Title: The whistleblower did not think this through: Former CIA whi
Show: Fox Business
Date: 2019-11-15
URL: https://youtu.be/qHH5-GSoRRY
Duration: 6.4:00

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[00:02] PROPOSITION. TRISH: NANCY PELOSI TELLING THE MEDIA THE REPUBLICANS CAM PLANT ABOUT THE SO-CALLED WHISTLEBLOWER NOT HAVING FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMPLAINT IS WITHOUT MERIT AND FRAUDULENT. BECAUSE MAYBE I'M GOING OUT ON A LIMB HERE. BUT IF YOU ARE UPSET ABOUT HOW SOMETHING IS BEING HANDLED, IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW IT'S BEING HAND. TO A BUNCH OF OFFICE GOES UP AND

[00:35] REPORT THAT AS A SO-CALLED WHISTLEBLOWER, THAT'S KIND OF SNOWFLAKE. BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS WHISTLEBLOWER DID, *, THINK ABOUT THAT TERM. INTERESTING, RIGHT? THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ONE REAL WHISTLEBLOWER. A GENTLEMAN WHO RISKED HIS ENTIRE CAREER CALLING OUT THE CIA FOR ITS TORTURE PROBLEMS WOUND UP IN JAIL FOR IT. JOHN KIRIAKOU BLEW THE LID ON

[01:07] THE CIA TORTURE PROGRAM. AND HE WAS PROSECUTED BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. HE SAYS HE AND EDWARD SNOWDEN HAVE RISKED EVERYTHING TO INFORM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS WHISTLEBLOWER DOESN'T KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD. I AM HAPPY TO HAVE JOHN KIRIAKOU ON TO EXPLAIN. WALK US THROUGH IT. YOU RISKED A LOT. YOU WOUND UP ALMOST THREE YEARS IN JAIL BECAUSE OF YOUR EXPOSURE OF A PROGRAM THAT MADE A LOT OF

[01:40] NEWS AND A LOT OF AMERICANS WERE SHOCKED BY. BUT THIS WHISTLEBLOWER, DOES HE DESERVE THE SAME TERM? >> I'M NOT CALLING HIM A WHISTLEBLOWER. I DON'T THINK HE'S A WHISTLEBLOWER. THERE IS A LEGAL DEFINITION OF WHISTLE BLOWING IN THE UNITED STATES IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION LAW. ANY PERSON WHO BRINGS TO LIGHT EVIDENCE OF WASTE, FRAUD, ABUSE, ILLEGALITY OR THREAT TO THE PUN- TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR PUBLIC

[02:10] SAFETY. THERE IS A WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. THE WHISTLEBLOWER MAY HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS THE WAY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN THE. THEN IT SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL. I WOULDN'T CALL HIM A WHISTLEBLOWER SO MUCH AS I HAVE CALLED HIM AN ANONYMOUS SOURCE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC STAFF MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. TRISH: HE DID MEET WITH ADAM SCHIFF'S STAFF BEFORE FILING THIS COMPLAINT. IT TAINTS THIS IN SOME WAYS.

[02:41] >> IT DOES. THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW. WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO ACCORDING TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION LAW. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, THEN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATES AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL GOES TO THE COMMITTEE. YOU DON'T GO TO THE COMMITTEE FIRST. WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, THE WHISTLEBLOWER FIRST WENT TO COMMITTEE, THEN TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, THEN THE I.G. WENT TO THE LEGAL STAFF, THE GENERAL

[03:12] CROWN GENERAL COUNSEL AND THEN WENT TO THE DNI IG IT WAS AN UNWIELDY SITUATION AND IT SPUN OUT OF CONTROL. TRISH: DO YOU THINK THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE DEEP STATE AT WORK, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE THIS PRESIDENT? >> ABSOLUTELY YES. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LAUGH AT US SOMETIMES WHEN WE USE THE TERM DEEP STATE. BUT THERE IS A DEEP STATE. THE DEEP STATE IS REAL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT THE

[03:42] DEEP 8. YOU CAN CALL IT THE FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY. YOU CAN CALL IT THE GOVERNMENT. BUT IT'S A DEEP STATE. THIS DEEP STATE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESIDENT'S ADMINISTRATION HAS SHOW THE HIM ILL. TRISH: TALK TO ME ABOUT THE TERM AGAIN WHISTLEBLOWER. HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THIS PERSON? WOULD YOU SAY DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVE? WOULD YOU SAY LEAKER? HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE? CONSIDER WHAT THE MEDIA HAS DONE, RIGHT? THEY PUT THE PERSON WAY, WAY UP

[04:13] ON A PEDESTAL AND THEY ARE JUST A CRUSADER FOR JUSTICE. AND YOU ON THE OTHER HARDEN AND SOME OTHERS THAT RISKED A LOT HAVE DONE MUCH MORE IN TERMS OF EXPOSING THINGS THAT PROBABLY NEED TO GET EXPOSED. THIS GUY IS REPORTING GOSSIP. >> I WOULD CALL THIS GUY A BUSY BODY. I WOULDN'T CALL HIM A WHISTLEBLOWER. I AM NOT EVEN SHIRE WOULD CALL HIM A DEMOCRATIC OPEN RAW TOUGH AS MUCH AS A DEMOCRATIC

[04:47] OPERATIVE WANNABE. YOU WONDER YES DIDN'T THINK THIS THROUGH. IF HE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO AN END RUN AROUND THE PROCESS AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE COMMITTEE, CERTAINLY WE WOULD FIGURE OUT WHO WAS, WE WOULD SEE THOSE PICTURES OF HIM WITH JOE BIDEN AND WITH HILLARY CLINTON, AND WITH ALL THESE SOME OTHER DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERS. DID HE THINK HE COULD KEEP THAT QUIET OR SECRET? THAT'S IMPORTANT. >> THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

[05:18] BECAUSE IT COLORS HIS LACK OF OBJECT TEST. D OBJECTIVITY. >> HE DID NOT HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PHONE CALL. NOW BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HEARD SO FAR ON CAPITOL HILL. HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE SECOND HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION. TRISH ARE'S APPARENTLY CASHING IN. HE GOT A GoFundMe ACCOUNT THAT

[05:49] RAISED $225,000. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY CAME FROM. YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONTRIBUTE AS A FOREIGNER. BUT WHO IS TO SAY. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? >> THAT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT AND IMPORTANT POINT. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY THIS MAN'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S SUPPOSE TO BE PROTECTED AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECRET PROCESS. NOW HE WILL GET RICH WITH A GoFundMe CAMPAIGN. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME, CERTAINLY NOT ANY LEGAL SENSE AT
