Title: DeProgram Show with Ted Ra
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-09-11
URL: https://youtu.be/_cAlUaDXSuI
Duration: 66:00

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[00:02] Good afternoon. You're watching DPRO with Ted R and John Kuryaku. I'm editorial cartoonist Ted R. CIA whistleblower John Kuryaku is my co-host and my co-pilot in this like in this game we call life the next hour of the news. >> Not that there's anything wrong with that. >> No, not at all. Nothing at all. Um, so uh the FBI is still looking for Charlie Kirk's murderer. We'll be getting into that and exactly uh you know what comes next. Um the former president of Brazil,

[00:35] Jaier Bolsinaro, has pro whose first name I'm probably mispronouncing, has uh just been convicted on all five counts, including plotting uh to overturn the 2022 election. We'll get into that. Um I really want to talk to you, John, about this story about the Venezuelan boat uh air. Uh it's just got me fuming. Yeah. And uh some news that I didn't think I would ever say ever again. Iran Contra is back in the news. >> I know. That's the best news of the day. >> It is the best news of the day.

[01:05] >> It is. I'm liking it. >> So, uh it is Thursday, September 11th, 2025. Thanks for joining us here on Drogram. Please like, follow, and share the show. Please chime in with uh your comments and questions. We will get to all of the ones that we can. Um, I gotta say there's a very the very first one, John, before we get into it. I want to answer this or I think we should both answer it. Um, from another wonderful secret. The Republican party controls all three branches of government. Can

[01:35] they do anything to help us? This was supposed to be their big chance. What happened? Why does everything keep getting worse? >> Good question. Yeah, I you know, the Republicans will tell you, well, uh, we, um, we would need 60 votes in the Senate to break closure, so we're kind of jammed up there, and our majority is so small in the House, and the Republicans just lost two uh, interim elections last week for the House, so it's tighter than ever, blah blah blah blah blah. The truth is that

[02:08] um there's no coordinated policy. And even though Donald Trump is a strong political leader within his own party, he's not quite strong enough to force the the uh the uh Freedom Caucus people to do what he wants. >> Uh yeah, I also think that u there's a lot more of the old Republican party baked into >> coming back to the new Republican party than anyone, including the president, would like to admit. Um, and so, you

[02:39] know, there's it's the country club Republicans still running the show. They still want to cut taxes to the wealthy. They still want to get rid of social programs. They still want to suck up to big business and defense contractors. They still want to pour money into the military-industrial complex. >> They're not really a different party than they were in 1986. There's just >> You're right. >> You're right. And and that's coming out. It's like the the neocons ran for cover in 2016 and they just started coming out

[03:11] of their hiding places and they haven't been squashed back down. >> Sadly, they're becoming more and more bold. But I think you're right, Ted. I think what's happening here, and it's it's relatively slow motion. It's taken a little bit of time, but I think what's going to happen is the old Republican party is going to come back once Donald Trump is gone and they're going to be the ones in charge again. MAGA is a temporary situation. >> Yeah. MAGA is a style.

[03:42] >> Good way to put it. Yeah. >> It's it's not an ideological orientation. I mean, and I can just ask this, you know, for example, if I ask any real MAGA adherent, well, it's about making America great again. Okay. What does that mean specifically? I mean, and I'm not trying to be snotty. Those are deliberately It's a brilliant phrase because it's deliberately vague. It can mean anything you say. I mean, you know, if it's like things that basically it's things that Donald Trump wants to do. >> Yes. >> And that's going to get old >> after a while. I agree. Um, we got a

[04:13] question here, personal question about the show from Jay Herna. Any chance Michelle returns once you start pulling in the big bucks? Yeah, I doubt it. You know, I Michelle and I text each other, but it's always just interesting articles that we find or she texted me a joke the other day she thought I I would find funny, but I don't I don't think she really wants to come back. She hasn't said anything to me. Has she said anything to you? >> No, she hasn't. Um I haven't really I mean, we're still we're we're Facebook

[04:44] friends. I see. Yeah, she's been doing a lot of traveling. >> Yeah, she's been doing a lot of traveling. So, I think she's uh you know, I mean, if that comes up, we'll talk about it, you know, but there's it's not like there's any dark secrets and we're certainly we haven't been keeping her under wraps. She's not in Area 51 or anything like that. >> No, that's right. >> Uh do we think that the We have a Thank you for the donation from Fuso. Uh, do we think that the uh Charlie Kirk assassination could be a deep state false flag operation that will unite the

[05:15] right and get them off their demands for the Epstein files? >> I I doubt it. No, >> I think this is like I think this is a dist a person obviously I'm going to say disturbed because you have to be >> you have to be right. Seriously. >> So, you know, I mean even if you're not like swallowing your own tongue or whatever, you're still to do this to go and do this kind of Ted, I I'm I'm giving a talk tonight at this 911 truth event that I didn't realize was 911 truth when I agreed to do it. Um, but

[05:46] anyway, I was I there was a lunch that went along with it today and I was sitting next to this guy and he wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk. So, we're talking about Charlie Kirk. It is terrible. It's awful. I can't believe it happened. There's no excuse. They're blaming the victim. Blah blah blah. And he says, "Yeah, but he thinks he has this figured out." He says the shot was perfectly at the juggler from a distance of 200 meters. Who's good at those kind of pinpointed uh attacks? The Israelis. This is a

[06:17] Mossad operation. I And I just said, "Stop. Please >> just just stop. Please. I'm not going to have this conversation. Just stop." You know, unfortunately, look, I love spaghetti westerns, but like movies like Hang Them High and like uh The Good, Bad, and The Ugly where they have where the guy shoots the rope from like, I don't know, 400 yards away. Um I mean, you're supposed to under I think that when those movies were made, most viewers were familiar enough with guns to know that it was kind of a joke and

[06:48] kind of impossible. And now I think people think that stuff's real. They think that Bob Odenkirk can have the [ __ ] beaten out of him. Yeah. And he's not alive. He's not dead or anything. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're exactly right. Yes. >> It's I mean the the thing is the guy got the shot off obviously, right? I assume she fired at the head. I mean, but basically if the shot you shoot at someone's head and you hit any part of their body, >> you're gonna kill. >> That's a good job. You did, you know, you did what you you came for. You don't

[07:19] get aim for a specific part of the body like that. Aim for the for the I mean that's just a I can't say lucky I mean you know but it's a >> it's a very precise I don't even know it's not precise it's just that that's where it struck. >> Yes that's all. >> John Doe NXCI officer attending a conference called 911 truth. I know man this is killing me. >> I know it's an honorarium >> which is the only reason I was doing it. It's $500 I didn't have yesterday. And then my manager is like, "What?"

[07:51] $10,000. Okay. He said, "I'm gonna strangle you for taking $500." >> I kind of think your man I'm on your I'm on team manager here. Um yeah, I don't think it's enough money there. Everyone's got a price and I'm I'm one of those people, but you know that price is not high enough. >> You know, I'll tell you a secret. >> You're gonna be upset by But in three hours from now, you're going to be not happy. >> You're exactly right. Besides the fact that it's at 9:45 p.m. and I'm usually winded down by then. >> Oh, [ __ ] I'm asleep by then. >> I know, right? But uh I I just I saw

[08:24] something on eBay that I wanted and I thought, "Ah, here's an easy 500. I'll just do that." >> I kick myself. >> Well, let's see. Adam Fighter says, "I think you guys need to address this. People are conflating speaking negatively about Charlie Kirk's opinions and celebrating his death. >> It's a good point. >> I agree with that. Look, I'm I'm probably No one has probably is probably more famous in this country for speaking ill of the dead than me. I mean,

[08:55] >> you've been in trouble for it. >> I did. I said I said bad things about people like President Reagan the day that he died. I said I said he's turning Krispy Brown by now. Sean Hannity couldn't stop talking about it. said, "You have no soul." What he said was like coming from Sean Hannity. He he wouldn't know his soul if it bit him in his ass. But um you know Pat Tilman, lots of people. And um and the point is uh and I was kind of famous for my anti- uh for my anti- um obituaries that kind

[09:26] of call into question people who were well highly regarded and you know revisited them like Jimmy Carter and people like that. Okay. So there is no better time to assess someone's life than at the time of their death. And for a public figure like Charlie Kirk, Ted Ra, or John Kiryaku, the time of our death is the time when what we've said and done will be assessed and should be assessed. It's appropriate. Um, and it's very different to say, um, you know, like, look, I'm not glad that he's dead,

[09:57] right? >> And I'm not even glad that he's not that his voice has been silenced. Um, you know, and I don't agree or like a lot of the things that he said. And I think you should be able to just say like, you can even say like this guy was an [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Um, and and but no one should have killed that [ __ ] You can say that. I think that's totally fine. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I agree with that. You know, I I've gotten in trouble, too, for for obituaries that I've written for Covert Action Magazine. Anytime somebody associated with the CIA's torture program dies, I write a really

[10:28] mean-spirited alternative obituary saying that the world is better off without them in it. And um and I wrote one three or four years ago where the guy's daughter called me. >> Oh [ __ ] >> And she was like, "Shame on you, you monster." And I said I said, "You want to see a monster? Take a look at at your at your father and imagine the people that he murdered. sorry, but uh you know, now's not the time to try to pretty things up. He had that opportunity in 2002 and he elected to be

[11:00] with the bad guys. >> By the way, Candace Strike, I have no opinion about whether uh Charlie Kirk was a nice guy or not because I literally the only thing I only knew about him in the abstract. Um I kn I lost track of him after he founded Turning Point and um you know, I didn't even know he'd become this big influencer and he was huge and all that. So, oh, >> I have no I had to look him up and be like and I was like, "Oh, yeah. He's that guy, >> you know? I mean, I don't really follow all the people on the in the right-wing, you know, uh, >> for whatever reason, he's in my TikTok

[11:32] feed like every fourth or fifth short for the last two years." Um, and because I'm, you know, on my knees begging for a pardon from these these MAGA people, um, I've been sort of in the on the on the edge of the same circle. And everybody says the same thing that he was a real sweetheart as a as a person. He was just a really great guy. >> You know, I've not met him. >> You never know. Okay. So, like Bill O'Reilly,

[12:03] >> he was a really nice man to me. So nice. really I found him to be such a dick >> now. Like and well, what happened was he had been a dick and then I was getting all these death threats and I I was on his show all the time. I I had a I had a frequent flyer pass at Fox News Security. Um and they uh and one time before the show, he's like, "Ted, I hear a lot of things on my end, really bad things, and I'm worried about you. I think I'm worried that someone's gonna do something to you. if you ever want to get out of the city and you just need a

[12:33] place to I have a house upstate. It's yours for as long as you want. Just take it and go. I was like, Bill, thank you so much. >> Wow. >> It was really >> I'm astounded by that. >> I I think I figured you would be. >> Yeah. >> He was such an ass to me. I I can't even imagine the words coming out of his mouth. >> I know. I I mean, this was after I'd been on like 20 times and he'd always been a dick to me. Um, but I think there's there was a certain point that he just I think that the the the

[13:03] killing, the the death threats, it just went too far for him. >> You know, I was on that BBC show Cross Talk, I think it's called. It's like the 60 Minutes of of the UK. >> Yeah. >> Um, I think it's called Cross Talk. >> Well, there was there was the RT show Cross Talk. >> Not not the RT show, >> which was a great show, by the way. >> It was the BBC. It was Yeah. But the BBC show. I forget what it's called now, but um anyway, I was warned in advance they're going to just take you apart. It's what they do. And um and they did.

[13:34] Man, I went on and I felt just like crying at the end of it. Although I I held I held my own. And then when we finished it before we we went off, the guy says, "Hey, uh, I heard you got an award in London and in the event that you can't come because I know you have some travel restrictions. I'm happy to accept the award on your behalf." And I was like, "Oh, okay. You just called me some of the most horrible things that anybody's ever called me in my life,

[14:04] but okay." And then I actually was denied entry into the UK. So I got >> Jace, by the way, says that this show is called Hard Talk. >> Hard Talk. >> And I remember this show. I've seen this show. >> Thank you. >> It's great, by the way. >> It's And it it is great. >> But you got to go in there ready. >> Those are [ __ ] Brits, man. When the Brits mix it up, they're not They don't come with any hands tied behind their backs. >> That's right. >> They're funny and smart as [ __ ] >> He went to the uh He went to the event. Actually, it's the one behind me right

[14:36] there. That that glass thing with the blue glass inside the clear glass. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um, he went and accepted the award for me and then he mailed it. It cost like $150 to mail it at his own expense. >> I am with Adam Fighter that this we we are describing borderline personality behavior. I mean, that's exactly what it is. Um, >> that's so true. Uh, by the way, um, okay, so donation from from F F Huso seemed like a professional hit. One shot

[15:07] and gone. I disagree with that. I think it was a lucky hit and there was no point doing a second shot. >> What do you think? >> You know, I think that you're right, Ted, and I think that we're making too much of the fact that it hit his juggler. >> I think they he was probably aiming for the head or the neck or the chest or whatever. He was off just a little bit. >> And um >> Oh, yeah. Was it was it a long enough range that he he he targeted a little high? >> I think so. >> Might have been a little wind. Who knows? Um, okay. So, Jones Jameson, not to be confused with James Jones. Uh,

[15:39] thanks for the donation. What do we think of the House Rules Committee blocking a vote to end selective service? Will the potential for another draft ever go away? And by the way, I'll let me add a question to that for you, John. How the [ __ ] can America's women live with themselves and call themselves feminists and not insist that they be drafted alongside men? >> That's an oped right there. And you are 100% right. Either we're we're all feminists who support equality or we're not.

[16:10] >> And I can't believe I can't believe this this thing. Yeah. My son could be drafted into one of America's myriad of idiotic wars, but his girlfriend can't be. Really? Ridiculous. >> No. No. I agree. You know, I said something on Facebook about a year ago that, you know, I I consider myself a feminist, but the way I was raised, you hold the door open for a woman. And I would >> I hold the door open for men, too, though. >> I I do, too. I hold the door open for men, too. But I I feel uncomfortable

[16:42] about a woman paying for a date to the point where I just won't allow it to happen. >> Well, especially like especially a first date. Yeah, >> especially. But for me, it's any date. I It's I just can't do it. And then a friend of mine from college, a woman answered like, "How dare you? I am your equal in every way. And if we ever went on a date, I would demand to pay at least half." And I said, "Well, What's her number? No, I'm just kidding. >> She's happily married with a with a 20

[17:12] 25 year old son. And I said, maybe that's why we never met. We never went out because I I just wouldn't, >> you know. But other than that, I think you're exactly right, Ted. Either we're going to have the draft for everybody or we have the draft for nobody. >> And I don't see how it's constitutional under the 14th amendment equal protection clause. I I just don't I agree. >> Um we got Okay, we got a lot of comments here. Um and I guess we're >> Oh, questions. Okay. It's from Soden 20. What's your What's your uh Oh, >> we have a lot of questions. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Soden 24. John and Ted,

[17:43] >> what do you think about the Qatari prime minister saying that BB is deliberately trying to plunge the Middle East into chaos? >> Yeah. >> Well, I think he's 100% right. >> 100%. >> And do you think more Arab nations will speak out against him and his government? >> Yeah. Yeah, I do. >> It's coming. It's coming. Once one of the big ones does, once the Egyptians or the Saudis say something, it's going to open the floodgates. And I think there's actually I think there's actually pressure on a lot of the big Arab governments from the likes of France and

[18:14] Ireland and Canada and maybe Australia. So I I think that's coming. >> Egypt would be a big deal. >> That would be a big one. >> Uh and then Jacob Decker, thanks for the donation. Killing someone speaking a different point of view is an attack on the first amendment. You're here >> 100% >> couldn't agree more. And I would now okay now. Okay. Here I'm going to be a cynical bastard here. >> If this had happened to me, I sincerely doubt that Charlie Kirk would have gone on to a pod his podcast and deplored

[18:44] what happened to me. I sincerely doubt it. And I sincerely doubt that the president would uh have the flags at half at a half mass for me and through until Sunday. And I seriously doubt that my dead ass would be getting a presidential medal of freedom. >> Yeah. I >> I mean I don't like how this is being politicized. Um you know it was meant to it was a political act and uh treating it as a political act just validates what the killer did. >> Yeah. I agree. I agree. I'll tell you another thing too, Ted, about this this poor Charlie Kirk thing. Um,

[19:17] almost all of my friends, like real friends, not just Facebook friends, people I I've never really met, whether they're from the left or the right or someplace in between, everybody is absolutely appalled by this. And everybody is afraid of the direction that the country is taking. You and I were talking about it yesterday um after the show. I talked about it with my brother and sister last night. My son was so upset, he called me at 10:30 to say he's just so upset about this Charlie Kirk thing. and and he's, you know, at least as left as I am. But this

[19:50] I hope this serves as a wakeup call for the country. And I keep coming back to this. >> It's not because we don't have aid the leadership. >> We don't like literally the person who's supposed to tell us stop acting like [ __ ] children and grow up and and and and understand the difference between words and violence. Yeah. and and understand that free speech you don't there's no there's no obligation for anyone to speak in such a way that you won't take offense um and like and and

[20:20] you know and stop you know and and like if an American dies from murder that that's an American who died not a right-winger or a left-winger um it's like >> it's an American >> it's a young a young father which bothers me very very much >> me too it's right in front of him by the way and not to mention traumatizing hundreds of of college students out and trying to enjoy a nice day. Disgusting. And so the point is, but Donald Trump is politicizing this. And um you know, I mean, I'm not going to go so far as to

[20:52] say like he's >> responsible for this because I don't think it works that way. But I do think that um he he's not providing the leadership that we need to to be able to have this be like a snap out of our [ __ ] moment. >> Ted, let me interrupt you for a minute for two things. Number one, Robbie's telling us we have an ad. But I want to thank >> Chris MZTZ TC too. Thank you for the donation. Got a He's got a great question here, Ted. Uh, regarding the New York Times article about the Seal Team 6 mission in North Korea. How does

[21:24] the story like that leak out? Wouldn't it be a national security risk to expose that? And if in charge, would I approve? Oh, that what a great three questions. So, number one, somebody who opposed it. and was overruled. Leaked that story >> 100%. >> And I can tell you that from my own experience at the CIA, 99 times out of 100, the leak came from the Pentagon. >> They leak like saves over there and

[21:54] they're so gigantic and they don't polygraph anybody that it's just impossible to know where the leaks came from. Number one, how does a story like that leak out? Okay, wouldn't it be a national security risk to expose it? You bet it is. Of course, his methods, it exposes methodology. >> Kim Jong Kim Jong-un knows something now that he didn't know before. >> That's right. >> You know, he's gonna be more. >> Yep. >> Okay, let me read Let me read this ad. Looking for a comfortable but unique option for your gaming setup. Check out

[23:26] question. Are Seal Team Six a bunch of tards? I mean, they mess up a lot, right? >> A lot. So, >> and not only do they mess up a lot, a lot of them get killed in the course of the operation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, >> I mean, are they too I mean, I know you do need people who are badass and brave and willing to do whatever, but >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But but you also want you want you want your people to come home. >> You don't want your to be exposed. >> Yep. That is right. Uh Robbie's telling us we have breaking news. What kind of

[23:57] breaking news is that, Robbie? >> Let's hear it. I bet I bet the suspect's been caught. Robbie. >> Oh, let me put Robbie on. >> Oh, okay. >> Hey, Robbie. What's going on? >> Hi. >> Uh, so just popped up that uh Cash Patel, he's in a little bit of hot water for calling Uncle Twice about saying that they had the guy. Turned out they didn't. And so now he is personally in Utah overseeing the investigation. So the the clown has left the circus and is

[24:28] now running the peanut gallery. So, we're in good hands. >> Oh my god. Hi, Robbie. Well, that's not exactly startling, but it is funny. >> Oh, it's hilarious. >> You know, and JD Vance and his wife are there, too. >> And you know, I was supposed to I was supposed to fly down to uh Fort Lauderdale on Monday to do James O'Keefe's show, and I just got a text from him cancelling it because Charlie Kirk's going to be buried on Monday, and he's going to go to the funeral. Yeah,

[24:59] apparently um uh Vice President Vance and the second lady are going to escort uh Charlie's remains uh on Air Force 2, uh to Arizona. Um I guess from Utah. I guess that's where um Charlie Kirk is from or he's going to be laid to rest. Um you know, Robbie, you called, by the way, that what kind of long gun you thought would probably >> You really did. You said specifically it was a 30 odd six and it was a 30 odd six. >> Why did you think that and that's what

[25:31] was recovered in the in the woods near the university? >> Well, a couple of reasons. One, it's if you're going to make that kind of a shot, you want to use a boltaction rifle. 30 six is a proven round. It's over 100 years old and you can either run them hot or you can run them cold depending on, you know, on what is you're looking for. And they have a very they have a very specific report. And so if you shoot a lot like I do, u you get to know what what it sounds like. And the people saying that like kind of like that turkey you were talking to earlier,

[26:02] John, about you got to be a a professional sniper to do something like this. >> No, you don't. >> No. If if you're I have an old Argentine mouser that was made in Germany back in the 1890s. >> Is that a It's a single shot. Yeah. >> Yeah. B It's a bolt action. So what you do it has a five round magazine and just what's what's neat about them >> is that the barrels are milled. They're not stamps have really deep grooves >> and whenever you're you know you can make a two to 400 yard shot with with iron sights behind the ear of a deer

[26:33] with no problem at all. >> Wow. >> And and what it is is it's a heavy bullet. So what you're talking about is right. What you do is that you aim higher what is that you're going for because you got this because you got drift. >> Yeah. >> Well that's what happened. I think most likely he was aiming for his face. The bullet drifted and it got him in the neck and either way it's a kill shot. The job is done. If you're hunting deer, that's what you want. Hunting a person. I don't know. Guess depends on how much of a mesh you want to make. >> All right, Robbie, thanks for that. I'm We'll uh And that was that really was I

[27:04] was kind of amazed that you were able to to call it that way. >> You called it. >> Hey, I Hey, I grew up in the South shooting. I mean, this is not hard. >> Yes, you did. And by the way, I strongly recommend anybody who hasn't heard it yet to go into Rumble Studio uh Rumble Premium and watch the uh Robbie interview. And by the way, John, we're uh doing the we're doing five tomorrow. All right, cool. Looking forward to that. >> It's going to be all about prison. >> Oh, question for Robbie. I'm going to put Robbie back up here. $5 donation from USCX A-Rod 21. As a person of the

[27:35] right, are you comfortable with people like uh Bonino and Patel running agencies like this? >> Good question. It seems like these guys are always swimming. >> If I had it my way, the FBI would have been abolished the very first day of Trump's presidency because he Trump promised to to drain the swamp. Well, the way that you drain the swamp is by gutting it. You don't go in but say, "I'm going to give you a brand spanking new headquarters." Now, the Trump is Trump is just a total blowhard. If I had it my way, it would be gone.

[28:05] The CIA would be destroyed. The FBI would no longer exist. Another question for you, Robbie. Sorry to interrupt, but it's what I do. Uh, Tusk PC wants to know, "I thought you were blind in one eye. How good of a shot are you?" >> Uh, used to be really good. Uh, now not so much. I'm having to having to teach myself how to shoot left-handed using a 22. So, it's a pain. >> Oh, [ __ ] It's like learning how to drive uh using the stick on the left. Uh, which >> Oh, it sucks in England. Yeah. But not but I mean growing up I mean I used to

[28:35] hunt squirrels and rabbits all the time using a single shot 22. >> If you're doing that you know shooting a deer with a 30 six it's not a problem. >> No I mean the thing is also God I remember living living in Long Island you could just drive your car up to a deer and it'd be 10 feet away from you and you could just pop it point blank range. I mean I have to beep I beep at them behind my house to get out of the way. I gotta go. >> Yeah. They're they're kind of like not they're not really that that >> I saw a big buck the other day. I'm like beeping at the buck, flashing my my

[29:06] brights at him like get off the road for God's sake. >> Uh here we have elk walking down the road. >> I mean those are big boys. >> Oh yeah. >> All right, Robbie. Thanks for that. We'll let you know if you have if we have more questions. Um I I really do love this question uh from JR99 over on the YouTube feed. Why do why don't we have Why doesn't security for outdoor events use drones for surveillance? >> Oh, yeah. >> That's a [ __ ] good question. >> It is. It's cheap.

[29:38] >> It's easy. >> There's no reason not to. >> No. I mean, the thing is I I wonder how much security there really was here. Like, I mean, obviously there was a threat, but I mean, they didn't treat him like he was the president of the United States. And no, I don't really blame them. I mean, you know, he's just if they he's an influencer. He's >> But still, Ted, >> a million of those. >> Still Ted, the the the building where they're telling us the the shooter was on the roof, that building closed down for renovation in April and was supposed to be locked up tight. And did it not

[30:09] occur to anybody in in the campus police department to just, you know, sweep the the building, walk up to the roof, just make sure nobody's up there? >> I mean, by the way, I mean, where did we where did we hear about something very similar in the very recent past? a gunman kicking around on the roof, right? I mean, it's like just this is what happened to to Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Um it's you would think by now it would be kind of a standard operating procedure. >> Um I got to ask you also um what do you

[30:40] make of the fact that uh the cartridges uh bearing quote unquote transgender and anti-fascist inscriptions. >> Yeah. >> Uh were written. I mean I has that been confirmed? It it's been confirmed according by to the authorities. So I'm wondering if Luigi Manion was an inspiration. I've never heard of anyone doing that before. >> Never. Now that would take work. You know, you can't just like go to the gun shop and say, "Let give me some of those trans bullets, right? That's not how it works.

[31:12] There's work involved." >> I I I thought I was a 45, but now I identify as a 38. >> Oh my god. I'm a 38 in the trapped in the body of a of a 9 millimeter. Like, no, it's hilarious. >> I I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. It's one of those >> I've got to think it's a So, this is I I I really think we're going to find out this was a Luigi thing and that the person was inspired by Luigi. I think we're going to find that out. Similar age. >> This is bad. >> Someone in their 20s. >> Yeah. You know, if they catch

[31:43] >> him telling us if if they c they'll catch it in which you we have a photo of someone like that. Fuzzy, but a photo and they're not caught. >> Oh, no. No. They've further enhanced it about an hour ago. It this looks to be as clear as, you know, some kid's high school graduation picture. And And besides that, >> he left a a hand print. Yeah. Palm print. >> Yeah. an a print from his arm and his face was sweaty where he had the gun up

[32:15] against his face. So, he left DNA all over the dog on thing. He threw it in the He threw the gun in the woods. It hasn't rained or anything. The cops found the gun. This This kid is an idiot and he's going to get caught. He's going to get caught. >> Luigi was an idiot. He left a bag of evidence in Central Park. >> Yeah. Nobody Yeah. Nobody ever goes there, >> right? and then took off his mask so he could flirt with the girl at the uh at the youth hostel. >> Absurd >> idiot. >> Yeah, total idiot. Um yeah. >> All right, so let's see what else here.

[32:46] Um uh okay, so anyone Yeah. Hamish McKinnus is saying anyone who knew the person of interest would recognize them from that photo. >> Absolutely. >> I don't think there's any world in which they get away with it. No way. >> Yeah. >> No way. I agree. >> It's just a matter It's only a matter of time. I just hope that when the person's caught that he's caught alive. First of all, we don't need more death. And secondly, I I want to know what the

[33:16] motivation is. Uh the Butler, Pennsylvania thing, we're never going to really know what happened because he's dead. >> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And then they create they they gave the body back to the families so they could cremate him before anybody ever had a chance to uh to even examine him. >> Big boss Bob Ross is correct. He said Luigi took her off the mask at the hostel because it was required for check-in. Okay, but Bob >> Yeah, but Bob, he could have said [ __ ] you and left. I mean, it's it's

[33:48] Manhattan. Okay, there are hundreds of hotels. Okay. I mean, he could have gone somewhere else, right? Um, let's see. We have a a $5 donation from uh Air Linked Up. Thank you very much. What's going on with all this UFO stuff? It seems like it's being used as a distraction. Every time there's bad economic data coming out, um, Alzando seems like a grifter. Would like to hear your thoughts. The economic data is really [ __ ] bad and it's a topic that we're not talking about. I mean, you know, John, uh, you

[34:21] and I are old enough to know that like, um, job creation of 22,000 is catastrophic. I mean, usually that means you're in the middle of a of a hardcore recession. Um, and it would have been it could have been worse um, if not for all the deportations, right? I mean, so >> it does look like uh, you know, our our friend uh, Mr. Laura is correct and that we are headed towards stagflation which is not good. Inflation with a stagnant economy is is a worst is really

[34:54] not the worst but it's a very bad scenario. >> I mean >> it it cost Jimmy Carter his presidency and it took us what 10 years to dig out of eight years to dig out of. >> It sure did. >> So yeah it's this is this is >> I would argue that we didn't get a real recovery until the 90s. I think you are right because really the the Reagan recovery was a false one. Yeah. And it was a false one because you can't cut taxes and increase spending at the same time and then just hope like magic that the economy grows because all the rich

[35:25] people are spending the the tax money that they didn't have to pay. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean at least they're collecting money from tariffs. But uh as Benjamin Drew Ho says, I like how they celebrate the amount of money coming in from tariffs like it isn't a tax on all US consumers. companies. Yeah, that's us paying that. Um, it would almost be more honest if they just slammed it. Um, you know, Robbie says, "We've been in a depression here in Montana for years." Fair enough. >> That's kind of stagflation what they have there. Actually, high prices, >> you know, just no jobs. Just as we were

[35:56] coming on the air, I got my my, you know, five days a week, I guess it's six days a week, uh, hyper local news update, and it said that, um, housing prices in Arlington, Virginia, as well as DC and Alexandria, Virginia, are down 4.1% year-over-year. This is the first drop in housing prices in close-in suburban Washington since 1991.

[36:26] Can you imagine? >> This is the urban problem that again nobody's talking about. I mean, COVID accelerated it, right? Yeah. >> But with work at home, you don't need to live in a city, right? I mean, why I mean, I loved living I when I I went to college as a freshman here in New York in 1981. I mean, think about like my first week in school. The first week in school, I was photographed uh in Time magazine throwing a bottle at Mayor Cotch. I went to see Blondie at uh at at the Peppermint Lounge for three bucks with sawdust on the floor. Um I went to

[36:59] Studio 54. Wow. >> All in the same week, right? I mean, I raged. I lost my virginity. It was awesome. Like now, if I'm 20, if I'm 18 years old, why the what the [ __ ] is it do? What am I going to do? Sephora? Um, there's there's no nightclubs, there's nothing to do, you don't have a there's your job will be from your computer, which you can do anywhere. Um, you know, it's it's boring and hard and expensive. >> That's not a that and you don't need you don't need to be in a city to date anymore. You know, you have the apps for

[37:29] that. So, >> that's right. >> So, I don't know. I feel like cities are in trouble and um you know, they're going to have to become cheaper in order to adjust. >> Thanks for the donation, Angela. Much appreciated. Yeah, I think you're I think you're exactly right. My first my first week um at college freshman year, Abby Hoffman came to campus and gave a speech. >> How awesome is that? >> Isn't that great? >> Yeah. >> I still remember, still think about it every once in a while. He committed

[38:00] suicide not too long after that. But but he was great. Really great. He had gone to one of the uh fraternities earlier in the day and he bought somebody's old TV and then he plugged it in. Reagan was giving a nationally televised talk for whatever reason. This would have been in August of 1982. And so while while Reagan was talking, the TV was just sitting on a on a folding chair up on the stage. While

[38:31] Reagan was talking, Abby Hoffman walked off stage, walked back on with a sledgehammer, and smashed the TV to a million pieces. >> [ __ ] people were screaming, cheering. >> It's great. >> That's so punk rock. That's so I love that. Speaking of punk rock, I saw the Clash that year, too. Um, >> and the Ramones and the Dead Kennedies. Oh my gosh. >> It was awesome. You know, none of that stuff's true anymore. And it's not like, oh, I know it's all different bands, but the music scene, there is no music scene the way there used to be. Um,

[39:01] >> no. >> Anyway, let's talk a little bit about uh we can just check in. Do we care about uh Jer Balssonaro? I mean, so >> yeah, convicted, >> but I think the reason we should care, I'm sorry to interrupt you, Ted. I think the reason we should care is that Donald Trump has threatened already to put sanctions on all of the Brazilian Supreme Court justices were they to find him guilty. So now they found him guilty. And not only is Trump now

[39:32] discussing sanctions on the judges, he's talking about sanctions against Lula, which is a really dumb idea because God knows Donald Trump has a lot more investment in Brazil than Lula has probably zero dollars investment in the United States. And what is there to stop Lula from from sanctioning Donald Trump and freezing his Brazilian assets, >> which he has? >> There you go. Good. Uh well, we'll see what happens there. Um all right, let's get to uh

[40:02] something that is that does really has has me furious. Um so you remember of course obviously the Venezuelan vote that the administration uh bragged about on social media. They they said it was Trenda Ara quote unquote terrorists because they have designated Trend Ara terrorist organization. It was a boat headed between uh from Venezuela apparently to Trinidad. Um they blew it up with a drone. We now know that it was with a drone. We thought it was for drone. Just it looked like drone footage. 11 people dead according to the

[40:33] Defense Department. So anyway, it turns out that finally they've gotten around to briefing the the the the the uh gang of four people, right? So uh Senate Armed Services uh Committee Chairman Jack Reid um came out of the briefing pissed off. So he said that there was no evidence presented in the briefing whatsoever that said that the targets were armed, posed any threat, were members of Trende Aaragua, were carrying

[41:04] drugs, were headed to the United States, were even from Venezuela. No evidence of anything. These were 11 random people that they killed for no reason whatsoever and that's it. And so, um, you know, I'm sure Jack Reed's not lying. If he was lying, uh, the administration would have been quick to point it out. Um, this is really, I mean, I hate to say it, you and I, we knew this was probably going to be true or might be true, but

[41:36] it's like I hate to be disappointed like this. I mean, I hate to be proven right in something like this. I wanted them to I mean, it wouldn't have been legal even if these guys were trending Aaragua, even if they were drug dealers. wouldn't have been legal. They should have interdicted them. >> But agree >> and it's not even our business. They weren't even coming to the United States. I mean, >> no, they weren't. >> Trinidad and authorities didn't ask for help. >> So, I mean, this is But this is no one's going to give a [ __ ] because they're brown people, right?

[42:07] >> Yeah, I think that's exactly right, Ted. Nobody's going to give a [ __ ] And most Americans just take the White House's word for it. No matter or the Pentagon's word, no matter who happens to be in charge, if if it fits into the national narrative that these whoever these guys were on this boat were terrorists, were trend rau tren de aragua or were carrying cocaine or whatever. They're just going to jump up at them and say, "Great." Now, I think that the chances are pretty good that these were just

[42:38] fishermen who saw, you know, whatever it was, a ship in the distance or drones in the distance and said, "Oh crap, let's get back to port." And turned around and started to rush back and then got rocketed. Terrible. >> Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, too, right? the um you know the US Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that if you come up to a police checkpoint and then you run away from the cops because you're afraid of the cops. Yeah, that does not provide the police with probable cause. But that's exactly the

[43:08] rationale that the administration used to say that uh they were right to blow up this boat. They said that the boat spotted the drone and then turned seemed to turn away from it. I don't know about you, if I saw an armed drone approach me, I'd turn away from it, too. Doesn't mean I'm trying or that I'm Venezuelan or that I'm carrying drugs or anything else. >> No, that's exactly right. We've had a question about UAPs and uh and Alzando, I forget his first name,

[43:40] but he's like Mr. UAP these days. Um, you think he's a grifter? I've I've tried to I've tried to walk a fine line on this issue. Um but I saw what I saw when I was 16 17 years old. I've told that story and um I I don't I can't deny anybody else the account of their own personal experience. But I also don't understand why the Pentagon

[44:11] doesn't just release this information or why the White House doesn't just declassify the information, why it has to leak out, and why we have to have people being called to testify on Capitol Hill as whistleblowers, risking their own imprisonment, you know, were they to be charged under the Espionage Act, just to say, "Yeah, I'm a I'm an F-18 pilot and I saw this thing moving at a fant fantastic speed and it paralleled me and then it took off at, you know, the speed of light practically.

[44:42] And then the Pentagon denies that any such thing has taken place. For a long time, and you'll remember this, um there was worry that if if the government were to admit that there were UAPs or UFOs, um that people would panic. Well, the word leaked out and nobody gave a [ __ ] There was no panic. Everybody, >> they had more faith than us back then. They thought we that we might have a we might have a pulse. >> See, that's right. >> That we might react to something. >> That's right. >> Apparently nothing. You know, it would

[45:13] be like it would be like not the day that the Earth stood still. It would be like the day that the Earth kept looking at its phone. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You know, yesterday was the anniversary of of the disappearance of this Australian pilot. I'm sure you've heard of this uh this case. There's this Australian pilot in his early 20s. I think he was 23 years old. He was flying. It was It was September 10th, 1978. I saw several different references to this yesterday. He's flying and he said that there was a

[45:44] a silver cylinder above his plane flying at exactly the same rate of speed. And then he's radioing back saying, "There's this thing. It's right on top of me and it's it's flying the same rate of speed. I don't know what it is." He's describing it. It's silver. It's shiny. Um, and then he came back and he said, "It's not it's not an aircraft," he said. And then there was this loud sound

[46:14] of like electronic interference. Nobody ever saw him or heard from him again. They never found him. They never found the plane. They never found anything. So why, you know, why keep that secret? Why not just say, "Hey, look, there's something up there. We don't know what the heck it is, >> right?" I mean, there you have it. >> I mean, that's the thing, right? Originally, right, unidentified does not mean alien. That's >> exactly unidentified. >> Yeah.

[46:45] >> Um, >> yeah. >> Yeah. So, let's see. Um, >> you know, let me let me say one more thing about Luis Alzando. Um, when I had my show on RT, people used to tell me all the all the time, "You have to have Luis Alzando on. He's an expert. He's an expert. He's an expert." So, I I did some research and what I found was him saying repeatedly that he's an expert. I don't know what the heck he's an expert on, but he sure likes to get out

[47:16] there and be the UFO guy. And it it just wasn't it it wasn't a fit for me. So I have this rule John which is that if someone voluntarily says some that describes themsself as having a positive attribute they not only don't have that attribute they are the opposite. So if someone just sort of says you know like if you like if I ask you John are you a good tipper and you say yeah that's not what I'm talking about. I'm like if you just say Ted by the way you know I I tip

[47:49] really great. I'm a [ __ ] great tipper. waiters love me, then I know you're a tight wad for sure and that everyone hates you and that and there's spit in all of your food everywhere in the DC metro area. Um, and that's what someone if someone says, "Oh, you know, by the way, I'm an expert on blah blah blah." No one who's actually an expert ever says that you know it's like they they just are and people talk to them about that topic and you know no one no one you know no one has to ask you about the you know like you're never saying

[48:19] well by the way I John Kuraku an expert in this and that you just are and you know that's how it is like you know like on a date if a if someone says oh you know I'm really good in bed oh man I mean I I lay I lay tight like you you will be [ __ ] screaming You you you will lose track of who you are. You'll lose see you'll you'll space time will change. That's a lie. You know you know you're like dead bed. All right, let me read this ad here. >> Yeah. >> Ready to level up your game? Aim controllers is where custom beats un meets unbeatable value. And right now

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[55:36] >> But that train has never been constructed. It's been and so the reason that he thought it lonely planet guide said it's expected to be construct to be completed in two years. Well, the Lonely Planet Guide was four years old. So the [ __ ] picked up a copy and assumed it must be done by now. >> I called up, you know, and >> not cool at all. >> And this [ __ ] happens all the time. >> Without a doubt. Hey, uh we should we should plug the good people at Rumble. >> Yes, >> they've been very good to us.

[56:07] >> Yes. Thank you very much, Rumble. um for uh well anyway, please come over to Rumble and watch us over there. That's the main thing. Uh because we make more money there and they've been very supportive and we're in the Rumble creative program. Uh and so uh and we have Rumble premium content over there. For $5 a month, you can watch the us and the Rumble premium content and you get like a special little doodad when you comment. And for 10 bucks a month, you can see you can have those privileges for all content over on Rumble. So,

[56:38] please do that. Um, also, uh, USCX A-Rod 21 has, I would say, been patiently waiting, but has been waiting. I don't know if they're patient or not. Um, John, come on. There's aliens, right? Parts of the government have to know. >> There have to be that. There have to be. I mean, maybe they're just little bacteria. Who knows? But uh yeah, I was talking to a guy the other day, a guy who like he presents as

[57:11] very serious and he was telling me that um that uh he's doing a book about Area 58. And I said, "Aar 51?" He said, "No, Area 58. It's even >> 51 plus seven >> plus seven more." And it's that much more secret. and that there's an underground bunker at Area 58 >> and that is where the alien ships come

[57:41] in to land and we call it the embassy because that's where that's where we liaz with the uh the aliens. I'm like, "Okay." And but you know what? I mean, I've learned so much about government after having left government that that who knows. And Algerian Corsair, forgive me. Okay. You wanted to hear about um about uh this 9/11 truth thing >> and then we have to get to Iran Contra

[58:11] before >> we do. We have to get to Iran Contra. So, I've got a friend who's a PR guy and he ran into some really bad he ran into a really bad period in life. His wife left him. He lost his job. People that used to work for him sued him. He was arrested. It was just bad. But listen, I'm I'm one of the most loyal people out there. And so, he's still my friend, and I wanted to express, you know, support. So, he's finally getting back on his feet again. He's still doing PR, but he used to do PR for for Julian Assange and

[58:44] Wikileaks and all these left-wing groups and Ed Snowden. And now he does PR for the far right because they pay him and the far left walked away. The far left, the left walked away from him. And so he asked me a few weeks ago, hey, uh, on the anniversary of 911, would you give a speech about, you know, what 911 meant to you or whatever? I said, yeah, sure. He said, I'll give you $500. I said, okay, great. That was it. That was the extent of it. And then somebody saw a poster for 911

[59:19] 911 engineers and architects fortruth.org or whatever. And it's featuring, you know, John Kiryaku and all these people who I've always considered to be like deeply insane. And I was like, "Dog gone it, Trevor. You put me with a 9/11 truth organization." And he's like, "Yeah, well, didn't you do your due diligence?" And I said, 'N no, I trusted you. We're friends. You asked me to do it. I said, ' Okay. So, my my sister called me. She's like,

[59:49] "What are you doing?" I said, "I know. I know. I" And she says, "You have to withdraw." And I said, "I can't. I I made a commitment. I have to stand by my commitments." And I I decided I've thought about this a lot the last couple of weeks, but I decided that I'm going to give my speech tonight. And of all people, Dennis Cusinich is introducing me. I'm gonna give my speech tonight and I'm gonna say, "Look, you and I will never ever agree on whether or not building 7 was controlled demolition. I'll never believe that it

[1:00:20] was. I will never believe that such a thing as thermite paint exists and is suddenly somehow spontaneously explosive." >> That does not exist. >> It doesn't exist. There is no such a thing. applied physics major, Columbia School of Engineering and Applied Science. No nuclear engineering originally, >> but I can take a [ __ ] on the Saudis for hours without even taking a breath and on the Israelis both relative to the 9/11 attacks. And so for sure, that's

[1:00:50] what I'm going to do. >> And and the Pakistanis probably have [ __ ] upon to be done. >> That's right. So there it is. >> Um Okay. So, let's talk about the uh this is a funny story. So, um the Iran Contra scandal of the late 1980s is back in the news because Ali North has finally married his former secretary Fawn Hall, who was famously smuggling classified documents out in her bazir. >> Yeah, I was I was if you saw her bra,

[1:01:24] what was what she was packing back then, you were jealous of those classified documents. >> Yes, you were. She was beautiful. Stunning. >> So, they just got married four decades after all of this. It was always assumed that they were stooping. >> Yeah. >> But they weren't. >> Apparently, they weren't. >> They were both loyal to their spouses at the time. Yeah. >> Um Colonel North, 81 years old now, and uh Ms. Hall, 65, >> um still young. Um were married on August 27th at a civil ceremony there in Arlington County.

[1:01:54] >> Yeah. >> Um the So, Ms. North and uh Mr. North's wife of 56 years and the mother of their four children died in November at the age of 80. Ms. Hall had previously been married I love this part. >> I was shocked by this >> to to Danny Sugarman who managed the doors. >> He managed the doors of all things >> and he died in 2005. 50 years old. Lung cancer. >> Yeah. >> How did he manage the doors? Come on. Come on. Come on now. Touch me

[1:02:25] babe. You know I go through I I for me I go through I I have all of their records and their CDs. I love the Doors, but I go through phases like where I suddenly am like, wait, they're kind of hacks and I shouldn't listen to them anymore. And then I then I'm like, oh, I miss them so much. They're great. And then I have to play them incessantly. Does that make any sense? I mean, you know, it I never liked the fact that Jim Morrison was obsessed with Frank Sinatra and was trying to sound like Frank Sinatra >> and Sinatra hated him. >> Yeah. Well, Frank Sinatra was a very

[1:02:57] serious person. Yeah. >> And Jim and Jim Morrison was a [ __ ] mess. >> Yeah. >> So, he was incredibly unreliable. I mean, you feel sorry for the rest of the band. >> Uh, speaking of a Doors connection, I'm gonna see X soon. And, uh, what's his name from the Doors? Produced the first um X album, Los Angeles. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Ray Manzer. >> Rayman Zerk. >> Yeah. He's a producer. Big- time producer at the time. He's he's a musical genius who's >> Yeah.

[1:03:27] >> who's very humble and quiet and and does not really promote his genius. >> Reed is saying that uh marshals have been deployed to Utah. I would need more details about that. >> Oh, >> let's see what Let's see what the interwebs have to say about that. What for though, you know? >> Wow. Okay. I mean, is this to go out to I'm not I'm not seeing anything. All right. Well, whatever. Okay.

[1:03:58] >> Awesome. Well, lots of news today. >> So, yeah, for sure. So, anyway, I want to just say that like uh we talked about this earlier before we went on the air, but uh John, you and I both agree that uh we wish we wish uh Ali North and uh Fawn Hall nothing but the best. >> True love. I do think >> I don't agree at all with what Ali North did or what Fon Hall did. >> Right. >> Right. Nor do I. Nor nor do I. But I wish them happiness. I think it's nice. >> Totally. Totally. Yeah. So,

[1:04:33] uh, hey, thief. Uh, back off. I love that Ted name dropped the dead Kennedys. Y'all showing boomers can be co cool. Gen X, not Boomer. All right. Just saying. >> All right. >> We're boomers. >> Demographically, we're boomers. >> 46 to 64. >> Okay. But listen, the thing is 1961 to 1964, those are cusp kids. We get to choose our generation. >> That's right. >> Because and and I'm take and the high I get it from the highest authority.

[1:05:04] Douglas Copeland, who wrote Generation X, def in 1990, defined Generation X at that time as anyone then in their 20s, which meant anyone born in the 60s, >> right? That's just arithmetic. >> I'll take that. >> I've obviously thought about this. So anyway, I used I used to be obsessed with generational politics, but just because I like the Doras doesn't mean that I'm not far more partial to Flipper. >> Yeah. Yeah. True. True. >> All right. So, all right everybody,

[1:05:35] thanks so much for joining us. We really appreciate you. Uh, really truly, we really appreciate you. Um, and so this is Drogram with Ted Roll and John Kuryaki. We are here Monday through Friday, 5:00 PM Eastern time. We'll be back Friday, tomorrow at 5:00 PM Eastern to bring you up to date and deprogram you from everything. Hope that you're you consider yourself sufficiently deprogrammed, John. I know I do. And like, follow, and share the show. Thanks. uh producer Robbie for uh your assistance and gun expertise which we

[1:06:07] will call upon in the future. >> Yes indeed. >> Ciao.
