Title: CIA Agent Says Don't Believe CIA On Trump/Russia — John Kiriakou
Show: The Jimmy Dore Show
Date: 2017-10-31
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2Xvm4fceg
Duration: 0:29:00

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[00:00] please welcome our guests whistleblower former CIA agent John Kerry aku for a year I've been hearing that Trump is committing treason because he colluded he worked with people inside the Kremlin to get damaging information on Hillary Clinton his political opponent and that was and so now all of a sudden found out we found out Hillary Clinton's campaign actually colluded with people inside the Kremlin to get damaging information on

[00:30] Donald Trump and now they've changed the story a hundred percent they're going no no it's because Hillary Clinton paid for it and Donald Trump didn't is that right that first of all I'm like you've got to be kidding me that's what you're gonna try and hang this guy with and number two do you think that you're gonna convince half the country that that's something wrong with that that somehow Trump is more corrupt than the Democrats are in this situation right now tell me first of all is my first assessment of that correct that they've been saying one thing for a whole year and now it

[01:02] comes out that they did the same thing so they're switching the story is that happening yes that's exactly what's happening you know it first of all it's called opposition research and this is what campaigns do collusion is an entirely different thing collusion is is a conspiracy to subvert our democracy and you know Rachel Maddow can say all she wants that the Russians and the Trump campaign colluded to subvert our elections in our democracy but you know she's gonna have to provide some some evidence and I'd like to know where's

[01:33] the beef you know we have Jim clapper the former Director of National Intelligence who wrote an article in Politico magazine over the weekend in which the bottom line is and he actually says these words he says take my word for it take your word for it thank you truth to the American people before Congress but you want us to take your word for it I say this all the time to the CIA told us for example that there was no torture program that was a lie the CIA told us

[02:03] that there was no program of extraordinary renditions that was a lie the CIA told us that there was no Archipelago of foreign secret prisons that was a lie the CIA told us that were not hacking into the Senate intelligence committees computers that was a lie but that now they want us to believe that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians please I don't believe anything the CIA tells us I agree I'm shocked at the left's of willingness to take the government's word for it hey seventeen

[02:35] intelligence agencies oh that turned out to be a lie - it wasn't seventeen intelligence agencies it was four which was really three and by the way every one of those investigators hand-picked to do what they wanted them to do so that's right so it's shocking to me to see people even outside of the establishment media on the left buying this hook line and sinker because they hate Trump so much the Washington Post today published an article that should not have been published even in the National Enquirer in which the reporter kept saying well

[03:07] the indictments that came out today didn't prove that there wasn't collusion really is that what we've come to now Wow that is that's that's kind of amazing I saw people tweeting I saw a guy from a big Democratic organization tweet out a picture of Donald Trump jr. from 2008 and he asked the question hey why were you headlining a Real Estate's summit in Moscow in 2008 I don't know maybe because he's in real estate maybe that's why because he's a

[03:39] real estate developer that's why that's right so let me so now your organization the veterans of veteran intelligence professionals for sanity now you issued a report that said that the DNC's server which by the way I want to remind everybody the charge was that the russians hacked into the DNC server but then that the DNC never gave their server to the FBI or the Department of Homeland Security to confirm that so now

[04:11] so the reason so now that's that's an unconfirmed charge which I'm gonna say is a lie because the DNC just got caught lying again for a whole year to the Congress of congressional investigators asking about the dossier so they're proven liars why would you take their word for it they didn't give their server over to the DHS or the FBI now didn't your organization do do some investigation that proved it couldn't have been hacked that it had to be downloaded those emails we asked one of our members bill Binney Bill's the former number four at NSA and one of the

[04:43] country's leading thinkers on issues of Internet privacy we asked bill to take a look at the science behind this idea that the russians hacked into the dnc computers I'm a layman so I'm gonna put it in layman terms because I don't really understand the science of it but his conclusion is that the information we know the speed at which the information was downloaded and the conclusion is that it could not possibly have been downloaded remotely the only way it could have been downloaded at the speed at which it was downloaded was to have somebody actually put a USB thumb

[05:17] drive into a USB port and download it on-site that's it so we're not talking about a hack here we're talking about a whistleblower probably a whistleblower who was upset at the Democratic Party's collusion with the with the Clinton campaign to steal the nomination from from Oprah say now Trump now you know the WikiLeaks Julian Assange I saw with my own eyes intimated on an interview

[05:47] that the person who did that download or their or he intimate didn't say he intimated that their source could have been set the rich now a lot of people say that but my question to you John John wait my question to you on this is not if it was seth rich or not but why are we not allowed to ask that question without being called a kook yes you know this is another thing is something that I've learned from the mainstream media in the last six or eight months as soon

[06:18] as you mentioned the name seth rich you're a conspiracy theorist but the truth of the matter is that it's never been investigated and if it has been investigated why has the information why if the conclusions not been released but you're exactly right it could have been set rich i have no idea i would also like to ask the democratic party leaders why they refused to allow the FBI to those computers and then I'd like to ask the FBI why they didn't subpoena the computers they could have done that and then we could have gotten to the bottom of this thing so why do you why do you

[06:49] think the FBI didn't subpoena those servers I think that that very powerful interest here in Washington senior elected officials possibly senior officials of the Clinton campaign asked them not to and that you know perhaps they I'm speculating here but maybe maybe they said listen this was an inside job we're gonna take care of it internally just leave it at that and then the rumors get started well it was the rush it was a rush of hakkon the Democrats do nothing to to disabuse

[07:20] anybody of that notion so where do you think this whole investigation will and I predicted a long time ago that they're gonna do one of these whitewater investigations where they start looking at treason and then they're gonna end up getting him on oh he laundered money or he got a he'd but he financed the golf course with oligarch money that was from the Mafia so it's gonna be something like that which is absolutely normal corruption just like the Clinton Foundation taking hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign governments all around the world right which no one's

[07:51] the same stuff I have a problem with that so that's what seems to be happening do you can you speak about the uranium one now I've looked into this there are so many twists and turns about the uranium one now the story is the defense of that is that the person who donated a hundred and forty five million dollars or the people who donated a hundred and forty five million dollars to the Clintons during this time they had nothing to do with the company they had sold their stocks in the company so and so now we're left to believe that

[08:22] those people who were involved in the uranium one deal just really really wanted to help people around the world and that's why they gave 145 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation and there's absolutely no quid pro quo what do you make to that argument yeah I think that argument is utter complete nonsense you know I I hate it when people make me side with Donald Trump I really really do me too but but when Trump tweets you know Congress needs to investigate the Clinton Foundation we'll talk about it he's right Congress does

[08:52] need to investigate the Clinton Foundation yeah I've said for years now that there's really no real difference in Washington between the Democrats the Republicans you can take her around the edges but these these two parties are both you know enormous corrupt entities that feed off of each other for example today we started the day talking about the benefit indictment right big news mana Ford has 12 different felony charges he's gonna die in prison by the end of

[09:23] the day we were saying well Tony Podesta had to resign from his own firm because he's also being implicated at this investigation and why waits because they all work together you know that photo that that circulated around Facebook of the Trump's and the Clintons together it's nobody's wedding maybe it was Trump's wedding and they're laughing off more than they're laughing and smiling and they're hugging each other that's Washington that's real life in Washington fixes in you know they can

[09:56] say whatever they want about each other the truth the matters that they need each other because they're all corrupt and they all work together so let's talk about these indictments real quickly - first of all I think you are absolutely right we can talk about collusion and treason and all these other big words and and charges but when push comes to shove what we're gonna see and beyond the Manafort situation today I'm talking about Mike Flynn and Carter Page and others who are likely to be indicted is

[10:29] we're gonna see indictments based on what are called throwaway charges we're gonna see perjury making a false statement wire fraud Spira see mail fraud these are charges that prosecutors usually keep on so they can they drop the blade during the course of negotiations what they'll do is they'll charge you with ten or fifteen or twenty thousand 'yes but wait until you go bankrupt they'll wait until you get desperate and then they'll come back and

[11:00] say all right we'll dismiss all of these are just one if you take a guilty plea and that's why the government according to Pro Publica 98 between two purses because they overcharge and then they drop in exchange for a plea that's exactly what we're gonna see um I agree I thought I think that's exactly what we're gonna see and it's gonna be you know your basic corruption and if anybody put a magnifying glass on the Clinton Foundation you'd see the same goddamn thing in fact I don't know if

[11:30] you know this but the WikiLeaks revealed that Chelsea Clinton was on to the corruption inside the Clinton Foundation and she was blowing the whistle and they had him shut up I don't know if you read those at WikiLeaks well I did yes she was the one on to it and they were like hey shut up get her out of here and so anyway very interesting let me what are your so your thoughts today that man afford Papadopoulos and gates and anyway so again it's just they're gonna overcharge and then get them so but

[12:01] here's the here's the problem in order to get Trump you have to first impeach Trump and that's not gonna you because you can't you can't file a criminal charge against the sitting president so you have to first impeach him and that's not gonna happen look at House of Representatives is not going to impeach so if you try to impeach Trump on a charge of oh hey he colluded with the Kremlin to get negative information on his political opponent also hurt his opponent did the same thing except they paid for it so he should be impeached

[12:33] that's not gonna fly you know that's not gonna fly right but that literally I saw George Bush's ethics lawyer that Richard painter guy he's made that case literally that's what he's saying well of course there's nothing wrong with paying for your opposition research but if the Kremlin paid for it that's the reason I'm like that's your distinction after a year that's your distinction try to sell that to health half the country who voted for Trump go try to sell that to him you let me tell you something else

[13:05] I've been thinking about as you mentioned in your introduction I spent 23 months in prison on a 30-month sentence and one of the things I learned on my very first day in prison is that is that rats are treated as having come from the very bottom of the barrel rats are the are of the same social status in prison as pedophiles and one of those things that I learned on that first day was rats have to sit with the pedophiles in the

[13:35] cafeteria you can't sit at what's the what's called the good guys table the good guys are guys who did not testify against anybody and are not in prison on a child sex charge so here you've got Papadopoulos who who flipped and we know he flipped because the the special prosecutor's office told us that he's lived and you have Mike Flynn who offered to flip when his name first was made public what six or seven months ago those guys are gonna are gonna end up in prison at least for a short stretch and

[14:05] they're gonna have to sit at the pedophile table with the other rats and the other look lives then we'll see how they like their lives let me ask you about general Flynn is this unusual for a general to be doing what he did soliciting money from foreign governments to lobby against his own country's interests is that is that unusual for generals because I don't know every movie I've seen about generals they seem to be Craven maniacs you know normally they are but they also tend to be the adults in the room when they get to be that age there was kind of a famous leak at the very very end of

[14:37] the Obama administration where in that very first meeting between Obama and Trump after the election the only advice that Obama gave was don't bring Mike Flint into government I'm sure that that story is true when Mike Flynn was named national security adviser I told an alternative news outlet I would be surprised if he lasted 30 days well he lasted 32 days and the reason is that the man is out of control he he just doesn't think that the rules and

[15:07] the laws apply to him and then we have Jim Woolsey the former director of the CIA and former Secretary of the Navy who was invited to participate with Flint in a meeting he told the FBI and the Wall Street Journal that he was 15 minutes late to this meeting he finally goes into the room and sits down and realizes that the meeting is between in Andrew natives of the Turkish national intelligence organization and Flynn is telling them that if Trump gets elected president that he Flynn will allow the

[15:38] Turks to come in and kidnap Fotolia Gulen from his compound outside of Pittsburgh and rendered back to Turkey well guess what that's conspiracy to commit kidnapping which is a Class A felony and publish a publishable punishable by 20 years in prison we also now know that Flynn did not register as representative of a foreign government which would be the government of Turkey even though he was taking Turkish party and wrote an op-ed in the

[16:09] Wall Street Journal supportive of the Turkish position after the election and after Trump had said that he would name Flynn the national security advisory so Flynn may have fled dead to rights he's committed multiple felonies and he's going to go to prison unless he agrees to flip they accept his offer and he's able to testify against Trump but I just don't see that happening I don't think they need his information Wow well that then Flynn will have to sit with the

[16:39] pedophiles he's going to sit with their files so why would why would Trump because what I'm reading today that man afford when when Papadopoulos was suggesting they they meet with Russian officials they kept warning him saying no this isn't good hey let's first let's talk to our NATO people so they were doing a lot of things and not setting up those meetings right sorry yes they could get the same kind of information without actually doing meetings directly with the Russians or or at least not having to go up to a level as high as

[17:11] Trump to do those meetings with the Russians so why would they hire Flynn you know I think that Trump hated Obama so much mm-hmm that just to screw Obama in the very end he did exactly the opposite of what Obama recommended that he do and he decided to go with Flynn and then he realized 32 days into it that Flynn's a nut and that's just not equipped for that kind of a job okay okay I would say Trump also has a

[17:43] picker scary Buchi oh yeah yeah so let me let me just one more time I want to reiterate this just good because you know what you're talking about obviously so I just want to make this one more time because for months and months they kept saying Trump colluded with Russia and I kept saying what does that mean what does colluded mean and no one would say no one would say and then I'm like so you mean the Russians wanted to hack into the DNC server and they

[18:14] just didn't know how to do it and they had to get Trump's ideas first or they it doesn't make any sense right and so nobody could say what the collusion was and then finally the collusion was that Trump got damaging information on Hillary Clinton and you ant from the Kremlin well it turns out that the Clintons did the exact same thing they had an intermediary this guy steal the X pie in England contact people inside the Kremlin working for the Kremlin give him information that was damaging about

[18:45] Trump so how is that is that materially different than what they accused drugged Trump of doing is that mature so I don't think that's materially different at all it's it's what's the phrase it's a distinction without it without a difference yes so okay so that is so cuz I've been nervous right I've been like wait a minute uh have I gotten this story completely wrong all year because I keep asking people over and over what does collusion mean what and nobody will

[19:15] tell me nobody will tell me if somebody said to me listen there was collusion and the proof is that the russians hacked into the voting system in the state of ohio and flipped enough votes that it gave the election to trump i'd say okay well listen that's really serious that's a serious charge you know that is collusion he colluded with the Trump campaign to hack into the Ohio voting system but there's nothing of the sort has even been has even been raised we talked about collusion and I'll give you an example this nonsense about Facebook

[19:50] ads right a hundred thousand dollars worth of face first of all many CIA officers are allowed to spend $100,000 without even getting anybody's permission right $100,000 is nothing in petty cash it's play money secondly fully half of that hundred thousand dollars was spent after the election was over and half of the remaining fifty thousand dollars was spent in states that were solidly Trump states like Wyoming and Mississippi and Utah so how in the world was the

[20:22] remaining twenty five thousand dollars enough to flip the election for Trump it's ridiculous on its face yeah besides being ridiculous nobody's been able to prove that it had any effect whatsoever on even a single voter so I just don't buy any of it so a lot of people don't know this but the WikiLeaks did reveal that in 2015 in an internal poll that the Hillary Clinton campaign did by pieter broaden its four top line results he found out that Hillary Clinton's

[20:54] biggest vulnerability in the election was the charge that a Secretary of State she signed off on a uranium deal that gave twenty percent of our production to the Russians that's what they found out themselves that's what they knew that her biggest vulnerability was that what does Machiavelli tell us take your biggest vulnerability you throw it on your opponent that's exactly what they did and by the way shattered revealed that Robby Mook and John Podesta came up with this strategy to do this to Trump in the in their in their offices which shake shake shack milks milkshake

[21:25] sitting around and that's how they came so this has all been printed everyone knows this but no one ever mentions it why is that you think I don't know you know John Podesta is one of one of those quintessential Washington bad guys right he he goes to my church and I see him every once in a while and he's just so arrogant and so mean and just not friendly to anybody and he's got this reputation for being for being a true cutthroat just awful Washington player

[21:58] so what did people expect him to do this is exactly what Podesta would be expected to do not just John but his brother Tony is and these guys are major Washington players they'll do anything to get their candidate elected and so should we be surprised that they turn this Iranian thing on Trump expecting that it wouldn't backfire at some point I think we should not be surprised so so now John Podesta is writes a column for The Washington Post which is owned by Jeff

[22:28] Bezos who is the richest predatory capitalist in the world officially now and he also sits on a board for the Pentagon not a lot of people know that and he also has a six hundred million dollar deal with the CIA now what could go wrong John this is what I mean there's no difference between these two parties right their vested interest is just a pass power back and forth and back and forth between the two of them we shouldn't be surprised at any of this because they're both corrupt and sometimes they just

[23:00] can't they just can't control themselves and their corruption becomes public so let me tell you something also you know people data Scott Paul Manafort indicted for laundering money from the UK and government a million about dollars he funneled to the Podesta group by the way people don't know that so actually John Podesta's brother that the foundation he started the Podesta group was working for Trump's campaign manager killed Trump's campaign manager was their boss he was funneling money to them to

[23:31] telling them what to do they were literally lobbying against the government of the United States interests in favor of a Russian government's interests they were literally doing that Tony Podesta did not register as a foreign agent which is what you're supposed to do which by the way is one of the charges they just gave to Manafort that he didn't register as a foreign agent so that charge has got to be coming at Tony Podesta pretty soon I think I think it is and you know what Tony Podesta actually is registered as a foreign agent of the government of Saudi

[24:01] Arabia no Jew also should give all of us pause oh my god so so that's my whole point it's like so now if you try to impeach this guy half the country's not gonna let that happen it's just they're just not there there's no way they're gonna let that especially when it's around such scummy individuals like John Podesta and Clinton Foundation which is just one big graft organization which is just all it was and everybody knows that so well listen you know I could talk to you all day it's but let me ask you one more

[24:32] question I appreciate your being very generous with your time I'm sure you know I found out recently that the CIA you know not only how did false flag operations in the United States but planned many more also infiltrated the media the news media they had their plants working for them at the New York Times Washington Post Newsweek Time magazine all the major networks that was a real thing happening and they they did propaganda on our own people they spotted the church investigation which happened in the 70s outed a lot of this

[25:04] stuff and it was the CIA after the John F Kennedy assassination which invented the term conspiracy theorists and why did they invent that John to discredit people who challenged them and that's what still works today still he doesn t on this show all I did was cover the Seth rich story I covered it one day and the next day I attack that wheeler who was pushing the story so one day I covered it and I said there's a lot of unanswered questions it's an open murder

[25:36] investigation by the way and I'm doing the journalism show I thought you were supposed to be able to ask questions about an open murder investigation and then the next day I covered it and I said oh that guy wheeler was full of and so that stat didn't pan out The Washington Post put me in the middle of a story about fake news to me that's the craziest thing that's happening right now you know you're a major part of my livelihood is that I write op-eds for a wide variety of websites and most of them are alternative websites things

[26:07] like reader supported news or TruthDig or consortium news and and fully four of the websites that I contribute to were identified in that article as Russian fronts or Russian dupes or Russian somehow tied to the Russians none of it was true but in the meantime Google and Facebook have altered their yes era what do you call it out with algorithms their algorithm and and they've cut fully by half they've cut traffic to

[26:38] these sites and it's really hurt them with no proof or anything at all it's this it's this anti-russian hysteria now that I think is is pushing us into a corner we're gonna have a tough time getting out of well I I don't have the problem with Silicon Valley billionaire deciding what's free speech to you well listen I really appreciate you taking time what do you think this is all gonna what do you think this soul you think at the end of the day with this Russian investigation we're just gonna have a couple of normal guys doing normal Graff

[27:10] doing normal money-laundering doing normal stuff and they're never gonna get what they what this was all based on which was treason correct I do I believe exactly that and look at the scooter libby trial what was it 12 years ago right scooter libby was was indicted on he was actually convicted of five felonies but none of those felonies had anything to do with valerie plame he was convicted of two counts of perjury and three counts of making a false statement and his his sentence was

[27:41] commuted by the president so he never went to prison but but scooter libby never leaked Valerie Plame's name rich Armitage did when he was the the Deputy Secretary of State I think we're gonna see the same kind of thing happen here we're a half a dozen people or maybe more are gonna be convicted of felonies gonna be these throwaway charges like making a false statement conspiracy or other nonsense and everybody's gonna get you know two months or six months or eight months and nobody's gonna ever prove collusion because there was no collusion Wow alright John I really

[28:13] appreciate it again thanks for taking time my pleasure everybody everybody check out John's book doing time like a spy how the CIA taught me to survive and thrive in prison thanks so much John hope to talk to you again thanks I look forward to it thanks for having me the next live jimmy dore show is November 6th in Burbank California and November 12th and Portland Oregon link for tickets right there
