Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-08-09
URL: https://youtu.be/u-8vskJZ_mE
Duration: 71:00

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[00:00] Yeah, let's get into it. Right, Gaza. So, the news the news was uh all day long this very bleak >> um assessment of what was about to happen. Netanyahu's war cabinet voted yesterday, as expected, to authorize the IDF to go in and occupy all of Gaza, including Gaza City, which is sort of the last redout of where civilians can still live sort of uh in the rubble.

[00:31] >> The question was, what's going to happen to the hostages and the Gazins when this happens? And basically, the assessment was the hostages are all going to be killed. and a lot more Gazins are going to die unnecessarily and the genocide is going to accelerate. This whole thing really appalled the international community and uh now you've seen a huge reaction. Germany said announced that it was going to stop transfer of weapons to Israel. Germany is of course a very

[01:03] tight ally >> ever mostly due to the guilt from World War II and the Holocaust. um kind of understandably uh but it's also kind of stupid in some ways. But that's you know we can leave that for another time maybe. But anyway, John, you informed me just as we were about to go on the air that there's been some break late breaking developments here. >> Yeah. Yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu announced just in the last 20 minutes or so that there has been such an international outcry and there has been such strong

[01:33] international pressure on the Israelis for taking this stupid decision to to occupy Gaza City that they have just canled the plan. They're not going to invade and occupy Gaza City. Now, that doesn't really change anything. Like you said, Ted, people are just living in the rubble. literally living in rubble probably with many thousands of dead bodies under there that haven't yet been counted. But this is really the first

[02:03] time that the Israelis have responded to largecale international pressure since this thing started. It's the first time. So, I hope that uh that these countries, and they're mostly Western countries because everybody else already supports the Palestinians, but the Western countries, I hope, will keep this up because uh it might be the only thing to save some Palestinian lives. >> Um so, yeah, finally the Israelis are feeling the heat. They seemed impervious. >> Yeah, very much so.

[02:35] >> So, I guess now the question is what next? I mean, you know, Okay, so >> can't trust them. >> No. Well, that's that's that's clearly true. Um, I guess the question now is though, okay, so if the Israelis aren't going to do that, I mean, the status quo isn't access isn't acceptable really for anyone, right? It's not certainly not acceptable for the Palestinians who live there. And it's not really from the standpoint of the Israelis acceptable either. Uh, they don't want to leave Hamas in charge. uh they don't want to

[03:08] understandably I think yeah the Palestinian Authority isn't viable for a variety of reasons uh Israelis won't accept them but that's fine the Palestinians won't accept them either so it's like now the we are sort of we're back at square one right is does this mean Germany's going to resume arms shipments by the way >> I would suspect yes that they would resume arm shipments you remember the Germans more than any other western country have this policy fueled by guilt by national guilt over the Holocaust.

[03:38] And now they're bending over backwards and practically fighting with the Greeks to see which country can be the most pro-Israel. Greece is starting to see some upheaval, largecale uh uh demonstrations against the government for its support for Israel. Uh we've already seen pictures and video of Israeli cruise ships docking, for example, at my ancestral island of roads and Israeli tourists not being able to get off the the boats because so many Greek protesters have turned out to tell them to get the hell off our island that

[04:10] we didn't want Israeli tourists because of the way they treat Palestinians. It's getting to the point where the the the government, the Mitsutakis government is going to have to decide if they're going to be on the side of human rights or are they going to be s on the side of, you know, splitting the oil wealth in the Eastern Mediterranean with the Israelis. And so far, they're choosing the money. So, we'll see. It's getting ugly, >> but not for much longer. So, Marcel has a question. What do we think? What was

[04:40] the line that got crossed? Was it the effect of all this the string of countries recognizing Palestine? Well, you can't you can't possibly ignore that, right? I mean, >> that was a big part of it. >> The French announcement triggered a whole string u the UK, Canada, so on. Now, the Germany uh arms transfer threat. Uh, you know, I mean, there's been, um, there's been some loud outcry inside is the Israeli political scene where people um, you know, generals,

[05:10] former IDF guys, former Shinbet guys have all said, "This is a disaster. We're being cut off. Our country is going to become an international pariah. It is." Um, uh, one guy said it's going to become a leper country. Um, and basically they're, you know, they're finally noticing, although, >> yeah, >> the protests, John, that have taken place in Tel Aviv over the last 24 to 48 hours, they're still not about the Gazins. It's still not about being a

[05:42] country that commits genocide. It's still about the safety of the hostages. I mean, I understand. I'm not saying they shouldn't care about the hostages or that it was okay to take them. it wasn't. Um, but that said, it's all they care about to the exclusion of all else, even on the left. >> Yeah, I think that's exactly right. There's going to have to be a major change here. Um, you know, one of the things, too, you and I were discuss discussing this very briefly just before the show started. It's the the Russian

[06:13] position on Ukraine. It looks like there may be something of a breakthrough. Well, there's kind of a side story to that, too. The Iranian government said today how how sorely disappointed um the Iranians have been um over the fact that the Russians have been all talk when it comes to support for Iran in the in the Iran the 12-day Iran Israel war. The Russians did nothing but say nice words. That was pretty much it. And so, you know, we talk about the Western

[06:44] countries lining up whether it's behind the Israelis or the Palestinians when the the Palestinians are supposed to be feeling this really great Russian support, Russian, Chinese, Indian, etc. And they're not. The Russians are preoccupied with Russian stuff and with with Ukraine. They're not really doing anything anywhere else. Well, um, you know, Iran, let me, uh, introduce you to former President Assad if you want to know, uh, what it's like for Russia to sort of decide to not be so interested in you in any way.

[07:15] >> Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. >> I mean, is that legitimate? I mean, does is Russia is just legitimately overextended and it's like guys are going to have to understand? >> I think so. Do they just not care? Are they just being [ __ ] Or is it a little bit of both? I think that they're overextended, you know. And I'll tell you the reason why I I come to that conclusion is that Assad gets on the plane and flies to to Moscow. And then the Russians release a statement meant for Galani saying,

[07:49] >> "Can we please keep our bases?" >> Oops. >> Yeah. And then Galani's like, "No, get the hell out." And that was it. They're out. They're out. So they they so miscalculated because they're preoccupied with Ukraine clearly. I want to add too as an aside. Um I had a friend over uh the last couple of days, two friends over. One of them is a former special forces guy and even though he's almost 60 years old, he is built like like the rock. Right.

[08:19] >> Right. >> And he has friends who are fighting. Do you remember that uh Ukrainian volunteer force where Malcolm Nance and a bunch of other Americans signed up to go fight? So apparently it's still a thing and he's got some friends there that are that are fighting and they sent him a couple of pictures of North Koreans that they had killed. >> And you should see the stuff that these North Koreans have in their pockets. It's all propaganda. like they all have

[08:49] the same exact things saying that they're fighting for the glory of the the dear leader and they're they're going to make North Korea proud. It has nothing to do with Russia. The the the issue though is that that the average Russian is tired of fighting this war and there just aren't enough Russians to keep this constant supply of people going to the front. Now, the Ukrainians of course are having the same exact problem, >> right? Thus, thus the press gangs. >> Yes, thus the press gangs. And so I

[09:22] can't help but to think that, you know, there aren't enough North Koreans in the pipeline. There certainly aren't enough Russians in the pipeline. The Ukrainians are tired. I think this may be the beginning of the end of the war. >> Well, that's Yeah, I mean, I' I've been dying to talk to you about this, John, since I read it. Um, it just broke right before we went on the air. Yeah, >> Wall Street Journal reported and they've had consistently reliable reporting on this matter that uh there's this summit that's in some reports was supposed to

[09:53] already have occurred either yesterday or today. We don't know when it's going to happen. It might be, you know, it might be starting right now even as we speak. But anyway, it's a matter of hours or days, right? It's not weeks. Uh Trump's going to meet Putin in person. I've always thought that was going to be absolutely essential for anything to get done. Um and and Trump apparently Putin has conveyed to Trump not in person yet, >> right? >> That I only he's down to to one one demand. I just want Eastern Ukraine. In

[10:25] other words, no more desire um for denazification or that you can't join NATO. That's apparently no longer something. And I thought this entire war was mostly about Ukraine not joining NATO. So that you would have basically a hair trigger, you know, uh you have a couple of drunken border guards uh on the Russian Ukrainian border mix it up one night and the next thing you know it's World War II. Yeah. But that's what Putin was worried about. I would be if I

[10:57] were him. Um but he may be willing to let that go. I mean, and basically he just wants the uh status quo to, you know, basically let's let me have the Donbos and Crimea, which let's face it, there's no getting them back anyway. >> Yeah. >> And I walk away. I I take my ethnic Russians with me. Uh if you hate Russia, you're going to view this as basically it's a Sudatan land sellout. >> Um you know, and basically that's that's the deal. I mean, first of all, do you

[11:29] believe that report? And if so, do you think it's enough to get a peace deal across the finish line? And can the Ukrainians be rolled? So, three questions. I I maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I think that this is the beginning of the end of the war. I really do. You know that they the Ukrainians already don't trust the Trump administration. That they see that the Democrats are in disarray just like we see it. and they're probably not sanguin that that

[12:00] significant aid is going to pick up again. Um, sure they've got the Poles and the and the Germans and the Brits, but that can't last forever. And other European countries are already saying enough. Enough is enough. And so, you know, there's no among Ukrainians, too, there's no really deep love of Crimea. Crimea's only been a part of Ukraine since 1953. It was a gift from Kruev who was Ukrainian, >> right, >> to Ukrainian SSR, >> right?

[12:30] >> And so I think that deep down they don't don't really care so much. >> It's symbolic. >> Yeah, I think so too. >> Yeah, >> it's really part Yeah, in my view it was never should have been part of Ukraine and um you know in 1991 probably Crimea should have been returned to Russia uh when at the time of the split, but that's not how it went. And um the Donbos is a little more complicated. >> Yeah. >> But but there's e but it's mostly ethnic Russians who I think mostly want to be

[13:00] in Russia. >> You know, it's funny. All the Ukrainians that I know, all the Ukrainians who are friends of mine, including my best friend's wife, are ethnic Russians. And they hate the fact that there's been fighting. They hate the fact that there's been death and destruction, but they want to be Russian. They speak Russian at home. They're members of the Russian Orthodox Church. They want to be Russian. And when Russia offered these people the right to apply for uh Russian passports,

[13:33] they took them up on it in droves. They didn't have to. No one's no one's holding a gun to their head saying come down to the passport office. >> That's right. They wanted they wanted to be and let's not forget that for the last uh you know for the eight years prior to the war um the Russian the the Russian independence forces the you know represented by the so-called PPRs right the people's republics um of Dunetskin Luhansk uh they wanted to uh they've

[14:04] been they've been fighting and getting bombed and shelled by the Ukrainians I mean so it is it was kind of a it was a separatist movement to begin with. I mean, this is kind of like it's almost like the Kurds, right, in Turkey. Sort of. I think it is. I think it is like the like the Kurds in Turkey. Uh there was something else, too. I just saw uh from Marble 455. Ah, this is the $64,000 question right here. Does the US lift sanctions if Putin makes a deal with

[14:35] Trump? >> That is the question. >> That's the question. That's what it all comes down to. Yeah. >> Well, and I guess I mean I I'd have to think that that would be an important part of the deal for Putin. >> It would have to be. It would have to be because we've we've made it just difficult enough for Russia to sell gas to the point where we're now threatening the Indian government with 50% tariffs if they if they don't stop buying Russian gas. You know, we're going to

[15:05] end up having sanctions or tariffs on practically every country on the world unless we can get this thing settled. Plus, John gets his TV show back if the sanctions are lifted. >> Right. True. >> And and I need the money very badly. >> Yes. Yes, you do. So do I. But I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't think the radio's ever coming back, though. >> No, I don't think so either. >> Unfortunately. >> Yes, that's right. It was it was it it never should have gone away. Um

[15:36] yeah, so I guess yeah, I I agree with you. I think that uh I think this is the beginning of the end. It's a breakthrough. I think you know what's going to really if Trump really wants to get across the line and maybe be a serious contender for the Peace Prize. Not that they will ever give it to him. Um he's going to need to do something he doesn't like to do. He's going to have to spend overnight meeting with with Putin. Um, you know, probably like four, five nights in a

[16:06] row. >> Yeah. >> And just do nothing else. >> Where do you think that >> focus, focus, focus and listen to Putin talk about, you know, medieval Russian history for hours on end? >> Yep. >> And then they can get there. I think I think this is about Putin needs to feel like this guy, he showed up, he's gonna listen, he's gonna give me what I want, he's going to be respectful, he's going to recognize Russia as a great power, and then we're good. >> Yeah. Um, where do you think a meeting

[16:38] like that would take place? It would have to be in Asia somewhere, right? >> Yeah. You know, that's that's a good point. Um, you know, I could see maybe the Japanese hosting something like that or Hong Kong >> or Singapore. >> Yes, >> something like that. >> Just like just like with talks with the North Koreans, the first was in Singapore. >> Yeah, because they, you know, in Qatar is has been mentioned here, but doesn't seem like I don't know. I think that's a look that Trump doesn't want.

[17:08] >> Yeah, I think that's right. Especially when he's going to get his new 747 soon. He could do Paris. >> Yeah. Yeah. Hungary. >> True. You could totally do Hungary. >> It's It's a friendly place for both of them. >> It is. It is. >> That That's That would be a sweet spot. Off to Budapest. >> Candace Strike, thank you so much. Thank you for that generosity. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Thank you indeed. >> Thank you. I didn't want to let it go. And Marble 455 has another good question. Didn't they fire the Russian

[17:39] embassy DC Chef? I'm surprised anybody outside the diplomatic community knows about that. That was actually a very big deal. The Russian embassy brought their own chef from Russia. Every year in the diplomatic community, there's a cookoff and all the embassy chefs compete. This guy won every single year. And then as soon as the war broke out, the State Department announced that they would not renew his visa. I I was invited to lunch

[18:11] at the Russian ambassador's residence with a bunch of other people. It was like 12 of us, Peter Kousnik and a bunch of people. And the chef really was that good. As good as they built him up to be >> really. >> And then he was gone like 4 days later back to Russia. The Russian ambassador finished his tour I'm going to say in September. He's gone and has never been replaced. So, we have a lot of rebuilding to do in

[18:42] terms of our relationship with the Russians. >> Yeah. >> I don't know what this question is. By um what do you mean? Do you think they want to divide and conquer Russia? Who's they? >> If you can just let it let us know. >> Oh, which chef? Oh, it was the Russian. The Russian. And he was he would beat the pants off the the French year after year after year. And what was funny, the ambassador told us that most of what he made was French. It wasn't even Russian food. >> Oh, so the clarification from Bosow is

[19:14] the West. Well, of course, they've always wanted to. >> Yeah. Yeah, definitely. >> I mean, the Ukraine war was part of that. I mean, God, it's just been an endless It's been an endless uh series of attacks ever since the Bolevik Revolution. Never stopped. >> Um, the Cold War never ended, you know. They just never stopped. Uh the Russians thought that the Cold War was over, but no one told the US. >> Ted, four minutes ago, >> a story broke. Uh >> oh. >> That President Trump has met with the leaders

[19:46] of Azerbaijan and Armenia >> this afternoon and they will sign a joint peace declaration to end four decades of conflict. So this is Negorno Carabach. >> It's Negorno Carabach. And for the first time, peace is at hand since the conflict started in 1988. And they're both lauding the peacemaking acumen of Donald J. Trump.

[20:18] How do you like that? Well, that's great. Now I the way I remember that working out though wasn't isn't that kind of like all right so >> correct so maybe we we need to summarize what happened here with so yeah so at the end of the so in 1991 when the Soviet Union broke apart yeah >> uh a lot of the borders didn't make a lot of sense but basically the borders of the 15 autonomous republics all became 15 independent nations such as they were and there ended up with what

[20:50] they called frozen conflict zones all for the USSR all over the place like the Transnistria. There's all sorts of weird border conflicts that you hear about like in the Fana Valley and so on in between Usbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrstan. Anyway, one of them was this Negorno Carabach. Um this is in Azerbaijan. Right. Right. >> But it's but they're ethnic Armenian >> but they're ethnic Armenians. It's like it's a little island of Armenia inside Azerbaian. So recently, but correct me

[21:22] if I'm wrong. Did I I didn't hallucinate this, right? Like a few years ago, basically they were ethnically cleansed. >> Yes. >> So the basically the A the Azeris went in, >> kicked the Armenians asses >> and kicked them out and and just said, "Get the [ __ ] out." And they sent them to Armenia proper. Right. And the Armenians took the took them in, although they're not like really the same kind of Armenians anymore. >> And they have a funny accent. >> Yeah. But anyway, so so now Azerbai, so basically the um the the Armenians lost

[21:56] >> Yeah. >> they lost their people. They lost their ethnic brothers. And so basically, I guess, isn't this pretty much just accepting the facts on the ground, much like Russia and Ukraine? >> Well, some of our our listeners are making points here that I think are very good. EO not sure this is good for Armenians. Exactly. I'm of exactly the same mind because the Armenians are are being forced to operate from a position of weakness. >> Um they've already been been beaten. They've already been ethnically cleansed

[22:27] and um so I'm not sure what the Armenians are getting out of this. But then um oh it uh >> maybe money. >> Oh, here it is. The president of Armenia said Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Houdini said it. >> Really? it. I I mean this is just I I can't wrap my brain around this. It's like every day whether it's Congo, Rwanda, it's it's Cambodia, Thailand, it's Armenia, Azerbaijan, it's like what what I mean it's >> could this actually happen?

[22:57] >> Yeah, I know. It's like a it's like a fever dream. Um >> like a fever dream. Yes. And it's yeah, it's very strange because this same I mean Donald Trump is both an ignorant fascist blowhard and a brilliant peacekeeping genius at the same time. Oh, Trump hinted that there might be possible Somali land peace treaty. I went to Somaliand in 2011.

[23:28] There's literally nothing there. It's just sand and a couple of villages. So this is nearria, right? This is north >> in Ethiopia. Uh near Ethiopia. Yeah. >> It borders Djibouti. >> And um they just want to be an independent country. They're happy to ally themselves with the United States. They just don't want to be a part of Somalia because Somalia is a, you know, it's a a pirate country. Um yeah, and Obama won his Nobel Peace Prize just because his name wasn't George W. Bush.

[23:58] >> That's all he had to do. That was it. literally he was he he there's no peacemaking actually that occurred quite to the contrary right he expanded he sent more troops to Iraq and Afghanistan >> kind of taking a page from the Kissinger playbook >> like to try to you know we'll make peace after we accelerate the war >> QQTF at the bottom here has a good question um it's about the corridor to uh not just I I can never say it not just Javan >> so do they get the do they get the corridor

[24:30] I mean, that's really what they want. >> The Armenians. >> Yeah. >> We don't we don't know anything about this peace deal. Yeah. >> This deal just Yeah. There's no details available. >> Yeah. We don't we don't know. But that's really what they need. They need that corridor. >> You know, interestingly enough, too, the Iranians hate the Azeris. All my Iranian friends when they talk about Azarbaian, they'll refer to it as the other Azarbaian because there's an Iranian state. >> Azeris are a huge ethnic minority in Iran. Yeah, >> huge. And even in in Azerbaijan, one of

[25:02] the official languages is Farsy. Yeah. Djibouti. I I was in the I I'll say some funny thing that that USC XXX A-Rod 21. Haha. Djibouti. I I was in the Holiday and Express in Salt Lake City on Saturday and I walk in the lobby to check in and there's this big huge guy there and he points at me and he says, "Hey, YouTube CIA guy."

[25:34] And I said, I said, "Right, right. Nice to meet you." And I put out my hand and I shook his hand. And he said he said he watches my my videos when he's laying in bed at night, which is funny because I watch other people's videos while I'm laying in bed at night. I've never actually seen one of my videos on on >> No, I would not. I never read my own books. I >> Tik Tok. >> No, no, no, I don't either. >> And um he ran back up to his room. He says, "Stay right here." He runs back up to his room. He comes back down with a challenge coin. And it turns out he's the the American embassy's regional

[26:05] security officer in Djibouti. >> Oh. And so we we started ch talking about Djibouti and he said, you know, Djibouti is really really underestimated. It's a little teeny tiny country. It has only one city >> called Djibouti. >> Mhm. >> And um you know, a couple of villages here and there. It's very poor, but we're there militarily. The Chinese are there military militarily. And the French Foreign Legion still has a presence there. It's 16 miles across the water from Yemen. So everybody's

[26:36] interested and it's connected to Somalia on the south to help us fight the pirates. >> This is a very important place. >> Uh as by the way speaking of if for people who aren't aware I think most of our viewers are >> uh Azerbaijan you know is the is why Hitler invaded the Soviet Union right people are always like why did why did something stupid like that? Right. It was to get the oil fields in Baku. >> That's exactly right. He was like, "Oh my god, what am I going to do? I have

[27:06] this allied oil embargo. Europe, occupied Europe's not getting any oil. I've got to get the I've got to get that Soviet oil." Uh, and then he got started a month late. >> And that's what did him in. >> That's what did him in. >> Yes. The weather turned. >> Yeah. And also that the late start, right, there was a there was some kind of coup in um in in in the Balkans, right? Like someone overthrew his Nazi puppet. I think was it in Serbia, Croatia? >> No, it it was in um

[27:38] Hungary. It it was uh uh Hydrick Central Europe. Yeah. >> Yeah. Or Czechoslovakia. >> It was in Czechoslovakia >> or maybe >> but it was one of those. And he was like, I can't let that pass. I have to send my army there. And then by the time he got started, so Azaran's really has a it was a lynch pin to a hugely important, you know, uh historical event. I'm Houdini makes a point too. He had to go save Mussolini. This is something that the Greeks are so so proud of. Um

[28:10] in October 1940, Mussolini ordered his prime minister, I'm sorry, ordered his ambassador to go see the prime minister of Greece at midnight and he gave um prime minister um Metakas an ultimatum to just surrender to the Italians and that Italy would occupy Greece and he said oh which means no. So now there's this national holiday called Oi Day. It's celebrated both in Greece and in the United States among Greek Americans. It's a very very important holiday. So the Italians attacked Greece the very

[28:43] next day. And the Greeks not only beat the Italians back, but the Greeks ended up occupying the southern third of Albania. And so Hitler had to send troops to Greece to bail out the Italians. and it set back the invasion of of the Soviet Union to the point where later um uh Churchill said, "Henceforth we will not say that the Greeks fought like heroes. We would we will say that heroes

[29:15] fought like Greeks." >> And they still quote it. >> My phrase. >> Yeah. They still quote it. But but the Greeks are very proud that that their steadfastness against the Italians and then against the Germans delayed the invasion of the Soviet Union and helped to win the war in the end. >> That's no that's that's seriously incredibly important. All right, so let's talk about um so what's going to come out of this uh Russia Ukraine thing? Obviously >> I don't know, man. I'm always accused of being overly optimistic and it's because

[29:47] I've got like a, you know, financial stake in this peace this peace deal. >> Yeah, that's why I'm not optimistic because I have a financial stake in this peace deal. Not as big as yours, but yeah, >> I want my show back. So, I want my health insurance back. This Obamacare, I wish I never heard of Obamacare. Oh my god. Anyway, >> it's Yeah, it's all it's evil. >> By the way, next week, I didn't tell you yet, John. got a guest coming in to talk about sanctions. >> Uh an expert about the effect on

[30:17] sanctions. Uh you know, it's nothing that you'd be surprised by, but the details are very are are really interesting. >> Excellent. Excellent. >> Think we're going to do that Thursday. >> I have a lot of questions about sanctions. >> Yeah, I I know we both care about the topic a lot. I think sanctions are ridiculous. I'm not saying they can't work. They just sort of almost never do. >> Um I guess is is is my answer to this. Um let's talk about uh the census. So >> yeah. Yeah.

[30:48] >> So >> this thing's spreading man. >> Under the US Constitution, the uh Census Bureau counts the number of people in the United States every 10 years. Key word is the people in the United States. Now, um Donald Trump is has he signed an executive order. Um by the way, um John, I don't know. I think we're each going to get our own personal executive orders from Trump every day from now on telling us like what to wear, like you know, like how we should do our hair, all that

[31:18] stuff. And anyway, so so he's he's he's he he's really got, you know, he's he's very granular this guy. He's like Turkman Bashi. Turkman Bashi would sign he like, you know, that Turkman Bbashi the dictator uh Sapper Murat Nyazaf of Turk Menistan. Yeah. was such a personalized dictator that he literally personally um considered every college application >> in saying that >> all of them >> absolutely nuts >> and and he like he was like also he was like oh people should stop smoking it's

[31:50] not good for you his doctor made him stop smoking so he's like okay smoking is banned that's >> just like that what was the deal Ted with why did every car have to be white >> you know that's a good question although frankly very Turk menistan might be the hottest country in the world. So, white is best. >> That makes sense. >> Hot place. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah. So, he was he looked like a like a sort of like a business dude really like a cheap business dude wearing a cheap

[32:20] suit. Um yeah. Anyway, so acting like Turkman Trumpashi is uh wants the mig all immigrants out of the census, right? The practical effect of this is, of course, it's another GOP attack on the blue states, right? Because they think that a disproportionately high number of illegal immigrants live in the on the coasts. I'm not sure that's really true, right? But John, isn't the purpose of a census going back to Roman times? It's

[32:51] never been about citizenship status. No, it's always been about trying >> the number of people, >> who Yeah. And how many people live here? what kind of people are they? Um it it I mean without this information, it seems to me like it would be just like not having reliable economic statistics. It would be hard for demographers inside the government, inside of business to make intelligent decisions. I mean about any number of things. I mean they're still here whether you count them or not, right? >> And they have an economic effect. They

[33:22] have an effect on crime and a million other things. Yes. You're just not going to count them. I mean, it doesn't seem like a good idea. >> No, it doesn't seem like a good idea. I mean, how do you how do you how would an urban planner, for example, >> plan public transportation routes if none of these people >> exist, >> right? You just pretend they don't exist. >> It's about reality. John, I used to work for a traffic engineering department when I was a a young man and um the I remember like we used to we would time

[33:54] how fast cars went on the roads and the idea the ideal is that when you drive down the road the light turns green when you get there and you and just as you arrive, right? That's perfect. It doesn't of course always work, but like anyway, that's what you're striving for as an engineer. And of course, obviously you have c streets going the other way that you also want that to happen with. And then you also have want to give enough time for pedestrians to cross. You measure how long it takes a person to cross the street. You want to make sure that that they have enough time in

[34:24] the crosswalk and and so on. Right? So those are all the the factors that go into it. But I was fascinated when I got the job that we were measuring the actual speed of the cars, not the speed limit. And I said, well, the speed limit's 40. Shouldn't the light only turn green for the people who are going 40? Shouldn't the speeders have to hit the brakes? And they said, "No." My boss said, "You, we deal with the reality." So, the reality in my town was that people typically went 10 miles an hour

[34:54] over the speed limit. And we want them to hit that light on time. We don't want people slamming on the brakes. That causes accidents, right? People So, that's not good. So, in fact, we see um you know, red light cameras cause a lot of accidents. People slam on the brakes and get rear ended. >> Oh, yeah. happens all the time there. So anyway, the point is this is about reality. The census is about knowing the truth. It's not about knowing some theoretical idealized version of the truth. And you

[35:24] can't even the the the it seems like the compromised solution was well count them all but have a separate category for the illegal migrants. But then the problem is if you do that, the illegal migrants aren't going to cooperate with the census and because they're for fear of deportation, which certainly is a valid fear nowadays. >> Yeah. Like today, some poor guy went to NIH for some terrible disease he has. He made an appointment. They wanted to see him at NIH. And as soon as he arrived, ICE was on him and they grabbed him and took him to some detention center.

[35:54] >> Jesus Christ. >> So he's sick. Like sick enough to need to go to a hospital and now he's in a detention center. Yeah. Well, he's going to be in in real trouble. >> Yeah, he's going to be in real trouble. Um, we've got a couple of questions, too. Robbie has passed a couple on to me. Uh, why don't why don't I move to Greece? I think about that every single day. And there's an app I have on my phone called spatos. It means housecat. It's the Greek version of realtor.com every single day. And then my son is

[36:26] constantly emailing me, "Dad, look at this. Look at this condo. Dad, look at this house. Look at the view. Oh my god, it's right on the water. Yeah, but my all my kids are here. Everybody who's important to me is here. >> The the health care would be free. That's the only reason I think about it every day. The healthcare would be free. >> So, >> what big boss is saying here is correct. Um, it is the census data is used representation in the house proportional of the population of each state. So this would deprive Democrats presumably of

[36:58] some seats. It's a it's an aortionate unfortunate grab, John. I think about that, you know, of moving to France. I look at French real estate all the time. I mean, as a New Yorker, it's so cheap. >> Yeah. >> It's like they're giving it away. >> For 300 or even 300,000 euros or less, you can have a beautiful 1820 farmhouse made of stone in a picturesque village. I mean, >> man, I'll tell you, even in Athens, which is, you know, a a major city, this

[37:30] six seven million people almost, >> for 550,000, you can get a topf floor two-bedroom, two bath condo where you can practically reach out and touch the Parthonon. Seriously, 550 580 maybe. And the prices have doubled in the past three years because Russians, Chinese, and Israelis are buying up all the real estate. Yeah. No, I mean it's it's Yeah. No, Europe is better. I mean, I was looking into the French uh medical system, like

[38:00] what would happen if I were to move there, and it's like the it's so it's eight to see the doctor, whether you go in for a checkup, a whatever, or an operation, it's eight every time. >> That's the way it should be. >> Yeah. It's And that's No, that's the shitty version for people like me who didn't pay into the system, >> right? >> So, >> Right. >> Yeah. >> How are the prices in Marseilles? >> Oh, well, I Marseilles. I didn't check.

[38:32] I I do like southern France. Um >> I'm not a Marseilles fan, though. >> Yeah. I mean, I love Marseilles. I like the people. They're wild and crazy. Like, you know what that is? Marseilles is the New Jersey of France. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Uh it's like these are they're like the they're like people who are they're scumbags and they kind of like they own it. Like yeah, you know this oh nice sofa. Yeah. It fell off a truck. Whatever. >> Yeah. That's how they are. And it's

[39:03] great. You know, they're kind of like they're awesome people. But Marseilles say the city it's kind of like you know like there was that old Huey Lewis song sometimes bad is bad did a great cover of it and it's like that's what it's like it's like you know you're like oh you see the blinking like La Pigal type cafe lights and you know the skanky x-rated stores and you're like oh that's really charming and it is unless you actually have to live there. Um, but you know, I would much rather be up in Exxon Provence,

[39:33] >> right? >> Provence, like, you know, with with the fl with the flower boxes all over the place and everything's quaint and, you know, maybe. Sorry, I'm a little bit of a of a I might have liked Marseilles when I was 25, but I'm too old. >> I'm with you. Uh, somebody just asked a qu. Any advice on learning Arabic? Force and Sebastian. Um, yes, I will give you advice. Don't let it intimidate you. And here's what here's what I mean by that.

[40:04] >> When I was studying Arabic in the CIA language school, my classroom, there were just three of us in the classroom. My classroom was next to a uh the Spanish classroom. And there were six of them. And the last day that we were in class before Christmas break, one of the women from Spanish class came in and she shouted three, three, three like that. Meaning on a scale of 0 to five, three being conversationally fluent. Uh she

[40:35] had scored three in reading, three in writing, and three in speaking. And I said, "Oh my god, we haven't finished learning the alphabet yet. So, we started the last week of August. Here it is the third week of December. And we had not finished learning the alphabet. But then in April, so started in August, now I'm in April, I had my first dream in Arabic. And it wasn't gibberish. It was it was real Arabic. I'll never

[41:07] forget it. >> I happened to go to New York to see my my best friend from college. And um we got in a cab this the days before Uber. Fussa is what I studied that first year. And then um uh Khaliji dialect, the Gulf dialect. >> What is Fuss has high standard Arabic. It's like almost like Shakespearean English. >> Like what the Jordanians speak or? >> No, it's what the Yemenes speak. >> They speak the purest form of Arabic >> because Arabic might be the language

[41:38] with the biggest geographical and cultural range of any and and from one from one end of the Arabic speaking world to the other, they can't understand a single word the other guy is saying. >> But the thing is >> the writing is all the same and fussa fussa everybody understands because that's what you learn in school. They also understand most people understand Egyptian and Syrian dialects because all of the movies are made in Damascus and all the soap operas are made in Cairo. So they understand that. But um my you

[42:08] think my Arabic sounds Egyptian? Um, one of my professors Egyptian one one of my uh my teachers was Egyptian. The other two were um were Lebanese. >> Oh, that but that's a compliment. Thank you. I appreciate that. I I never have trouble getting around Egypt when when I when I go there. Everybody understands my Arabic, although they have a funky um they have a funky accent in in Egypt. Anyway, um

[42:39] uh don't get discouraged if you start learning. Just accept the fact that it's going to take a long time. It's a very >> writing is super intimidating for >> and you know what it's it's not once you learn the letters. Arabic is very mathematical in its construct. So once you train your brain, for example, the first word of every sentence is the verb. So you say, "Went Ted to the store

[43:11] or visited Ted Montana." >> Mhm. >> Once you get used to that, it just it just all comes naturally. >> That's what Latin was like. >> Yeah. Latin's very although the the word order it doesn't matter at all >> in Latin but >> and all the best Arabic singers are indeed Egyptian kum being probably the greatest >> Egyptian traditional Egyptian singing is amazing and pop is great too. >> Yeah. Yeah. I love Egypt. I really do. I

[43:41] love it. Never had a bad experience there. It's just an incredible place. It really is. >> Definitely need to go. >> Sorry I took us so far off topic. What's the hardest language to learn? I have no idea. >> I can't imagine learning Chinese. I can't even begin. >> Did you? >> Yeah, I took a I took two years of it in college. >> Is it just a question of wrote memorization? >> Uh, yes, basically. Yeah. I mean, but it's it's rough. I mean, you know, it's I think it's also decontextualized like,

[44:12] you know, with I had no one to speak speak. >> Right. Right. Right. >> And it's just sort of like I couldn't imagine needing it really. So, it was like purely in theory. It's just like I gave up. It was like I'm the kind of person like if I don't see like you I'm the kind of person like if I work for someone, I'll do anything they want if they explain why. But if I don't understand what it's for, then I'm just I can't do it. And even if it's something that I'm my own boss, if I don't see the point, I don't do it. I just like give up. I crap out. I'm discouraged. >> People are making so many intelligent

[44:42] comments here. Nadia Margaret is exactly right. The grammar in Arabic is easy and the alphabet is hard. That's why it took us all those months. But if you can get the alphabet, you're going to speak Arabic. Um, and uh, where did I just see it? Marcel, do a lot of CIA officers have accents if they learn a language? Yes. So, how do you deal with it if you're trying to recruit people? That's that's a key. That's something that I think most outsiders don't don't know is that you're not going to go into the

[45:15] terrorist group and pretend to be Lebanese or Egyptian. >> You're going to recruit a guy >> who's already in the terrorist group to report back to you. So, you're command of the language so you can deal with him. >> You're not going to be exposed. Yeah. Because there's all those things you just don't know, right? Like I remember being fascinated by during World War II, I read about a an operation where um basically um I think it was British and American operatives were dropped off on the Normandy coast to basically scope

[45:46] things out in 1942. And um they, you know, they they they spoke French and they dressed right and everything was fine and they went to cafes and they and you know what did them in? They were equipped with No, they were equipped with preWorld War II French Franks. Now, they were the same exact Franks that were in circulation because they had no new money had been printed during the war, but they were new. They were crisp and nobody and for three years no one in

[46:18] France had seen a new a new Frank and s and suddenly these are like brand new and that's how they got busted and they all got killed >> right Reed um how did CIA officers come up with an authentic backstory about their covers? You go to the office of central cover and they give you the backstory and then it's up to you to memorize it. Now, is it a like so like with Valerie Pla, she actually had a business, right? Is that necessary? Do

[46:48] you actually cover business or >> she was a deep cover officer called a knock a nonofficial cover officer? That's that's a whole different world, a whole different life. That's why I never encountered Valerie um at headquarters because they they don't even come into the building. They're so independent of everybody else. But um the rest of us like I remember going to Central Cover and they gave me a membership card in the National Trout Fisherman's Club and I had you know keys to an office in

[47:20] Indianapolis that did you know I forget what import export something or other that they give you a whole life backstory and it's up to you to know it. And so when you get stopped and they say you know who do you represent? You say, "I represent, you know, Art Vanderlay import export." They want to know the number and the number's got to ring somewhere and somebody has to answer and say, "Art Vanderlay import export. May I help you?" >> Right? >> That's of course on the on the sixth floor of the CIA headquarters. >> But then like so so the so the doesn't

[47:52] it so the cover can't really be like, "Oh, I work at Chase at uh JP Morgan Chase." And of course they call and you don't work there. >> No. Unless you're non-official cover like Valerie, in which case, not only, yeah, do you work there, you actually physically work there and you do you do your eight hours and then after your eight hours, then you go out and do your CIA eight hours. That's a freaking hard job. I mentioned to a couple of weeks ago, I think um about uh Amarillis Fox

[48:23] Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s uh daughter-in-law. She was a deep cover officer, but her cover was she was a um an an art consultant. So, she would recommend art purchases to very very wealthy people. Ah, Eric. Well, anyway, I'll come back to Eric in a sec. Um, she would make recommendations to very wealthy people and she would be the middle person uh in these art purchases. Eric asks, "Do you keep the double pay?" No, you give the

[48:54] whole thing back. And there is a dedicated office at the Department of the Treasury that collects the money that you earned, which in some cases is four, five, six times what you're actually earning, and then they do your taxes for you every year. >> Yeah. >> I had a boss I had a boss whose cover I had a boss whose cover was blown by Aldrich Ames. So they had to the the the phrase they use is they had to bring him

[49:24] in from the cold. And um and uh he his cover job had been as the manager of a mutual fund. And I'm I'm talking 27 years ago. He's making a million bucks a year 27 years ago. He didn't get to keep one cent of it. Not one cent. >> Question. Great question. Are you fired from the CIA if you're fired from your cover job? >> No. They'll they'll transfer you into another division. They'll probably bring you inside

[49:56] and then put you in an embassy somewhere. >> That's that's very strange. >> It's hard. Keep it all straight in your mind. >> I mean, is that the kind of thing that might inspire someone to or be make them more vulnerable to being recruited by a foreign agency? Without a doubt. get used to a certain I mean they think about all I mean I I worked in a bank and I couldn't help but think about the hundreds of millions of dollars I was dealing with every single day and think you know I just took a little something

[50:27] for me they wouldn't miss it you know I mean I think it's just I mean I obviously here I am I didn't do it >> oh yeah Ted we used to joke all the time that every every I don't know six months or so you get a you get an email from the director of the CIA. It's to everybody in the CIA. And it says, "We have just arrested one of our officers. He's being prosecuted for misuse of his CIA credit card. And let this be a lesson to everybody that you do not try to steal money from the government, the

[50:57] people of the United States, you know, blah blah blah blah blah." And we always used to say, "Why in the world would you steal $50 from the CIA?" >> Right? >> Now, does that make any kind of sense at all? I used to say if I'm going to steal from the CIA, I'm going to steal like millions, >> right? >> So, fast forward to March of 2002. A colleague and I are in a van. We've requisitioned from the motorpool. We have two duffel bags with a million dollars in cash in each one.

[51:29] And I said to him, you know that thing we always say, you can't help but think about it. Yeah. No, I remember one time I had this loan. It was a revolving line of credit, which means that uh basically it only came up every 30 days. No one checked the balance for 30 days. 30 days. $375 million. And the way that banking worked and still does actually is that New York is a is the correspondent city for the

[52:01] United States. So if a bank is like headquartered in in uh let's say St. Louis. Okay. So, and you want to wire money out of the country, it has to go through New York or LA. >> Yes, it has to. >> But if it's in New York, it doesn't have to go through anything. It's already in New York. So, if you wanted to wire that money anywhere to the in the world to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States, let's say, you could. And so, I remember just thinking, gaming it all out. It was like me and an operations clerk and my boss.

[52:35] I could get my boss to sign, my boss would sign anything that I gave him because he loved me. So just one operations clerk, you know, a $35,000 a year operations clerk and me $375 million and it would be gone for 29 days before they ever knew. And it it it haunted me. Every day I went to work, I thought about it. And uh and I was like, I could have done it. I knew how to do it. And I was just like, but that's just no way to live.

[53:05] to to live. I didn't want to be like that. Who was that guy who went to um Robert Vesco who went to >> Oh, yeah. He ran to the Caribbean. >> Yeah, he went to Cuba, right? >> Cuba. That's right. He went to Cuba. >> I don't want to be I mean, like Cuba is great, but I don't want to live like that with a target on my back. >> Yeah. No, I couldn't do it either. I couldn't do it. People have so many good questions. Uh Par uh Paris >> Robbie behind me, Jay. >> Paris is asking if uh they have if the CIA hires people with more unusual

[53:37] backgrounds. Absolutely. Yes. I've I've told this quick story before on on my very first day. >> Me, they turned me down. >> Yeah. I I was with uh there were there were people sitting on either side of me on my very first day and one uh was a was a cartoonist and they trained him to be a a master forger >> and I could have done that. >> Yeah, I know. I'm sure that you could have. And the other was a woman >> business

[54:09] for excuse notes >> and and the the woman on the other side of me her only her only training was at the false church Virginia beauty school and she became a master wig maker for for uh >> yeah for operations. So yeah, they'll they'll take well, we had a whole cadre of in-house meteorologists and you know there were a lot of art people and mutual fund managers and I mean you name it pilots

[54:39] >> art are important and yeah graphics are important. >> Yeah >> that is that is a great great question. >> Yeah that was a good one. >> All right so let's talk a little bit about something a little lighter JD Vance. So, what an idiot. >> So, Jamie Vance, for people who may not have followed this story, um he went he's from my neck of the woods. We both grew up few miles away from each other in southwestern Ohio. He claims to be

[55:10] from Kentucky, but that's a lie. >> And um he uh he he was on vacation in my old stomping grounds. My mom and I used to go to Caesar Creek, which was a stones throw from Ketaring, where I grew up. and uh JD and his and his wife and kids decided to go to Caesar Creek, which is basically an inland lake. It's very flat. It's kind of like got one of those like all over the country, you know, like the the muddy like beach. The It's kind of gross actually. >> Yeah. And >> we used to swim in our local river uh

[55:43] Nanet Creek. It was all gross and full of mud puppies and >> Yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's not as good as a Caesar Creek's not as good as a lake. I mean, as a as a river because at least a river has moving water. >> Yeah. >> Creek's like skanky and just sits like a flat. Anyway, the point is he was not pleased with the water level because he was worried that it might bottom out because the water's been running low. So, he arranged with the local authorities to uh release water from a dam so that uh you know, he basically could have his ideal vacation. Now, to

[56:17] me, this was shades of former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Uh during when the all the beaches in the state of New Jersey were closed and Chris Christie um went decided to take advantage of one of the closed beaches, he brought his family uh by him. It was just and uh and they had the whole beach to themselves while the whole state is sweltering. You know, he he gets it to himself. Anyway, this um this uh enterprising reporter who's a friend of a friend of mine heard

[56:49] about it, got a tip, and then with his editors of permission, got approval to rent a helicopter to fly over the beach with the telephoto lens and got that famous photo of chubby Chris Christie with his big flabby thighs um hanging out on the beach with it with his wife and kids and the and the cooler full of food and looking like a big pig and so this now JD Vance has better optics than that. Well, there are no optics here,

[57:21] but it really reminded me of that, right? Like, so if you live in southwestern Ohio and the water level's too low and Caesar Creek's gross and skanky, sucks to be you. But if you're the vice president of the United States and the air apparent to MAGA world, as Trump recently said, then no problem. We'll we'll do that for you. >> Absolutely scandalous. absolutely scandalous. I want to say real quickly too that a couple of uh Robbie just sent around um an MSN report that a that a a US soldier

[57:54] um Taylor Adam Lee, age 22, has been arrested and charged with espionage for offering the Russians plans for the Abrams M1 A2 tank in exchange for Russian citizenship. Um, the idiot did it over the internet and so he was quickly caught and is now in custody. >> Uh, and apparently there is an active shooter um doing his thing on the campus of Emory University in Atlanta.

[58:24] >> That's horrible. >> Yeah. >> Never a dull moment. >> No, never a dull moment is right. And it's a Friday even. It's usually quiet. >> Oh, not lately. >> No. Um, so well you you want to say anything about it JD or are we done with him? >> Yeah, JD, you know, see this is the thing. This is the kind of stupid decision that dogs politicians, >> right? Suck it up. And maybe the bottom of your canoe is going to scrape on the rocks, >> right? >> Tough luck. That's life. But now he's

[58:56] going to have to explain himself just like Ted Stevens had to explain the the bridge to nowhere or whatever it was. Or not Ted Stevens. It was uh what's her face that wanted to be vice president? Uh >> Sarah Palin. >> Sarah Palin. Um you know, you you you do stupid things and they always come back uh to to bite you. And I know this sounds silly and minor, but the knives are going to come out as soon as the election near and everybody in the Republican party is going to want to be

[59:27] the next Donald Trump. >> No question. >> Dumb move. >> Yeah. I don't think JD has it in the bag by any means. >> I don't either. And he's so young. He's so he could run for president, you know, 35 years from now. >> That's true. By the way, quick reminder for people who uh haven't done it yet. If you can follow us over on Rumble and watch us over on Rumble at just go to rumble.comcdprogram show or just go to Rumble and then just

[59:57] search for Dprogram with Ted Roll and John Kuryaku. uh we would greatly appreciate it because we literally make like much much much much more money over there. It's pennies on YouTube on Rumble. It's dollars. It's really the difference between uh poverty and um not poverty. So anyway, just a quick reminder there um to we'll we'll probably be adding some ads to the show. Yeah. >> Fairly soon, in fact. Um all right. So yeah, I think that will haunt JD. It'll come out. it will be used against him

[1:00:29] for sure. >> Yeah, I think so too. >> Apple's about to uh update their iOS. Not normally something that's terribly exciting. >> However, they're going to do some This is in the law of unintended consequences. This is a classic example, right? They want to um make it so that you can uh Oh, bad internet connection in northwestern Montana. Oh, well then I'm going to take the while while Ted is frozen. I'm going to

[1:00:59] answer um I'm gonna answer Force and Sebastian's question about hypothetically if a person has information that the CIA would want, how do you recommend getting it to them? The CIA has been very weird about stuff like this. So, what they do is they only allow the public to deal with uh the Office of Public Affairs. So, you can go online and there's contact information for the Office of Public Affairs. I would recommend if the if the information is legitimately sensitive, I

[1:01:31] would recommend doing it as a letter, an old school letter, write it out. Better yet, type it out. Put your name and contact information so they can follow up with you and then just put it in the mail and send it to them. Much easier that way. I answered the question. Go right ahead, Ted. >> Excellent. I don't really know what happened there. Uh but whatever. Okay, so what were we talking about? Oh, so Trump's so the uh >> the iOS iOS. So basically, so it's kind of like if you have Google mail, um they have a system that if you get like a

[1:02:02] spam email that goes into sort of a sub email inbox in your G in your Google mail. So going forward, you know how we all get those spam texts from sometimes from people we don't know or those spam risk phone calls on your iPhone uh from people that you don't know who are usually spammers and scammers. um you'll get like um polling requests. I get them all the time uh by text message. So in obviously people have been complaining about that. In a response attempt to

[1:02:34] respond to that, Apple says, "Okay, so we're going to make it so that all of the the only emails and texts that you actually see are the ones that are from people in your contacts." Now, I can see that being very problematic. I mean, I do want to get emails from people like listeners of the T program show. Um, I want editors to reach out and say, "Ted, I'd like to hire you for a million dollars a year. I don't want to not get that email." That's right. And so, but the point I would like to just lose the

[1:03:04] spam people, but I don't think it's possible to do one or the other. Anyway, there's concern about uh among pollsters who are basically 99% reliant on cell phones for polling data about politics and everything else and they say they're [ __ ] if um if this happens and um they don't you know they we will no longer have reliable polling information which I know there people some people might not care but I think obviously if you care about democracy and politics you do have to care. Polling does matter. Ted,

[1:03:36] are you reading Rid's uh comments here? Just in. Trump's going to meet with Putin next Friday in Alaska. >> Oh, at Sarah Palin's house. >> She can see Putin's backyard from her house. >> Yeah. Oh, the mosquitoes this time of the year. Oh my god, it's going to be bad. >> That's true. Well, that's interesting. >> That is very interesting. But didn't we say it was probably going to be in Asia? I mean, that's about as close as you can get to Asia and still be in the United

[1:04:07] States. >> So, yeah. I mean, well, I guess this is kind of >> Thank you, Marvel. >> So, this is the US. >> So, this is kind of like, you know, it's all about like, well, Trump's going to be able to say, I got Putin to come to me. >> Yeah. >> And Putin's going to be like, well, it is a former Russian colony, so >> Yeah, that's right. That's true. >> That's true. I'm looking at the Associated Press now to see what they're saying. Um, no, they haven't. Uh they haven't announced yet. >> We know Do we have a Do we have a timeline on that?

[1:04:38] >> Uh Friday. >> Oh, okay. Well, >> yeah. Trump says >> next Friday. >> Next Friday. >> Okay. So, uh is Alaska nice this time of the year? I mean, you know, it's it's summer. It's, you know, I haven't been to Alaska uh really except to change planes. I I have been to sort of Alaska-ike places at this time of year, >> like Labrador. >> Oh, man. I It was nice. >> On the first day of summer, the longest day of the year, I was in uh Iceland. Oh my god. I mean, it was like noon, 24

[1:05:12] hours. >> Oh, there's that. Yeah. >> I It It really disrupted my sleep. I I can't I can't handle that. >> Yeah, you have to have blackout curtains for sure. >> Like everyone's like a vampire. So, all right. We'll follow that. That's going to be super cool and interesting. Um and we'll see if if that's Wall Street Journal report. it turns out to be accurate. So, what do you think about this Apple iOS thing? Um, you know, is is this a bridge too far? I mean, >> I think so. I I have my own I have my own Apple phone set so that the phone

[1:05:45] doesn't ring if the number calling me is not in my contacts. It just goes straight to voicemail. >> Figuring if somebody really needs to get in touch with me and I don't know them, >> voicemail, >> they can leave a voicemail and I'll call them right back. >> Yeah, fair. Um, >> but like you, >> that's what I don't I don't answer any phone number that's unfamiliar anyway. >> No, I don't either. I don't either. But like you, you know, for example, I'll get my blood work results from the lab. And the lab's not saved in my phone. And

[1:06:16] sometimes they'll just text you from a four-digit number. I don't know how that how they do that, but you know, am I not going to have access to things like that anymore in this new iOS? >> Um, I guess not. I don't know. Maybe those are allowed. Yeah. I mean, yeah. All sorts of things, right? Like back when you got a COVID test, it would be one of those four-digit codes. >> That's right. >> Or like FedEx, like your package is on its way or any number. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Those things, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Right. And I guess unless there's five

[1:06:47] more breaking news stories, the last one I wanted to ask you about is uh Donald Trump is offering a $50 million bounty for the president of Venezuela, Nicolas Muro, >> right? >> Um this to me is a bad look for the United States. Um you know, I thought it was a pretty bad look that what we did to Manuel Noriega. um you know, dragging him off dragging a head of state into a a Georgia prison and treating him like a common criminal.

[1:07:18] >> That's right. >> And uh I think this is even it's even skankier in a way. >> Yeah, I agree. I agree. Very unseen >> practical effect. No one's going to no one's going to collect the 50 million. Plus also, who would trust the US? Didn't what didn't the US welch on like someone who gave information about Osama bin Laden? I thought that they did. It was like or it was someone like that. It might have been Khaled Shake Muhammad, but it was one of the big al Qaeda figures. >> KSM we paid and Abu Zuba we paid. But

[1:07:49] you're right. There was a story about one of the big figures and we didn't pay out a dime. >> And it seemed like we should have paid. >> Yeah. I don't remember who that was. >> Yeah, I don't remember either. I'd have to look it up. My point is I'm not sure I would trust the US to turn over the but anyway who's gonna what could you I don't understand for information leading to the arrest of Nicolas Maduro. He's the president. He he lives in the presidential palace at in Karakas. >> Yeah. >> You know where to find him. Go get him. You don't need to spend 50 cents to find

[1:08:20] him. Much less $50 million. I don't even understand what this is about. They're acting like he's on the lamb and living in Tora Bora. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> You understand this? >> Like wow. If we only knew where he was. >> I know. Hey, I should call and get the 50 million. >> I'll give you his address. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Saddam Hussein, the the the informant for Saddam Hussein got nothing. I remember that. But there was something more recent than that.

[1:08:51] >> Yeah. >> Where we stiffed him. >> Oh, yeah. Golani had a bounty, too. >> Yeah. Until he didn't. >> Yeah. Now he's our our dear trusted friend for the time being. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right. >> Oh yeah. This is This is Is that true? >> The doctor I'll tell you what >> doesn't get true doesn't trust vaccinations because they >> That's absolutely true. And polio is surging in Pakistan since then. Um, John

[1:09:21] Kerry and I were were going to go to Pakistan together in 2009 and I said, "If we go, we've got to get the doctor out." The doctor was a paid CIA asset. The CIA walked away from him, and the guy got life in prison for helping us find killed. >> Yeah. And um, and Carrie didn't want any part of it. I wrote a long detailed classified memo about who this doctor was and exactly what he did and we had to get him out. Carrie's like, "No, no,

[1:09:51] no. We're not doing any of that." Yeah. Real shame. >> Well, >> real shame. >> So, was it the doctor the 25 million? >> Seems to be >> We should have We Yeah, we should have paid him at least, you know, part of it. Um, >> and gotten him out, of course. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Gelani not only doesn't have a bounty anymore. Just wait until the big White House dinner in his honor

[1:10:21] because you know that's coming. >> That will happen. Well, once you clean up and you wear a suit, you know, he looks like a he looks like a hipster barkeep in Bushwick um with that beard. >> Yeah. Isn't that the truth? >> So, all right, John, are we deprogrammed? Yeah, Ted, I hope you enjoy your weekend and I hope you have great success at Barnes & Noble there. >> Thank you so much. Uh, for anybody who cares, uh, I'm supposed to be at the I don't know, I'm not sure I'm going to show up, but the Barnes & Noble in

[1:10:53] Callispel, Montana, 100 p.m. tomorrow, Eastern uh, central uh, what is it? Mountain time. >> Mountain time. >> That's it. Mountain Oyster time. All right, guys. Thank you so much for joining us. Please like, follow, and sh and share the show. Uh, we'll be back. uh next week, Monday. I'm not sure about Wednesday because I'll be traveling. I'll be not We might have to push that one back to Thursday, but we're normally here Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 5:00 p. p.m. Eastern time. Um please tell all your friends. Also, uh the following

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