Title: CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou and High Stakes Treason Author Ian Trottier on criminal John Brennan
Show: Michael Jaco
Date: 2026-02-07
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZj-EtpO1E
Duration: 1:17:34

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[00:11] All right, here we go. Hello everyone. It's Michael Jacob with Unleashing Intuition Secrets of Ian Trotier back again with High Stakes Stakes Treason. Uh and we have another guest, CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou. Is that Or Kiriakou Is that right? >> Kiriakou. Kiriakou. All right, Kiriakou. I've That's a great Greek name. I love it. Uh so we're we're going to let John introduce himself a little bit. He's got a phenomenal background. I worked in the CIA and I I had I think

[00:43] he's an amazing guy from the stuff he's been telling telling me so far. So we're going to talk about uh uh John Brennan and we all have you know dealings with him and we we're going to basically dime him out. So John, give us a little bit of about your background. Sure. I'm John Kiriakou. I spent 15 years at the CIA. The first half of my career in analysis, the second half in counterterrorism operations. I was the chief of counterterrorism operations in Pakistan after 9/11. Finished my career at the UN.

[01:13] And then um blew the whistle on the CIA's torture program which came back to haunt me later. I I went on to be the chief investigator on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Uh but then was arrested um under the Obama administration uh at the at the insistence at the demand of John Brennan. I proudly served 23 months in a federal prison. I would do it again today if I had the opportunity. I have zero remorse.

[01:44] Um I'm glad I did it. John Brennan was a was a criminal. I think we're all going to end up agreeing on that today and somebody had to say something. So um since being released from prison 11 years ago, jeez, I've written nine books. I teach at two universities. I've got some podcasts. I've got a TV show called The Whistleblowers where I talk to other whistleblowers, mostly national security whistleblowers around the world. And I'm happy to join you guys tonight.

[02:16] Yeah, it's great. Ian, give us a little bit of background about your book and again. Yeah, so Michael, appreciate being back on being back on and it's great to be joined by by John. John was a a guest of Discussion of Truth, the podcast I started in Miami back in 2016. Probably back in 2018, John. I I you >> so. And one of the early guests on that podcast and Michael, just so you know, the origin originally I approached Mr. Kiriakou because of his whistleblowing against

[02:49] the waterboarding during the Bush administration and and and those efforts. Now the background regards to how it how how his testimonial and experience ties into High Stakes Treason is as viewers may know by now and certainly the three of us know is that High Stakes Treason lays out a criminal scheme that was conducted by the former head of the CIA while he was serving as a senior advisor on the security under Barack Obama just to fraud the American people and allow terror events to happen on Americans

[03:20] and in the homeland and the NATO ally. That sums up pretty much what what what what transpires and is laid out in High Stakes Treason. Now General Michael Flynn was a initial person that I approached to write the forward to this to this book. John followed that. Flynn's schedule got busy but but John said he'd he'd write the forward. And as we know Roger Stone because of the the kind of the the political awareness that he has over the the past 50 years

[03:53] has written that main forward but just as important are the other two forwards, the one by Brooks Agnew and and former speech writer for Alan Keyes and of course one by John Kiriakou. And we are very fortunate to have Kiriakou with us because because much of the as you you just just heard, much of the the history that John had after he was being he was assaulted and and and blamed for being a criminal and thrown

[04:23] into jail into prison. This had a lot to do with the malfeasance and the character of this this admitted communist John Brennan. So that's what we're going to lay out today, I believe Michael for your viewers is that they understand exactly the impression that this character became the head of the CIA under Barack Obama had on Kiriakou's

[04:53] stalwart career serving the American people. And of course that threads into the contents of of the book. But let me briefly mention Zbigniew Brzezinski because if we go back and John will be familiar with the Analysis Corporation. If we go back to when Mr. Brennan was a student at the University of Texas Austin and he had voted for Gus Hall that communist candidate for for for US presidency was

[05:24] an introduction to Zbigniew Brzezinski around that time. I don't have an exact year that threads in to that of Barack Obama in the early '80s because the three of them seemingly um in in 2008 um in 2008 there was critical information on the passport that was scrubbed by John Brennan. That's the Barack Obama passport between the time that Barack Obama, Michael

[05:56] spent at Occidental College in California and Columbia University Columbia University in New York, he spent over a year in Pakistan. The question is what did he do in Pakistan? Why did he exactly go to Pakistan? And why did John Brennan use the Analysis Corporation and those tools to go in and scrub vital information off of that passport during that time that he had in Pakistan and what were the contents? We still don't know that were on Excuse me, they were on on that passport. So I'll just insert that as we proceed here but that is exactly what what we'll

[06:27] be laying out here during during this conversation. So thanks for having me back on. Yeah, fantastic and you know, for John, I I did a little time in the CIA with >> [clears throat] >> GRS about about 13 years and I spent some time in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan a lot of a lot of time in Pakistan. So very very curious to what your thoughts are on some of those areas and why was Barack Obama in Pakistan for a year? What the heck?

[06:59] I can't even begin to speculate why in the world he would be in Pakistan. Yeah. At a time when we were actively uh arming the Afghan Mujahideen, fighting the Soviets. I mean, it was a legit war zone. There were important things taking place. I can't even begin to speculate what in the world he would have been doing there. Hm. I can tell you a lot about John

[07:30] Brennan though. I mean, the first Let's get into that. But my but the first the first thing that comes to my mind here in regards to Pakistan has exactly to do what you're talking about in the Mujahideen. And and this Let's not forget that that Al-Qaeda and maybe John you can contribute to this a little bit but but Al-Qaeda and maybe Michael you may know this. Al-Qaeda for from my understanding is actually a name of a software a terrorist tracking software. And and and of course it applies to the the terrorist

[08:00] organization itself. So my my question I haven't looked at this I haven't looked into this. My question is perhaps that's somehow and let's not forget that the the Analysis Corporation was created in 1990 as a result of tracking that when Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan tracking and creating that database to track terror terror movement. And so the question in regards to the passport, where's where's where's this overlapping? How does it have to do with Obama's father, right? He was in Kenyan. And he's studying in the US on on that

[08:32] student he was a student visa. How does that have to do even the mother mother threads in. A lot of sources say that she was also used as a CIA asset. Is there somehow an involvement used to cover up kind of the origins of travel of Does it Does it thread in somehow to the the birth certificate controversy at all? That's the question. It's possible, certainly. It's it's possible that that his mother could have been an asset. It's possible that his father and or his stepfather

[09:02] could have been assets. I mean, goodness knows they were they were well placed to be to be assets. Yeah. And and God knows he's never answered those questions. Obama himself. Right. We have we have something interesting developing that Mandelson, Lord Mandelson and not to not to paint too broadly because I think we should zero in with with John Brennan here in this conversation but but Lord Mandelson so so so

[09:32] so so so John Brennan John Brennan has recently testified to members of the UK Parliament. Were you guys aware of that? No. No, that's that's news to me. Yeah, this happened just a couple weeks ago, I believe. I don't have the exact date but he he went over to the UK and we know that Obama has been going back and forth. I don't know if you knew that but Obama has been going back and forth Uh to United Kingdom and and return to the US. But John Brennan went over and testified in regards to

[10:03] surveillance, security to to members of the UK Parliament. Now, after that testimonial, non-related perhaps, but perhaps related was a member of Parliament being resigning for for information that he gave to Epstein. Uh over over a decade over a decade ago. So, there's there's certainly ties. I I don't know any any any ties between Epstein and and

[10:35] and and and John Brennan. I certainly don't >> an indirect one yesterday. You did? I did. Yeah. So, I went I went to the DOJ website yesterday and I searched for uh Well, I searched for a bunch of things. CIA was one of them. And um And one document popped up. And it was an email from Kathryn Ruemmler, who was the uh the uh deputy White House counsel during Obama.

[11:07] And Kathy Ruemmler, who's now the general counsel for Goldman Sachs, she sent a one-line email to Jeffrey Epstein saying this. Here it is. John Brennan gave me the CIA agency medal, the CIA's highest award, this morning. How cool is that? Why in the name of God

[11:37] would John Brennan give the White House counsel the agency's highest honor, which Michael, as you know, is usually given posthumously for people who have given their lives in the line of duty. Yeah. Yeah, I had a couple buddies that did that. Had got that >> Yeah. As did I. Two of my colleagues in CTC, Mike Spann and Helga Boes. Well, wow. >> Both killed in action in Afghanistan. Yep.

[12:08] That's how they got their medals. I don't know why she got her medal, unless Well, you you remember I'm sure the the Tuesday morning kill list meetings that Brennan initiated at the White House during the Obama presidency, where he he would convene this group of people to come together, decide who to kill that that week. The assignments would go out, the teams would fan out around the world. They would kill whoever they were assigned to kill and then come back for the next week's meeting. All I can speculate is that she was the

[12:40] White House representative, cuz there had to be lawyers involved. The CIA general counsel was in on that meeting. And I'm wondering if uh if that's what he did. I don't know. Yeah. >> his hands in in everything, literally everything. I think is is probably my my most succinct point. He had his hands in everything. So, uh tying this together a little bit here. Uh when I was in um Peshawar, uh we were working with a the doctor

[13:11] that would eventually lead us to uh Osama bin Laden. Uh and >> Who's still in prison in Pakistan. >> in prison. Yeah, that's a very good point. So, uh John Brennan, who was like the national security deputy national security advisor during Obama's time frame. Obama was very very uh involved in what we were doing uh during that time frame. They had meetings probably maybe even every day. He was very involved. Uh reminded me of the time when I was in Iraq in the early days where where Bush and Condoleezza Rice

[13:43] were every day, you know, pretty much talking to Ambassador Bremer. So, they were very very involved. And then when we, you know, went in and uh my old team, Red Squadron, went in and got uh Osama bin Laden, uh things things just went off the cliff. I mean, we got like pulled out of there. We got shoved into different places. Had to shut down that base. Uh it was it was crazy all the stuff that was going on during that time frame. Uh and and then we had that that crazy

[14:14] crash of uh SEAL Team Six uh Gold Squadron in Afghanistan. Everybody's still suspect about what happened there. Was that some kind of payback? You know, I don't know. It's crazy crazy time. So, uh Brennan uh had been involved in all this stuff. Uh so, what were your What are you guys' thoughts? Yeah, go ahead, John. Man, where do we even begin? Um you know what? Let me let me let me begin by laying a little bit of um

[14:46] of background. So, I first met John Brennan in January of 1990. He was a GS-15 nobody. Uh he was the deputy group chief um in the Office of Near Eastern and South Asian analysis. He was the deputy chief of the Arab-Israeli analysis group. Big deal. He worked for a woman named Martha Kessler. Martha was was absolutely brilliant. She was She

[15:18] was arguably the country's leading thinker on Syria. And she wrote a book that was so highly regarded that it was it was mandatory reading for all of us as we entered the office. You know, when you were first assigned in that office, it was called Syria: Fragile Mosaic of Power by Martha Kessler. Martha didn't like John. He had been imposed on her as as her deputy. And one day she he went to her and he said, "I've been in this job for a long time.

[15:49] I think I'm ready for promotion to the senior intelligence service. And I want your blessing." And she said, "Not only will you never be promoted into the senior intelligence service. I don't even want you working for me anymore. You're fired." Well, at the CIA, as you well know, you can't really fire fire someone. When you fire someone, you give them 6 weeks to walk the halls and find a an onward assignment. And if they can't find an

[16:20] onward assignment after 6 weeks, then they their badge is taken, they're escorted out, and that's the end of it. Well, the the normal job turnover is in the summer, right? That's when everybody's moving from one job to the other. This was Christmas 1990 six. And um there were no jobs. So, he's walking the halls. He finally finds a job in the PDB staff, the President's Daily Brief, giving a briefing

[16:53] to the lowest-ranking person entitled to receive one. Or 94, 96, 94, I can't remember anymore. The that person happened to be the director of intelligence programs at the NSA. His name was George Tenet. And so, they immediately hit it off, cuz they're both, you know, alpha dogs, ugly, pockmarked faces, chomping on cigars, cheating on their wives.

[17:23] They immediately hit it off. And George had just had a heart attack. He was barely into his 40s. And so, he wasn't supposed to smoke. So, after Brennan would brief him, they would walk to this little kiosk that used to stand on the corner of 17th Pennsylvania Avenue, 17th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest across from the White House. And they'd buy a cigar, and they'd stand there and smoke cigars. Well, George becomes the deputy director of the CIA. And

[17:53] he brings John with him and makes him deputy director of the Office of Near Eastern and South Asian analysis. Now, he's Martha Kessler's boss. And he calls her in on his first day and he says, "Now, you're fired." And so, she elected to retire. Um he was only in that job briefly, because there was a realignment and he ended up being named station chief in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Now, this is a guy who had who had already done 20 or 22

[18:25] years solely in analysis. He had never ever served overseas in an operational position. He had never recruited a spy to steal a secret. He had never met with a recruited asset. Never. But he's the station chief in Riyadh, where we know he oversaw the issuance of visas that should never have been issued. He went back to the CIA after And you know, that's that's normally a 2-year tour with the option to extend for a third. Well, he extended for a fourth,

[18:55] and he extended for a fifth, and then went back to headquarters as the deputy executive director of the CIA. The fourth-ranking officer in the CIA. Now, he's everybody's boss. And um he very much wanted to become the deputy director for operations. Jim Pavitt was the deputy director for operations at the time, and they hated each other. And Pavitt had more wasta than Brennan did. And so, Brennan went to what was briefly called the TTIC, the

[19:27] Transnational Terrorist Information Center. He He wanted so badly to to run his own agency, any agency of any size. Because what he really wanted, and he wasn't ashamed to say it out loud, he really wanted to be Secretary of Defense. And so, he took this position at the TTIC. Later, it changed its name to the national counterterrorism center. And then um And then he decided to retire.

[20:00] Well, in 2007, there was a huge wave of retirements from the senior intelligence service uh because 9/11 was 6 years behind us. People are starting to wind their careers down. It's time to go. Well, you figure there were 100 150 SISers that retired. Half of them went to the John McCain campaign and half of them went to the Hillary Clinton campaign and John Brennan was the only one that went to

[20:30] the Barack Obama campaign. Wow. >> And then lo and behold, Obama wins the nomination. So So, Brennan was the guy. You might recall that as soon as Obama won in 2009, he named Brennan as the CIA director. Yeah. And the liberals went crazy. How people have forgotten that John Brennan was one of the the fathers, one of the creators of the torture program, which is why he was denied that job as CIA director from

[21:02] 2009 to to 2000, you know, 13, January of 2013. It's a mystery to me how people don't remember that. But progressive stood up and said, "Absolutely not." And so, he pulled him back, made him deputy national security advisor for counterterrorism. By 20 By the 2012 election, everybody had forgotten what a bad guy he was. And so, when Obama nominated him nominated him for CIA director, nobody said a word. And then the rest is history.

[21:33] Wow. Who's there? So, the Abu Ghraib Ghraib was where they had the the the waterboarding. I I I'm assuming >> no. Well well before Abu Ghraib, 3 years before Ghraib, the the agency was waterboarding people at at the six secret sites. See Yeah, I I heard that. >> the world. Some of them were still have been were active quite some time, but that's that's interesting. I when I was in the military, I I went through escape evasion training and

[22:05] I got waterboarded. It's not fun. And it's it's pretty pretty horrific. And I was doing pretty good at it. They couldn't make me talk and there's they told me you better start screaming or we're going to make it really bad for you. And I I figured they probably could. Uh because you know, the the angle is not going to get into you. And I was used to you know, breathing leaky water you know, regulators and so forth. So, uh but yeah, that would be I watched other people get on that and it was horrific to watch you know, what

[22:36] happened to them. And that was controlled We were had a controlled environment. I'm sure the guys who were being tortured not so much. Wow. >> each other in training and it was miserable. Yeah, yeah. Awful. Not not Yeah, not not something that we should be doing. Yeah, so I'm glad you you pushed against that. So, yeah, you you you got the experience and you're like, yeah, this is this is BS that we're doing this. >> Yeah, this is not this is not legal. That was the first thing in my mind. This is not legal. And and we did things I don't want to get too far afield, but

[23:08] we did things that in my view were were way worse than waterboarding. You know, not just things like sleep sleep deprivation and cold cell. I mean, we killed people with those with those techniques. But there were things that were never approved by the Justice Department that we did with the idea being, "Who's going to tell?" Wow. You know? Yeah. The thing was so highly compartmentalized. They didn't think anybody would ever talk. Yeah.

[23:38] So So, back to you know, John Brennan and Obama, I just pulled up this one little article where it talks about Obama being there in 81. He didn't mention it anywhere else and then he was like a press conference, he just kind of said it and then they started doing the investigative work on that. So, that's that's interesting that he spent some time there and then he was involved in you know, finding Osama bin Laden. I think we knew he was there for a while.

[24:10] And they they decided, okay, let's let's cut him. And so, I don't know what are your guys' thoughts. Yeah, go ahead, John. I I think that's right. I think that's right. Or at least we had strong suspicions. But you know what? Then I'm I'm going to get a little bit off topic here. You you raised the the issue of the doctor. Uh the the doctor that helped us locate Osama bin Laden. >> When I was on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff uh in 2009,

[24:41] um I did a lot of travel in that job. And uh John Kerry I I was working for John Kerry at the time. He was the chairman of the committee. John Kerry asked me what I wanted to do in terms of um investigations. And I said, "Listen, I I everybody knew that the only thing John Kerry wanted in life was to be Secretary of State. So, I said, "Listen, I think we I think we've got a a real hook for something great here." I told him about the doctor. I said, "This guy is is a hero.

[25:12] He's a hero. He handed us Osama bin Laden. And the Pakistanis have him locked up on a treason charge now. He's going to die in some dank Pakistani dungeon." Yeah. I said, "Let's go to Islamabad. And let's bring him back with us. I said, "You'll be a national hero." He says, "Write me up a memo." So, I wrote him a memo. This is who the guy is. This is what he did. This is what we should do. There's no downside to this. The Pakistanis are would be

[25:44] happy to just be rid of him. He's an American hero. Bring him back here and you know, you can get the presidential medal for him or whatever. And then Kerry comes back cuz he had obviously had called the White House including Brennan. Well, it's so controversial. I don't know. We don't want to make the Pakistanis angry and what if we show up and and they say, "No, we can't do it." I was like, "Are you serious?"

[26:14] And so, we never went to Pakistan at all. I I did a different investigation. I took different trips. But he just didn't want to do the right thing at all because John Brennan told him no. Yeah, and [clears throat] I'll weigh in a little bit on that. I I worked I worked with the doc. He's a really really good man. Uh and uh and we told him once once he once we do this, you need to leave. And he's he's like, "No, I'm

[26:44] going to be a hero in [clears throat] my country." And uh that didn't work out so good for him. Like you're talking about. Now uh I remember President I believe President Trump in his in his first time in office, he was he was basically threatening the Pakistanis uh saying he was going to cut off aid unless they released him. I don't know. I might be a little off on that, but they just went to China and got aid. It's like, yeah, we'll just go somewhere else and get it. And it didn't work out. So, it's And Trump was was sure that it would happen. And of course,

[27:15] as John, you and I know the Pakistanis there, you can't you can't guess what they're going to do. So, they're they're very unpredictable. >> Yeah. Let me let me mention the TTIC, which which John was was talking about in regards to kind of the power consortium that that John Brennan was able to create for for himself. Now, this is after 9/11 and the Bush had an executive order that the TTIC was was created, but page 112 in High Stakes Treason goes into and this is a direct quote from

[27:46] John Brennan. It gives gives uh uh viewers an an an understanding of the and I mentioned in the book CT Intel monopoly. That means a counterterrorism intelligence monopoly is what John Brennan was able to create for himself from the TTIC, which John had mentioned became known as the the NCTC, National Counterterrorism Center. But at the TTIC, Brennan is stated as saying this, "The idea that behind the TTIC,"

[28:17] as I'm reading a quote, "was that we needed to have some place in the government where all counterterrorism information would reside." The good news and the bad news is that the TTIC had more access to more information than anywhere in the government. And that was what John Brennan had at his fingertips. And that is exactly how we allege he was able to commit these crimes. And this is why we use the word treason because he enriched himself in

[28:48] retaining stock ownership illegally under the Obama administration of this company called The Analysis Corporation, which changed its names and then got sold to UK financial investment firm based in Hong Kong domiciled in Hong Kong CCP. Um and of course, he allowed these these these terror attacks to to transpire. Now, my question might be for for John is what thoughts went through your mind, John, when you came across

[29:18] the information in the book. And since you and I have spoken last, not sure if you've had a chance to go through it a little bit more or not. But understanding the contents laid out in regards to the Boston Marathon bombing, the the Abdulmutallab Mutallab bombing attempt on that flight leaving Amsterdam for Detroit 2009. And of course, that attack on the airline This this is exactly what the power of your book is. Um I I've known John Brennan for 35 years.

[29:53] I thought I knew that he was bad guy. I had no idea the depth of his depravity, the lengths that he would go to to enrich himself the people whose lives he would ruin in order to keep himself at the top of the heap until I read that book. I agree. >> Until I read that book. Mhm. Listen, there are a lot of bad guys in government. We've all encountered them. This is somebody

[30:25] whose dirty deeds are of epic proportions. And I can't help but to think that there are so many crimes documented in the book that there's got to be something in there for which the statute of limitations hasn't expired. Absolutely. >> and you and I have talked about this, Ian. Yeah. Or Brennan's ongoing work to keep his crimes a secret

[30:57] could constitute an ongoing conspiracy. Yes. >> Which means that the statute of limitations would reset itself every day. Yeah. What do you say about that? >> a I'm not a constitutional scholar, but this is worth seeking one out. And and like you pointed out, Ian, and John, like you described, you know, in the early like in the mid-90s or so, there was nothing going on. And you know, pretty much they created something and

[31:27] then we're all involved in this and there's lots of money that's involved in this and you know, you really outlined a lot of this exceptionally well. Uh so I I looked up the the 2-minute promise during two during our President Trump's 2016 campaign. Trump stated he would get Pakistan to release Dr. Afridi within 2 minutes of taking office arguing that the US gives Pakistan substantial aid and unfortunately the historical aspect of that is that he is still in prison.

[31:59] Very very tragic and very You know, the guy guy's a hero here in America. He should be walking He should getting that $50 million you know, money. I don't know. Maybe they decided to keep it. They let him have him so they could keep the money. That's that's crazy. Yeah, there's a there's a and not to not to forget if if folks heard the first interview that that that Michael and I had and Edward Snowden here and the whistleblowing he did on the NSA is critical in understanding and then I know Fox News right now has I'm not sure

[32:30] who produced that, but it's is he a patriot or is he a traitor? As far as I'm concerned, Edward Snowden be a patriot. This is my personal gut feeling based upon what we know through XKEYSCORE and what was revealed through that and that Anders Breivik um googling This is public search. Googling how to prepare bombs, create bombs, ingredients for bombs. This is all public knowledge that John Brennan would have had and as we allege, he he hid in coded compartments using his unwitting analyst Michael Jones. Now, since also

[33:00] since the last time we've spoken, Michael, I've introduced my intelligence source because yes, I've authored the material. Yes, I've added to it, but this this all came to me on a binder and forgive my lighting uh folks, I can see it's pretty dark there. I I don't have the best lighting. I've got a bum ankle at the moment, so just bear with me on that, but um I was given a binder at that 2024 CPAC. That's where that that was the that was the incubator that created this book, High Stakes Treason. And and and and and that came from Intel

[33:31] source. That came from an American hero such as the man that is joining us today. Both of you, of course. Thank you for your service. Both of you. But but but the one can concerning High Stakes Treason would be Mr. John Donovan and and Michael, since you and I spoke last, I got Donovan on the phone with with Keriakos. So they have now they have now connected because in the shadows, if you will, in the background, it was Mr. Donovan being tipped off to the malfeasance of John Brennan back in 2011 when he was working with the

[34:03] private contractor Sci Veyance. And and and he got fired. He got fired He got fired by Sci Veyance because he tipped off the FBI, his former employer who'd spent over a decade with in in the Washington DC field office. Sci Veyance fired him for tipping off the FBI, which did nothing, of course, on this on this on this criminality of Brennan back in 2011. So so so there's that connection that's been made and it's critical for you to understand that, Michael, as well. But if we fast forward a little bit, I want to get into this little bit. If we fast

[34:33] forward, Patrick Byrne, if anyone's been following Patrick Byrne, Svetlana Lokhova is somebody that I've tried to reach out to because she's tweeting about John Brennan daily. Now, she was smeared out of Cambridge with uh Stephen Halper, uh John and another guy named Sir Richard Dearlove. Um that was the Russian collusion uh with with General Michael Flynn. Svetlana and Flynn supposedly had unnecessary relations, inappropriate relations. That was because Flynn Flynn

[35:03] was caught in that because he was communicating with Moscow at the time. That all comes back to what's called Hamilton 68 dashboard, which is new since the last time you and I spoke, Michael. Hamilton 68 dashboard was was it was a tech facade created for to create Russian bots on Twitter. And that was supposedly what was pumping up Trump and helped steal the election for Trump in 2016. This is this is what John Brennan was driving home with the

[35:35] Steele dossier. Okay? And and that set a precedent and as the two of you know, I spent a week and a half in DC back in October passing out 100 copies of this book to various offices of both the the House and the Senate. I had a few different meetings and and and if anybody seen that viral clip with Nancy Pelosi where she's scolding She told this Lindell TV reporter to shut up. That was literally That was like 10 minutes after I walked past her in the hall out of Harriet Hagman's office with John Donovan. And I handed I handed her office a copy.

[36:06] I'd given her office her office a copy. I didn't hand it to Nancy, but I gave her a copy of this book. So we have this we have this John Brennan narrative that I think is also critical to understand. Why would he Why would he What would give him motive? And this is what I've told the staffers of Congress. What would give him motive to drive that Steele dossier? Well, the contents in High Stakes Treason. The fact that he's committed very serious financial crimes. He's committed very serious alleged treasonous crimes on the American people. The contents in High Stakes Treason is why he would have

[36:37] orchestrated and spearheaded the the Russian collusion efforts to keep to to try to try to smear Donald Trump. And of course what we know and I'll tie this in real quickly give give you guys a chance to talk. Tie this in real quickly because in 2020, that election we know was stolen flat out. That's it was stolen. John Brennan, it's something I've told Michael, it's something I've told John recently. And I don't know if you looked at it at all more, John, but but John Brennan created a data center in Belgrade,

[37:09] Serbia with Huawei, the Chinese software company. And that data center was used to manipulate Dominion servers to rig and adjust the results of that 2020 election. Now, why is it important that Maduro was was arrested and captured now in US custody? Because that is how he retained power was through the invention of Smartmatic, which he which he created out from Hugo Chavez. This Smartmatic was a Venezuelan voter fraud voting system to to to basically

[37:41] implement and place a communist leader into offices. This is how Maduro was captured. This is unfortunately why Tina Peters Peters is locked up in in in Colorado. And that is in my view, it's not oil. Yeah, it's part of it. The drug trading, trend Delaware, are all part of it, but the main critical point in capturing Maduro was was was was was was to get at hopefully what seems to be oncoming testimony in regards to the Dominion voter fraud. And so John Brennan, as we as we listen

[38:12] to this and he's now 70, John Brennan is critical. He's a critical piece to this to this to this voter fraud and this is the other side to the coin outside of the book. But if we go back again, what would give him incentive? In from my argument, non-legal opinion, what would give him incentive to drive that Steele dossier and and fabrication? Well, because he's got he's got he's got a demons in his closet and and they're very serious. Mhm. Yeah, you know, and

[38:43] a lot of other points in your book. One of the two really stood out to me was like you just said earlier, uh Brennan had control over everything in intelligence. And he kept that uh from the FBI and they could have stopped 9/11. And I was like, what? I was like, wow. And and probably for profit, probably for, you know, not just for himself, but of course, but uh for the military industrial complex. Who knows? Maybe that's who was controlling him and

[39:15] putting putting him in these positions along with Obama. Yeah, and and and on that note there, Michael, which is very interesting and John's already mentioned the George Tenet aspect. And of course, both of you have worked in the CIA, you would know the machinations inside the CIA far better than I would. But one of the things that came to my came to my attention was a testimonial back in 2004 and I think it was Cynthia McKinney, a guy named Michael Springmann who was a State Department worker that was working in Jeddah. He stated This is two decades ago. He was stating he returned to the US and he says, "Wait a second, I get to Jeddah and 80 or 90% of

[39:47] the people are CIA. You know, there's only three State Department at this embassy, only State Department people." What he later says in that testimonial, and Mike Benz has reported on this, is that under the John Brennan jurisdiction, 15 15 of the 19 9/11 hijacker visas came out of that John Brennan jurisdiction in Saudi Arabia. Exactly. Wow. Unbelievable. Yeah. So So this is So this this then this then again and and remember that

[40:18] key phrase for viewers is counterterrorism intel monopoly. That is the allegation that John Brennan created for himself to hide this critical information in what were called covert compartments. So the question then becomes is what did George Tenet know, as you alluded to, Mike uh Michael, what did George Tenet know prior to the 9/11 attack? Well, we know is that information was sequestered, vital information was sequestered, just as in that Boston Marathon bombing uh regarding the Tsarnaev brothers and where they were and where their

[40:48] whereabouts were. Uh vital information was was was hidden from uh critical intelligence people, honest intelligent people, patriotic intelligent people uh that could have very well prevented um prevented those attacks. So although we although we we analyzed a three of three of those three attacks, two domestically, one on a NATO ally, um my next my next move is to get in a little bit more to to to as you talk about uh is is uh is 9/11. Um but uh anyway, so that's that's kind

[41:19] of the current thought thoughts I have. John. Yeah. I >> [laughter] >> I mean and we've we've lost you in the darkness. Yeah, I apologize. I as as we're talking, I'm re-scanning a copy of the book and there's just so much it You know what? Let's let's let's talk about it this way, too. Let's say you are

[41:49] you are a member of the political left. Okay? Yeah. I don't I'm not talking about a DNC Democrat, an MSNBC Democrat. I'm talking about somebody who's truly from the political left. Somebody from the political left should be as outraged as we are that any of this has taken place in the first place. Right? >> Yeah, that's absolutely right. Look, in my view, and this is why this is why I mentioned very earlier Zbigniew Brzezinski. Pardon me. Zbigniew

[42:20] Brzezinski. Uh this is a What is he Secretary of State? Was Is that right under under >> No, he was uh National Security Advisor under Jimmy Carter. National Security Advisor under Carter. Um yeah, this is this is an apparatus as as we as we as we as we kind of analyze, right, the movement of where the country has gone the last let's just say after World War II because that was a very critical juncture on the uh on the global landscape of how uh just how the world operates. Um if if if we're looking at that broader spectrum, we're looking at the red wave, McCarthyism, and and we know that

[42:50] communism has lurked in the background. Oh, we're seeing it we're seeing it in our face now. It's been We're being slapped around with it now. With Mondaire, right? This guy getting uh the the the knife being pulled on an NYPD officer NYPD NYPD officer pulls the trigger on the gun um and and Mondaire's calling for no charges. I mean, are you kidding me? And you've got yeah in Minneapolis this these ridiculous people uh that are saying, "No, we don't want you want ICE out." Wait a second, ICE is there to attack criminals that came in under, you know, these open border policies that

[43:21] invaded our country. Um yet you know, the the very uh liberal-leaning uh people in Minneapolis are are calling it an ICE invasion and the you know, Nazis and whatnot. I mean, this is this is all these are all socialist tactics, communist tactics that that we are now in in Seattle Seattle's got a mayor that's an open socialist uh that are that are that are again, I'll use this phrase, slapping us now in the face. So they have lurked in the background being the communist movement. Again, remember John Brennan voting for the communist candidate for mayor and

[43:52] president 1976, Gus Hall. Um in my view, uh John Brennan, I've never met him and I've and I've and I've asked him to comment on the book, he hasn't commented on the book. I've tagged him on a number of posts on Twitter, he hasn't hasn't commented. The Daily Mail tried to reach out to him and uh he didn't respond. Uh and and that's actually why the Daily Mail told me they couldn't release the article. Um the the the reporter spent 3 days working on it. Um uh but uh but but but my my my my guess, guys, my guess is that uh the deep state, as we as as we work as Americans, as patriots, as

[44:23] constitutional Republicans, whether we're Democrats or not, we're all constitutional Republicans, we live in a constitutional republic. That's what I mean by that. Um uh we all look we all we all uh strive, I think, anyway, at least the three of us do, in chipping away and understanding at what that deep state is. And that is why I mentioned Lord Mandelson because there's a lot of ties here to to the UK. US and UK intelligence share share share share a lot of ties. And this is why I also mentioned uh Stephen Halper, who's a CIA asset uh that worked uh at with

[44:56] Cambridge University and and their their surveillance programs uh that created that Steele dossier. Let's not forget the Steele dossier. Uh Christopher Steele was a former former and UK intelligence asset, right? So we're you know, we're we're we're we're trying to keep a president out of office based off of a foreign uh intelligence uh uh report or dossier. Um so as we chip away to understand what that what that uh what that what that deep state is, I believe that this John Brennan uh person

[45:26] was used as uh and I'll phrase it as a penetration agent. Uh a com- You know, he was a communist sympathizer and I think he was probably used uh to lay down certain structure in the intelligence community that would benefit that uh that outside uh deep state um uh organization. Just my thought there. That's just my thought. But again, looking through the contents of High Stakes Treason, looking through that it gives a re- gives the reader a full understanding of how this

[45:59] mind worked um how this mind worked to build this intelligence monopoly um to hide the information uh from the American people, from critical intelligence operatives within our own uh uh agencies, um and and allow uh basically what looks like the deep state to get away with um their objectives. And I'll identify two of them uh that people should be considering uh that are watching this. One, of

[46:30] course, are our First Amendment rights. Uh those different freedoms are always under attack. Uh but if we look at the history of Mao Zedong and what happened in China, we look at Stalin, uh if we're looking at Hitler, we're looking at these different socialist uh sympathizers that rose to power over over the past century, uh what were what was the common thread? And this directs right back uh to uh and I don't know the history of Zbigniew Brzezinski enough, but it certainly goes back to the philos- political philosophies of of Barack Obama. Um this goes right back to you've got to disarm

[47:02] you've got to disarm the people, right? In order to objectively gain complete and total control, uh you've got to disarm that those people. And that's exactly what happened uh uh in China over the over the decades of Mao Mao Zedong's uh uh rule. Is I think he's uh some of the statist- statistics I've seen is that he uh he slaughtered 60 million Chinese over his efforts to confiscate private ownership of guns. Um so uh you know, it's not that I'm uh suggesting any type of violence. Nobody wants violence and that's not something

[47:32] I anyone as well. But an objective here under the Obama administration using a man like a John Brennan, a communist sympathizer, would be efforts to chip away at those Second Amendment rights in in my view. >> [clears throat] >> Now, as far as like the uh the communist aspect of it, you know, you mentioned Mondaire and Danny uh and of course Brennan. Uh there's in the Epstein files, there's uh they just came out where Mondaire Danny's mom is with and with him as a

[48:05] baby is with Clinton and Epstein. And some people are saying that uh Epstein is Mondaire Danny's father. And uh so how did Mondaire Danny, who came from nowhere, no background, get all the way to the mayor of, you know, one of the most prestigious and up upstanding cities in America, New York? No, he he didn't he didn't have no background. He had he was a uh he was a city councilman and um and a

[48:35] member of the New York State Legislature. So he did have a little bit of background. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. But what what else is interesting here and I'll just I'll just kind of throw this out for you you guys to to react uh in in a way you might possibly have. And and Michael, I have seen those photos. I haven't confirmed them uh that that that Mondaire Danny's mother, and let's not forget that Mondaire Danny, I believe he's born in uh Uganda, uh um that she she was hobnobbing. I think

[49:06] there's one right there, Myra Herr. I don't know I haven't confirmed that they're it does or accurate or not with Epstein uh and that he would have been introduced uh Mondaire Danny would have been introduced to uh to Epstein and or if Epstein was was the father. I haven't confirmed any of those, but I have seen uh I have seen photos that show that Mondaire Danny's wife or mother allegedly was with was with Epstein. But something interesting is this, as we look at dominoes that may may fall. Uh and John, I know some of the people that you're you're you're talking to uh right now. As we look at dominoes that

[49:37] that that that fall as what caught my interest in my interest in and Chris Paronto if either of you familiar with him, he's a former guest on my podcast and he was directly involved in that Benghazi massacre where Stevens was was killed. You know, this is this is under Hillary Clinton's time. As I think it was the Secretary of State, right? If I've got that right. Um it was interesting how this gentleman and I don't know the name right now, but this gentleman So just a few days ago, right? And again, we're looking at

[50:07] dominoes falling and how things might happen on a global stage. A few days ago the Clintons They agreed to be to to to be in that deposition. Uh with Comer led by Comer. And lo and behold now what 24 48 hours later, the Patel is now arrested and Bondi the DOJ has arrested this guy regard in regard to that Benghazi

[50:38] fiasco. So the question I might have and I'll pose it to both you guys cuz you have intel minds that I don't have. Um the question I might have is what did the Clinton what did the Clintons know about Benghazi? It may not relate to Epstein at all or it may relate to Epstein. I don't know. I do know this which is very interesting I'll mention that. When I was in New York last and John if you remember the panel discussion that we had by by my literary agent Doug Doug. Um after that I walked I walked down the

[51:08] east side with the gentleman who had walked me right past Epstein's house. I'd never seen it before. And he says he says this is this is the the Epstein mansion and Harrison and it just so happens to be like a block away from where the Council on Foreign Relations offices. I don't know if you looked at the Council on Foreign Relations at all what that is what that has been historically set up basically by JP Morgan and and and the Rothschild. Uh but but if we go we go back to this gentleman that has been arrested in Benghazi, does that correlate and could that correlate not to get away from John

[51:39] Brennan, but could that correlate to what the Clintons might be might be let's just say hiding from the American people. And more importantly Hillary Clinton. No, Hillary Clinton testified for 14 hours about Benghazi. And um and both Obama and Trump one ordered all the Benghazi documents to be declassified. They're all they're all out there. I think Benghazi's over and done with. It's great that we caught this Bactush or whatever his name is today. He's he's

[52:11] the third of the six primary perpetrators of of the the murders at Benghazi. I think there are 18 or 19 people altogether who have been indicted. But uh yeah, he he landed at Andrews Air Force Base at 3:00 this morning. He's in the Alexandria federal federal holding right now. Yeah. He's never going to see the light of day. Mhm. And and we're not done hunting those the rest of them down. I see. And gentlemen, you have to

[52:42] forgive me. I have I have another uh another podcast in less than 1 minute. So I have >> Okay, you got to go. I apologize. No worries. Thanks, John. >> Thanks for the conversation. Yeah. So Ian, it's you know, I I was there in Benghazi shortly after that attack and uh it was it was pretty bad because you know, two of my buddies were were killed

[53:12] in the mortar that landed on the roof. Uh and I got you know, some of their body armor that was bloody and all that kind of stuff and got it got it back to some certain people. But I I didn't feel that Hillary Clinton herself was culpable other than you know, maybe they could have allowed you know, some like the Marines or the Marines are on standby in that area in the Mediterranean. There's jets that

[53:43] could have came in all kind of crazy stuff uh and they they they basically shut them down. Uh that's the story that I got. So they could have come in and made a difference and the guys that were there at that base you know, fought fought off guys that were trying to attack them for a long time. Uh and and then they got martyred. So I think there's there's probably you could probably find some problems with them and they wanted to cover it up so that Obama could get reelected. That's my thoughts.

[54:14] Uh there there's probably some stuff that could come out and make them not look as good. Uh but as far as like you know, direct culpability, I don't think there's anything there. I don't I don't think she's going to get you know, like John said, she testified for you know, a long time and uh and you know, she made that that very very bad statement was like why why does anyone care now? You know, it's like it's like really? So it's it's they're just bad people, you know,

[54:46] all the way around. Of course, they they started all of that in Egypt with the with the was it Muslim Brotherhood that was in Egypt? Uh that they were basically you know, backing and took over Egypt. You remember? Yeah, I don't recall. So maybe not the Muslim Brotherhood, but whatever sect that was there in Egypt that took over they were behind that and then the the

[55:18] Egyptians basically kicked kicked them out after after a year. So there's there's they they were messing around in you know, the Middle East quite a bit and causing a lot of problems. The the Iran you know, thing there there I guess Obama was like you know, everybody should you know, revolt and and that's what happened with you know, Benghazi and everything and that we're we're going to see I think a big push back at some point that they were involved in some stuff that I mean

[55:48] you're you're in your high stakes trees and you're you know, bringing out all kind of great stuff. But we'll probably see Obama you know, tied in with Brennan as well on a on a on a level that's treasonous. What are your thoughts? Oh, my my thoughts are absolutely. There's there's there's there's there's there's an overlaying to me it's like there's an overlaying theme of um we go from Clintons to Bushes

[56:18] then Obama and then it's like you know, all all of those uh factions they were so opposed, right? They were just so opposed to to Donald Trump. He's a complete outsider. He's going to expose, right? He's going to expose the criminality is going to spread expose the scheme that's being the the wool. He's going to pull the wool uh off from the Americans Americans eyes. I mean and that's basically how he's been treated. He's been a complete outsider and and he's you know, he's he's he's a

[56:50] warrior in there trying to get trying to trying to get things done. But of course, you've got this this theme of okay, how far how do these connections go? As certainly Epstein you don't have any involvement doesn't look like any involvement with Obama in the Epstein in Epstein, but um in having John said he'd come across that connection with Brennan and that in Epstein, but he didn't really go into that much. Um uh my my guess is Michael my guess is this this book uh because of the

[57:21] contents of it because it exposes this manipulation of critical national intelligence uh by a very trusted uh leader for the country. Um that as as it continues to circulate um that that it will have some very uh devastating effects I believe on on this kind of deep state uh mechanism that has strangled strangled

[57:55] uh the life of of of the constitutional republic of the country. And and that's certainly my goal is that if anyone has committed crimes uh that they be held accountable for the crimes. It's you know, it's not that I have a it's not that I have a target uh to go after John Brennan because you know, I I don't like him as a person or he crossed me wrong or I worked for him and he didn't treat me well. I I I never met him. I've never spoken to him. I'm not that frankly I have

[58:26] nothing nothing against the guy. Um but the information that was presented towards me shows me from my vetting that he has committed treasonous crimes on on the country and he needs to be brought to justice for those crimes or at least a courtroom needs to be needs to be analyzing them and and he needs to be testifying in regards to the contents. So I have since you and I spoke last an update here as I have spoken through a text with Mike Davis. He's

[58:59] head of Article 3 Project in in Washington D.C. He's also working right now with Jason Kinyones who's I believe the lead attorney for that South Florida subpoena of Jim Jordan that Jim Jordan letter that came that went to the DOJ requesting he be subpoenaed. And so now he's his lawyers are working. They're trying to change change the jurisdiction. Brennan hasn't been in the in in the news for a couple of weeks now, but my understanding is his lawyers have been trying to change that jurisdiction. That's Fort Fort Pierce

[59:30] court uh, Judge Cannon. The same judge, by the way, that, uh, that, that, that, that just sentenced uh, Ryan Rout and interesting thing that that I'll also mention, I don't know how much time you got left here, but the interesting thing, Michael, that that has, uh, come, uh, my way is a Mike Benz, uh, report back in August. And he compared, uh, Ryan Rout, who he claims and shows that he Rout was a CIA asset, uh, recruiting Pakistani and Iranian, uh,

[1:00:00] men to join and fight in Ukraine. And, um, and he was asking for passports, okay, bring up passports again, asking for passports so he could submit, administer, uh, visas, uh, get visas authorized for these people to go and fight in Ukraine. Well, this is the same act that the CIA was doing, uh, in the early 2000s, uh, or or late 19, 1990s, uh, to get those, uh, 15 hijackers, uh, in into the US. Um,

[1:00:30] I mean, it's it's it's This is pretty critical, right? This is pretty critical information. And again, that's testimony. Not my testimony, it's testimony from this, uh, former State Department worker, Michael Springmann. So, I think as this, as the contents of this book circulate and push, and hopefully Mike Davis gets involved with it, perhaps, uh, hopefully Mr. John Brennan uh, gets back in a courtroom and he's not only subpoenaed for the lies that he gave, uh, the perjury, um, uh, indicted, I would say, uh, at that point, hopefully, uh, for the perjury charges against him,

[1:01:01] uh, that I would assume should be coming down uh, to Congress, but that he be questioned questioned regarding the contents of this book because this is what's plain as day, Michael. This is what's plain as day. Is that in SEC documents we show this. In what's called the ethics waiver. And nothing in this book is classified. This is all, uh, open sourced. It's all, uh, public information. It's just that it was aggregated by the appropriate source to be able to combine it and it's been delivered to the to the to the public and in the masses through me. Um, is that, uh, is that that nine 2009 ethics

[1:01:33] waiver by Norm Eisen. We see very clearly, uh, the Rachel Maddow, uh, who's the office ethics office officer, she writes on that ethics waiver that John Brennan has stated that he would be converting those stocks held in the analysis corporation into a four, uh, into an IRA. If I were to held in a 401k, it'd be converted in an IRA. We see through subsequent SEC documents, uh, we have some of them listed in the appendix, uh, in that book, that, uh, he never converted the that the those stocks into the IRA. Had he converted

[1:02:04] them, that they would have been liquidated, uh, worth then about $50,000. Um, he didn't convert them and, uh, it rose to when the when when when that company sold, it rose to a value of as we estimate just shy of $5 million. And that is just one example of the illegally illegally held stocks. And this is going to be irrefutable. It's going to be impossible, from my vetting, it's going to be impossible for him to, uh, refute that. Uh, we have we have we have it laid out in the book. Um, these are massive crimes this man has

[1:02:35] committed, financial crimes. Um, and the other crimes, uh, are are something else, uh, but, uh, but potentially this individual, uh, could be facing, uh, many years, uh, of justice. Uh, and it's it's only my job again to, uh, to to to educate the American people to do that. And again, what I will say, Michael, is we we've got it We've all got to go through the contents of the book. Uh, we've all got to study it. We've all got to read it. Got to get our neighbors talking about it. Buy buy a copy for for your

[1:03:06] co-worker, um, and don't let it stop there. Demand demand that this man be held accountable for the criminality. Um, cuz if we don't all contact, that means contacting the DOJ. That means contacting your senator. Contacting your rep. Um, uh, demanding that this this person be held accountable for the crimes. And if we don't all do that, then, uh, you know, it's it comes back to to people like me, the author, people like you, uh, people like John, um, and and we can't rely on just us. It It needs It

[1:03:38] needs more people. Now, I know that John, um, because he's been very outspoken recently, uh, of how he was treated, um, he's he's spoken to some some pretty, uh, high level folks recently. Whether he's shared that with you or not, um, uh, just out of confidentiality with John and information he's passed along to me, um, he didn't go into it with in this in this episode. Um, and that was maybe a personal decision or maybe because he wasn't asked the question, I don't know, but in confidentiality I won't go into it, but I know that he's spoken with some pretty high level folks recently. Um,

[1:04:08] yeah, I mean, we we we keep pushing and and and and we keep making strides. But for viewers out there and listeners, and Michael, what I will say is this, after the last time you and I spoke, uh, couple days later I get a text from Roger Stone. Uh, and Roger Stone says, "Hey, uh, people have been contacting me because they saw the Michael Jaco interview. Great interview." >> [laughter] >> Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I I Yeah, I love Roger. He hits his work and you know, what, you know, he's another one that, you know, uh, had a lot of pressure and, you know, has,

[1:04:39] you know, gone to jail and all that kind of stuff. So, uh, this is chapter three. I I brought up your Kindle version. I have the I have the, uh, audio, too. Uh, and you're talking about how Brennan Brennan's former boss, CIA Director George Tenet, despite his failure to prevent 9/11, I mean, we have the best intel sources in the world and we couldn't, you know, stop 9/11? That to me was like that was a big red flag to me. Uh, and so it sounds like these a lot of these guys are corrupt. And

[1:05:09] you're you're kind of pointing this out in the book as well. It's not just Brennan, but we have, uh, probably a long list of these guys that, you know, uh, you know, support each other and, uh, you know, make each other help each other get become rich. George Tenet cashes in on Iraq. Former CIA chief is earning big money from corporations profiting off the war. So, this seems to be, uh, a trend in the CIA. I can tell you from my experience this is, uh, this is accurate. Yeah, I know. I mean, this is this is

[1:05:40] something that I had mentioned, uh, yesterday, uh, with, uh, a guy named, uh, Paul Paul Hollar, uh, excuse me, Paul Harel, H A R R E L L. Um, and his and his podcast is, um, is is is What is George Tenet know? You know, what did what did he know that he that he's still hiding to this day? Absolutely. Uh, that could have, uh, that could prevented uh, those attacks. Now,

[1:06:11] um, Operation Northwoods is something that I that I've mentioned in the past. Yeah, very good. Uh, because this is That was something that John F. Kennedy, they wanted him to do it and he was like, "No way." And then they killed him, of course. They just dusted off and brought it out again. That's what this total same thing. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. And, um, and and it looks like again, and this is why I mentioned the shadow, the communist movement in the shadows that have been lurking through the decades because objectively

[1:06:43] what do they want to do? Well, the first thing is destabilize the union and they're doing a good job of it, unfortunately, right now. Um, you fractionalize it, you you pit you you create this dialectic, you create a left and a right that that that that that, you know, pitted against each other, um, because because as we know, uh, divided divided we, uh, we fall. Uh, that's just the way it is. Um, in in a in a union you objective, of course, is to break to to weaken the union.

[1:07:15] Um, they're doing that and then you chip away at those constitutional rights. Um, and, um, and and if you and you can do that and you can lurk in the background, I mean, here's a here's something else I always consider is, uh, you know, we are we're we're not even yet 250 years old as a as a as a nation. Uh, you have monarchs in Europe that are, you know, that are triple that. Um, you have, uh, as an example, the United Kingdom, uh, which is, uh, subservient and we spoke to this earlier last time, uh,

[1:07:45] subservient The monarchy is subservient to Londinium, which is known as London today. It's a Roman banking center. Uh, this is, uh, uh, this is, uh, William of William the Conqueror, 1066, that conquered the British Isles, but didn't conquer Londinium, uh, and the Lord Mayor, which controls the monarchy. The Charles or the Queen, uh, they don't they don't control London. London controls it. And that's that's just this is this is very important to understand these empirical,

[1:08:16] uh, structures, uh, that that are still in play and and I always argue that control our own financial system and our own federal government. We're we're we're not quite as free as we think we are financially. We are we we have our military and it's the most impressive on the on the planet I've ever seen and we have our geographic country, but we don't we don't have our economic independence and that's not, you know, it doesn't take a, uh, third grader to see that, um, because you got a $36 trillion federal deficit, you know, why why doesn't that

[1:08:47] ever get paid off? Um, but, uh, but again, I I believe the deep state is this communist apparatus lurking in the backgrounds in the shadows slowly grinding and slowly chipping away. And if it takes them 200 years, it takes them 200 years. Again, their families have been in power for far longer than that. Uh, so if it's their great-grandchildren that are finally able to to destroy the the US. But another critical component of that and when I was addressing Dominion servers, we can look at USAID and the money funded and and and I was given a graph a

[1:09:20] couple weeks ago of how, uh, USA AID money was funding Dominion servers. And that that means basically you're set up by the United Nations, uh, which I question greatly. You're set up basically by the United Nations in a in a in a in a such a sophisticated manner intellectually that you're committing you're committing national suicide. What I mean by that is the United States is is is funding of course voter fraud. That right? Because you're funding USAID

[1:09:51] and they're you're turning around and funding the municipal voter fraud. Then you're you're killing yourself basically. And why are you doing that? Because you're not catching you're not catching the fraud that that's happening. What we have here with high stakes treason is a great opportunity to take down a critical player in that deep state mechanism. And if we can take him down those dominoes are going to fall. And and I firmly believe that we can if

[1:10:22] we collectively come together and we and we do this and we exhort this effort we can take this individual out. And I agree. Yeah. And if people like Stone and Kari Lake aren't going to aren't going to hurt us or they're going to help. Yeah, there's there's so much and you revealed so much information on him Ian that's it's just it's phenomenal and people read the book and they'll they'll see for themselves like I and John you know both part of the CIA for a good number of years and

[1:10:52] we read your book and we're like what? We didn't know some of the stuff that you pointed out. And you have excellent resources and references and so forth. So people can like I had one of one of I had one of them up. I just click on it in the the Kindle version and it pulls it right up. It's like it's fantastic. So really really nice job on the book and revealing so fant- I think it's going to be one of those things that basically you know is the it's going to it's going to push him off. Push him off
