Title: Graham Elwood
Show: Graham Elwood
Date: 2019-09-05
URL: https://youtu.be/i_Jx9h97-ig
Duration: 17:00

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[00:00] uh if you're just tuning in this political vigilante I'm here with John Kiriakou ex CIA agent I want to talk now I've covered the the Epstein case and there's obviously I've talked to several people say there's clearly ties with Mossad with the CIA and this global sex trafficking ring of like I don't know ruling elites it sounds pretty horrifying and spreads pretty wide your experience with the CIA

[00:31] what do you what do you think of this i mean i don't i first of all i don't think he killed himself at all i think i think either they somebody killed him one of the powerful people thats in his black book or the CIA extracted him i don't know what do you think the day that he died friend of mine called me and he said this has to be israelis right and i said that was the first thing that came to my mind this has to be the israelis I'll give the israelis

[01:02] credit they are really really good spies really good you know my first week in the CIA we had a briefing by the director of security and he gave a talk about counterintelligence that is foreign countries having spies in the united states now we have liaison relationships with dozens and dozens of countries and there was called declared where they come to the united states a working their country's embassy in washington and they are declared to the CIA as intelligence officers so an

[01:34] israeli embassy in washington there's a Mossad officer and there's a shittin back officer and they officially do liaison with the intelligence community but the security director told us there are those two declared Israeli officers the FBI has been able to identify 187 undeclared Israeli intelligence officers all around the United States stealing secrets every single day one of the things that the Israelis are really good at it is influence operations now in

[02:08] part is because they have a natural constituency in many Jewish Americans or evangelical Christians who are pro Israel they are predisposed to helping Israel in the first place but that's not always good enough especially if you're an intelligence service so what a good intelligence service would do would be to sit with your operations officers around the table and say how do we get to the very top of the pyramid in this

[02:39] country to the very top of the political leadership we need an access agent so who is out there who knows presidents of both parties cabinet members of both parties members of Congress prominent bankers people in entertainment how about this guy Jeffrey Epstein so we can fund him we can finance him we can introduce him to some business opportunities to make sure that he has an income that's great enough that he

[03:11] doesn't have to just rely on us but we recruit him and we get him to introduce us or to give us access to all of these important people when you look at Jeffrey Epstein's black book and these people don't get any more important you've got the Clintons you have the trumps you have Prince what's-his-face from the UK you've got leaders in entertainment and business and banking and investments and real estate I mean

[03:43] everybody who's anybody was in that black book that's an intelligence goldmine that puts whoever recruited him right at the seat of power so who would have organization would have the wherewithal to do something like that the Russians are good but they're not that good the Chinese aren't interested in that kind of thing all they care about is Science and Technology and for all intents and purposes that really only leaves the Israelis so I believe from the very beginning this was an

[04:13] Israeli intelligence operation and it went bad and it went bad because he was a deeply flawed individual he was a pedophile and he was a sex addict and he had he had hey of just getting himself in trouble no you can get yourself out of trouble once maybe he did and whatever it was 2006 but he just couldn't stop he couldn't stop himself and got in over his head so that's fascinating to me so so we know from victims of him and you know

[04:47] testimony and all this that one of the things he would even brag about is you know is his sort of his modus his MO was you know bring some wealthy powerful guy to one of his mansions the butler would say would you like a massage from a beautiful young woman she would be a child they you know they would have sex and he would have video on this and he would have leverage on the person like he was a deliberately gathering leverage on people which first of all who is he getting that leverage for you seem to think it's Mossad and secondly where is

[05:19] all of all this informations been seized apparently where is yes and why is the media now just you know julene maxwell's still referred to as a socialite in his gal-pal rather than a pedophile sex trafficker so yes how do you assess all of that you are absolutely right I don't want to sound too too cynical but it seems to me that because this thing reached up to the very top I hear that the fix is in you would think in any other circumstance every reporter in

[05:51] America would want a piece of this story because imagine the Titans that you could bring down with evidence like this and I'm not really seeing that you know we see a couple of fleeting references now in The Washington Post the New York Times and if you want a little bit more detail you have to go to Rolling Stone Gizmodo or salon.com or whatever that shouldn't be the case the whole country should be seized with this story because I think grave crimes were committed here

[06:22] and and the media is not covering it yeah cuz it was a global so it wasn't just like some single it was like oh it was Penn State University or this one Catholic Church or or it's this is the whole plan I mean this is leaders from all these powerful country the royal family the Saudis Israel the US like you say presidents on both sides of the aisle bankers all these people and it is just quietly you know William bar is focusing on all these bumbling guards at the prison who fell asleep and

[06:54] the camera just happened to be unplugged I mean it just sounds like a joke yeah yeah it's joke in which I said I didn't believe that he committed suicide or if he did he was actively encouraged and perhaps helped to commit suicide but for this to have been a legitimate suicide literally everything every step of the way would have had to have gone wrong so do we really believe that the cameras

[07:25] just happen to be not working or the guards just happen to be exhausted from too much overtime and didn't do their rounds or he just happened to have been taken out of suicide watch a couple of days earlier or his cell phone just happened to be transferred out the day before and he was literally the only guy in the prison alone in the cell right you know MCC Manhattan is not a normal prison it's a it's a transportation hub and it's meant not to permanently house

[07:57] prisoners but to house them only long enough for them to go on trial or be transferred to another prison so there's constant movement in and out constantly of prisoners if anything there are too many people in yourself you never find yourself as the only person in a Cell but he did and we're supposed to just take their word for that it was just a coincidence yeah so obviously but you you look at that and you don't think the CIA was involved in this you know the

[08:27] CIA and I don't think they're smart enough to be able to pull something like this off and the thing is you know the CIA when it really comes down to it the CIA's real mission is to collect foreign intelligence they just don't and can't target Americans like that that they got caught doing it in the 70s and and they paid a heavy price this has Foreign Intelligence Service and I think the Israelis the only ones good enough to do it okay well let's talk a little bit more now you you made a hypothetical

[08:59] statement or you said and you can explain this better than I can we talk - sure before we started recording about would the CIA be capable of getting children for people just to get leverage on somebody and stuff right can you can you you made a statement and can you may discuss that yeah two years ago I gave a speech at a at a peace conference at American University it was a speech about ethics ethics and intelligence operations and my main point was if you

[09:30] are a CIA officer or you want to become on the CIA officer you have to enter into a job with your own personal set of morals and ethics because ethics are not taught ever in under any circumstances there are no training courses that are going to teach you right from wrong or what's and what's not and so as part of the speech I asked a hypothetical question I said let's say you're a CIA case officer an Operations Officer and you've

[10:02] recruited a penetration of a foreign terrorist group whatever you want and you're you meet with this source every month in a hotel somewhere in the Middle East and this guy has proven to be the real deal right he's giving you actionable information that you have used to disrupt attacks and save lives so you know that this guy is the real McCoy you vetted him and he he always tells you the truth so you go to with

[10:33] him one night in Kyllo let's say and he says to you look I've been good to you I give you everything you asked for I always tell you the truth now you're going to do something for me you're going to go out you're gonna get me a prostitute I say let me see you show of hands how many people would actually go out there and get him a prostitute and usually about three-quarters maybe 80% put their hands up and I say the answer is yes you would go out and you would get him a prostitute

[11:03] it's not nice kind of scumbag eree but your job is to deal with scumbags like this it's for the good of the country you would go out and get him across - what if he asks you for a child prostitute and everybody kind of you know gasps maybe once in a while somebody will gingerly put his hand up and I say absolutely not not under any circumstances this is a child for God's sake

[11:34] I said if you don't know right from wrong at this point in life then you're a sociopath and you need to find a different line of work the problem though is that nobody's going to tell you no nobody's gonna say you know what that's not cool we've got to draw the line somewhere nobody's gonna say that because they want the information they want the recruitments your job is to break the law anyway you're not doing it in the United States

[12:05] yeah it's a terrible world we live in but you know blah blah blah but the answer is no not under any circumstances and then somebody in the audience for whatever reason ran who confirmed the CIA prepares children for their sources right so and it's not all right good yeah you didn't you didn't say that but you're saying it's within the realm of possibility that it has happened because there's nobody's going hey stop correct yes it's within the realm of possibility

[12:37] now we know that this kind of thing happens we know that because in the former Yugoslavia a group of contractors from DynCorp I think it was was arrested along with several United Nations officials for doing exactly that for trafficking in children we know that it's happening in Somalia Sudan so yeah they're they're bad people out there trafficking in children and in you know a modern-day slave trade really so how

[13:07] much cuz DynCorp has definitely come up with with ties to Jeffrey Epstein I mean do you think that there have been CIA that have done this with in some way with Jeffrey Epstein and any of the people that he's clearly gone after to try to get leverage I haven't heard that it would be highly unusual for a CIA officer to be involved with an American citizen likes everything I've seen if Jeffrey Epstein were had been

[13:39] recruited by an American intelligence organization or a law enforcement it would be the FBI the CIA is prohibited by law from operating operationally in the United States they they seen everything to the FBI so that's possible but unlikely because the FBI they all have sticks up their ass about you know following the law that's why I believe this was the Israelis because these really care about US law just like we break the law overseas they break the

[14:10] law here in the United States and I think that if they believed that that would get the information or proximity to a target especially our president I think they would do it what do you think about Jolin Maxwell who his father was like with Mossad I mean I mean how much more perfect did that possibly be right you know there's there's so much smoke here that there has to be some fire I want to come back to something that used to why are you still walking around having lunch you know at in-n-out burger

[14:43] on the CIA why isn't she behind bars or sitting in a chair in front of a grand jury I don't understand this at all yeah what did you think what did you make of that that that that and some people say oh that photo was staged it was photoshopped do they shot it ahead of time but whatever it was sending a message she's sitting oh yeah with this smug smile reading a CIA book I mean what yes that is that saying haha CIA Mossad wins or what did what was that yeah I think that was a slap at the I think that was a slap of the federal

[15:13] government she clearly did that on purpose I don't think I think it was a legitimate photo that she had staged and and I think she did it as just a big middle finger to to the whole USG Wow well yeah well and you know who has to do something like if I was facing human trafficking charges I wouldn't go protected I think we need to get to the bottom of that - how do we do this I mean because as

[15:44] we've talked about they've sort of the the press is sort of waned from it because who knows now me you know CEOs of media corporations are in his black book and they're telling the reporters I cover it else or or just cover it this way or we've got William bar who I don't trust now like how do we get to the bottom of this when it's like the most powerful people in the world yeah there are only barely two groups that that could possibly get anywhere with this one obviously is the Justice Department

[16:16] and like you say we can't trust Bo bar to do any of this for all we know bill bar is implicated we don't know and the other is just really good journalists I don't think we're gonna find those journalists at the Washington Post the New York Times and Wall Street Journal I think that we're probably gonna have to look to alternative media you know real go-getters like like BuzzFeed or or The Daily Beast or you know people who are hungry otherwise I think that and I hate

[16:47] to even say this but I think that a lot this is just gonna end up being cover up sadly I think you're right well John thank you so much for spending time with us today virgin people follow you online or read any information coming out there thanks yeah I'm on Facebook and Twitter at a website John Kuryakin calm thanks for having me all right everybody we'll check out go to John Kiriakou calm and also support this show go to patreon.com/scishow and rock friend calm

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