Title: Iran-Israel Possible Open War
Show: Dr. David Oualaalou
Date: 2024-04-18
URL: https://youtu.be/mXpQfO_oTsQ
Duration: 39:00

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[00:06] hello everybody and welcome to geopolitical Trends where truth matters very excited to be with you because I have an interesting guest for you and I'm not going to waste too much time because my guest is on limited time so I'm gonna get into it right away so let me bring in John in here hi John hey how are you David good to talk to you thank you very much for being here on car out time I know how you are and and know so my my uh my viewers are very excited to have you here because they gonna be

[00:38] hearing from your perspective so guys just regarding John kako bio I put the entire the full bio in the description along with the titles of his books so just for me briefly to give you a heads up just for you to know who John kako is is an American Author journalist and a former CIA intelligence he was also working in the Senate uh Foreign Relations Committee in Congress so and uh he is the the uh host of the

[01:10] political Misfit along with Michelle which by the way I'm G to bring in Michelle next time so FYI guys John speaks Arabic so just for you to know yeah and some of his books guys here is the latest book here The Reluctant spy you want you might want to check it out I have also another picture of the one of the books here the wi the like of the wi time like a spy so you might want to guys take a look at John's books you

[01:42] will learn a lot because you don't become a CIA analyst just out of the wh of those are years and years years of experience yeah well speaking of that John I'm going to get into it right away given your professional background as a a former CIA analyst as also one who is dealing with a Foreign Relations Committee and so forth where do you see the stage of the global order given the chaos that's going on what are we looking at oh I think we are looking at

[02:13] uh the beginning of a permanent multi-polar world you know we had this period from the fall of the Soviet Union until uh you know until recently until the last few years where it really was unipolar with the Chinese making uh some some moves to the to the front of the line but I think now we really do have a unipolar world and I I mean a multi-polar world yeah yeah and and it it didn't necessarily have to be from the American perspective but we made

[02:43] some strategic errors I think we uh we pulled out of the jcpoa for example that was a mistake uh rather than to uh to work constructively with the Chinese we decided to well President Obama decided to Pivot to Asia that was meant to challenge the Chinese and uh you know there were so many areas David where we could have cooperated with the Russians it it could have been counterterrorism counternarcotics counter proliferation all different different areas and we

[03:15] elected instead to uh to challenge the Russians now the Russians are not as economically strong of course as the Chinese they don't have uh they don't have the the kind of population that the Chinese do that will fuel economic growth but really there are three main powers in the world right now and um and uh this is something I think we're going to have to get used to wow well speaking of jcpa i as one who wrote a book about Iran back then I tell Vol

[03:46] State running the nuclear age and I did address this issue of the gcpa back then and I said what is the what if the possibility of one of the members kind of withdraw from it or sort of don't respect the the the the spirit of the agreements what I'd like to get your input John is about the ongoing tensions now between Israel and Iran and this specifically pertain to the nuclear aspect do you foresee in your opinion as of as an analyst because you have the analytical

[04:18] thinking do you foresee that Iran will move into that direction of you know what the gloves are off we're going to go ahead for we're going to move forward with the nuclear device boy that's a tough one and I I think well in my heart I think no because there's no upside for Iran it will open Iran to any number of attacks and and lifelong sanctions um but then on the other side it's probably something that

[04:49] that the United States and the West ought to prepare for now again the jcpoa was a good idea the jcpa work and and I'll add too that that the the monitoring mechanism that was called for in the jcpa was exactly the same monitoring mechanism that the United Nations used in Iraq the same lead seals the same surveillance cameras the same inspection regime um and it was working it was

[05:21] working for for the two or three years that it was actually in place we decided to walk away from that um and that's a shame now now where we ended up burning ourselves US law says that we have to impose sanctions on any country that does business with Iran well as jcpoa everybody was doing business with Iran including the British the French the Germans the Japanese everybody and so just because Donald Trump decided

[05:54] that we were going to pull out of the jcpoa doesn't necessarily mean in our allies thinking that now they should pull out of the jcpoa as well or risk being punished and so the the French were the first to say to us look if you want to pull out go ahead and pull out but we're not pulling out we're signator to this agreement too and if you want to sanction us then go ahead and sanction us and of course we haven't yeah so you know in the first year or so of the

[06:25] Biden Administration it seemed like there was enough of a desire on the part of the US government to um to want to re-enter the jcpa and so we engaged the Iranians in talks those talks went very poorly uh not much was was agreed upon and in the end both sides just uh gave up it was a bilateral decision we just gave up so relations are are not good now with that

[06:55] said I think we underestimate the Iranians intelligence in that I think that they've concluded that they don't really need a nuclear weapons program it would be too much of a risk for them and uh and it would be incredibly expensive and uh I I think that if they really wanted to have a nuclear weapon they would have it by now they could have they could have certainly purchased the the technology from the North Koreans or from the uh or from the

[07:27] pakistanis and they haven't done that very very interesting and now with the Dynamics that's taking place between Iran and Israel and as one you spend a lot of time in the Middle East as matter of fact you spend a lot of time in Iraq many years so yeah you so you are you are very familiar of how the geopolitical landscape in that part of the world even back then and now I'm sure you are witnessing the shift and the shift that is taking place in light of what Israel did by attacking the Iran's Consulate in Damascus and by Iran

[07:59] retali do you foresee an open War because a lot of people are wondering are we going to be seeing an open war between those two which means we'll involve other players no I don't think so and I'll tell you why um first of all I was stunned by the Israeli government's very disingenuous statement yesterday that it never occurred to them that the that the rest of the world would consider an attack on the Iranian consulate as a provocation

[08:30] like what what what planet do you live on if if a violation a military violation of the Vienna convention is not seen as a provocation so that was that was for domestic consumption um we should just ignore it but you know I have to compliment the Iranians on on the the great restraint that they have shown uh really since last October certainly they are arming the houthis they're funding and probably arming Hamas they're arming and financing

[09:03] Hezbollah in uh in Lebanon leanon uh but the Israelis have tried repeatedly to pull the Iranians into this war because they know that if the Iranians go to war with Israel the United States will have to go to war on Israel's side and the Iranians just have not taken the bait now God knows they've faced these provocations uh but look at the Iranian response last weekend uh you launched drones and ballistic missiles that take

[09:35] four hours to reach Israel knowing that they have the Iron Dome knowing that the US has Patriot missiles uh in the uh in the uh region knowing that the jordanians are also watching the skies they knew they weren't going to hit anything but the point was that they that they responded and they didn't respond hard enough to make the Israelis really do something terrible I think it was a very good decision on the part of the Iranian government some analysts

[10:05] were saying that it was a slap on a face to Israel because Israel now is is not as of today no decision has been made within the war cabinet in in in Tel Aviv whether to retaliate or not that's right I go I'd like to go back to your point about the US getting involved with uh hypothetically we go with the hypothetical here should this go forward with an open War what do do you think Russia and China will do viav supporting Iran will they move forward with that or not that's a that's a very good question

[10:37] you know just uh last week um and I don't even remember now who it was it it may have been the Polish the Polish president suggested almost offhandedly that maybe the Chinese would be interested in mediating and then within 48 Hours the Chinese were offering to mediate so you know one thing about China I I'm not I'm not a fan of the Chinese government of course but uh but the Chinese do not W with with very specific

[11:09] exceptions the Chinese do not have a history of um imperialism you know they took Tibet absolutely they took it they've held it ever since they have fought Border Wars with the Indians they have fought Border Wars with the Vietnamese but but they don't go around the world invading other countries or attacking under other countries it's just not something that's a part of their foreign policy so I can't I can't see the Chinese being becoming directly involved in a Middle East conflict I do

[11:40] believe that the Chinese will offer to mediate the Russians absent a conflict in Ukraine um would have to come in on the side of the Palestinians not militarily necessarily yeah but I think with with weapons and with um and with assistance and material and ammunition and and things like that although you know you're talking about a lot of nuclear uh nuclear countries here

[12:11] and I I just like to I just like to believe that that cooler heads in a situation like that would Prevail yeah yeah but at the same time the West is preventing anything from moving forward if I just uh can uh uh uh uh mentioned when China wanted to offer to mediate between Russia and Ukraine what did we do yeah we Ste forward and kind of shut the door on that because we saw the success that China achieved when it comes down to

[12:43] establishing diplomatic ties between irania yeah two AR so I do see the possibility of something like this but the West is gonna I think the statement by the Polish president was nothing but for domestic consumptions also because they don't want to see uh the Ukrainian conflicts resolved which by the way you and I know there is no way out but negotiation yes and I'd like to have you I'd like to have your input on that that that's a point that I try to make as

[13:15] often as possible and I and I I say it frequently in in my writing one thing that the United States has been bad at in the last 20 years is allowing the diplomats to do their job I I remember when I was still at the CIA we complained all the time about the the George W Bush Administration because I had never seen an Administration works so hard to not talk to our enemies as the as the George W Bush Administration going back going back to well I was

[13:46] going to say the Nixon Administration but you could go all the way back to the end of the second world war and engagement with the Soviet Union for example and then beginning with with uh Nixon engagement with both the Soviet Union and China was was a Mainstay of American foreign policy George W bush made a decision to not engage with our enemies and that's become policy for both of the major political parties here in the United States that's a that's a a mistake and you know we we used to say

[14:17] we used to say that here in the United States our own partisan differences ended at the shore right and overseas we were always unified well you know what now we're unified again but in the wrong way in in a bad way we're unified in that we have this foreign policy where we try not to engage with the governments of countries with which we disagree and I think that's just a terrible mistake I I'll add one other thing too if you don't mind sure I had I had occasion to um to

[14:49] speak with the Russian ambassador to uh the United States several months ago I had written a column that he had read and one of his AIDS reached out and he invited me to lunch the the Ambassador invited me to lunch and so he said he wanted to know one thing even in this time of war is there any way that the United States and Russia can cooperate on something and I said oh yes and I've been consistent with this I said look Afghanistan produces 93% of the

[15:21] world's heroin almost all of that heroin goes to Russia and Iran and Russia and Iran have the highest rates of opioid Addiction in the world five times the rate of opioid addiction that we have here in the United States so we can absolutely cooperate on counter uh narcotics which we don't do um we are just as worried as the Russians are about uh the prospect of terrorist

[15:51] groups or Rogue Nations acquiring file material so we should be and could be cooperating on counter proliferation and Russia has been the victim of terrorism just like the United States has been a victim of terrorism and so we should be cooperating on counterterrorism there was a piece in the Washington Post just today saying that Tajikistan as small as it is and as small a population as it has provides more fighters to Isis on a

[16:23] per capita basis than any other country in the world we should be cooperating with the Russians on that to stop that and and you do that by by encouraging Economic Development and education but very very we're working with them yeah yeah uh let me go back to the Middle East because again there's a lot anything happen on a global stage if the Middle East is involved you know how it is it's gonna like suck in all the energy from what I wanted to get your input on is the role of the Arab and

[16:55] Muslim countries hypothetically should an open War escalate what do you anticipate what do you see because I see now Jordan is already Egypt I can't trust them the Turks are playing both sides I look at Turks with the issue of Cyprus and and Greek you know that that story then so Saudis and United Arab Emirates you know they giving a lip service to Americans but they do win their T behind the scenes where do you see the role of the Muslim world that is wishiwashi as far as what he stands on

[17:27] that's a good way of putting it um and I would have to agree with you I think it's largely wishy-washy you know looking at these countries independently of one another the Saudis regardless of their new relations with the Iranians the Saudis hate the Iranians and they fear them the bahrainis fear them and hate them even more than the Saudis do the kuwaitis want to just be left alone the emiratis prefer strong business ties to to Israel but they're willing to take a step back

[17:58] over the course of this uh this conflict the gries are pro Hamas period they always have been um the omanis are the diplomats of the peninsula so they want everybody just to get along uh but then you look at the Egyptians the Turks uh you know some of these other countries the jordanians as you pointed out the jordanians you know are are in the world um are are in the the wrong neighborhood is what I meant to say yeah they worry about the Israelis

[18:30] because they share such a long border with Israel but at the same time fully 50% of Jordan's population is Palestinian Palestinian and so they have to stand up for the Palestinians Palestinian rights and Palestinian human rights yeah um the syrians it goes without saying uh are are constantly uh wronged uh wronged by the Israelis so um you know it comes down to the Egyptians and and what have the Egyptians done since October 7th the Egyptians have done really nothing to help the

[19:01] Palestinians they've sealed the Border because what's what's the thing that the Egyptians want the least they want an open border where Palestinians are going to stream across it and have to be placed in refugee camps uh in Sinai that's happened before they don't want it to happen again okay so I think that the bottom line here David is that all of these Arab countries are taking this this unfortunate weight and see attitude thinking um what position can I take that is going to cause the least amount of damage to my own country and then

[19:32] their thoughts of the Palestinians are secondary to that very very interesting let's shift to and I know given the timing and I'm keeping an eye on it uh let's shift to Ukraine Russia conflict and the reason I wanted to uh tackle this before we go to Far East in Asia we'll close up with that so uh for the Ukraine Russia conflict what do you anticipate Mo coming forward given the statement last week by the Secretary of State Anthony BL saying that well of

[20:02] course we're gonna admit Ukraine to Nato which was crazy statement anyway I don't even know why he said that uh what I wanted to get your input John on is the idea that Russia is moving forward with some plan yeah are we seeing Russia taking over Kiev anytime soon I don't think so um you know the Russians the Russians from from very shortly after the start of the War uh have been suggesting uh uh peace talks right that

[20:34] would that would be brokered either by the Chinese or by the Turks um the United States and Ukraine have rejected that from the very beginning now the conventional wisdom is that the ukrainians just cannot maintain this pace of War they just can't they can't hold the territory that they reclaimed from the Russians the Russians are moving back in good weather is upon us and that makes it easier for the Russians to move west the bigger problem is that the Republican party here in the

[21:06] United States has turned on Ukraine whether it's for ideological reasons or for economic reasons the Republicans just don't want to fund this thing anymore now on Saturday the House of Representatives is going to vote to provide another $61 billion in Aid to Ukraine half of that is going to um is going to be in the form of a loan a loan that would be forgiven after the election so um how much longer are we gonna are we going to end up uh doing

[21:37] that I think that there's really no National there's no National desire anymore here in the United States to keep funding this this war and providing material for this war and at the same time Russia is so much bigger and so much stronger than Ukraine the ukrainians just don't have the population to keep this thing going uh forever wow yeah and I think Ukrainian just did the crossed one of the red lines now by attacking I think a radar system that

[22:08] deals with the nuclear weapons for Russia which is a red line for I wonder how uh the Russian president is gonna respond to this but but it would be interesting to see yeah now if we are to think about this will Europe ever take a a stand as far as pushing back against the us as far as you know we're done with this let's sit down done with the Russians and negotiate a settlement do you see the Europeans taking an initiative like this not under a Democratic president no

[22:41] now if Donald Trump becomes president again he's expressed such anti-nato sentiment that I think the Europeans would want to take leadership of of NATO so long as there's a democrat in the white house or a republican who's not named Donald Trump um then I think I think that NATO is going to continue to look to the United States for leadership and for the bulk of the NATO budget um at the same time you know you've got to ask yourself if

[23:12] if NATO is really still necessary yeah I I'm I personally believe that it's that it's not you know I I learned something interesting the other day um what is the only time in the history of NATO starting in 1948 to the present where NATO was called upon to defend another NATO country from Attack do you know it was it was September 11th 11th yeah that was it that was it and

[23:42] NATO came to our defense now unfortunately that meant going to Afghanistan to occupy Afghanistan but um but that's the only time and you know and another thing too is it really worth the effort and the money we have promised promised the Russians repeatedly over the course of the last four presidents that we would not continue to expand NATO to Russia's borders and then we've broken that promise repeatedly look at lvia Lithuania

[24:14] Estonia Poland uh you know we just keep doing it over and over and over again and we we give the Russians no reason to uh to trust us trust us yeah yeah we lost credibility I mean I've I've been saying this even during my time in Washington that I was in a thick of it in a sense of what are we doing here and sometimes you know you'll have a conversation with the boss that the boss will invite you for dinner just to pick your brain or stuff and I say sir that's where this is going is not going to B

[24:46] well for us interest in the long term and of course you know you get the bureaucracy over there and all that stuff so uh let me shift to just for my viewers guys uh for just prepare a question or two uh for John later on before before I I let him go here so may I may I anticipate a question or pre a question sure sure let me if I see one here forgive me if if this is embarrassing to you but I feel compelled to say something because I'm I'm glancing at the chat yeah let me see

[25:18] because I wasn't looking at it at all I'll see a question here yeah go ahead John if you think that I am still in the CIA after I blew the whistle on the cia's torture program lost my pension lost my job lost my family lost my freedom for two years and you think I'm still in the CIA that is the epitome of intellectual laziness sorry yeah there it is no you're right I didn't see that one and I guys I know I well I do have a I do have

[25:51] the community here John be are very very respectful very intellectual sometimes I'll get to those trolls and so forth and uh so I'm glad you said something so I didn't see it and I will check out all this later on after that so let's talk about the uh uh let's talk about uh Far East China yeah and the reason I want to get your input on this because it just came to my attention this morning believe it or not that the Philippines and the US is is gonna be conducting

[26:23] Naval drills yeah but not not this is the key not on the Filipino Waters yes so this is crazy right yeah well what does it mean John how do you how do you explain this you know it's this it's this unnecessarily provocative pivot to Asia that that started with Barack Obama um listen we we have a very very long relationship with the Filipino government it's had its ups and downs we

[26:54] used the biggest Air Force Base in the world there uh Clark Air Force Base we used to have the biggest naval base in the world there Subic Bay we don't anymore but now uh we have um we've moved much more closely toward the the Filipinos and vice versa in the last 10 years uh or so and then just last week we had the Japanese prime minister here in Washington for a state dinner and the very next day uh the the president of uh

[27:26] the Philippines bung Bang Marcos he came as well for this trilateral meeting the meeting was all about confronting China the whole thing was about confronting China not about protecting the Philippines not about protecting Japan but about being proactively provocative against the uh the Chinese one of the things that I think many American policy makers forget is that it was the Chinese who

[27:57] were attacked by the Japanese and and the the the viciousness of that attack which lasted from the 1930s into the middle of the 1940s it's a part of the Chinese DNA you know Chinese children are taught about the the viciousness of the the Japanese Occupation it's the Chinese that are more worried about what the Japanese might do to them than the reverse and so why we've decided to confront the Chinese like this

[28:28] in the South China Sea of all places or in the straights of Taiwan or or on a on an island that's only six miles off the coast of of mainland China by by putting a thousand US troops I just don't get what the end game is yeah well I still thinking the idea that some in Washington still looking at Philippines as a colony for us you know doesn't matter sovereignty or not it's just on a paper there is a SE there is another point that I was aware of and this has to do with the current president Marcus

[29:00] Jr Bono's father's assets that been sort of blocked in the US could it this be a part of that because I was aware of what F Ferdinand Marcos senior assets were at that time were blocked yeah you and I are of a certain age exactly in terms of of foreign uh policy I I was a senior in college when first n Marcus was overthrown in the People Power movement it was very very powerful

[29:32] and um and you're right that whole family was under sanctions I remember that uh Elda had something like what was it 10,000 20,000 pairs of shoes crazy thing you know while while people were living in poverty and squalor in her country how in the world that family came back I have no idea but I think you're right David I I think that at least the families assets are are frozen been confiscated and turned back over to the Filipino people I would assume yeah

[30:05] but it's just my concern with rushing up tensions in that part of the world especially when you consider that NATO wanted to open an office in Tokyo yeah and you kind of start to wonder why are we going to the Far East to create more tensions over there what for yeah and in fact in fact we gave Japan um uh major non-nato status that's an actual status with capital letters major non-nato Ally status Saudi Arabia is a major non-nato Ally Bahrain is a non a major non-nato

[30:37] Ally my guess is the Philippines is going to get it right soon oh what does it mean like we have now access to yeah they have access to to some weapons and weapon systems that they otherwise wouldn't have access to for example the UAE Australia uh Saudi Arabia they have access to the F35 so we'll give the 3 to the Japanese as well and and we don't for other countries in fact turkey is a member of NATO and we won't give them the F35 wow yeah wow well that explains it

[31:09] now why Japan went ahead and increased its defense budget for 20124 oh yeah because because we order them to you know the the guideline for NATO is that you have to spend at least two% of your GDP on uh on a military budget and something like three or four countries um spend that much money on on three or four NATO countries spend that much money on uh on their defense budgets but we're demanding it and we're we're forcing them to spend more money it's it's very dangerous very very

[31:41] interesting I want to take one last topic with you briefly here and this has to do with turkey and Greece or Cyprus is something you are very very very familiar with uh given your background given also part of your professional career been spent in that part of the world so why what what do you think of turkey sort of will it be will there be a war or a conflict I won't use the term war between Greece and and and turkey

[32:12] when turkey agitate that country I I gave an interview to a Greek newspaper uh a few days ago and they asked me exactly exactly the same question and I think no I I think there's no chance of a of a conflict there's there's very disturbing rhetoric going back and forth I I'll say that and you know when the Turkish Defense Minister says that turkey has a plan to take all of Greece's aian Islands in 48 48 hours or that turkey has a strategic plan to launch ballistic missiles on Athens

[32:44] which of course is a population Center you have to take those kinds of threats seriously but the Turks always talk like that and very rarely do they come close to actual shooting the last time they came close to to the actual exchange of gunfire was during the Clinton Administration and it was over an an iset called emia which doesn't even have people on it it has only a herd of goats and wow it's a Greek island but the Turks put the Turkish flag then the Greek uh Coast Guard went they took it

[33:14] down they put a Greek flag and you know then their ships went and Bill Clinton had to call both sides and tell them to cut it out so I I think a lot of this is is just rhetoric now more importantly mhm is vast amounts of natural gas have been found off the Southeastern coast of Cyprus stretching to Lebanon um Israel and Palestine and um and the Israelis

[33:45] the cypriotes the Greeks and American oil companies have begun exploring testing and lifting some of that gas the Turks Fe feel cut out and although none of that gas as has been discovered yet is in Turkish territorial Waters I think probably a wise thing to do might be to share some of the wealth with the Turks and keep everybody happy as things stand

[34:17] right now um the Turks recently sent a a battleship to confront a French uh oil exploration ship and so there's there's very little going on in in the way of uh of exploration right now this is a problem also for the for the Israelis and the Palestinians because much of that field is accessible from from Gaza from Palestine and you know in the original agreement between all these different countries there was

[34:49] an acknowledgment that that Palestine and they use they use the word Palestine or Palestinians is what it is that Palestinians own some of this gas but that it would be up to the Israeli government to decide how much of the money the Palestinians get and you know what the answer is going to be it's going to be zero yeah so we'll see yeah it's this is all right let me take a guys because

[35:19] John is on limited time he was kind enough just to car out this time for us here I'll have him back on the show don't worry I'm going to take one question or two just to be respectful of his time uh army with Harmony this is an avid supporter of the channel John so question my understanding is that the Golan height was hit and the Air Force Base was damaged when Israel when Israel retaliates will Iran continue to generally Target military assets only that's that's a very good question I saw

[35:50] the same reports that that it was Golan that was hit and I also saw a report that one rocket got through and and hit the edge of an Israeli base north of aot so you know this this again goes to goes to the um goes to the very patient policy of the Iranian government on this thing I mean they could have they could have targeted Tel Aviv you know and and civilian population centers like the

[36:22] Israelis have frankly yeah and and they didn't do that and so my guess is that if there is going to be more Iranian targeting it's going to be of Israeli military facilities I think that's actually a wise policy and you want to know my my uh my my thoughts about it i' love to hear that why R didn't is because when Bill Burns CIA director went to Oman that's when he asked directly the Iranians yes just do something but avoid the civilians that's

[36:54] why the Iranians I think but they will be know next time there will be no next time for Iran make my word on it guys if Israel conducts some crazy stuff Iran's gonna upstage the game by using its Advanced missiles and we all know what it means so uh I want to say thank you here to Francis Tango thank you for your super sticker and he's saying thank you to you John also for the information thanks very much very very I have a wonderful uh group here uh that they

[37:25] share the information intelligently and and uh respectful and timeline Dunley one last question here uh uh to Dr o do you hear anything about China making the energy force feel chill do you know anything about that John no that's the first I've heard of it that's first time I heard of it too I I need to look into this like like an Iron Dome idea uh I I don't know I don't know I'm going to look into this and check it out because

[37:55] I do know China is working on something very very highly Advanced uh but it's not here it's on the surface of the Moon that I'm aware of but I I'll check on this one here well John I can thank you enough for really really really your time where can my viewers find you and find your work and so for ah thank you I publish everything I do on substack it's at John kiraku and I'm also on Twitter at John Kaku okay I'm going to post those for you guys on the description

[38:26] just check it out there I do follow John on on Twitter just go ahead and follow him on Twitter as well and read up his article on the substack so once again thank you so much John truly appreciate you and I look forward to next time I'm looking forward to it all right guys I hope you find this very informative I know John is on was on limited time because he has other stuff it was just kind as I said kind enough to carve out this time for us here for you to hear a different perspective there is the reason why I

[38:56] also wanted to reach reach out to John because someone I trust someone has been inside understand the system understand the global stage knows how to read the geopolitical landscape and I just want you have the opportunity to listen to a different perspective as always remember geopolitics impact your daily life in more ways than one till next time guys bye-bye
