Title: Deep Focus Network
Show: The Deep Focus Show
Date: 2026-07-01
URL: https://youtu.be/ECWpfM0cJDE
Duration: 22:00

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[00:00] You were on Tucker Carlson just a few days ago, Clayton. I've been on a couple of times. I think I'm going to go back on in the next four or five weeks. I like Tucker very much. I consider him to be a friend, and I have to tell you, I'm genuinely worried for his safety. Tucker is one of those rare truth-tellers. He He speaks whatever happens to be on his mind, but it's always very well thought out. He's not afraid to call important people on the carpet for

[00:31] things that they've said or done. In the current political climate, in the post Let's call it the post-Charlie Kirk era. Do you think Tucker Carlson has reason to be worried? >> I think he He wouldn't admit that. You know, he doesn't like to He never likes to have the focus be on him at all. I've known him for years, and he's he's never like me, me, me, like navel-gazing. He hates that. He hates that with a passion, you know. Um Oh, I need a, you know, large security

[01:02] contingent cuz I'm so important. Like, he's not that kind of person at all. Um But look, the SBU tried to to to kill blew up his almost blew up his car when he went to Moscow. Like Like, there's some realities here. You have these nut job, you know, you know, MAGA influencers, these sort of pro-Israel Zionists who are at basically actively calling for him to be arrested, attacked. Um and they have platforms. I mean, they're literally not thrown off of X. They're calling for like the arrest and hurting of his family, and they're still somehow on X, and they

[01:33] still have jobs at like Fox News somehow. Like, when I worked at Fox News, if I would have called for like the death of a human being, like, I would have been fired. But this is a new era, so you can call for, you know, attacks on certain people like that. Um So, yeah, and I think, you know, he's he's doing what he needs to do to protect himself, and I'm sure he's got a wife, you know, his his wife is probably wanting to make sure he's safe and protected, and he's got smarter He's got people around him who are saying, "Hey, Tucker, I know you don't like this to be about yourself, but we're going to protect you." So, um yeah, but I don't want to speak out of turn for what's going on

[02:04] behind the scenes, but yeah, he is a truth-teller, and of course that's a small um that's a >> [clears throat] >> that's a commodity these days. It's hard to find those. >> Why is it that there are so few people, whether they're on the political left or the political right in the United States, who are unwilling to tell the truth about the situation on the ground in Israel and Palestine? And and more specifically, what I mean is that Tucker had, for example, Mother Agafia, uh George Stephanopoulos' sister, who's

[02:35] a Greek Orthodox nun. Uh she has lived in in the West Bank or in East Jerusalem for decades, and she gave a very long She had a very long conversation with Tucker about what life is like for Christians in Israel. It's extremely difficult. Uh Tucker then went to Israel and interviewed Ambassador Mike Huckabee. In my estimation, that interview was a

[03:05] disaster, an unmitigated disaster for Huckabee. He was unable to answer Tucker's questions. And when he did answer Tucker's questions, he essentially turned the entire Middle East against the United States saying that God promised Israel to the Jews. Israel means everything from the Euphrates River to the Nile, which is essentially the entire Middle East, and they can go ahead and take it, he said. He didn't care. So, first of all, how

[03:37] much damage do you think that does? But secondly, and I want to ask both of you your opinions. But secondly, um why is this the prevailing position among American Christians when it was Palestinian Christians who were the original Christians and they get no love from American Christians. >> Yeah, this is something that I've been pretty obsessed with in the last 2 years because I, you know, I was inspired by the rise of Christianity, the popularity

[04:08] of Christianity around the Trump election because it seemed like there were some conservative values that were revalidated in the election of Donald Trump. And I thought what that meant was sort of family values, um you know, sort of I don't know, a refutation of some of the sexual perversions that was so popular during the Biden years. And then for this group to turn around and support a genocide and support a terrorist government, I was confused by.

[04:41] And so I I went back to where this began. I recently finished the the Canfield book called uh Scofield and his amazing book or something like that. Um it's a tough read, but it tells the story of the Scofield Bible, which is the informant text of evangelicals. And I thought, why? Why why do they do this? Where did it come from? It turns out that Cyrus Scofield himself was a bit of a scoundrel. He was a Confederate war soldier. He was the district attorney in Kansas. He had lied about his

[05:12] Confederate uh service to the army. He defected from there as well. He says he's from Tennessee, he's not, he's from Michigan. He had two daughters and a Catholic wife who he left penniless even though he became quite rich. And then uh before he did that, he was sued several times for fraud. Um he he just was a scoundrel and then all of a sudden Christian conversion and he's a star, a rising star in the Christian movement. This is around early 1900s. He moves to Massachusetts. He becomes a part of this Niagara Falls Convention.

[05:44] And at the in the late 1800s, there was this appetite for end-of-the-world theology because the world was hard back then. And he joins this movement and somehow becomes a member of the Lotus Club in New York City. The Lotus Club is a club of Wall Street bankers and early Zionists. They're the ones who fund the Scofield Bible. They see in him the snake oil salesman they need. They fund this movement and then this nobody, this guy who'd been a scoundrel his whole life, is now this popular theologian,

[06:16] popular priest, uh bishop, religious leader who never had and and all of a sudden this book is just everywhere. Why? How did that happen? Well, do evangelicals know that it's Wall Street backed? That it was the brainchild of Wall Street and early Zionist? I don't think they do. And so their allegiance to this comes from a pretty rotten place and I don't think they know it. >> Well, there are evangelicals that we know that have broken free of this and had educated themselves on this and

[06:47] that's why they want to suppress this story because if more evangelicals learn about this, if you go to Texas for instance and you know, to go to any of those churches and you were to educate them on this, they would they would cast you out. So they don't want you to know that this entire line of Christianity has, you know, been co-opted by like a scoundrel and a >> And Scofield's original churches were in Dallas. So, you know, that was born of that movement and and then it just grew. It was it was Texas and then the Northeast. >> But we have friends who broken out of this, you know, educated themselves and

[07:18] once they realize like that this whole the their you know, their whole movement has been is a canard in many ways backed by this scoundrel and like this fake version of the Bible in many ways backed by Wall Street Zionists, they're like outraged by it and they become non-denominational. They're kind of they're kind of wandering around the desert like looking for a new church because they were just they can't believe that their whole 20 30 years of being raised in that environment was a was a lie. >> lies. >> You know, I for years I was a I was an adjunct professor of intelligence

[07:49] studies at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, which is the largest evangelical university in the world. And when they first approached me with this job offer, I said I said, "Are you sure you want me? You and I probably disagree on 95% of the issues. Why would you want me to be a professor?" And without missing a beat, the dean the dean of the Jesse Helms School of Government said, "Um because torture's not Christian." And I said, "You know what? I'll take the job." And so I really really enjoyed my time

[08:19] at Liberty, but we clashed constantly over this issue of Middle Eastern Christians. I just I I would take them to task every single time I would hear them say something about sending a delegation to convert people to Christianity uh in Palestine. And I said, "Th- This is where Christianity began. You guys are snuffing out Palestinian Christians." There was one student that I had who told me that she was going on a mission. And I said, "Oh, that's great.

[08:50] What are you going to do?" "Well, I'm going to I'm going to bring people to Christ." I said, "Cool, where are you going?" And she said, "Um Macedonia." I said, "But they're already Christians in Macedonia. They're they're Orthodox like me." >> Well, look at Iran. What's the plan for Iran? >> don't consider it their type of Christian. It's almost as if they're savage type like Yes, but we really understand it and they don't. And so we are going to I'm sorry I interrupted you, but let me just finish this point. Their theology

[09:21] is fundamentally conflicting because evangelicals want eventually for all the Jews that they support to convert to Christianity. The Jews absolutely do not want that. They want this war to bring about the coming of their Messiah and they will remain Jews. So, they have two very different end goals. They're just kind of, you know, merged right now on the war and what it will affect. And it's like, "Let's not talk about what happens after the rapture." I think you're coming to me, you think you're

[09:52] going to you. We'll just run along. Let's just have a little war. >> rapture being a late 19th century American evangelical invention, by the way. >> Yes. Yes, again coming out of this Niagara Falls uh if you study the late 1800s movement and, you know, out of that was born Jehovah's Witnesses, which I was raised one. And yes, and evangelicals and this like end of times type theology, which I don't think you understand how much power that hands the government. I'm sorry, go ahead. >> No, I was just going to say the savages thing is really important. Like this

[10:22] idea that if you're at a Dallas like megachurch, that you're somehow more civilized than these Christians who've grown up in the Holy Land. Um also, what's going to happen to the nearly 1 million Christians that live in Iran? >> That's right. >> I are we are we in any way discerning when we're carpet bombing Tehran how many of tho- those we're kill- killing? And how many Christian churches are throughout Iran, by the way? I mean, I don't know the number. Maybe you have a better number on it, but there are many many and a nearly I think a million Christians that live in Iran. So, I'm sure we'll

[10:54] prioritize them. >> Many of the churches go back more than a thousand years. The There's a long history of Christianity in Iran. That's just ignored. It's just ignored today. You know, >> I'm just so struck I just we we're not allowed to talk about the Christians being killed in Syria. We're not allowed to talk about the Christians being killed in Gaza. For some reason, if you bring it up, then you're an anti-Semite, which I just can't wrap my head around that that that that reasoning. Like you're we're not allowed to talk about your carpet bombing of Gaza is killing a lot of Christians or

[11:24] displacing a lot of Christians or, you know, what's happening in Syria. We can't talk about that. The beheading of Christians. We you do it. anti-Semite if you bring that up, and it's infuriating. >> I have to tell you a a little story, and it's it's apropos of of Syria and the situation in Syria, but it's it's not going to sound like it. So, when my two eldest sons were little, they loved wrestling, fake wrestling, right? Uh World Wrestling Entertainment wrestling. And so, I splurged one uh one weekend, and I bought us tickets to see

[11:54] wrestling at Madison Square Garden. So, we go, and we're watching these guys smash chairs over each others' heads, and jump and land on tables and smash the table. And I said to my eldest son, who I mean, now he's 33, but at the time he was I guess nine or eight eight years old. I said, "Buddy, I don't get it. Which one is the good guy?" And he said, "That's [laughter] just it, Dad. There is no good guy." That was the situation in Syria.

[12:24] >> Mhm. >> It's possible [clears throat] to just have a situation where there is no good guy. And so, what you do is you support the least bad guy. Uh Bashar al-Assad had a lot of problems, right? He was a a dictator. He was the son of a dictator. He used a heavy hand against his own people. But, he was the only thing standing between the Christian community of Syria and complete annihilation. And so, we decided we didn't like his politics, and we worked with the Israelis and the Turks to throw him out.

[12:56] And now he's in exile. So, who takes over Syria, but the former deputy leader of ISIS, who apparently was chosen by the CIA, leads me to believe he was probably a CIA paid CIA agent, but that's we can talk about that at some other point. Um and there's a genocide against Christians. So, why the short-sighted policies coming out of the United States? If if we're supposed to be so Christian, so

[13:28] pro-Christian, we talk about Judeo-Christian values, and then we support the wholesale slaughter of the world's original Christians. I'm just not understanding, you know, where the disconnect comes from. When we come back, we will have more with the hosts of Redacted. I'm John Kiriakou, and this is The Deep State. Stay right there.

[13:58] We're joined back again today by our guests, Natalie and Clayton Morris. They're the hosts of the hit show Redacted. There's a video that's that's going around on TikTok and other platforms right now. Uh it's a a young woman who's an American Evangelical Christian, and she goes to Israel for the very first time, and she starts saying things like, you know, "Israel! Israel!" And a group of young Jewish boys walks up to her, and they spit right on her. Spit right in her face. And she wipes it off,

[14:29] and she says, "Holy spit. Israel's spit. It's holy. It's okay." And then she she goes into the um Old City, and um she's got a microphone, and she's trying to interview people about, you know, "Isn't Israel great?" Over to you. And a a teenager takes a a backpack and just smashes her in the head with the backpack. And she starts crying. She's like, "Why are they doing this to me? I love Israel. Why? Why are they doing this?"

[15:00] It's like, "Lady, don't you get it? They don't care about you. They only care about them." There's no room for you in Israel. >> It's like a form of Stockholm Syndrome, in a way. >> That's exactly what it is. >> it's Like, you can just continue to beat us down, and we're just going to continue to kiss your ass. We'll continue to do your bidding. You can send your prime minister to uh to Washington D.C. for the seventh time. We'll take your money. We'll do all do everything. You You can buy our American businesses. You can take over TikTok.

[15:31] We'll hand that to you. And then when we go there and you'll treat us like garbage, but it's okay. You're allowed to treat us like garbage. That's fine. Just keep treating us like garbage and we'll just continue to take it. At some point, someone's going to snap. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's right. You know, I [snorts] I have to ask you about that, too. Um about about sort of taking over. Why is it, do you think, that a country as small as Israel is able to exert such

[16:01] outsized influence, not just in politics. We've had that conversation a thousand times. Not just in American politics, but in American business, in entertainment, in banking, even even in the defense industries. You know, we we either give or sell Israel anything it wants, anything at all. And the Israelis have very close and abiding relations with most of the major American defense contractors. Why?

[16:32] >> I mean, this is something that's plagued me and I've You know, if you go back and read John Mearsheimer's The Israel Lobby. >> Yes. >> And you at least try to understand how over decades this grew and grew and grew and there were politicians like John F. Kennedy, for instance, who um certainly didn't want this and were kind of openly against it. They wind up dead, of course. So, I think there is I I don't know. I think the money I mean, follow the money at the heart of it, right? Follow the money and the influence inside of Washington and realize that almost every politician in

[17:04] Washington to Thomas Massie's credit, when he admitted that everyone has like an AIPAC handler, um someone who funnels money to them, make sure that they're on message. And then when you realize then that the defense industry has uh factories manufacturing. One thing I learned years ago and I think it's grown tremendously since I learned it, but the idea that a lot of the defense manufacturing sits in the backyard. They've they've very strategically built

[17:35] little weapons parts factories in different parts of the country. So, Boeing doesn't just have their main Boeing operation center, but they have like, you know, this little piece that's built over here and they build it in the back of So, they've they've spread themselves all across the United States so that they're essentially in the backyards of almost every politician. >> That's right. >> So, that every politician can say, you know, Boeing's in my backyard. I've got to protect them. It it it benefits the weapons industry, but it's also represents my district. Well, how many districts? Because they've spread themselves Honeywell, Northrop Grumman,

[18:06] all of these like little divisions all across the United States. So, that's one big piece of it. And then every member of Congress takes money and influence and works with AIPAC. So, the money flows in and it flows right back out and it's all one big money laundering operation and they're all benefiting from it and there are very few who aren't benefiting from it. And if they aren't, then they're they're cast out. I mean, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene or, you know, Matt Gaetz or Congressman Thomas Massie. Look look the hell that he's going through right now being, you know, trying to be primary. Um so, I think

[18:37] it's it's a massive money laundering operation at the heart of it. That's That's how I see it and it just flows back. So, just follow the money, follow the weapons. >> And and I have to say I also think >> I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead, Natalie. No, no, no, please. >> No, no, you go ahead. >> I was going to say I I learned recently that it's even deeper than just that. Um I have a friend who got a call from a Texas state senator. And he said, "Hey, we'd like to do um a a resolution, a state senate resolution naming

[19:08] such and such a date as John Smith Day." Uh he said, "It's pro forma. We do about 140 of these a year where you're going to get a proclamation with the big seal of Texas and the governor's signature, and it's going to be, you know, your day." He said, "Oh, great. Okay." So, a couple of weeks pass, and the state senator calls back, and he says, "Listen, that uh John Smith Day, that's not going to happen." And he said, "Why? You said it was pro forma." And the state senator said, "The AIPAC lobbyists objected to it."

[19:40] And I said, "Wait a minute. They have AIPAC lobbyists in the state capitals? For for the state legislatures?" And he said, "Not just in the state capitals. They have lobbyists all over America. They're lobbying in local city council elections. Maybe you're running for the water board of whatever city or the garbage commission of whatever city you happen to be living in, and there are AIPAC lobbyists even at that level." >> Yeah. >> That's unbelievable. I'm not surprised

[20:11] though, at all. I mean, you know, you can see That's where real politics is born, right at the local level, at the school board level, um you know, in your in your mayoral races. That's That's the influence. That's how, for instance, we're in the state of Colorado, like everyone should read how the state of Colorado went from being a red state to a blue state. And it was all done specifically at the local level, and with the ad spend, the targeted ad spend in these specific races. And now, you know, Colorado is is by all accounts a blue state. On election night, it immediately, as soon

[20:42] as they called it, "Hey, Colorado polls are closed." They immediately called it for Kamala Harris. You know, it's unbelievable. In a in a landslide election for Trump, Colorado went blue, but it all happened at the local elections. >> Yeah. You know, when you study If I were to If I were to submit a term paper about this, the hypothesis would be that the sort of communist Zionist infiltration of the US government happened very early. When you study the movement that became McCarthyism, McCarthy was right.

[21:14] There were Soviet communist spies working inside the State Department. He did not make that up. He got that from a State Department report that you cannot find on national archives, and he was excoriated from it, even though the FBI had corroborating files. Hoover hung him out to dry. Hoover himself had been taking this to the White House, and it had been ignored. Why? Why this this communist infiltration? And then you look at There's a book called The Iron

[21:46] Curtain Over America by John Beaty, who was a State Department ex- representative. He worked for the State Department, and he was warning that a lot of these communists in the '50s and who also were Zionists were converting to Judaism in order to make this claim that related to Zionism. And he said he compared it to someone converting to a Native American religion and saying that gives me claim to the United States. It It doesn't, right? And

[22:18] so it has And so if I were, again, like I would need a little bit more time to flush out this term paper, but I think that I can trace it through early early American politics, and it's a long game.
