31] and all that kind of stuff. What do they do? What do they do? They're posting content that the algorithm will pick up. So, they're basing their content and they're writing the content for a computer, not for people. And and I think that what we're seeing and the result of that is just a massive just destruction of all semblance of conversation on X into where it's just gaslighting, everybody's fighting each other and just firebombing and whatever it is. And so what we're actually doing with Pickax is just this idea of if you follow somebody, they can actually see your content. And uh we we've been

[45:02] having a lot of testimonials from a lot of people. Like one guy actually just posted that he's got he's like, "I've got 45,000 followers on X and 45 followers on Pickax and I'm getting more engagement and more conversations on Pickax than I am on X." It's because we don't have algorithms and we're actually setting it up to where the our quoteunquote algorithms are based on humans. So the humans are actually deciding what gets seen, not not computers. So I I think we're seeing the very positive result of that right now. >> Um Jeeoff, how do you break through the uh you know the market dominance of your

[45:34] competitors? Uh you know I mean it's so I mean there's you know as you know I'm a Marxist uh capitalism is a tend has a tendency toward monopolization and aggregation of power and wealth. Um and you know these are these are companies that these other media comp social media companies got to the table before you. So, how do you uh you know, how do you get heard and how do you uh spread the message about Pickax? >> Yeah, honestly, like like we're doing a lot of marketing, a lot a lot of promotion. You know, obviously I'm going on shows and doing all that kind of

[46:04] stuff to promote, but we're also going to be focusing a lot on like in inerson events where we can actually make human connections because I think that that's really where um that's really where our bread and butter is going to be is how do we connect human beings to human beings and make and there's something different and something unique when you actually meet somebody face to face as opposed to digitally. uh there's there's some kind of like connection that happens and you can't even really explain it, but you you have a you have a much more long-term connection with somebody if you see them face to face or see them in person than you do digitally. And so we're going to be we're going to be doing that. But the more that we can get people to buy into

[46:36] this idea and kind of retrain people's minds and and uh you know hopefully, you know, get them past their withdrawals of dopamine hits that they get on the other platforms and realize that like no, you can actually build community. Like I would rather have a smaller audience that actually sees all my content where we're actually building community. We can actually talk and go back and forth and you build, you know, as much of a relationship as you can and friendship on on online. Then this digital chaos that's happening on on the on these other platforms and also on on the other side is that I've set up our business

[47:07] model as well to where I'm not like all the rest of the tech startups in Silicon Valley where they're always going for the grand slam. Like I can't tell you how many people that advised me quote unquote on how how to build pickaxe and like you got to burn through a lot of money. You got to do these different rounds of fundraising and you know you just you basically the goal is to burn as much money as you can. So then that way you can raise more money so that way you can burn it so you can raise more money and that's basically the thing and then the goal is to ultimately just turn around and sell. Well, that's not what I want to do. Like for me I would rather do this for the rest of my life, right?

[47:37] So, I got to set up a sustainable business model without an insane burn rate and and I I don't need millions and millions of users in order to be profitable. I I you know, so I have a much lower threshold for for building it. So, I can actually continue to build and grow and I'm building for the long term, not necessarily for the quick hit grand slam, which I think will actually make it a lot more sustainable and then a lot better for the users and the creators on the platform. >> Jeff, uh that's great. Very smart. Um, thank you so much for coming on. That's Jeff Dornick. He's the CEO of Pickax.

[48:09] Strongly encourage you to come over and join the conversation over at pickaxe.com. And there's an app on iOS and uh and on the uh Android store on the Google store. So, >> yes. >> Uh, thank you very much, Jeff. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Anytime. Um, okay. So, um, it appears, guys, that we're continuing to get attacked um throughout the show here in mysterious ways. Um, so it just doesn't appear to be like a, you know, random just a random, you know, [ __ ] Although there's a random [ __ ]

[48:40] involved, but, uh, we, you know, we're, you know, my my mic got turned on and off several times. That's never happened ever, uh, in my life on this computer, which I've had for years. Uh, we've had, uh, 1,500 watchers on YouTube, uh, be kicked off. And I guess that hopefully, uh, Robbie, are they migrating back or what's going on? >> Uh, let me see here. On YouTube, we've got some of them back. 45 out of just under 2,000 people have uh returned to uh the channel. >> Wow. >> To to watch the live stream.

[49:11] >> Okay. Well, if you're watching on the uh on the on the repeat stream later, uh we apologize to you who got dropped. It was not our fault. We didn't >> we didn't want did not want to lose you. >> Well, one thing I want to say because there's a lot of people who are who are on the YouTube chat right now who are talking about, you know, why are we having Jeff on and why is he running an ad? First, he's not running an ad. The man started a business based around the premise of being able to speak freely, which supposedly that's something everyone can agree on,

[49:43] and not have to cater to an algorithm in order to be seen. That's the point. >> He's also smart about politics, too. >> Oh, he's incredibly smart about politics. >> Yeah. So, I mean, listen, if you if if you're so trapped on on the plantation where you think the only way that you can speak is by playing the games of Barry Weiss and Adel Aders, then frankly, you're part of the problem. Open your minds just a little bit. Now, I'm I'm always attacked on

[50:15] this show for being a close-minded religious nut and a fundamentalist. At least I have an open mind. I'm able to talk to people and think and see and look at other perspectives. >> Hey, John, you're calling me again. >> Geez, Ted, you've only called me uh 29 times in the last 45 minutes. >> It's like I don't love you. >> I know, right? >> I should pay more attention to you. >> Uh is is it the same phone number? >> It's Ted's spoofed number. >> Gotcha. >> Yeah. So, the problem is you can't block it because then you're blocking me. >> Yeah. Right. And I can't block fake

[50:47] John, >> right? >> I am thinking I don't know maybe changing the phone changing my it might be time to change my phone number although I hate doing that because it's like >> it's like you have >> the last time I changed my phone number was in 2010. The Nigerian media got in got a hold of my phone number and oh my god 247 calls from Nigeria. I had to switch the number and it was too >> all those princes calling you. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Know what I would do if I was y'all? Honestly, uh, mute that number and then if y'all have to actually call each

[51:17] other, message do it over Telegram. >> Yeah. >> Could Oh, that's not a bad idea. However, he's also got another phone number of someone who's near and dear to me who I can't do that with. >> Yeah. >> So, uh, yeah. No, it's it's it's it's disgusting. >> We're gonna catch him. >> Well, the the question that I have, and I mean this sincerely, is how did he get a hold of y'all's contacts? That's the That's the part that that's that to me tells me as listen, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I'm the first one

[51:49] that'll tell you that. >> But just a normal person is not able to get a hold of your contact list. >> No, that's true. >> So, there's something else going on. I wonder if I wonder if this person has a very small hat on the back of his very small head >> compensating for his very small micro penis. >> I suspect so. >> Yeah. Well, impotence is definitely part of it, right? I mean, the you know, someone who does this, the the typical MMO is that it's someone who feels powerless and impotent and uh, you know, not able to really uh to feel like

[52:21] they're powerless. They listen to John and I and and Robbie, we're we're talking. We have a >> And he is powerless because we don't bow down to the Zionist >> point of view. >> Yeah. No, exactly. >> That's all simple as that. Not to mention, I mean, if you knew anything about John and I, it's like the more you [ __ ] with us, the more the more oppositional we'll be, you know? It's like, >> exactly. >> Hey, try it the oldfashioned way. At least send a million-dollar bribe. That we would consider

[52:51] anyway. All right. But threats, threats are not going to work. Not at all. No. >> Um, >> all right. So, um, we should, let's do some questions, right? Shall we? Um, I see I see some super chats in what's left of the of the Google of the uh of the YouTube. Um, it's really sad. We lost a lot of these. Um, if we if you're by the way, if your super chat got lost, please contact Robbie at westg glacier gaming uh with your super chat question. We will do it on Wednesday. If not

[53:22] Wednesday morning, we'll certainly do it Wednesday at uh at, you know, at 12 noon during the new Q&A show starting Monday and Wednesday at 12 noon from now on. So, we're going from five hours a week to seven hours a week. Um, okay. Uh, thanks for the $2 breaking ver voter learns politicians live for election. Hilarious. Um, and let's see. Thanks for the five Australian dollars. Um, random question for the day from Carl Colola. Do any of you play any strategy PC

[53:53] games? I'm a huge fan of Hearts of Iron 4. I do not play video games. >> You know, to tell you the truth, the only video game I play is Angry Birds. I've been obsessed with it for more than a decade. >> Oh, gee. >> Oh, man. I'm I'm like one of the original users. In fact, I've got a streak going. Um, I've gone 2,288 consecutive days. Uh, it keeps a tally on the screen. >> Wow. Yeah. I'm a gamer on the show. Yeah, >> that that's me. I'm the gamer. Oh, John,

[54:24] you uh you're into history. You should uh seriously you should look in the Rome Total War. It was a old game. >> What's it called? >> Rome Total War. >> It's awesome. I mean, it's >> Is it an app or is it a program? >> It's a program. It's on your computer. >> Rome Total War. >> Well, it has an app now. It's a old game. I bet you it's on iOS. >> Guys, we got we we have a topic to get to. So, let's do this other question. Uh Arian, thanks for the 499. Sorry to interrupt, but John, want to thank you for trying to combat censorship in our media. It's been such a big issue that

[54:55] many people overlook genuinely. Thank you, sir. Uh, vapor fever $1.99. John, are the these the sign of the times? I don't know what that refers to, but probably the hacking. Okay, so John, um, you have a your good, dear, beautiful friend Laura Loomer has taken an interest in you. Yeah, I woke up yesterday to a vicious attack from Laura Loomer, the unhinged former mental patient who has attached herself to Donald Trump's hip. Um, she

[55:27] called me a communist, which is kind of funny. Um, >> yeah, that that's that's me, Laura. That's not John. Yeah, you know, I I responded to her very very evenly and I uh I had a wonderful response, wonderful response um from other people just saying she's an unhinged lunatic, so just ignore her. And then I decided just to drop it. So, you know, she

[56:01] she has a very empty life and she's been complaining around Washington to any right-winger who will listen to her that she's furious that Donald Trump hasn't appointed her to some governmental position. But this is a woman who's banned for life from Uber, from Lyft, from Target, from Costco because she will not stop with the anti-Muslim hate speech. and um she's just not in my view

[56:31] sane enough to have any government job at any level. It's just not it's just not workable. So yeah, I decided just to ignore her. >> Does she have does she have how much influence does she have with the president in your estimation? Ted, I blocked your number >> and somebody just remotely unblocked it and started calling me again.

[57:01] >> Wow. >> Well, I I I very much look forward to the FBI sinking their teeth into this one. This is going to be easy. Easy. Because this [ __ ] [ __ ] excuse my language, >> made threats in his own voice. >> True. using phones that can easily be uh traced with a with a warrant >> repeatedly. >> Repeatedly. I mean, there are multiple felonies we're talking about here. So, this is going to be we we're going to get the last laugh here. This >> and it's for sure across state and it's

[57:31] for sure across state lines because John and I are not in the same state. >> That's right. So, which makes it federal, which means you're [ __ ] >> Yeah. Well, you know, maybe uh you know, John can give you some tips on how to handle life as an as a prison. You can buy one of John's books. >> Yeah. Buy one. Buy one of my books to doing time like a spy. >> Yeah. Learn something. You can sit at the pedophile table >> and uh and live happily ever after with your federal conviction. >> I wonder if he is a pedophile. >> Oh, very well. >> At this point,

[58:02] >> yeah, seriously, there was a Jewish >> Maybe they took off. They took offense because we always diss pedophiles here. So >> there was a Jewish group in the chapel when I was working there and literally every single one of them was a pedophile. A convicted pedophile. So he'll fit right in. >> It's Yeah. What a what a creature. >> I'm offended. I have not I've still yet to be harassed. >> Don't worry, Robbie. Your time is coming.

[58:32] >> I mean, if he's really in our contacts, you know, >> I I wonder if he's southern phobic. Is that a word? Yeah. South phobic. I don't know. Like grit phobic. We need a we need a term. >> Great. Grits are good. >> I love grits. Lots. The more cheese the better, >> guys. Oh my god, what a morning. Okay, so seriously, we will be back. Um, you know, all hacking aside, and I man, our YouTube audience like dropped like a rock right away. >> Um, but people will be watching later,

[59:03] I'm sure, because we'll we'll reream the show uh within like an hour or so. Um but anyway, thanks everyone for tuning in. Uh we are here Monday through Friday Eastern time, 9:00 am starting on Wednesday, day after tomorrow. Will also be doing Monday and Wednesday at 12:00 noon Q&A show only during that period. Um, and again, if you're if in the Mishagos today, you got your question got lost. We apologize on behalf of the um little small penist impotent little

[59:34] Zionist piece of [ __ ] who's been [ __ ] with us. And uh with that, >> yeah, seriously, y'all email me with your mis chats and send me a screenshot. If you send me an attachment, I'm not going to open it. Just send me a screenshot and we'll get it in there. >> Guys, thanks everyone and we will see you later. Talk to you later, John. >> Bye-bye. See you later.
