Title: DeProgram (Ted Rall)
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2025-11-10
URL: https://youtu.be/6uJAMwNGkkQ
Duration: 58:00

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[00:01] Good morning. You're watching the program with Ted R and John Kuryaku for Monday, November 10th, 2025. Good morning, John. >> Good morning, Ted. How are you? >> I'm good, but maybe not quite as good as Gizlain Maxwell. The news just broke about a minute ago that uh a whistleblower exposed that uh she has asked Trump to commute her sentence and that prison employees say she's receiving quote unquote concierge style treatment. You know, man, this is bad. This is bad.

[00:33] Rudy Giuliani was just uh pardoned early this morning and uh all these other criminals who uh had something to do with with um denying uh the 2020 election. This is I don't know. >> And meanwhile, here you sit >> waiting by the phone >> quite literally. I listen I don't want to get ahead of myself but I had I had

[01:04] coffee on Friday evening with I had coffee Friday evening with a cabinet member >> and he told me to be patient and I said it's only because you're saying that that I will be patient but uh >> you've been patient. I've been very patient and um >> it's November. >> I don't know, man. I have to watch what I say, which is another thing he told

[01:34] me. >> Yes. >> But um >> and we're we all understand that. >> And I appreciate it, but I I have to say that I'm not I'm not sanguin that that this is all based on justice. No, I mean, you know, let's face it, the the the pardon uh right is something that goes back to monarchy and we inherited from that. So, it's not really, you know, it's not really a democratic small d democratic process. Um, >> well, >> no. So, and well, you know, we're

[02:06] crossing our fingers and obviously we, like I said, I'll reiterate that we all understand there are things you can't talk about and shouldn't talk about. So, uh, you know, we all want you to to get we want that to come through. >> And, you know, Ted, really for me, the bottom line is there is literally nothing else that I can do to make a strong case. There's nothing. I've done it. I've done it all. I've I've been on every show I needed to go on. I've said all the things I need to say. There's

[02:37] nothing else I can do. >> No, I I would I would say that's probably true. I mean, you know, it's it drives me a little crazy because when I hear about like this morning when I heard about the pardon when I woke up, I was like, "Oh, blanket pardon. Maybe John can be under the big blanket." >> I actually read the article. It was the first thing that I woke up to this morning. I read the article thinking, "Well, Giuliani is the headliner name. Maybe I'm buried somewhere in the bottom." Because often times what Trump does, unlike what other uh presidents have done, he'll pardon someone and not

[03:08] tell anybody. And they read about it in the press like this Binance guy. >> So bizarre. >> This Binance guy said over the weekend, Ted, >> that he never met Donald Trump. He never asked for a pardon. He never even applied for a pardon. >> Wow. >> And Trump pardoned him anyway. >> Yeah, that's that it's so it's so weird and quirky. Um well, we got a lot to talk about and hopefully one of these mornings we're going to have your pardon to talk about. And I hope so. Don't forget about the show when you're taking

[03:39] all those calls. Um because it would be easy to be distracted. I always think the worst thing and this is like my warning to you. Make sure you stay healthy because uh there was a guy I don't know if you remember him maybe about 20 years ago and he lived in New York City. I think he might have been at Colombia but he could have been at like Brooklyn Polytech. I want to say Brooklyn Polytech but he won he got the call from Stockholm that he had won the Nobel Prize in possibly physics um or biochemistry. Anyway, he he he he he's a Yale professor. He gets into his car to

[04:11] drive up the Connecticut Turnpike to uh to to up to uh New Haven and on route he has a [ __ ] heart attack, crashes his car and dies. >> Oh my god, that's >> And it was like obviously he was so like incredibly excited and overwhelmed it killed him. >> So [laughter] he got a So yoga. Well, I may if if I get a pardon, I may take that day off so I can go buy guns, which I promised myself is the first thing I'm going to do.

[04:42] >> You're gonna Well, at least John Kuryaku is stimulating the economy. [laughter] Um, you know, even if even if even if consumer spending is starting to slow down a little bit. All right, let's go ahead and and talk about what we're going to be talking about, among other things. And as usual, we always love to get uh the questions and comments in the Rumble and the YouTube live chats. Much appreciated. All right, so obviously the big news of the day is what appears to be the shaping the formation of a deal. Possibly it's really a deal uh related

[05:13] to the shutdown. We'll get into that. Um, also there's this pardon that we just alluded to uh for 77 Trump um affiliates including Giuliani, Sydney Powell, Mark Meadows and so on. Uh these this was all related to the 2020 um you know efforts to overturn the the results of the 2020 election. Um also super interesting story about the Nordstream the German investigation into the Nordstream pipeline explosion. Um, I'm it's almost starting to make me doubt my

[05:44] doubt, but we should get into that. John, what are you interested in talking about first? >> Well, to tell you the truth, if you don't mind spending five minutes, I want to talk about something that I posted on Facebook um day before yesterday from the Blaze. Literally, nobody else has picked this story up. But the Blaze is reporting that the FBI has zeroed in on the January 6th pipe bomber. That is that person seen in security footage placing

[06:15] pipe bombs in front of the RNC and the DNC. >> Mhm. >> And that person is a Capitol police officer who had been on rotation to the CIA doing physical security. Now, this is a female uh Capitol police officer, now former Capitol police officer who was injured in college um in college sports and so has a limp and they were able to to deduce from her

[06:47] limp um that she was the the bomber. Now, when the Blaze sent a reporter over to her house just to take a look at it, they saw immediately that the house is under surveillance, and that surveillance is likely the FBI. Now, the the blaze was very clear that this woman has not been charged with a crime. >> She has not had this case turned over to a grand jury for indictment. They just have used this technology to

[07:19] determine that it is likely her. And they put that likelihood at 94%. >> That's very precise. >> It's very precise and I think they did it, you know, using computers. Um but but uh this is a story to watch because if it's true, >> it adds a whole new layer to January 6th. >> Well, how so? um could delve into that a little bit >> because then if if it's true that it was her, did she do it on behalf of the CIA

[07:51] or did the CIA know she was doing it even if she was acting independently? Um was this some kind of a a task from the Capitol police? Was it a Was she a rogue that had infiltrated the Capitol police and then asked for a C a CIA transfer? I mean, who who was doing what in this in this situation? We we don't know anything. It does in the weasel words of newspapers raise questions, doesn't it? >> Yeah, indeed. >> Um, so by the way, I I before we uh get

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[09:54] appreciate you guys and your support is incredible. >> Okay, so that's a story to watch. All right, let's I think we should talk about the shutdown deal. What do you think? >> Without a doubt. >> Okay, so >> you called it. You called it, Ted. I mean, we said it last week. The Democrats were weak and they were going to cave and they caved. And for those of us who are dependent on Obamacare, we all got screwed today. That's I'm one of them. Um yeah, and that is a uh so yeah,

[10:25] so basically we have eight traders including Tim Kaine from whom I really expected more. >> Angus King from which I expect nothing. No. >> Um and uh and and you know and and a bunch and a half dozen others. >> But both of New Hampshire's senators, I expected much more from them. >> Yeah. >> Jean Shaheen and Maggie Hassan. So disappointing. >> Very disappointing. Maggie Hassan in particular. Um, yeah, I have a personal connection there that I'm not going to get into, but uh, yeah, really really

[10:55] annoying to to as as hell. Um, and uh, and so yeah, so basically there's a lot of mixed reporting here about how important this vote is. Uh, does this I mean I'm seeing everything, John, from this is the floodgates have opened. Um, this will be this means the shutdown is coming to an end. there's nothing Democrats can do. Obviously, they can't do anything in the House. Um the Republicans control both h both both both houses. Um but there's also

[11:26] reporting saying no, no, no, no. It's not done yet. Um you know, there has to be a few more votes. This is just a procedural vote. [clears throat] Um it doesn't mean that you get to the 60 filibuster vixie vote filibuster breaking um supermajority, >> right? >> Um you know, so it's it's a little confusing. Um and also so basically this deal says that uh we get a we get an extension through January 30th. So f the government is funded for a quarter. Um

[11:57] Democrats don't seem to have gotten anything. They seem to have gotten rolled here. I mean basically retroactive pay uh for the people who've been furled. They would have gotten that anyway. Yeah. 1 million%. That's the law. I mean no matter what Trump says, right? um restoring SNAP and veteran affairs benefits. Okay. I mean that's good obviously. Um but all they're going to get is a vote on the principal issue at hand here, which is the Affordable

[12:27] Care Act subsidies and tax breaks. Um they're not going to get a guaranteed support for it. They're going to get a vote and the Republicans will just vote no. Um so if they even get a vote, right? I mean, so this is about maybe getting Republicans on the record as being against the Affordable Care Act before the midterms. I mean, this seems like it does really seem like a surrender. Hakeem Jeff is actually expressed, you know, displayed emotion

[12:58] of actual anger and and uh seems to be actually annoyed, something we don't normally see, but there's nothing he can do about it over in the House of Representatives, you know. I mean the house is the house is controlled by the GOP. >> What now? >> That's exactly right. Well, you this is an interesting thing. >> So this deal this deal that may or may not be on the table today um is not what the House passed. And remember the idea was the House passed the Trump budget

[13:29] period and then they went into recess and everybody went home. So the House hasn't been in session for a month. There's nobody on Capitol Hill. There was an article in today's Washington Post saying businesses are going bankrupt because there's nobody on Capitol Hill between the shutdown and the recess. Okay. So, the Senate then has come up with its own agreement. That means that the House is going to have to come back and vote on the Senate version, which is exactly the

[13:59] opposite of what they wanted to do. They wanted to pass the House version and then the Senate votes on the House version. Now it's reversed. Well, Hakee Jeff said last night that he can [clears throat] he can speak for literally every Democratic vote in the House and every single Democrat will vote no on the budget that comes out of the Senate. Well, the the Republicans need seven Democratic senators to pass this thing.

[14:30] The House needs only three Republican congressmen to kill it. So I'm wondering now if attention should shift to the House because this is not what Mike Johnson said he was going to pass. >> So basically confusion reigns and and confusion is the best hope of people who still want to have governmentbacked insurance. And I'll tell you what, if if people if people don't really know how government works, you know, sixth grade

[15:01] physics, ninth grade physics, physics, uh, civics was a long time ago. >> Yeah. >> Um, watch this. This is how the sausage is made. And it it's it's not pretty. >> No, it really isn't. Um, it's bizarre. Um, >> yeah. Okay. So, um I mean, so I think this is a really bad look for Democrats. Let's let's do some analysis here. I mean, what exactly is up with the Senate

[15:32] caucus? I mean, Sen uh you know, Schumer is the minority leader. He's the boss of the Democrats in the Senate. He told them all to vote no. He's voting no. >> Yeah. >> Personally, how come he couldn't keep his his caucus in line? >> That's that's a great question. And the reason is because with a wink and a nod last night, he said, "Well, I'm going to vote against it, but you vote the way you want to vote." So that's not

[16:05] whipping votes. You know, there there's a majority whip and a minority whip because in the olden days, in the 1700s and the 1800s, they used this figurative whip to to get people to vote the way leadership wanted them to vote. So, it's become formalized in the position of minority and majority whip. Schumer did not whip votes last night. He told them to vote their conscience, which is very dangerous. That is a concession that you've lost. >> Yeah. So just go ahead and vote any way

[16:35] you you want to vote 99.9% of the time. And I mean this quite literally. Votes are whipped. Nobody is free to vote their conscience. That's that's the duopoly that we have. >> John, I don't understand though. Um like so just last week I mean I know it's like you know sort of like Winston Smith in 1984. you start to question your own memory. But if memory serves, less than a week ago, Democrats just won a stunning series of victories

[17:06] >> in these off-year elections. >> And everyone was saying like, and then we had uh a lot of uh you know, hand ringing on the part of Republicans, some of whom are very smart, analytical Republicans who said, "We're about to get our clocks cleaned in the midterms next November. We're we're in deep [ __ ] Uh the economy is making some uh there's some warning blinking light blinking warning lights right now. I mean, you know, if you're the Democrats, you're winning. We talked about how the

[17:37] Democrats have a had a have a predelection for, you know, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. But still, even by those standards, this is kind of stunning, isn't it? Right. I mean, you guys kept this this this shutdown going for over a month, >> and you're literally not going to get [ __ ] out of it because eight douchebags decided to cross over. >> That is Yeah, that is exactly what's wrong with the Democratic party. They took their

[18:07] wins from Tuesday and they said, "Aha, the most important thing was that we won on Tuesday and we flipped a couple of state legislatures and we won a bunch of school boards and we won in Republican seats in Pennsylvania that no Democrat had ever won before. We don't really care about helping people with this ACA situation, so we're just going to take our wins and go home." And that's what they're doing because they don't care

[18:37] about people like you and me, Ted. They don't care if we can't afford our health care policies. >> No, they they really don't. Um I think they're understating the the the point, too, when they say so there's 42 million Americans who receive these subsidies, right? They're saying [clears throat] they're expecting between two and four million people not to renew. I call [ __ ] on that. I think it's going to be a lot more. I mean, when you go from, you know, the subsidies are going up well over 100% for the average person, and in many cases, it's it's, you know,

[19:08] it's a bell curve. In some cases, it'll only go up a little bit, but in other cases, it's going to go up a whole [ __ ] ton. Um, it's going to triple or quadruple. Those triple or quadruple people are not renewing. Um, you know, especially if they're like under 60 and they're like, you know, I'll just I'll derp through this. >> Exactly. Exactly. This is Listen, if you're if you're a Democrat, this is bad. If you're a Republican, it's still bad. That's what this comes down to. >> Yeah. It's going to be a hate off.

[19:39] >> Yes. >> Next next in the midterms. And I guess the question is, will the will the midterms be nationalized? I don't know. They they rarely are. >> Rarely. Rarely. >> 94 74. >> Yeah. >> 82. 94 [clears throat] 74 80 um >> 82, right? >> 82 64 only because Kennedy had been killed. >> Yeah. Yep. So bizarre. Um >> Yep. >> Okay. So yeah, I don't know what's I

[20:10] don't know where we go from here. I mean, the whole thing is um it's very very strange. Um, MA the cat says, "I think they're just putting up resistance for show while the corporate over overlords commanded them to surrender." Um, John, do you think this was about the the flight delays? Um, you know, you're hearing Democrats say like, well, they were really freaking out over the idea that they were they might get blamed for the for, you know, the the meltdown of the air traffic control system. We have an average, we already yesterday there were over 2,000 flight cancellations. Yeah, we all know about

[20:42] the fly. you know about the Ripple and and uh yeah and you know the funny thing too is at least according to the to the New York Times um we've actually been saved from more cancellations because I didn't know this one of the lightest travel periods is um is the first two weeks of November because people are waiting until Thanksgiving to do their travel. >> Yeah, John, this is actually a really good time for future reference. This is a great time. We're ending a great time

[21:12] to travel. Like October 15th to November 15th. >> Yeah. >> I once flew to Beijing round trip from Detroit. From New York via Detroit to Beijing on Northwest >> for 400 bucks. >> Are you kidding me? >> Granted, it was coach. >> Yeah. But still, that's that's pretty incredible. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a great time of the year. January is also another great time of the year. January >> January is a great time. >> Like to like February 8th or so. >> Yeah. Um, you know, you can go anywhere. It costs nothing. And the weather's

[21:44] often not as shitty as you think wherever you go. Like, you know, it's France. How bad could it be? It'll be drizzling. It'll be 43. It's still France. >> The quason are still good. >> Um, but I mean, so what happens now? I mean, to me, I'm thinking about like even if the Democrats don't care about us, which I 100 million% agree with you. You're right. They don't care. But the thing is the weakness that it that it conveys. I mean, it's like, why vote for them, right? I mean, it's kind of like you're winning and you throw away your

[22:15] you're you're you know, all the polls showed that the Republicans were getting their clocks cleaned uh in the in this in the in public opinion because of the shutdown. Now, Democrats role, and I know Schumer is probably really frustrated. It's like, well, we've got these eight [ __ ] but were these eight [ __ ] offered anything? I mean, we they they're only get I mean, I don't even understand. You got to help me with this. You're being promised a vote. You're being promised a vote that you're going to lose because of the numbers in

[22:46] the House and the Senate. Why do you want this promise? Yeah. >> Why do you like And by the way, will you get that vote? Is this just about getting Republicans on the record uh voting voting against the subsidies so that maybe if they have the balls in October next year, Democratic uh Democrats running for reelection or election can say, you know, Senator John John Smith voted against American healthcare. This little girl died as a result. >> Probably John Smith hates you.

[23:16] >> Yeah, that's that's probably what we're talking about here. >> That's all it is. >> I think so. It's all politics. They don't care about us. That's the bottom line. I mean, I can count on one hand the number of senators that I think truly care about the American people. Well, I can count on one finger. I think it's Bernie Sanders. I really do. >> Yeah, he does care. Um, someone's asking, Real Real is asking me, but what year was that, Ted? Um, I don't know what you're talking

[23:46] about. Real Real, please clarify. Um, so yeah, I don't know. It's it's really crazy. Um, looking up transhumanist politicians by state shows you clearly who works for the WEF, people like Dan Krenshaw, Pete Buddha. >> Oh, don't get me started on Crenshaw. Oh my god. >> Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, etc. Krenshaw is one of those scumbags that is in a is in a league all of his own.

[24:19] You know what? Let me tell you about Crenshaw. So, I briefly dated this woman who was considerably younger than I, very, very attractive, a leader in her field. And uh we were at her place watching a movie one night and it was about midnight and her phone was on the floor near me.

[24:50] So midnight and the phone buzzes. She gets a text message. It's from [ __ ] Crenshaw. And he says, "What are you wearing?" And I'm like, "It's I said it's Dan Crenshaw." He says, "What are you wearing?" and she says, "Oh, that that [ __ ] won't leave me alone." So, um, so I I took the phone and I wrote back. I said, "Crenchaw, this is her boyfriend. Why don't you ask your wife what she's wearing?"

[25:22] And he texts back, "Sorry, scumbag." His wife just had they had a 10-month old baby at the time, but he's asking my girlfriend what she's wearing at 12:00 at night. And then and then she she me some of his other text messages. They were filthy. >> They were filthy. And she saved them just in case she needed to use them against him. >> Jesus Christ. >> Yeah, he's a scumbag. >> Insane. Uh Soden 2324. Thank you so much for the 1999 uh donation. Good morning,

[25:54] guys. Hope all is well. [ __ ] this shutdown. My mom was stuck on on a on a plane in Norfolk for four hours, then the flight was cancelled. We're better. Uh, we're better. We are way better than than this. Yeah. Well, that's un undeniably it's it's ridiculous. I mean, if we were Molly and we had no money, but we're literally pretending tying tying our our hands behind our our budgetary hands behind our backs and pretending like we have no money. Um, uh, also thanks for the five bucks for real lump and proletariat. Uh, great

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[27:29] him back on to explain the whole desire, uh, how why we do prefer if it's practical for you to watch us on on Rumble rather than YouTube just because we get a lot higher percentage of the of the money. Um, so thank you so much for that. Uh, let's see. Uh, see, this is why we need I I need Robbie back because I'm like so busy like going down the scroll. >> [sighs and gasps] >> Uh anyway, so all right, we have other stuff to talk about here. Are we done with the shutdown? I mean, what do you

[27:59] think? So, okay, what do you think is going to happen here? I mean, is this basic basically the beginning of the end? Have the Democrats lost and is this over? Are these eight traders going to [ __ ] us or is there some Obviously, nothing's going to happen in the House. Hakee Jeff aside. Um but >> no, they're gonna cave. They're going to cave. Um, I I tried to read as much as I could about what exactly this deal is, and it's it's little stuff, Ted. First of all, it's not a fullear budget. It's it only gets us to

[28:31] January. Um, and uh and it includes things like a guarantee that federal workers who have been furled will get their pay. and it uh it reinstates everybody who was fired by Trump over the last couple of months. Uh and he's decimated the uh Justice Department. So, it's little stuff. The Democrats are agreeing to all these little things and then they're giving up the ACA subsidy. Just giving it up.

[29:04] >> And that's the end of the ACA. And I mean, it's going to it is going to drive the health care system off a cliff potentially, right? I mean, because not only is the ACA going to collapse, cuz it's been teetering on the edge of disaster for years. Um, and now, you know, the whole the whole theory behind this stupid thing that the Heritage Foundation came up with when it was Romney Care was that if uh you know, it was it was all about volume, right? How do we do it? Volume. And so, you know, you get a lot of people uh in this plan and then the the the plans can negotiate

[29:36] better rates with the pharmaceutical companies and the health care companies, blah blah blah. Um and but if you have fewer of those people, then that's not true anymore. And it's also uh underpinning the private insurance system and it's the the whole subsidies are going to go away. Prices are going to go up across the board, including for people who aren't even insured. >> Yeah, that that's right. That's right. I told you I went from nine roughly 900 a month to 1,900 a month and I I'm I'm not

[30:07] sure how I'm going to manage this. I I don't I can't do it. I don't have 1,900 a month for health insurance. >> No, it's insane. >> Yeah. I mean, right now that's more than this show pays. So >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. That's ridiculous. Um >> okay, so um we'll see what happens there, obviously. All right. So, let's talk about these part. Do you want to talk about Nordstream or you want to talk about the pardons? >> Let's talk about the pardons. >> Okay. >> So, as you mentioned, Ted, the president has the the legal right, the

[30:40] constitutional right to pardon anybody he wants. >> Sure. And and there are there are stories about Abraham Lincoln staying up late into the night and pardoning people by candle light. Mostly deserters because to desert from your army unit in the Civil War was um was a death sentence. You were you were to be executed for that. And he said that no one should be should be executed for cowardice. So he would stay awake at

[31:11] night just signing pardons. No president has pardoned as many people in American history as Donald Trump has. And another thing about Donald Trump is most presidents wait until the period [clears throat] between an election and an inauguration. So between early November and January 20th, we usually see a flood of pardons. Donald Trump pardons people any time the mood strikes him.

[31:41] But the problem is many of these people, some might even say most of these people just aren't deserving of a pardon if you look at why they were convicted of a crime in the first place. And the whole idea of a pardon is that you've committed a crime, you've admitted to the crime, and then you've put your life on the right track, and you've, you know, you've written the ship, writed the ship. Um,

[32:15] I I'd say really Rudy Giuliani doesn't fit that category or many of these other people. Well, how how worthwhile is this anyway? Right. Don't most of these people, if they face charges, face state charges >> in in Giuliani's case, yes. >> So then this and so I mean I heard on uh this morning on the radio someone arguing that uh even a a federal pardon is something that you can take to a state judge and say and argue and say

[32:48] these charges should be dropped because the US government doesn't care about them. So why should the state of whatever care about them? Is that true? >> In some strike me as true >> in in some cases it is. You know, but like with my with my state pardon that I mentioned, Governor Terry McAuliff, I didn't even apply for a pardon. Governor Terry McAuliffe followed my case and pardoned me just like that. I got this big certificate in the mail with a gold seal on it and the governor's signature.

[33:18] It was all very ceremonial. Um, but I hadn't committed any state crime. Still, it was kind of a nice symbolic thing to do. And in a lot of these cases, that's what Trump is doing. There was no there was no danger that Rudy Giuliani was going to go to a federal prison. I don't think anybody in America believed Rudy Giuliani was eventually going to go to a federal prison. A state prison, on the other hand, is a real possibility, and it continues to be a real possibility. We should add one thing, too. I had a

[33:49] long conversation with a friend of mine last night who's not just a Republican and a conservative, but like irrationally Republican and conservative where you challenge him on his beliefs and he doesn't have any idea why he believes these things. It's just that's what the right says he's supposed to believe and so he just parrots it back. So anyway, we were talking about Elise Defanic last night and she announced her candidacy for governor against um Hokll and I said I can't stand Hokll, but I'm

[34:21] not a fan I'm not a fan of Elise Defanic either. Uh I think that wherever the wind happens to be blowing that's where Elise Defanic is on the uh on the the issues. And um and he said, "Oh, Elise Defanic's going to win." And I said, "Absolutely not. This year or any other year's not going to win." And he came up with this very complicated reason that it's going to be on one single issue. He said,

[34:51] >> um, the issue is that New Yorkers are not allowed to carry guns. Everywhere you go, even if you have a a gun permit, there are signs that say no guns, no guns, no guns, no guns. Especially around New York City. like he said, "I can't even carry my gun to the police station." True. >> Like why would you want to carry your gun to the >> By the way, and that's not true, right? Ever since the what is it 2018 the Supreme Court decision >> Supreme Court case and I let me tell you it's like it's not [ __ ] there are more signs in Kbble that say you can't carry

[35:21] a gun into an establishment than there are in New York. I mean there's no signs on the door that say like no guns or like a a picture of a handgun with a with a cross through it. That's just not true. I mean, it's guns are so off the radar in New York City. Yeah. That nobody bothers to ban them from their businesses. >> Yeah. Um I'm responding to BIA uh real quick. You're putting words in my mouth. Okay. So, anyway, he said that um

[35:54] he said that uh uh that New Yorkers are so frustrated that they're going to vote for Stfanic because they want to carry their guns. And I said, "That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say, and I've heard you say some really stupid things." >> I agree. >> I said, "People are going to say, "Oh, I'm pro-choice and I support the social safety net, but I'm going to vote for Stfanic because she wants me to be able to carry a gun to a gas station." I said, "That's seriously what you're

[36:24] telling me." I said, "Listen, I'm going to say it right now where there's plenty of time. Elise Defanic will not be governor of New York. Period. >> No, there's no way. I mean, some other Republican might possibly be. I mean, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. I mean, Robert Pataki was governor of New York. >> Sure. >> It can happen. >> He was a good one, too, actually. And but I but I gotta say the population of so in New York state right basically roughly half the population lives in New York City and is fervently like

[36:56] left-wing Democrat and then half the population lives everywhere else right like we call upstate um which basically means everything outside of New York City. Um, >> right. >> And that population. So the thing is though, the population of upstate is like 6040 Republican. The population of New York City and and on Verons is probably 80% Democratic. So the So a Democrat basically wins unless the Democrat [ __ ] up big time. Elise

[37:27] Stefonic is not going to be the governor of New York. Um, it's just she just won't. Uh even if somehow it turns out Kathy Hokll is the Eric Adams of Albany, uh that still won't happen. Um you know, it's it's just the demographics don't work anymore. I'd have to say it's almost like California. I don't think the Republican party is viable um you know, for statewide office in New York anymore. It the demographics have just changed. Um I don't think she's running agree. The thing is, you know, the lieutenant governor in New York um is

[37:57] the person is kind of like it's very old-fashioned. It's a separate thing, right? the governor doesn't pick their lieutenant governor. So, she could be lieutenant governor easily under Hokll. Uh, that could happen. >> Ideologically, they're not too terribly far apart. >> That's true. I mean, Hokll Hokll is trying to pivot a little bit over to the left. She's scooching to the left um in the wake of the Mamani win, but she's not. She's a conservative Democrat from Buffalo from way up on the Canadian border.

[38:27] >> That's right. I I have to admit too that that I I think Alise Defanic got screwed politically. She was supposed to be ambassador of the United Nations. Trump uh ended up taking that nomination away from her um because he thought it would be better for her to remain in her congressional seat. I think she represents Staten Island and a little sliver of Brooklyn. Um oh, breaking news. The Supreme Court rejects a call to overturn its decision legalizing

[38:57] same-sex marriage. There's a shock. >> I was not surprised there. No. At all. >> So, um, Stfanic ended up also the Supreme Court will decide a bunch of stuff is coming out of the court right now. It it is going to take a case deciding whether mailed in mail-in ballots have to be received by election day. They should not. They should have to be postmarked by election day because nobody can control the post [clears throat] office, right? I mean, >> agree completely. Yes, agree completely.

[39:30] So, anyway, Stfanic ended up keeping her congressional seat. Then she had to figure out something to do because she's not going to be in the administration now. And she ended up just saying, "Well, I I'll run for governor." And I said to him, I she's she's very talented. She was going places in the Republican party and um and I think her political career is done. She can't get elected to the Senate. She won't get elected governor. Another Republican's going to take her House seat. I think

[40:02] she's done. >> What is uh I mean, why is she running for governor? I mean, why you know I I'm I I firmly believe in the doctrine that you should never ever pick a fight that you cannot win. um you know if you have a chance at winning but there's no chance here I mean uh okay maybe not that's an exaggeration I think she has like a five to one chance of be of of prevailing in a in a gubanatorial race right I mean that's those aren't that you don't raise

[40:32] money to one >> yeah sorry Hokll's a terrible human being I I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if Hokll were to lose that that election but I just don't think >> I don't think that uh that she's got a chance. [clears throat] >> No, no way. >> No. >> So funny. Uh, someone said it wouldn't be an episode of DE programmed without an Afghanistan comparison. >> We can't help it. >> We can't we we we have to. Well, once

[41:02] you know it's it's a you won't go I won't go down that hole. Um, all right. So, yeah. So, what So, okay. So, in terms Do we want to leave the pardons there? Oh, by the way, I do have to ask you about Daryl Strawberry, >> man. You know, every time I open a paper and I see somebody's been part See, Daryl Strawberry is another guy who didn't even apply. I mean, Trump loves the Mets. Daryl Strawberry was a giant on the Mets. He

[41:33] ran into some problems with taxes and drugs and a couple of other things. He gets [clears throat] a pardon. Yeah. So, there it is. >> It's Yeah. I mean, are you at the point now like you know how that you go through a point where you're sort of like >> you're you're hopeful and then like you after a while you give up like I got to that point applying for the Pulitzer year after year after year and and in all fairness I I have been a finalist which is more than most of my peers can say so probably shouldn't winge too much

[42:05] but still yeah >> um you know I got to the point where I I really you know I said that I gave up but I didn't really gave up like I sort of crossed my fingers like but I still kind of want it and I'm still checking. Then I stopped paying attention to who won and then finally I stopped applying like where are you at in this in this uh in in this in this cycle? Are you're still hopeful? >> I said I I'm I'm hopeful because if anybody's going to pardon me, it's going to be Donald Trump. And um but like you,

[42:37] excuse [clears throat and cough] me, like you, I'm at the point where if I don't get it while Donald Trump is president, I give up. It's going to be the end of it for me. >> You don't think President JD Vance will take care of it? You'll take care of you? >> I don't I don't think so. >> Yeah. All right. So, yeah. Yeah. By the way, your friend is totally wrong about Elise Stefonic and about guns. I mean,

[43:07] >> yeah, >> like New York City voters don't carry guns >> at all. I mean, you know, >> at all. >> And um and and like most people in the state don't carry guns. Yeah. So, >> that's right. >> It's just not a I mean, I'm not even saying they shouldn't have the right to do it. I'm a Second Amendment person. I just don't think that that's that's just not going to determine the results of a of a gubanatorial election. >> No. And and I said to him, I said, I I remember when I got my concealed carry

[43:37] permit, um they specifically warned me that the concealed the the multi-state concealed carry permit is not recognized in New York, New Jersey, or Maryland. So, don't carry a concealed weapon in New York, New Jersey, or Maryland. Okay, fine. >> I don't, by the way, the concealed the concealed carry thing. I never understood um like so it's like you're allowed to carry the gun visibly but not so I mean what what is the thinking

[44:09] behind like whether society benefits from pe from people who have who are carrying a handgun carrying it openly versus not openly. I I really never understood this. >> Yeah, that's a good question. I I don't know to tell you the truth. I do watch a lot of videos on Tik Tok again last night of guys um wearing sidearms >> and then just standing in front of a police station with a gimbal recording and the cops always lose their minds and

[44:41] come outside. Hey, whoa, what's going on here? He said, just just uh practicing my first amendment freedoms. I'm an independent journalist working on a story. Yeah, well, you're wearing a gun. which is perfectly legal. And then they always say, "You're dismissed." They say to the cops, "You're dismissed. You can go." Now, >> Real Real is asking us about a Russia story. Uh, any thoughts on the Sergey Lavough situation? Supposedly, Putin's

[45:11] second daughter is working against him. He's been sidelined from a Security Council meeting and is not going to the G20. Um yeah, that surprised me a lot actually. Um I told you when I was at the United Nations, Sergey Lavrov was the Russian ambassador and so I got to work with him at the security council. This guy is a very very very impressive

[45:42] uh diplomat uh better than most American diplomats uh for whom I worked and um but he has no political um aspirations in Russia at all. He's he's a diplomat. He just likes to be a diplomat >> and he's very loyal. >> Very intensely loyal. if if there's something going on behind the scenes where where he's in the process of being sidelined, my guess is my educated guess

[46:15] is that um is that he'll just retire quietly. >> Yeah, that I I would agree with that. Fasmataz is asking me uh who would you trust more? You should ask this answer this question too, John. in their palace at their mercy. Rasheed Dustin or God Emperor Trump and Reich. Um, I've been in that situation as you know if you listen to the show. Dustin's a monster. >> Rashid Dust. >> Yeah, Dustin's a monster. >> He is a monster, but he didn't lie to me.

[46:45] >> Well, >> and and what he what he exposed to me was that Donald Rumsfeld was an even bigger monster. >> Yeah. Well, that's true, too. John is asking, "You're being asked by uh Sud uh Sud suda, not Suda." Okay. Uh it's very unlikely, but what if John Brennan had the power to pardon you? Would you accept it from him? What's the beef between you two? I understand he's a bad guy. The my my beef with him is that he specifically tasked the Justice

[47:17] Department with prosecuting me and then they trumped up espionage charges which had to be dismissed and threatened me with 45 years in prison. It bankrupted me. I lost friends. I lost my family. I lost my pension. I lost my freedom. I lost everything. That's my beef with John Brennan. John Brennan's gonna get what he has coming to him. >> That's that's a big beef. John Magcguire has a question for you. Thanks for the 10 bucks, by the way. Uh, is there

[47:47] another angle you can work outside of a pardon that would reinstate your pension? I'm going to make this a two-parter. We also have a question uh like is there anything that uh from this is from John Ward is what can we do to help you get a pardon? Uh, in my opinion, you should get a presidential >> Thank you. >> medal of freedom. Agreed. >> Oh, thank you. Um, to answer John Magcguire's uh question first, yeah, there is a second angle. It's called a writ of quorum novice. I happen to be at

[48:19] a at a dinner party and I was sitting next to a circuit court judge and we were talking about this and I mentioned a rit of cororum nois and she said, "Wow." She goes, "A rit of quorumn nobus? I haven't even heard that term since law school. But what it is is the Justice Department would have to go to the Eastern District of Virginia court and say, "We made a mistake in prosecuting John Kuryaku. We recognize

[48:51] the mistake. We admit the mistake and we ask that his conviction be overturned." >> They're exceedingly rare. There was one in like 2001. There was one in 1986, but they're very, very rare. With that said, you know, the Trump Justice Department hates the legal system as much as I do, so maybe I I stand a chance there. I don't know. We'll see. And then what can people do? Tell you the truth, um, an

[49:21] email or a uh a letter to the US pardon attorney, Ed Martin, would be very helpful. Thank you. Okay. So, um maybe we should get that address, but just Google, right? What's what's better, snail mail or email? I always feel like snail mail. >> I think snail mail is better. Um >> so, just Google this. Just Google the mailing address for again. Who is that again? >> Uh his name is Ed Martin. Here it is right here. >> Um you know what? I'll I'll put it in I'll put it in the chats.

[49:52] >> Okay. And I'll put it up on the on the screen. So, Ed Martin is the u Yeah. Is is the guy. and um you know and and try to follow like maybe go to AI or whatever and do formal terms of address uh you know form of address for the letter print it out sign it you know yourself and drop it off with an oldfashioned stamp in the mailbox that's the way to go >> thank you t >> okay so you know that would that's maybe that's something we should jin up here we should like put put that up every day

[50:22] and uh you know encourage people to write because honestly if they got a trickle of letters every day I think it might You know, a friend of mine called Martin the other day. They're friends. And he called to say, "Come on, man. You got to pardon John Kiryaku." And Ed Martin reportedly said, "You're the third person today to call him about about to call me about him. Just tell him to relax. My his file is literally on my desk." Is what he said. So, >> well, that's easy to say when you're not the one waiting for the pardon

[50:54] >> to relax. >> Yeah, that's right. Well, you know, well, hopefully from Ed's from Ed's lips to God's ears, >> man. I hope so. >> Um, all right, let's talk about Nordstream. Um, >> yeah. >> So, uh, German investigators, um, you know, they've launched this investigation that to me, and I think you probably agree with me, seemed like a lot of [ __ ] Um, basically, you know, the this sidelines the Sai Hersh theory of the uh US uh the US Navy uh being involved in uh going down to the

[51:26] bottom of the sea and uh to the north the North Sea and blowing up Nordstream back in 2022, one of the biggest acts of eotterrorism in the history of the world. Um anyway, uh the Germans say that they're pointing to not really kind of like we'd been told we'd been told this story about the Ukrainian like pleasure craft uh with some like random Ukrainians uh you know out drinking a little too much vodka going down to drop to to blow up the pipeline. Now it look there it's the Germans are drawing a

[51:57] bead on the guy who was literally the commander of the Ukrainian armed forces Valeri Zalujni. Uh he's currently the Ukrainian ambassador to London. Wall Street Journal says the Germans are after him and that this is causing all sorts of rifts between Germany and Ukraine uh between Poland and Germany and so on. Not that Poland and Germany have ever had any problems. Um, so the um, so anyway, there's uh, this key guy, Sir K, uh, who's a, uh, SBU guy. That's

[52:30] the Ukra that's the Ukrainians um, traced uh, by basically a speed camera photo using facial recognition software. And uh the Germans seem pretty confident that they've got their working theory and that their working theory is accurate and they're ready to start uh you know issuing subpoenas and all that. Um what do you think? What do you make of all this? I mean it's it's definitely a wrinkle that I hadn't considered. >> Yeah, this is this is kind of a crazy

[53:01] development, isn't it? And it's one of those situations, I think, where where now in the halls of the CIA and the Pentagon, they just wish this thing would go away. You know, [snorts] the truth is not supposed to come out in an operation like this. Whoever did it, it the the result was was a soop to the Ukrainians and the West. and the Germans can't leave well

[53:31] enough alone. And so I think that I think that behind closed doors today, there are probably calls going back and forth to the Germans saying, "Come on, you guys, just let this go. It's not going to help anybody getting to the to the bottom of the truth. >> Why are the Germans I mean, first of all, I guess the question is, do you think the Germans are right?" Um, and and I guess the other question would be two things can both be true at the same time, right? Maybe the Ukrainians partnered up with the US Navy. Maybe Sih

[54:02] is still right, but he only had half the story. >> Half the story, right? And I think that's probably the case. Not to get too far off the subject, but this is the problem. >> Yeah. This is this is the problem with Sai is that he'll run with a story when he has just one source. >> And so often times he does have that kernel of truth for the story. He just doesn't have the details. I think this is probably one of those cases. It very well could have been a joint operation which makes more sense. You'd need that

[54:33] kind of expertise if you don't have it in house. >> Right. Right. And the thing is I mean so what about the legal ramifications? Right. I mean this is a act of economic and ecological terror right in Europe. Right. I mean so can I mean the EU has been doing everything it can to turn a blind eye to all this um for three years. Yeah. But the Germans are like, these German prosecutors are like a dog with a bone and they're not letting it go. Um, you know, where do I mean they at this point they can't let it go. So,

[55:05] what next? >> Well, I think that I think that we're going to see people prosecuted. I think that especially this um this Ukrainian uh this Ukrainian military person that the uh that the Wall Street Journal is reporting on uh they're saying that he's going to be in the dock soon. He's going to be forced to testify whether he likes it or not. And I think I think somebody probably this guy uh is going to go to prison. >> Really?

[55:35] >> I do. >> Even former commander of the Ukrainian armed forces. I mean, he was the he's the Coen Powell of >> Yeah, he's the Coen Powell. But, I mean, he's a nobody now. It's all over for for him. >> Um, we have some breaking news coming out of India. There's been a car bombing >> uh in uh New Delhi uh outside of the Red Fort tourist attraction. If you've ever been there to New >> Delhi, there there are more than two dozen uh injured so far. I haven't seen any number on on deaths, but it's

[56:06] clearly a terrorist attack. the the pictures and video from the Red Fort this morning are are grizzly. >> Care to speculate? >> You know, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was Kashmir separatist groups. Again, I'm going to get death threats from Pakistanis now like I did two or three weeks ago when I say that that that these groups carry out terrorist attacks. Yeah, they carry out terrorist attacks because they're terrorist groups. Whatever your political point is is irrelevant. If you're out there murdering civilians, you're a terrorist.

[56:38] >> That's terrorism. Yeah. For political purposes. That's the definition. >> Political. That's the definition of terrorism. So yeah, I I would I would bet this is probably Kashmir's. >> Well, we'll follow all these stories uh coming up tomorrow. Um as I said, we're here Monday through Friday, 9:00 a.m. Eastern time. We'll be back tomorrow even though it's Veterans Day. Uh so please ch uh catch up with us then. Please like, follow, and share the show whether you're watching live or you're watching on streaming. We really appreciate you. We are back fully funded

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