Title: Interview with CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou
Show: Choo Radio Network
Date: 2020-05-15
URL: https://youtu.be/Z6GK5GOzv1Q
Duration: 44:00

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[00:01] introduce a little anarchy [Music] upset the established order and everything becomes chaos [Music] and waited and nobody said anything so finally i came out and said it the mistake that i made was um i should have hired an attorney before blowing the whistle

[00:31] instead of after i hired an attorney afterwards and i had to be very reactive because you know the fbi the white house the cia the pentagon they leak like a sieve but when they leave when they leak in their own interests nothing happens to them that's just how washington works they want to make sure that if they don't like the leak that the person who leaked whatever they don't like is going to spend much of the rest of their life in prison so if somebody knows something and they want to go public with it

[01:03] absolutely go public yeah i would say though hire an attorney first and try to go through your chain of command if it's possible sometimes it's not possible in my case it was not possible i wanted to blow the whistle on the torture program my chain of command created the torah orchard program my chain of command were the torturers and i couldn't go to them and say hey listen i think you know you guys this is a moral problem and you guys shouldn't be torturing people that's ridiculous i was already known

[01:35] as the human rights guy and that was not a compliment at the cia right right right and i couldn't go to the congressional oversight committees either because they were the ones that secretly approved the torture program and then secretly financed it and so my only alternative was to go to the media and it was a big risk but that's what i did so if there's something that you know that you want to go public on go public if you have to go through your chain of command first go to the congressional oversight committee second if that doesn't work

[02:07] good wikileaks because they've never blown a source oh wow i didn't know that i may need to hit wikileaks up you know i've been i've been um i've been on the on the side of fbi investigations and things like that when it came to um uh them surveillancing what they label black identity extremist yes oh yes um i've actually was just uh on at the on the hill uh earlier this

[02:37] year before the plan gimmick happened um with uh mediajustice.org um and uh maisha hayes was the is the campaign director there and we were talking about some of the harassment that goes on uh for for in particular black activists and people who speak out against uh police brutality and just different ways that the fbi harasses us i've been harassed so much by the fbi

[03:09] um my wife to testify to it my mom can testify to it my church can testify to it um oh yeah i believe that they call it church they followed you to church yeah and they said that in the pew directly behind me like what did they think i was going to do in church that's what they do that's part of the harassment that's what they do you know the the fbi is actually very good at surveillance they can be so discreet you would never know that they were on you or they can be in your face yeah your

[03:41] face it's just to intimidate you yes and and and i i was aware of that um because again being a contractor with nsa ncia they trained us on on all those things i've been uh anywhere from counterterrorism to i.t intelligence um i worked at the old walter reed when it was in uh on georgia avenue uh before i moved to bethesda and um it's it at first i was scared because

[04:12] um i never had a criminal record never had a criminal background and as a black man in america and uh married uh and me and my wife all of our all my kids are by her and so being approached like that for speaking the truth yeah uh was kind of scary at first but then a boldness overcame me to let me realize that i'm doing this for the right reasons i'm doing this for the right people um and as that's why i invited you on to the shows because um researching a little bit about your

[04:43] story gave me boldness um so one i wanted to say i wanted to show my appreciation to you because and and from my culture i would call you my og when it comes to whistleblowing [Laughter] oh yeah so uh but you know it's it's it's crazy because they they i see that they they wanted the espionage act was started in 1917 it was like a world war

[05:15] one kind of uh law for prosecuting spies yeah and i think where we're headed um with this pandemic um and and how they are resetting the economic structure um with this pandemic all of a sudden they didn't have money for this and that now poof they can just type in a computer and money showing up um and i and the stimulus checks and everyone's

[05:45] excited about that but i never trust the government because whatever they give you it's got to be something on the back end about it um what do you say to or what do you think is going to happen what world are we going to walk into once this pandemic is lifted so to speak what do you think we're walking into do you because i feel like what you expose with the waterboarding and things like that are going to start happening

[06:15] happening to american citizens that speak out against the government and their uh their wrongness um so talk to us about your thoughts about how this is all going to end up after the pandemic i'm actually very worried about this okay and i'm very worried because it appears that there is no uh national plan there's no national policy for either how to address this or how to

[06:46] address the end of it and the reopening uh but i think the truth is that there is a plan um and it's not a plan that i think most americans are going to want to support you know on the one hand i'm worried about the spread of this thing i'm worried about catching it my cousin george died from it i have a friend allen who died from it two weeks ago it's nasty it's killing people right i get it i understand that it's it's a bad thing

[07:17] um and like everybody i'm worried about a second wave and whatever but i'm actually more worried about the loss of our civil rights and our civil liberties yes yes talk about that i'm worried about the cops saying no that we can't gather we can't have a peaceful political gathering because there's a chance we might infect each other with something you know and then that becomes the the law yeah yes yes so you know on the one hand i

[07:47] get sick to my stomach like i actually get a knot in my stomach when i see people with you know nazi flags and confederate flags with ar-15s slung around their shoulder taken over the the michigan state house but at the same time i'm thinking you know i understand the frustration i understand the frustration now with that said i said something on twitter the other day maybe i shouldn't have but um i i called on every black man in america to arm himself and go to his

[08:18] state capitol yes because i said if it's if it's good for these hillbillies you know and this is just this is just uh patriots expressing their patriotism yes what about the rest of us right i'm a patriot you're a patriot we should be able to express that too and not risk the the uh the ire of the of the cops or the national guard or the fbi or whoever it is that's going to come down on our heads because we're we're expressing our uh

[08:48] constitutional rights so that worries me greatly what did you what did you think about uh the the lady who had the black activist walk her to her office and protect her absolutely awesome yes and you know i love that about you because you're a white man speaking that kind of truth and i i really appreciate that i want to say that sincerely from the bottom of my heart i wish it was more people like you

[09:20] um that spoke up like that like you have robert kennedy jr and the whistleblower lady that came out against dr uh uh fosse yeah um who did the pandemic uh documentary and so forth and it's a lot i you know it's crazy because the media will have people like me and you go against each other they will have us argue and fight against each other and we know that racism exists we know that systematic oppression exists we know these things uh which is why we're whistleblowers but

[09:50] at the same time we need people like you to stand up with us and help us and be a voice for us and you've done that you and snowden a bunch of other guys have have spoken like that what the black community has experienced at large is not just happening to black folks is happening to all people on american soil and even in other countries they're just like i call it the system of the beast

[10:22] you know i've been very very fortunate um i grew up in a in an immigrant household my grandparents are all from the island of rhodes which is now a part of greece but when they were growing up it was under turkish occupation and they had no rights they were an oppressed minority and when my grandfather came to this country in 1920 the year following that he joined a brand new greek american organization called a hepa the american hellenic educational and progressive association

[10:53] he was a founding member my father was a member i'm a member the reason the hepa was created it was created in atlanta georgia in 1921 because the new greek community there saw how african americans were being oppressed it was the deep south it was nasty it was the 1920s and the greeks were fresh out of their own slavery at the at the hands of the turks and so the greeks created this organization a hepa to join with african americans to fight the clan and

[11:25] they actually took up arms against the clan in atlanta and then it went to birmingham alabama elsewhere and then it gradually moved north my my dad joined in pittsburgh pennsylvania so it's always been it's not just me i mean this was my father and my grandfather uh my grandfather was a was a steel worker he was barely literate and he had only a a third grade education came here as an immigrant an economic immigrant i went to work in the still

[11:55] mills in pittsburgh and um and told me that he actually risked getting fired one day because he took a day off to go to a sacko and venzetti rally wow yeah can you imagine sacrum vinzetti of course oh man two anarchists who were set up uh for robbing a payroll uh at a company in in massachusetts there was a shootout people were killed they were innocent but they were anarchists and their politics were very unpopular and they were both executed in the electric chair despite the fact

[12:26] that they were innocent and all the uh all the reporting indicated that they were innocent well that's how my my mom and dad grew up with those kinds of stories and so you know by 1968 i was i was four years old and my mom and dad were members of labor unions and they were marching in civil rights uh rallies and this sounds totally incongruous because how did i come out of this hard left uh uh household and join the cia well it's because my grandparents were

[12:58] always so grateful for what the country did for them what the country allowed them to do to come here and educate their children and work and save money and own a little house and you know live happily ever after that that i i was taught we had to pay it back and so i only considered public service i didn't i never considered going into the private sector i just wanted to do something to serve the country i wanted to see the world it sounded exciting it sounded cool the cia approached me in graduate school

[13:30] and i got recruited well when i was recruited we were on the back end of the church commission right so the church commission in 1975 and 76 did this investigation of the cia found that they were out killing people bombing people running illegal wars in southeast asia overthrowing african leaders who um who were revolutionaries or communists and put an end to it right executive

[14:02] order one two three three three banned political assassinations and then two years after i joined the cia bill clinton became president and said that we are going to fire every recruited source who has a problem in his past with human rights and by god we did they they let go fully one-third of their recruited sources and i thought you know this is for real they really are gonna start respecting human rights the cia's changing and that was true and

[14:32] it remained true until september 11th wow and then on september 12th they went back to the battle days just killing everybody who they believe needed to be killed uh running secret wars running violent operations sending out hit squads trying to take out al qaeda and isis and whomever and you know some of those guys frankly were bad guys they meant us harm they they slaughtered 3 000 americans on

[15:03] september 11th but they went overboard and they couldn't stop and then they started torturing everybody and i can't tell you how many times the actual torturers would report back to headquarters and say look this is the wrong guy yeah yeah right we did x y and z he's curled up in a ball he's you know crying for his mother we think it's the wrong guy well that didn't happen just once or twice or three times it happened dozens of times and i

[15:34] decided this wasn't for me it was time to go and so i left wow and you left and got persecuted for having a conscience yeah and a moral compass and my fear is that after this pandemic people like myself who are who are susceptible to being ran down and shot because of citizens

[16:05] arrest um that the cia or the government will or the fbi would try to [Music] use those same tactics um against those who speak truth to power on american soil yes i i honestly first of all the surveillance that they have on us and i'm speaking from experience from what i saw working there the the the amount of surveillance that goes on

[16:36] there is ridiculous that's number one it's it's oh my god it's it's ridiculous and i thought that everything that i thought america was doing i finally saw with my own eyes to be true and that scared me because now i have to choose between my conscience and an allegiance to a flag in a country

[17:07] that never done anything good for me as an individual um i've been beat up by police before i've been handcuffed before because i fit the description yep and mind you i'm not just saying all that i'm not i'm not just saying all this to bring up police brutality and all that that's for other shows that i do later on but i'm just i'm making a point because there's a lot of uh black young men and black and women who are starting to speak up

[17:37] and they have intelligence they're not doing it violently they're doing it through the law and they're doing they're doing it through um intelligent conversations and things like that and i don't want them to be i want them to know what's coming down the pipeline um i don't think that america is going to ever go back to how it was before the pandemic i think after the pandemic like you said the surveillance and even this

[18:09] hr 6666 right that they are trying to oh my god let's talk about that for me what are your thoughts on that whole trace act oh my god you know this started in israel the israelis were the ones who first started the idea of tracing people uh through their cell phones now people will say look if you don't like it just don't carry your cell phone that's just not possible in this day and age right yeah

[18:40] we can't live without our cell phones you wouldn't be able to talk if we didn't have cell phones yeah exactly exactly that's it uh there was a vote today in the united states senate and the the senate voted to allow um the fbi to collect our browser histories um from our internet providers without a warrant without a one please say that again please please please say that again isn't this

[19:11] awful this happened today the united states today the united states senate voted to allow the fbi to go to our internet providers and take our browser histories without a warrant without a warrant and and when i say without a warrant i mean without probable cause so if they don't like you and they don't like your face and they don't like your politics all they have to do is go to your internet provider and say we want to see every single website he's

[19:41] gone to in the last two years and they have to give it to them and then what they do is they go through and they say oh he's got a pattern he goes to these black uh identity uh websites he must be a radical and family actually go get a warrant to tap your phone to uh to mirror your hard drive and to do all different kinds of things well you haven't committed a crime you're exercising your constitutional rights to freedom of speech yes yes yes but that doesn't matter

[20:14] anymore that doesn't matter listen here's another thing too i just wrote an op-ed about this uh tonight in the last 10 years congress has created 500 new crimes not 500 new laws 500 new crimes so these are things that 10 years ago you could do and it was no problem and today they're felonies we are the most over regulated over criminalized country in the world

[20:46] to the point where harvard law professor harvey silverglate in his book three felonies a day says that the average american on the average day going about his or her normal business commits three felonies every single day so if they don't like you and your politics and they want to get you they're gonna get you and there's almost nothing you can do about it let me give you an example there was a case i followed in honolulu a few years ago there was a woman who worked for noah

[21:17] the national oceanic and atmospheric administration right she's a gs 11 or 12 she's not making any money it's expensive in honolulu so she and a business partner buy a boat and on the weekends they take tourists out on the boat to go whale watching okay so they're out there one day and they come across a whale feeding on a seal carcass and so everybody goes to the side of the boat and they're taking pictures of the whale eating the seal and somebody whistles at the whale right

[21:48] just to get its attention and make it stay near the surface whatever so they could video it two weeks later one morning there's a knock at the door fbi the woman's like yes may i help you they said uh do you have a boat yes you take people out on the boat on weekends yes did you see a whale a couple of weeks ago eating a seal yes did you whistle at the whale she said no i think somebody whistled at the whale but it wasn't me

[22:21] they showed up two days later with a search warrant and they took everything they took her computer her phone they took all of her business records and she would video every one of these trips and then sell the dvds to the tourists at the end of the trip they confiscated years worth of dvds after six months they charged her with one felony count of interfering in the feeding of a wild animal what huh it's a felony

[22:58] so of course noah noah's part of the department of commerce noah fired her from her federal job she lost her pension and then she spent two hundred thousand dollars defending herself from this specious ridiculous felony charge of interfering with a wild animal and she swore that she did not whistle at the whale well in the end they did what they always do they offer her a reduced a plea to a

[23:28] reduced count now the the justice department wins 98.2 percent of its cases according to propublica almost all of those wins are a result of a plea bargain because what they'll do is they'll heap charges on you they'll charge you with five 10 20 felonies and then when you go bankrupt they come back and they say listen we'll drop all the charges but one if you just take a plea to the one yeah well that's what she ended up doing she's like it cost her a quarter of a

[23:59] million dollars to defend herself they finally reduced it to a misdemeanor but she lost her job she lost her pension she lost her boat her business partner headed for the hills she lost everything and that's typical of what happens in our justice department yeah and i know that to be true from personal experience trust me i know that to be true from personal experience um i had to go through something very

[24:30] heartbreaking last year um and all i did was follow nsa procedures and the nsa said that they could not defend me because it was a risk to national security and it's so hard to explain that to people who never worked for these type of agencies they don't understand that they have the power to make you look guilty

[25:02] um totally yeah and so instead of and so i had to take a plea you know um i didn't spend no time behind bars but i had to take the plea well let me interrupt you i have a good friend who was at the cia at the same time that i was there working the midnight shift in something called the fusion center the counter terrorism fusion center so he's just sitting there all night long just reading cables that are coming in just to you know if something goes to hell he

[25:35] calls someone in the middle of the night and says come come on into work right right right so he gets a cable and it says hey we we found this terrorist's password to his uh gmail account so here's the gmail account and then in a separate cable they said here's the password he said okay so he logs on checks it out he sees there's really nothing going on and there he logs back out a couple of hours later he gets a cable saying oh sorry

[26:05] we inadvertently sent that to you we meant to send it to this other office instead please delete the cable from your system he's like okay he deletes the cable from the system well a couple of days later uh somebody from the office of security comes down to his office they said hey did you uh did you access this gmail account he said yeah i got a cable saying here's the account here's the password so i went in and checked it out to see if there was any actionable intelligence in there any threat information and they said well you didn't have

[26:36] authorization to go into that gmail account right gmail is it's a google account google's a us company you didn't have authorization from law enforcement he said i didn't know i needed authorization from anybody they sent me the cable and they told me here's the password they charged him with a felony count of uh illegally accessing a computer so i like whoa wait a minute wait a minute i'm the watch officer they sent me the cable telling me check it out we just got the information here's the information

[27:07] so like you uh they made his life miserable and then they offered him a plea he took a plea to a misdemeanor he did 12 months of probation lost his job at the cia lost his pension his federal pension and ended up going on welfare for a year before he finally found a job in oklahoma of all places but he says he was completely humiliated and now he's got a criminal record and for what he said i didn't have any criminal intent right into it right right

[27:40] okay i don't care what your intent was oh my goodness you know and it's funny you say that because i've been i i i emailed now john you're gonna get on to me for this it's kind of funny though it's kind of funny i emailed the contact for id 2020 i said listen i want y'all to come on my show

[28:10] just to talk about how uh your ideas for um the future and how the the id chips and things are going to take place yeah i got an email back i'm kidding saying right now we're not doing any interviews or podcasts or radio show interviews um but if you contact us later on this year we would love to speak to you this was before the pandemic by the way

[28:43] um and so i'm like okay because me being a researcher and me knowing how the government moves as well as you do so please don't take that um the wrong way i know you know a lot more than i do because i was just i was just a little peon and you were the top uh you were at the top i was lucky i had to get yeah um which is crazy because i remember this one day i walked in i i worked at the d and d buildings

[29:14] you know where that's at right yes okay so work that so i helped build uh the it and and uh department uh the all the computers and things for dd3 and dd4 um and those who don't know what we're talking about we're not going to say it because that's actually classified information oh you don't want to do that and then we yeah they definitely will kick down our doors for that but anyway um um so when i was standing up dd4 is what

[29:45] we call it i.t guys we stand at bd4 when we stand up dd4 um i had i walked into a vault and this lady was like hey randy how you doing now mind you you don't know my first name i thought the fbi investigation all that was over the following week i go to work and my mentor comes to me and says hey

[30:18] why are they looking for you i said who it said cia police are looking for you they want to talk to you and he says the way that they're going about it is as if you've done something but i've been around you every single day i know you haven't done anything and i'm like okay oh gee i don't know what's going on i called emoji too so i was out i was like okay og i don't know what's going on i go there i go to my office i do my i do my uh i

[30:49] pull up my information on my computer through the private network to see what tickets i have for that day to fix people stuff i get escorted to an interrogation room my boss is there he says hey randy how you doing i said i'm fine he says okay i have to leave now he walks out they interrogated me john for six hours oh my god with one cup of water which by the way was one of those small dixie cups which

[31:20] was halfway filled they pulled out my personal email my text messages my phone logs my social media post and the excuse that they had was i'm too anti-government they don't trust me on their properties oh my god so they fired me that day and said if you want to appeal it we'll send it to you in a letter in the mail which i never got and do not post anything against us again

[31:54] now mind you the social media posts they pull i believe i i i'm a christian i follow the teachings of christ um um however that and i don't do theological gangbang and i don't get on to other people about what they believe i respect everyone i love everyone so i'm not that kind of guy so don't come at me with the all that stuff um but i i it was a segment that i taught in

[32:24] the book of revelations where it talks about how god was going to come back and he was going to overthrow the wicked government and establish righteousness on the earth and etc etc etc and they used that as a reason why they were trying to say that i was waiting for a messiah to come to rescue me quote unquote a black messiah to come and rescue me from the wicked government and i was going to i have the influence to build a militia to overthrow the government

[32:56] this is what they were saying to me doing doing and no lie i'm not gonna lie i thought when the guy brought the jug of water in in a cup i was like am i probably getting waterboard right now like is this really about to happen like i was like oh snap this is really about to happen to me um but you know at the end of the day man i um i just want i want the truth to be out there and

[33:27] i want to see i want the american citizen to realize that it's gotten so bad that it doesn't matter what your color creed or code is the elites are out to get us all yes and we have to stand and unite together to fight against them i had a guy on my show before uh he helped me do my documentary which got taken offline by the way

[33:59] called inventors of evil i talked about how the elites meet up secretly um and they have conversations i talked about a lot of the things that's on that documentary that's on netflix called the family yeah um yeah um i talk about how um as part of our indoctrination into the agencies they say that anything you see in television or movies we have more than that

[34:30] um i'll talk about that all but i bring all that up to ask this question is it too late to go off grid is it too late to be so protected that you're not bothered or do we all just need to unite and stand up for what is right what are some give us some guidelines from your perspective on how we can protect ourselves from this kind of tyranny it's funny that you ask that i'm

[35:00] actually under contract to write a book for sky horse publishing called the cia guide to disappearing and living off the grid and the truth of the matter is you can't disappear and live off the grid in the world of technology that we have today um not unless you you just issue any any use of technology no more cell phone no more computers no more internet you you can be like eric rudolph the the abortion or the uh

[35:33] yeah you could live in the woods and then sneak into town at night and go through restaurant dumpsters and stuff but that's yeah yeah yeah um so you can't um and you know what randy to me that would almost be like giving up to tell you the truth wow um i want to fight them uh i want to fight them with ideas you know uh it's it's funny i one of the things that i learned in my in my whistleblowing experience is that i should accept support and help

[36:05] wherever i find it yes and so you know i remember when i when i first got my when i first got arrested my wife said to me well you never have to hide your politics again and i said you know what you're right i i have nothing to hide now i can say what's on my mind instead of you know sure that i'm in the mainstream with everybody else now i can say what i believe well as it turned out that many of my supporters were from from the right people who believed in

[36:38] civil liberties wow so you know i i got home from prison and i'm getting calls from like ron paul um i write i i i'm on the talker carlson show all the time he actually called me yesterday so i i'm happy to take support from the right and i get support from the left too but i also learned that there's this other group out there that's neither right nor left they're just concerned about the same kinds of things that i'm concerned about

[37:08] our personal freedoms our liberties civil rights human rights um you know the rule of of law and when i say rule of law i don't mean like you know the cop kind of rule of law i mean our constitutional rule of law yeah yeah um i believe that there are some aspects of our society that are out of control and need to be reined in number one being the police i i you know i'm i'm a follower of so

[37:39] many of these pages cop block and police the police seriously right the outrages that we see every single day literally every single day should lead every american to believe that the system is broken and it needs to be repaired and the only way to repair it is to completely tear it down and rebuild it yes yes come on man same thing with sentencing sentencing reform right we've had so many consecutive

[38:10] administrations that want to be tough on crime well what does that mean that means we have five percent of the world's population and we have 25 of the world's prison population that means that we have mandatory minimums that no other country has that means we have people serving life without parole for first time non-violent drug offenses yes yes come on brother come on man named and we gotta take the whole thing apart

[38:42] you know and and i agree because you know is there's there are people who work for these agencies and for the government that if they are aware of what's actually going on will help us in this fight yes yeah if they knew and it's it's people like me and you whistleblowers like me and you who shine light on that and it's because it's more of us than it is them yes it it is and if they they have a

[39:15] scare tactic they have people in fear and not understanding that it's us the people it's we the people who actually have the power to shut all this down if all we do is unite and overthrow them um but listen i'm not going to take too much more your time like five five more minutes um

[39:45] i first of all i want to say i'm humbled i'm honored truly and i'm not just saying it's because you're on my radio show right now but i'm being for real i'm truly humbled and i'm honored to know you to to to to be have access to you to have you on my show thank you you're a hero to me bro and i mean that from the bottom of my heart you're a hero to me man tell me where you live we'll go out for a beer yeah i'm in maryland oh you are yeah okay good when this

[40:16] when this thing is over let's uh we'll meet up for a beer yeah yeah i got some i got some stories i could tell you offline that uh i think is worthy of a cocktail or two um but real quick i want to spend the last couple minutes i want you to tell my audience what you're doing what you have next where to support you at and the whole time thank you um i've got a website john kiriakou.com john john kiriakous

[40:47] k-i-r-i-a-k-o-u dot com um i sell copies of my first book there my first book was published by random house back in 2010 i have the only remaining hardbacks they're just a handful of them i'm happy to sign them and dedicate them any way you want um i also yeah i'm happy to send it to you cool and i've got a couple of other books i wrote doing time like a spy how the cia taught me to survive and thrive in prison that actually won one of the country's four top uh literary awards the pen first amendment award and um let's see

[41:19] the next one was uh the convenient terrorist uh abu zubaydah and the weird wonderland of america's secret wars hey john hold on one second tell me your website one more time so i can write it to the audience thank you it's uh j-o-h-n okay k-i-r-i-a-k-o-u dot com i also made a hundred art prints uh you know woody guthrie the folk singer

[41:51] famously had a beat up old guitar and he stenciled on the guitar this machine kills fascists well i did an art print uh it's a it's a legal page and it says this desk kills fascism because they the cops in prison tried to take my desk off the wall so i would stop blogging and um i paid a guy a bag of tuna fish to strip the bolts and so the cops couldn't get it off the wall pad this desk kills fascism and i stuck

[42:22] it on the thing and the cop tore it off and crumpled it up and threw it at me and so i've made an exact copy and i um i'm selling those on my website to waste raise money for my attorney's fees no less and i'm also on facebook and twitter and i look forward to hearing from people um again john i'm i don't know if you can feel it through the airways or not i'm so humbled and appreciative brothers for real man

[42:52] i know i begged you for what a month to come on this but we lost touch for a while yeah and you know it's because i draw strength from other whistleblowers i really do um because it's a lonely world yeah it's a very lonely world and it gets depressing and sad if you don't have people to talk to to uplift you and hold you up so i appreciate you again and um we're definitely going to do a part two um i have some videos and things

[43:23] i want to show and i want your input on uh to the audience and the fans um i'm setting up a vpn right now so they won't cut my live stream off no more yeah so um again i appreciate you if there's any other things you want to say to the audience before we end the show just please say it and then we'll dismiss after that uh thank you well first of all the pleasure is all mine thanks for inviting me thanks for having me

[43:54] and i really do look forward to uh to doing it again we can finish our conversation yeah yeah oh and i'm gonna hold you to your word too about coming to merlin i'm serious i don't like beer but i like jack daniels okay so yeah um but anyway thank you man i appreciate it until we talk again everyone go support the the everything he just said um i i have his website pinned on the

[44:26] live stream and john i'll send you the live stream so you can uh blast it out to other people as well thank you um and i appreciate you uh be blessed and have a wonderful night sir thank you randy thanks for having me okay take care bye-bye
