Title: Exceptional American Failures - John Kiriakou (DCC70)
Show: American Exception
Date: 2025-02-07
URL: https://youtu.be/nOKdI6LE7Hg
Duration: 41:00

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[00:01] [Music] something beside me a light to the kerosene and the places aren't real anymore and the faces don't say anything in the silent light of the Mind wind blown

[00:33] sphere it's a game Devil's [Music] chest Devil's chest [Music] clown welcome to Devil's chess club I'm Aaron good today my guest is former CIA officer and CIA torture whistleblower John kyaku we're going to be discussing a number of subjects including Trump's

[01:06] strange Gaza removal plan um the JFK disclosure that Trump seems to be looking to achieve and also 9/11 and uh in the context of Syria being now run by alqaeda and the final solution in uh Palestine uh being attempted by Netanyahu and apparently Trump so please check the show notes for a link to

[01:36] John's substack page and to his other Ventures as well Devil's chess club is part of the American exception podcast if you want to see this episode in its entirety and if you appreciate this kind of research and analysis on the Deep politics of the US Empire consider subscribing to the American exception podcast on patreon WE current have an ongoing series on Max arvo's groundbreaking article on Jack Ruby as well as our long running gray Alliance series which looks at the

[02:08] Lansky Teamster Syndicate CIA Massad threads running through the JFK assassination Watergate and Beyond the URL is patreon.com American exception either way please kindly like this video And subscribe to this American exception Channel John kyaku great to be back with you um happy to speak with you thanks for the invitation so there there is so much going on and uh a a lot of it falls into

[02:41] the category of bad but also seeming to accelerate the end of us and gmany or seeming to accelerate the nuclear doomsday that might be coming because it's so crazy and it seems the US Empire is in such a bad way at the moment so the the most explosive Ive and recent thing is Trump's decision announcement that it's time to ethnically cleanse Gaza and uh as someone who was spent time in the Central Intelligence Agency and you specialized in the Middle East

[03:12] and you know were a an expert on this area what's what's your take on Trump and this genocidal ethnic cleansing plan I mean ethnic cleansing is technically not considered genocide by parts of international law but I I actually think that the reason for that distinction is because of Israel in the west and the US that they've that they have now that I look at it I'm like oh God that's why you have this weird like ethnic cleansing genocide separation and I bet it's because the US and the West has

[03:43] always had this this EXA this exact case in mind and they wanted to be able to say that ethnic cleansing is somehow not genocide but what do you make of trump doing this and reversing US policy the two-state solution even if it was a fake plan anyway they haven't fully rebuked it like this before so what's the significance of this WOW there is so much to say about this Aaron first of all you're exactly right this is a this is a proposed genocide it is a war crime

[04:13] under international law to forcibly remove a people and seize their land it's Crystal Clear in international law you cannot do this uh it's a violation and I would note too not only has this already been roundly condemned by every government in the region but the Saudis issued a statement of condemnation at 440 a.m. that's how strongly they felt about it even Jordan

[04:43] and Egypt that really have to tow the US line most of the time came out and said this is a terrible idea and it's never going to work and frankly the only people who support or would support this kind of of illegal genocide uh are the most extreme rightwing of the Israeli government you know it was amazing to me to see the the video of Donald Trump making this absurd

[05:14] proposal while sitting next to Benjamin Netanyahu as Netanyahu smiled and nodded his head so listen this is not going to happen it's never going to happen and if if Trump did anything with this stupid announcement it is that he doomed the Abraham Accords which in my view were a terrible idea in the first place right and I mean some people have made jokes that Trump is like an accelerationist you know that he is

[05:45] attempting to ramp up the belligerence and illegitimacy of the of the of the US Empire so that it will implode and collapse faster I mean and they're they're usually joking when when they say this of course but it it does seem like this is the case I mean I'm trying to game out what happens if they attempt this they I don't think that they would as as much as Egypt and Jordan are total puppets of the US I feel like they do have domestic

[06:16] realities that they must contend with and that they would potentially be at risk for being ousted by their own oh yeah population absolutely and both both countries have have seen uprisings uh in in my lifetime and look at it this way too fully 50% of the population of Jordan is Palestinian right right these are these are refugees and the children and grandchildren of refugees and they have to the the Jordanian government has

[06:47] to be sensitive to the to the wants of its Palestinian population you know another thing too about a week ago a member of the Trump Administration floated the idea of taking all Palestinians and forcibly moving them to an island in Indonesia that too is a war crime you can't do that but nobody really paid any attention a week ago I I talked about it a couple of times but nobody paid any attention well now the

[07:19] president of the United States is floating the idea and it's just so absurd and so patently illegal and so comprehensively popular that it just will never happen if anything it it weakens Donald Trump right but he I mean this is the strange position he's found himself in and that we as observers find ourselves in because he was you know taking all that money from adelon which is you know

[07:51] Supreme sort of maximal uh genocidal Zionism and they wanted uh you know reportedly annexation of the West bank so he was pretty clearly a thw of the Israel Lobby and if you read some of James bamford's work and and some of the analysis of it it seems that Israel may have been behind the hack of Hillary's emails and and and things at least they had Advanced knowledge and almost no one has paid any attention to that angle of the story but

[08:21] that seems to be the one explanation that would actually explain what happened and why Trump would never get to the bottom of it despite having the power of the justice department and the security agencies like why would he have never been able to solve that mystery of how these things got hacked but then if you think well was it Israel and then you're like oh well that would that would actually explain it so you've got that aspect too which is very strange um and the fact that Trump when he takes office he uh seems to scold Netanyahu

[08:53] and he played that Jeffree Sachs clip of Netanyahu being denounced very uh seriously and and accurately by Jeff Sachs um being as being essentially a puppeteer of of of the US and bringing it into these wars and so he seemed to be realizing that the genocide in Gaza was going to make be a bad look for him as he takes office and so he wanted to be The Peacemaker for a moment it looked like and and compel or encourage Israel to have a ceasefire although maybe their own military situation made them want to do that too it's hard to say uh but now

[09:25] he's going back the opposite direction and is you know is he just completely a thall of the Israel Lobby is does he possibly think that this is in the National interest for the us to do this or I mean what is it what's motivating this decision by Trump which even as much as all other presidents have had to be uh you know Care at least careful if not subservient to the Israel Lobby they did not go this far so why is Trump doing this how does this conform to any

[09:55] conception of America First wow yeah that's a good question question and it's an important question there are several theories uh today's Washington Post for example said that Jared Kushner is behind this I think that's overestimating the uh the intelligence and the capabilities of Jared Kushner um perhaps this is from uh Sheldon adon's uh Widow who gave Donald Trump and the Trump campaign $150 million in addition to the $100 million

[10:27] that adelon had given the Campa campaign four years ago uh so I don't know you I I believe that deep down uh Donald Trump is a is a Zionist an Ardent Zionist his his daughter is an orthodox Jew his son-in-law is an orthodox Jew uh you remember he took American uh Jews to task uh for not supporting the Republican party and saying that they were traitors to Israel as if they were Israeli citizens just bizarre statements

[11:00] and I think that this combination of extreme Zionism and this notion that he's the greatest dealmaker in the world has deluded him into thinking that everything he comes up with Visa the the Middle East and the Middle East peace process is a great idea it's this Grand this grand plan for peace when it's not and you know another thing I I just returned from from Europe a couple

[11:31] of days ago and I was reminded on this trip that the United States is the only Western Country that no longer supports the two-state solution right and we don't support the two-state solution because the Israelis don't want us to uh the two-state solution or frankly in my own personal view a three-state solution which would be Israel the West Bank and Gaza is the only way that there can ever be peace uh in the region the isra Isis have to allow the Palestinians

[12:02] self-determination that's it you know Martin Luther King said famously never underestimate a man's desire to be free and I can't think of anything that's more appropriate than this example right here Donald Trump though is is not the guy to bring peace to the Middle East the Abraham Accords Accords did not and could not bring peace to the Middle East When Donald Trump said in the 2016 election that he could solve the Middle East problem in a day he meant by

[12:34] screwing the Palestinians and that's what the Abraham Accords were right you encourage the Saudis to open diplomatic relations you and uh you force force you encourage the bahrainis the amadis the tunisians the sudanes the Moroccans to uh to establish diplomatic relations with Israel and you just screw the Palestinians and that's just not going to work no matter how many times he tries it as brutal as they were with the Gaza

[13:04] genocide under Biden they killed maybe 10% of the population yeah so I mean I guess there may not be a lot of food there now it's hard to say so they could essentially have some A Renewed kind of medieval Siege combined with aerial Blitz cre that they like they have been but what I mean would would the world stand for this I mean I I you have to wonder about Europe if this could potentially contribute to a break with the us

[13:35] because NATO seems to be uh dead at this point as a entity that has any purpose or utility for its members I mean is H how can this even I I don't see how this can work in the shorter or in the medium term even it's if they're not going to they they can't really relocate it doesn't seem that they can relocate them to Jordan and Egypt as they said or Indonesia and it doesn't seem that they can just murder

[14:06] them all time is time does not seem to be on the Israelis and American side and that seems to be in my opinion what was the respon the reason for the response in October 7 I to October 7 or maybe even the reason why Israel facilitated in some way the way that those attacks unfolded I mean they the Hannibal directive but also you know other steps they took to sort of IGN or warnings for the whole thing like they needed a they wanted to do this I think because of time they realized time is not on their side because us unipolar moment is

[14:38] fading and so I think that that you know that seems to be logical and when you look at what how brutal the uh zionists are then you can't really put anything past them anymore I mean they're they're demonstrably guilty of genocide they used to go you know the ADL and everybody used to say oh that's a blood liel that's a a blood liable how could you but like they've killed so many more children than anybody who accused them of blood liable ever uh ACC or or anybody who accused them of killing

[15:09] children in the past would have accused them of I mean no blood liel is as you know deadly towards children as what they've done in front of the whole world so I feel like this this issue this crumbling of American unipolarity you know the the unipolar moment and the imperative of a final solution for Palestine this is coming together and this is why we've seen what we've seen since October 7 I agree and I I have two thoughts on this I just returned from

[15:40] Ireland and I think the Irish really really get this this issue better than than most other Western European countries they have repeatedly condemned Israeli actions in Gaza to the point where um where the Israeli Ambassador has been withdrawn from Dublin and the Irish ambassador has been withdrawn from Tel Aviv I think that's a good thing because even in a small way it puts pressure on the Israeli government and it gives the rest of the Western European countries a model with which to

[16:11] address this problem number one number two uh I think that Donald Trump might be in over his head at this early stage of foreign policy think of it this way in just the past what well he's been president what two weeks now um he has threatened to Annex Canada to which uh a parliamentarian a Canadian parliamentarian said go ahead and anex us that's 60 electoral votes that that

[16:44] are going to go blue and the Republicans will never win another race ever again so go ahead so number one they're threatening he's threatening to anex Canada number two he's threatening to either Annex or somehow take over Greenland as if we need green land where we already have military bases and number three Marco Rubio's first foreign trip as secretary of state was to Panama to threaten to take over the Panama Canal now it's one thing to threaten

[17:14] publicly oh we should take the canal we we stole that Canal fair and square it's another thing to go and to repeat that privately now this may be a negotiating tactic but that's not how the rest of the world is seeing it they're seeing it as a military threat well if you're going to threaten Panama and threaten Canada and threaten Denmark which owns Greenland then what makes you think that's going to encourage those countries or others close to them to support your militarist position on Gaza

[17:48] so I think that he's weakening himself while at the same time believing that his bellicosity is encourag enaging other countries to Rally to the American side it's just not happening no it's not and you know there's a lot of debate about why the US is so wedded to Zionism and to my mind it is very antithetical to the National interest

[18:19] and so people that are saying that oh the U that Israel is just doing the US bidding they're the aircraft carryer in the Middle East and they they say that because people like Joe Biden have said that in the past and even RFK Jr made that argument at one point but I just think about it as okay if you're job is to Flack for Israel I mean are you going to say that they're useless and that they don't and that all we do is throw money at them for no you know no real benefit to us no you're not going to do that you're going to come up with some

[18:49] sort of rationale for why Israel is somehow helpful so I don't know why suddenly people on the left say like aha look this is it it's they're helping us like of course people that are flxs and you know owned by the lobby are going to say that Israel does good things for us like for that it's in the National interest but I mean what do you what what I guess a lot of people's views have hopefully evolved on this but why do you think I and I don't think it's either Israel controls the us or or the

[19:19] US controls Israel but the US is an oligarchy and Zionist oligarchs are very invested in Zionism yeah in a in a way that's even perhaps more intense than like or the oil companies are interested or oil oligarchs are necessarily focused on just oil profits you know it's like a it's a different project that they have in mind and there's no counter to it of people putting money into counter Zionism institutions in the US so I mean I guess where do you come down on the

[19:51] reason for the US disastrous uh you know alliance with Zionism and Max greater Israel Zionism correct me if I'm wrong Aaron because you have a you have a clearer historical uh understanding of this but it's it's always been my understanding that this this policy of of blind support for Zionism and for Israeli Zionism in particular began during the Nixon Administration it was it was after Nixon's election in 1968 after the 1967

[20:23] war that Nixon decided that we would support Israel without any question and uh that's been the policy ever since if you look back to statements made by for example President Truman upon the founding of the state of Israel um through Eisenhower and Kennedy and Johnson even there was more of a of a fair balance uh between Israel and the interests of the Palestinians that went away with Nixon number one number

[20:54] two I went to Israel for the very first time in 2022 I went twice in 2022 and one of the things that struck me was as you're as you're walking through the old city of of Jerusalem the Wald city um you know it's divided into quarters there's the the Muslim quarter the Jewish quarter the Christian quarter and the Armenian quarter which didn't make any sense to me but anyway that's it so you walk through the Jewish

[21:24] quarter and it is absolutely spotless the Muslim quarter is a [ __ ] hole and I think it's meant to be like that but one of the things that was really notable was when you enter the the Jewish quarter and you get closer and closer to the Western Wall um you start seeing you start seeing signs where this you know this magnificent Center is uh

[28:12] in the personage of Myer lsky especially yes being intertwined with Zionism and uh and with the you know the the the teamsters as a big part of that as well the sort of Teamster Lansky thing with Italian selling drugs and then lansi uh laundering laundering the money yeah it's like we have a history we're more of a mafia State I think the oligarchy of the US is more of a mafia kind of a thing than we want to admit and a lot of

[28:43] the money from that era the drug money and the money that came from the casinos which were also fueled by drug La moneya laundering this got gets put into other legitimate Enterprises uh including military contracts like the tfx and General Dynamics which was owned by Henry Crown which was essentially Chicago outfit which is Syndicate right I mean we are a mobbed up country and Harry Truman gave Lansky the the the presidential medal of freedom in 1945 in a secret ceremony and

[29:14] I just read that there was this Sheriff there was a gangster named Paul Roland Jones and I'm this is I'm reciting this or recalling this from Peter Del Scott's very dense but but amazing book deep politics and the death of JFK there was a a Shar who was going to take a bribe from a Syndicate guy in Dallas in 1946 right before Ruby moves in uh and he was saying that if he did this he told the sheriff of Dallas that if he were to take this bribe and allow The Syndicate to set up in Dallas that he would have

[29:46] Harry Truman write a an endorsement of his reelection so my God I mean this is how uh so it's in the Democrats sort of DNA and I think that's part of what was happening with the k I if you want to say that they had some selfish motivations for going after the teamers and such it was that they could clean out that part of the democratic party if they did that right and and change it but they didn't they failed they failed and they basically after they fail they they they basically erased the teamsters

[30:17] and uh Bobby Kennedy's Enemy Within thesis about The Syndicate in the United States and they just say oh it's this Italian thing it's the mafia and forget about all that so we we've never really grappled with any of this like I I think that we don't understand how corrupt at a fundamental level American capitalism is and the and once you take it Global and you're pursuing Global Imperium the the this oligarchy has more money than any collection of people in

[30:48] human history more wealth and power and yet the the world has changed and I I feel like they're dinosaurs so when Mar Rubio is saying okay America may not be a unipolar power anymore but we can we can be a multi-power world of great Powers multi-polar world of great Powers but this is just more I think him saying that we're going to be our this is this is going to be our Mafia fom in the Western Hemisphere I mean that's one way to understand this which would then explain Trump's statement about uh having no desire to protect Taiwan you

[31:22] know on the one hand I think it's great that Trump at least claims that he want doesn't want to be bogged down in Wars around the country around the world rather great totally agree I actually am supportive of a multi-polar world I think it's great um I think it uh I think it gives us a better chance at at a Global Peace than the United States being this uh this hedgemon but then at the same

[31:54] time it also ought to lead to a desire for good relations with China and Russia and any other upand cominging uh world power like like bricks for example bricks as an organization and we're just not seeing that it's one thing to say ah screw the Taiwanese we don't really have any national interests there we actually don't have very many national interests there it's really not our problem I don't really care one way or the other

[32:24] but then at the same time isn't it isn't it pro-american to want good relations with China because our economies are so closely intertwined and good relations would allow us to cut defense spending why did the Chinese have bullet trains and we don't why do the Chinese have uh have construction programs all around the world and we don't right it's because we spend all of our money on

[32:55] weapons and why aren't we trying to to improve relations with Russia right now I think we should be we should be laser focused on improving relations with Russia if we're serious about this multi-polar world that should be leading to peace right and if Trump I mean even the even his actions in the Middle East are contradictory because he's announced that he wants to pull out of Syria I mean maybe is is he thinking that this is going to be okay I mean my optimistic

[33:27] perhaps delusionally optimistic but I really only I'm not I don't really think this is likely I'm just putting it out there as a possibility but my hope is that perhaps Trump is thinking that okay we do need to retrench we do need to basically have Monroe Doctrine as the renewed basis of US foreign policy because the the global Empire project has failed but we have we or I personally have these commitments to Israel so we're going to give them a go we're going to be as you know but I I I hope we're going to be as aggressive as

[33:57] we can and trying to like deal with this because we need to do to do it now or we're not going to be able to do it because of where all the trends are going so in some way he and people like Rubio are responding to some Salient facts about geopolitical reality and that maybe this will fail and that he will say well I I did my best we can't go to war with Iran everyone tell the the unanimous consensus is that it would be a disaster uh and it would hasten the end of us the of us Global dominance and

[34:28] this would guarantee Israel's defeat I mean the L because what they really need to do which may result hopefully would result in the end of a Zionist entity over there would be What Jeffrey Sach says which is to use the UN to just create a Palestinian State and make it a full member State on pr67 borders you could do that and that wouldn't make everything perfect right away but it would allow them to have diplomatic relations with other countries exactly uh it would allow them to have trade Gaza to have trade with the rest of uh

[34:59] the world you know they wouldn't be have this blockade and I think it could potentially lead to a civil war in Israel because of what you would have to do with the settlers in the West Bank like they would know that they were on limited time and needed to have an Exit Plan and then what would they do would that lead to a civil war in Israel and the end of you know Israel as a Zionist ethnostate and maybe some Jewish people who aren't psychotic and who can stomach the thought of living with Palestinian the Palestinians of pales maybe they would stay and there could be

[35:30] a you know a pluralistic society uh and a one state or something like that but you know is is Trump going is Trump going to back Trump has these aspects of his policy that seem to suggest that suggest he is aware of the situation of the US that that the unipolar moment is fading maybe this is just Bluster to try and and give Israel the best chance but and the he will step away from the abyss but do you think he will go to war with

[36:00] with Iran and you know get involved more deeply in Palestine Lebanon Yemen potentially there's a resistance in Iraq I mean what what do you think they will do if it comes down to it if they face resistance here how far will Trump go for Israel this is the question in the second half of this episode John and I discussed Trump's order to declassify JFK assassination do ments as well as the continued relevance of 9/11 in the context of the zionists

[36:32] final solution for Palestine and the western-backed alada Takeover of Syria if you would like to hear the rest of this episode please subscribe to the American exception podcast on patreon the URL is patreon.com American exception either way please kindly like this video And subscribe to this American exception Channel thanks to Dana chavaria for producing this episode and thank you for tuning in the US is a dying Empire run by evil people this is why everything in the US is so insane if we are objective

[37:04] it's better that the US be a dying Empire run by evil people than a thriving Empire run by evil people at least the former holds out the hope that with the eventual death of the Empire the evil people might not be the most powerful actors in the world alternatively in order to hold on to their empire they could destroy the human species with nuclear weapons or biological warfare it's too bad that there's no us left to organize a US majority against an oligarchic regime that does not serve the interests of the majority a lot of

[37:37] social cultural political manipulation has been deployed to allow such a tiny minority to rule over a nominal democracy capitalism really is top- down rule by an oligarchy of wealth the condition of the West today settles the argument the US hides most of its Lawless despotism with state secret and clandestine statecraft we can call this a parap fascist system it is different from Italian or Nazi style variants but the function is the same absolutist

[38:09] violence to protect the oligarchic Imperial regime on the surface Maga seems to Mark the emergence of a more overt fascism I someone who since 2009 has intensely studied the Lawless us Empire as such it bothers me to hear so-called mainstream people freaking out about Maga when so many unbelievably Sinister things are done by the US Empire day in day out decade after decade since World War II ended I hope that we will see

[38:41] Trump simply fail in each of the main Arenas where he's trying to save the dying Empire on behalf of its evil owners Trump May admire Andrew Jackson but the world does not approve of Palestinian removal the US has no basis to dictate any ter terms to Russia over Ukraine a country that the US has wrecked beyond measure a war with Russia would be the end of the world the US cannot attack Iran without the far most likely outcome being a catastrophe for

[39:11] the US and the world fighting a war with China over Taiwan which the US and China both agree as part of China would be a disaster for the world Taiwan most of all with Trump's rear guard actions failing and the US increasingly exposed around the world as the dying Empire run by evil people that it is will the US find it easier or more difficult to dominate its nearest and dearest historical victims the peoples of Latin America and can the US oligarchy still

[39:42] maintain control over us society when the US economy has the Imperial rug pulled out from underneath it will the US oligarchs and the US public tolerate the us being such a dysfunctional and failing society when other parts of the world are seeing societies improve often dramatically in historic terms they hope that perhaps AI can save them that somehow it will be the Silver Bullet to allow them to establish some utopian system of cyber feudalism utopian for them dystopian for the

[40:13] 99% the oligarchs of corporate wealth will be the Cyber feudal Lords naturally I think that they will fail the greed and lawlessness of the US oligarchy represents the worst of humanity they literally Aspire or aspired at least until recently to lawlessly rule the whole world indefinitely in order to acquire as much wealth and power as possible these are the organizing principles of the US Empire or the white West whatever we want to call it the

[40:43] egotism of the West is a cancer for Humanity Emanuel Todd is correct and I early earlier argued the same basic thing in American exception Empire in the Deep State the best hope for International Peace and progress is the end of us Imperial power in other words if the US is ever to see peace and Justice Prevail in any meaningful sense the US Empire must first lose on the devil's chessboard
