Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2026-01-06
URL: https://youtu.be/GncMkStHa9Y
Duration: 6:00

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[00:00] Steven Miller is counselor to the president and deputy um chief of staff. He's also he's also one of the the intellectual sort of fathers of of MAGA purportedly. >> But he is second term than first term or am I mistaken about that? >> More second term than first term. >> Yeah. Um he gave an interview yesterday to Jake Tapper on CNN in which he said

[00:30] some incredibly provocative things. Um he called treaty he called international treaties where countries you know promise not to invade each other international nicities. International nicities that can be ignored. >> These are solemn promises that literally have been on the basis of international affairs for >> Yes. you know, thousands of years. Really? Yes. I mean, >> that's exactly right. So, he also said

[01:03] uh in the context of the conversation that you and I are having right now that um the United States will will invade Greenland, we will take Greenland. that it he called it an integral part of the United States which is preposterous but it's an integral part of the United States and it is a necessity for the security and safety of the United States. We already have a military base there. We have for decades

[01:34] and the danger >> and those are international waters that he's talking about anyway, right? like even if we occupied Greenland, >> the ships that he's supposed so worried about would remain unimpeded in those in those waters. >> That's exactly right. >> Russian and Chinese ships are not in Danish/ Greenlander waters. >> No. No, they're not. They never have been. And um and so it's like he's preparing us for an American invasion of a NATO country. A NATO country.

[02:08] >> [snorts] >> This is unprecedented. It's it's territory that's never been that's never been sort of forwarded before. So what do we do? Does that mean that NATO is going to have to attack the United States in order to save Greenland for the Danes? I mean, that's really that's what the treaty says. >> And as I was joking to with you before, under article 5, >> the United States would be obligated to come to Greenland's defense against the United States. >> Yeah. We would have to attack ourselves

[02:38] according to the treaty. >> Now the advantage is we have a good shot at this. I think this is a war we can win. >> Yeah. >> We know where all the targets are. >> We we have excellent intelligence about us. >> Unbelievable. >> We can kick our own ass as as as Rudy Ray Moore used to say. We can kick our own ass twice a day. >> [laughter] >> This got so bad that yesterday afternoon Kier Starmer, the British prime minister, had to come out and say, "Look, you guys have to stop. You can't

[03:11] have Greenland. You can't invade Greenland. You can't attack Denmark. We've got to come down on the side of the Danes. [laughter] They're a little slow to this." >> Yeah, a little bit. I think that the Brits and others thought that they could handle this directly with the Trump administration in through back channels. >> Yeah. >> But then with this with this uh interview by Steven Miller, you know, back channels aren't working. [snorts] >> I mean, there's so much to to I mean, so

[03:43] okay, how serious do you think the threat to Greenland is? before we go back to Venezuela and take and answer some more questions. >> Yesterday I was asked about this in a podcast and I made a face and just went, "No." I said, "We're not going to take Greenland." And then an hour later, Steven Miller's on CNN saying, "We're going to take Greenland." So I I think this is this is like a a legit [snorts] problem, >> have to deal with. >> So what's the solution for the from the Danish point of view? They have to go to

[04:14] NATO. >> Yeah. and say, "We have a threat from one of our from our lead member." >> Yes. >> And um >> Yes. >> Who's who's the adult in the room? >> Exactly. >> Is it Emanuel Macron? Maybe. I'm not even kidding. I mean, >> I'm thinking that it is actually >> because he's the one who's been uh speaking intelligently about Venezuela. >> And Donald Trump likes him. Mhm. >> You know, I don't think Trump feels one way or the other about Kier Starmer, but I think Trump likes and respects

[04:45] Mcronone. >> And so maybe it's going to be up to Mcronone to say, "Come on, you guys. >> You have to stop." >> I mean, the funny thing about Mcronone's psychology is that, okay, so he honestly he's in an abusive relationship. He's obviously a child of abuse. And I'm not saying this to be snotty, but it's true. and having I know something about that myself from my own upbringing. And one thing that people like he and I uh are able to do is we're able to keep things

[05:17] calm when people are acting crazy. We're able to not get riled up and and keep our voice steady and and and talk like the crazy alcoholic who's gonna hit you down, >> right? Um, Mron is is kind of dealing with a not an alcohol. Well, kind of an alcoholic, but he's dealing with a cra This is [laughter] >> Donald Trump is acting crazy. >> Um, this doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand. I I I you know, like I said yesterday, Ted, I believed [snorts]

[05:50] probably foolishly at this point that MAGA was something that parts of MAGA, elements of MAGA were were things that people on the left and people on the right could agree like anti-war >> and and MAGA now we see is is not at all anti-war. It's not >> [music] [music]
