Title: What's Really Happening In Israel: Mossad
Show: Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-08-30
URL: https://youtu.be/hohHB8bGCxM
Duration: 33:00

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[00:00] All right, we are going to go from one damn good guest to another damn good guest. The man himself, John Keryaku. >> Hey there. >> How you doing, man? You're doing okay? >> I'm doing very well, thanks. How are you? >> I'm doing fine. I'm doing okay. John Kyaku, he's a former CIA officer, author, speaker. His books include the CIA Insiders Guide to Iran and The Reluctant Spy. You can also find John on his show. John, what is the name of that show? Because you do >> got two. I have one with Ted Raw called Deep Program and the other one I do it's

[00:31] more of a of a long form interview format called uh Deep Focus >> both on YouTube and Rumble. >> You also are traveling to give speeches. >> Yeah. Um I'm in a hiatus right now and we're going to start right back up uh in the Western United States in December. >> Okay. Very cool. Very cool. John, thank you for joining me. I um I've started a new tact of trying to write down

[01:03] questions because it's well the problem is like I usually like to have a conversation with my guests. >> Yeah. >> And usually the questions are a guide just in case there's a lull or something like that. But when you're trying to name a video, it is very difficult to name a video. I struggle. I spend hours trying to name videos and always feel unfulfilled at the end of the process. So, I'm trying to name it, but that's inside baseball. That's too much information. Um, I'm I'm curious on something.

[01:34] I think you made the point. Well, let me just ask the question. What is the CIA doing in Ukraine? >> Well, by all accounts, uh, the CIA is doing everything in Ukraine. Um, you know, I I I'll admit to you that I've been out of the CIA for quite some time now, but but I'm still in touch with people in those circles and they say that the CIA is effectively running the Ukrainian uh intelligence service. Um, not just advising, but either approving

[02:06] or disproving of operations. They're in charge of of training both in Ukraine and bringing Ukrainian intelligence officers back to the United States to train them here. So the keep in mind that the CIA is not a policy um agency. It's a policy support agency. And so they they serve at the pleasure of the president. And until the president says we're leaving Ukraine, their job is to provide everything they can possibly provide. And that's where they are right now.

[02:37] >> So they are still the president's men. >> Oh yeah. Without any question. And we saw that I don't want to get, you know, off the off the topic without you leading me there, but um that's why we saw last week 37 intelligence officers fired. Uh there are no civil service protections at the CIA because the CIA serves at the pleasure of the president. And so they do literally what the president tells them to do. So when people say stuff like um Trump could do X or Y, but the CIA as a

[03:07] monolith or as an organization doesn't want that is that >> well that's that's different in that they can slow roll a president and just you know ignore him, but they're they're always at risk then of being fired. There's no there they can't there's no like panel that they can go to within the civil service to say hey I was illegitimately fired and uh you know the president doesn't have the right to fire me because of the civil service act of 19 whatever it was. They don't get those kind of of um of protections.

[03:40] So you know we're talking about one of one of two things as as far as the deep state goes. if they get an order that they don't like, they can sort of just move so slowly that they can delay it as long as, you know, until the president is no longer present anymore. But in a case like Ukraine where there's a where there's a hot war taking place, they do as they're told. Interesting. So, it's not the CIA has a point of view and the CIA is pushing back on Donald Trump in some

[04:11] capacity of trying to in the way. It's not that. It's all things been equal. you will function there and you will do the job for the entire duration of that war until I pull you out from doing the job. >> Yeah. It was like the Iraq war, Jamarl, the the second one where the the the battle lines internally were were clearly drawn. It was the pro-war factions were the National Security Council, the Office of the Vice President, and the Office of the Secretary of Defense. the anti-Iraq war

[04:43] um organizations were the CIA, the State Department, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And it was because the CIA had been single single-mindedly focused on finding and killing Osama bin Laden. They didn't want to be distracted by going into some unnecessary war in Iraq. They wanted to stay in Afghanistan and and destroy al-Qaeda. But the policy decision had been made and they were told, "You're going to fall into line." and they fell into line >> on a daily basis. When you were at the CIA, what did your job description look

[05:14] like? I'm trying to get an idea on what is the day in the life of a CIA spook like what do like and for that matter the same thing in Ukraine. They get up in the morning, brush their teeth, get breakfast, go to an office, what like what is that? >> It varies widely. um let's say during the Iraq war. During the Iraq war, I was the executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for operations. And so our job was to prosecute the Iraq war. And so, yeah, get up every morning 2:45

[05:45] a.m., which was tough, man. It took me a good three weeks to get used to that kind of schedule. 2:45. I'm at my desk by, you know, 4:00, 3:45. And um I start going through the 10,000 cables that had come in overnight. I whittle those down to between five and 10 that were important enough for the director and the deputy director to uh to hear. And um and then I wait until uh

[06:18] sorry there's a mosquito that is no longer alive. Um and then I wait for the for the deputy director to come in. I brief the all of the deputy directors at 7 o'clock. I brief the director of the CIA at 7:30. And then I start my day uh I mean I've already worked half a day but I start my you know the rest of my day which was coordinating with the state department with the defense department with the office of the vice president. Um

[06:48] answering presidential requests, sending cables to the field, answering responses from the field. Um you make a quick trip to New York to talk to the United Nations, the the CIA contingent at the United Nations. you make a sometimes a quick trip to London or to Kurdistan or wherever um just to make sure people have the weapons they need, people have the equipment they need, they have secure communications that they need, and then you get the odd the odd request. I got a I got a request from

[07:20] Vice President Cheney one time and he wanted to know what the what the longest um air strip in northern Iraq was made of. >> Oh yeah. And I was like what? So nobody in operations knew. They were like what? And I I kept saying it's from Cheney. Like Cheney specifically wants to know. I said I I don't know the answer. So, I ended up having to um to enlist the uh the CIA librarian uh and she said, "I can find this out."

[07:53] >> And within 24 hours, she told me exactly what it was made of and what the mix consisted of and it was this much, you know, concrete and this much I don't know what. And so I wrote this memo and I said here's and the reason why they wanted to do that is because they wanted to fly in tanks >> and they wanted to know if if the runway was solid enough to handle the weight of a plane carrying two tanks landed on it. >> Wow. >> So every day it was something different. Now when I was in counterterrorism it was different still. Uh, I'd go into

[08:26] work every morning at 7 and either I would always start my day by reading the cables that had come in overnight and that usually took a couple of hours. But then my boss would come up to me and say, "Can you brief this group today? Can you fly to Cairo this afternoon? Can you, you know, brief the director on XYZ program? Can you go to the State Department and get them off our backs?" You know, that kind of thing. Every this is what I this is what I love the most about the CIA is that every single day was something completely different from

[08:58] the day before. That's what kept me engaged. >> Does the president know what is happening on the ground in regards in relation to the CIA or is it just an order is given and they just follow the order as understood? >> It it depends on the president. So George HW Bush absolutely yes. He had such a deep love of intelligence, having been the director of central intelligence himself. >> That's right. >> That he wanted to know every single detail, every detail. And so he was

[09:30] briefed constantly, six days a week. >> Um, Bill Clinton didn't give two shits about the CIA or what it was. >> He was briefed twice in his eight years as president. >> So what was the CIA doing? They were just like, how does that work? How they just went rogue? >> He would give these overarching orders and then trust uh Al Gore to implement them. So Gore was briefed all the time. Clinton

[10:00] Clinton wouldn't, you know, Jim Woolsey, who was Clinton's first CIA director, um once famously said that Clinton wouldn't know who he was if they bumped into each other in a room. his own CIA director. And then of course after Clinton was Bush, Bush, I mean really it was Cheney that ran the country. So Bush was pretty well aware. Cheney was intimately dangerously involved. And then uh and then Obama was deeply

[10:30] involved. Trump didn't give a about intelligence. >> So he doesn't know what's going on. I mean this is basically Trump get basically status quo whatever that means then you think wow if the CIA wasn't in Ukraine what would happen would it collapse I mean is there any device edifice could MI6 replace what the CIA is doing? >> No not on a not on a paramilitary training basis. Um, you know, if if the if the goal were to

[11:03] recruit spies to steal secrets, which is what the CIA originally was supposed to do, sure, they could be replaced by any number of services. And um, but what what the CIA is training them in is is paramilitary operations. So, I suppose you could >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, SAS could do it. um which which is British special forces. The French could probably do it if they were so inclined.

[11:34] The Israelis definitely could do it, but they're bogged down. >> Yeah. >> Um you know, honestly, Jamar, I don't think there would be that much of a difference if the CIA weren't there anymore. >> Really? >> Yeah. Because I think that for all intents and purposes, the war is winding down. It's a stalemate. Uh we've all said from the very very beginning that if there's going to be peace, it's going to be with the proviso that the that the Ukrainians seed territory. And um I I still think that's the case.

[12:07] I think that's how >> I'm sorry to interrupt. It doesn't seem like a stalemate. I mean, the Russians are making severe advances. And I mean if you look at the battle map I I watch battle map daily and the channels that effectively go over what is taking place in the movements even the Ukrainian channels are freaking out because there seems to be a flanking operation over Laviance creremators what is it constant >> sure what I'm saying is that if if the original Russian goal were to was to

[12:38] take out the uh Ukrainian leadership and to threaten Keev They're not really doing that anymore. I think the Russians are solidly secure in the Russian the ethnic Russian areas of eastern Ukraine. Um certainly in Crimea and the Ukrainians are going to lose those territories. >> Yes. >> They just have to accept it. If there's going to be peace, they're going to have to seed this stuff to the Russians. >> Ah, but there's the rub. As you point

[13:10] out, the CIA is training paramilitaries. Yes. And you have to ask, what are those paramilitaries for? >> Yeah. >> Is it with the thought of making the Russians? >> Yeah. It's like It's like the great wolves. It's for guerrilla warfare. >> Exactly. Making the Russians. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> On Ukraine and then effectively using guerrilla war in order to bog them down for like a decade. That's what it seems like. >> I think that's exactly what the point is. Yes. >> Because otherwise I don't know what the Europeans are doing. um they seem Why doesn't Trump walk?

[13:41] Doesn't he know that or does he get that? There was there was a quote that came out from the Atlantic and it says, "In recent days, Trump has privately complained that his high-profile diplomacy has produced no results." I love this, right? Because for the last several months, I've been saying stuff like the Europeans seems to either be delusional or they're trying to bog the Russians down with this idea that real war for 10 years. Trump seemed to believe if this is true that

[14:11] >> well, I can get these sides to come together. I'm the dealmaker. I can make a deal. >> Right. >> Which is what makes him so angry that the Russians are just doing what he's telling them to do. >> And the Europeans. >> Yeah. And the Europeans. Right. Yes. Yes, because he's like Zalinski needs to be more flexible. I have no control over the Russians. You're the person I have control over you. You're the one that's losing the war with us also. Right. He says um in recent days, Donald Trump has completed uh privately complained that high-profile diplomacy has produced no results. Some officials close to the

[14:42] White House told the magazine he has directed quote some frustration unquote at Zilinsky and the EU for being unrealistic in demand saying Ukraine would need to give up some territories to end the conflict. The source claimed quote he just wants this over with. It almost doesn't matter how unquote a senior official said. >> I accept that to be true because that's what I thought was true. He's he's sick of this war. >> He wants it over with. >> He wants it over. My question to you is why doesn't he just walk? He could walk.

[15:12] He could tell the CIA, "Hey, we're out. No more intelligence. No more weapons. I'm not selling European uh Europeans. No more weapons. I'm out. All of your horrible people. I'm done. I'm Trump. Go to my golf course." Yeah, >> he could do that. >> Yeah, he >> My question is why? >> I think for two reasons. Number one, it would make him look weak. >> He would go down in history as the president who lost Ukraine. >> Number one. Number two, he's the grand dealmaker. Yeah, >> he wants to make that deal. Well, actually, and there's a third reason,

[15:42] and we all know what it is. He desperately wants to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Everybody's talking about it, right? He negotiated the deal or force the deal between India and Pakistan, between Congo and Rwanda, between Thailand and Cambodia. If he could bring a peace deal between the Russians and the Ukrainians, he really believes Palestine aside, he really believes he would be competitive for the Nobel Peace Prize. And he's furious that Barack Obama won the No

[16:13] Nobel Peace Prize without deserving it. >> He wants to prove that he's a better president at bringing that big peace deal. >> Yeah. I mean, but I don't think what he fully gets is the Russians are going to keep going. They're not going to stop. >> Yeah, I think he underestimated Russian resolve. >> But I guess my point is Ukraine is either going to collapse or he's going to get a deal. And if the Europeans just

[16:44] going to be obsinant because their plan is a guerilla war later on, backed by the CIA's training of guerrillas, >> then ultimately it will fail. and it will fail in his watch either way. >> Yeah. >> So whether he walks >> and gets blamed or whether he stays and it fails, he's still gonna get blamed for it. >> That's why he needs a deal where both sides agree to lay down their arms, right? And and I think that he's particularly upset because he really believed that if he could talk the

[17:16] Ukrainians into just giving up the territory whether they like it or not, the Russians would say, "Thank you, President Trump. That deal will take." And that's not at all what happened. >> Yeah. >> I think that's why he was so frustrated coming out of Anchorage. That was supposed to be the deal that the grand dealmaker from the art of the deal uh was gonna make, >> but the Europeans said, "No, not good enough." >> Yeah, but Zalinsky was never going to accept that either though.

[17:48] >> Could be forced to accept it and Putin can't be forced to accept anything. >> Agreed. I do agree with you on that. Providing Zalinski doesn't go rogue and go hugging the Europeans. Like see because from my point of view power that Trump has at his disposal is walking >> and as you point out he doesn't want to do that >> and it seems like the Europeans knows it's almost like if I had a nuclear bomb. >> Yeah. >> And I'm like hey don't make me use my nuke but you know I'm not using my nuke. >> Of course which is

[18:19] >> like >> Yeah. It's that >> Yeah. Um, I saw an interview that you did where you pointed out that the CIA doesn't trust MSAD. Is that true >> at all? >> Why? >> Oh my god. >> They seem to be the most they're the most moral spy service in the world, John. >> Oh yeah. They follow all the rules of international law. >> Yeah. >> No, forgive my language, Jamar, but the CIA hates Mossad because they're all dicks.

[18:49] You know, cooperating on intelligence is one thing. A political decision was made many years ago during the at the start of the Nixon administration that we're gonna we're gonna help the Israelis in any way possible. We we guarantee Israeli security. >> Okay. >> But be that as it may, the Israelis continue to spy on the United States actively recruiting American citizens to steal defense secrets for them.

[19:20] >> And they're just dicks in the way they treat CIA officers. >> That's really an example. I need an example. >> Yeah, I'll give you the same example I I I mentioned on these other podcasts. Um I had um two friends. We all sat together at the CIA and in 1993 all three of us went into Arabic training. I went to Bahrain and my colleagues got married and went to Jerusalem. Now, they were both declared to the Israeli

[19:53] Mossad, meaning the Mossad knew them as CIA officers. The station chief took them to Mossad and introduced them and said, "You know my officers. Um, they're not here to spy. They're both analysts." Uh, the husband is going to go to the university and study Arabic. The wife is going to work in the station just collecting biographical information on on Palestinian leaders. No threat to you guys. So

[20:25] the ambassador had a a welcome party for them at at the residence in Tel Aviv. And when they got back to their house in Jerusalem, uh somebody had rearranged all their living room furniture while they were gone. Now, that's just a dick move. But it's like, okay, all right, you guys can break into our house and do whatever you want. We get it. Fast forward to Christmas. The ambassador has a big Christmas party. They go to the Christmas party.

[20:55] >> They come back to their house and um people had taken shits in all of their toilets and left it un >> Oh, that's so gross. >> Yeah, >> that's so gross. >> Yeah, >> that's just gross. It's awful. And then when they were getting ready to leave, the ambassador had a farewell party for them. And when they got back to their house, the dog was under the dining room table and it was whimpering because someone had cut off its tail and wrapped

[21:25] the stump in gauze and medical tape. And I I had other CIA friends who were declared to the Israelis. they would go to uh Jerusalem to have liaison meetings with uh the Israelis. And one of them went in December, decided to go to the old city and and do all of his Christmas shopping. And then um just before he left for the airport, somebody went into his hotel room and stole every one of the presents. Like why do you do stuff like that? And

[21:56] then the the station chief has to go to the Mossad and say, "Look, stop screwing around with my people. It's rude. It's bad for relations." And they're like, "Okay, okay." And then they'll back off for a year or two. And then they start doing it again. And they do it just to screw with us, not for any any other reason. No other service does that. No other service. >> Does America spy on Israel? >> Absolutely not. >> Why not? It's a hard and fast policy.

[22:27] >> Why? >> Because Apac says not to. >> Are you serious, John? >> Really, that's what it comes down to. It It would be bad politics. >> They spy on us. >> Yeah, they do. Actively actively spy on us. >> It's the CIA. >> They spy on everybody. >> Yeah. Not on the Israelis. >> Not even with a wink and a nod. >> No. Doesn't happen, >> John. That's mind-blowing. >> It's awful. It's a terrible policy.

[22:58] >> That is mind-blowing. I can't believe that that's the entire world. >> You know what, I was on I was on a panel uh recently uh with Pierce Morgan. Pierce Morgan held this panel and and it included um Scott Horton, who is one of the most brilliant >> people I've ever engaged with on these issues. Scott and I were on the one side and the other side was Alan Dersowitz and uh General Danny Ayalam who was the head of Mossad. And I told I told them what I

[23:33] just told you. And I said, "The Israelis are actively spying on uh on the United States." And Pierce said, "Uh, General Ayelam, is that is that true?" And he goes, "No, no, no." and he said, "Well, what about Jonathan Pard?" And uh the general says, "Well, when Pard got caught, that's when the prime minister ordered us to stop spying on the United States." That was 1985.

[24:03] And I said, "That's funny because in 1990, I got a briefing from the director of security at the CIA saying that that Israel was one of the most active countries engaged in espionage against the United States in the whole world." And uh and Pierce says, "General, is that true?" And he just goes, "No comment. It's rational." I mean, they need to know where the US's head is, right? I

[24:35] mean, but I'm saying it sucks. I can't believe that CIA has done this even. Wow, that's amazing to me. >> And let me add one one thing about Pard, too. Pard, by the way, is running for the Knesset right now as an independent. He announced his candidate. We don't know when the election's going to be, but he said in the next election, he's running for the Israeli Knesset as an independent. But Pard gave the Israelis top secret military and targeting information

[25:05] that we had collected against the Soviet Union. He gave it to the Israelis. The Israelis then gave it to the Soviets in exchange for a couple of plain loads of Russian Jews. And then the Soviets used it to shut down our sources. Are you serious? >> This was what this is what the courts call grave damage to the national security. >> So it got those people killed in the Soviet Union. >> Yeah. People were executed for that

[25:36] >> and the US still is like >> we're in a great relationship. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> What condition is Israel in right now? Are they overextended? >> I believe that they are. And I think one of the things that we are under underestimating in the American media is the degree to which Israeli citizens are now objecting to ongoing military operations. You know, there was a demonstration in Tel Aviv the other day that was several hundred,000 people. It's it was gigantic. Israel doesn't have that many people.

[26:07] >> It's only what 7.8 million. >> That's exactly right. People are are tired of being called up, reserve units called up constantly to go to Gaza and fight. They're tired of the expense. They're tired of the deprivation. They're embarrassed by the crimes against humanity and war crimes that the Israelis are committing and they want an end to this thing. Now, I will admit to you, unfortunately, that that's still a minority view in in uh Israel, but it's growing.

[26:39] So, okay. So, if you were still an analyst and you had to get an assessment of what was taking place in regards to Gaza, what would that assessment be? Would it be we can carry this on and could because they're still extending into Lebanon? They're still extending into Syria. >> Oh, yeah. >> They're still going with this idea of we have our moment to create our greater Israel project. So, that's what we're going to do. We're going to create greater Israel. Like that still seems to be the mindset of the government with the thinking that when all of this is

[27:09] over, when all of these people are murdered or kicked out, when we've taken all of this territory, the country will, you know, be something different, something new, and everybody will forgive what has taken place. I mean, what what would be your assessment of what has taken place on the ground in regards to, I guess, their capability of continuing to go this route? I I think that the Israeli government really believes that it can expel every Palestinian starting in Gaza and once Gaza is pacified it can

[27:43] move they can move the the Israelis can move to uh the West Bank where these operations are still ongoing you know in places like Janine >> right >> outside of Bethlehem um they I think they really believe in the concept of a greater Israel. Even if it takes another hundred years or 200 years, I think they really believe that they can expel every single Palestinian and take all the land because they know there's not going to be push back from

[28:14] the United States. They don't care about what any other country says, but I think that they really believe that there won't be push back from the United States and they're going to continue on with this policy. >> Speaking of that, and what time is what time is it? Okay, we have a few minutes, couple of minutes. Um, Russia has moved its ambassadors out of the embassy. >> The United States has moved troops out of Iran, uh, out of out of Iraq. >> Effectively, seemingly something is in the air. Like, these countries seemingly know something. Now, Israel does have a

[28:46] relationship with both. It's very possible that they gave full warning to both. >> Yeah. I haven't seen battleships move into the area, which is key. >> That's the key. That was one of the lessons, the most important lessons I learned at the CIA is if you want to know if there's going to be a real war, not just little pinpick strikes one at the other. A real war, watch naval moves. And when I say naval moves, I mean carrier battle groups. And you're right,

[29:18] we're not moving carrier battle groups. Not yet, anyway. Okay. I mean there there are three that are in the region, but we prosecuted the first Gulf War, for example, with six carrier battle groups. We had three or four carrier battle groups for the second Iraq war. And right now, we're not really moving anything anywhere. They're just normal, you know, maneuvers. One is in uh the Arabian Sea and then it's replaced by another one that's coming from the

[29:49] Pacific. and the one that was in the Arabian Sea is going back to San Diego. So, if we were preparing for an honest to god hot war, we would be moving large numbers of warships to the region and we're not doing that yet. >> Then why is the US pulling out troops from Iraq? I mean, it seems like Israel is preparing for a >> war. Or it could it could be a couple of things. It could be um a result of talks with the Iraqis because we we have been in these ongoing talks with the Iraqis

[30:21] with the Iraqis for a number of years now to draw down our um troop numbers. >> Yes. >> Or it could be just regular scheduled turnover. >> Okay. I mean, but the Russian embassy thing also is a little weird. >> Yeah. >> And both of these things happening simultaneously. >> And dad missiles effectively being added to Israel's arsenal. They've been getting loads hand over fists. >> Yeah, >> it seems like they're preparing to strike Iran. >> Well, Freda Parcy certainly thinks so.

[30:53] Freda Parcy wrote a wrote a Substack uh two weeks ago, two and a half weeks ago, predicting that Israel would attack Iran again before the end of the month. Um Treata Parsey of course at um at the where is Trita? At the is he at the Hoover Institute? Anyway, Trina Percy is one of the the foremost thinkers on on this issue out there in the Western world. Um, so if if he says there's going to be a war, I would have

[31:23] to put money on the fact that there is going to be a war. But here we are on the the 29th and it hasn't happened yet. Not to say it can't. Not to say that it's not going to be the first week of September or the first week of October. >> No. But I think if I had to bet money, I'd say, yeah, there there are going to be hostilities again. Yes. >> Will the US back Israel? Because all things been equal. >> Yeah, of course. >> So, >> and I have to say, you know, if if I were if I were Donald Trump, I would

[31:55] think, you know, these Israelis are embarrassing me because we keep telling them, you know, we want to talk to the Iranians and every time they bomb Iran, the Iranians cancel the talks. And now the Iranians are saying they're not going to be talks. And then the Iranians are saying they're going to pull out from the NPT. >> Yep. >> Well, if I were the president of Iran, I would pull out of the NPT. >> They should. >> What good has the NPT done for me if I'm the Israelis aren't members? They haven't exceeded to the NPT. So why should Iran?

[32:25] >> No. Agreed. >> If the Israelis have nuclear weapons and they're pointed at Iran, >> how do the Iranians protect themselves? The only way you can protect yourself is to develop your own nuclear weapons. >> Yep. That's a rational argument, John. This is not about rationality. It's about power. >> Yeah. >> John, thank you for this. I really I really appreciate it. Your knowledge of this stuff is so fascinating to me just because of the experience and the life that you've lived. >> And so it's um >> we don't know what goes on behind the veil. And in some sense, you give us a

[32:56] peak behind the veil. One day I went I saw you on the UFO channel. Oh man. I was like, "Oh my god." >> Oh yeah. Oh, I forgot about that. That was fun. Actually, I enjoyed that. >> I'm gonna have to pick your brain on that one day. Um because I would imagine you may have some fascinating insights. But thank you for this, man. John Keryaku. John Keryaku is former CIA officer, author, and speaker. His books include the CIA insiders guide to uh the Iran crisis and the reluctant spy. You can follow John on Twitter, John Kuryaku. You can learn more about him at johncuryaku.com.

[33:27] And you can find him on I just wrote that thing down. Un what is the name of it, John? >> Oh, we've got uh deep program and deep focus >> and deep focus. I'm going to write it into the thing. Thank you for this, man. You be safe. Okay, >> you too, buddy. Bye-bye. >> Bye-bye. All right, John Kyaku, always enjoy
