Title: John Kiriakou Podcast
Show: John Kiriakou Podcast
Date: 2026-05-29
URL: https://youtu.be/eW4mclDzLnk
Duration: 49:00

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[00:00] you would take out the body, whether it's a a body double or, you know, made out of silicone or whatever. Take it out in full view of everybody. That's how I would do it. Let as many people as possible see this body. So that reasonable people can agree to disagree. >> They did do that. >> Mhm. >> Hello, I'm John Kiriakou and I'm here to [ __ ] [ __ ] up.

[00:43] >> [music] >> You're like the most famous guy on the internet now. I don't recognize your normal voice. It's killing me. >> I know, right? >> [laughter] >> I don't know how this happened. It just happened like literally overnight. It just happened. >> [laughter] >> Can we pull up the latest one that we put up, Steve? >> Yeah. >> Let's get John's live reaction. So, when this was happening, when you and I did episodes 278 and 279 together, which was a year ago, I remember this was probably like an hour 20 something minutes into the first

[01:14] episode and I remember this whole Lincoln thing coming up out of nowhere. I'm like, "God, this is cool. He's a Lincoln collector." And then you look at me with a dead straight face and you're like, "Yeah, I was trying to buy Lincoln's last turd." And I at the time we had Alessia in the studio and I'm I'm I'm like turning to Alessia like this, "This [ __ ] And then you're like, "Oh yeah, I was trying to buy it." So, when this all started to break like Danny on on our editing team and and I were we're looking at stuff. I'm like, "You got to make the Lincoln [ __ ] story." [laughter] So, he he did. Let's run it. Can people see this, Steve?

[01:44] >> Yeah. >> All right, let's roll. >> show museum >> It was a museum of circus freak shows from the 1800s. The stuff that had been in these circus side shows. They had the shadow box hanging on the wall. And there's >> dried out turd [clears throat] >> And it says it is >> Abraham Lincoln's final turd. >> Come on. So, it says on the card, it said when he arrived at Ford's Theater, he had to drop a deuce. And so, before he got seated, he went to the men's room. >> And he dropped a deuce in the chamber pot. >> And then he went back to watch the play. >> And he got shot. >> And somebody had the presence of mind >> to [ __ ] out of >> And they say presence of mind >> over the sickness.

[02:14] >> Well, >> a gorilla of Lincoln collecting >> [laughter] >> I see her to go and watch the post about 6 months later saying he's going out of business and they're going to auction everything off. So, I told my wife, >> I'm buying that turd. >> She's like, >> Oh, no, you're not. >> I said, >> Oh, yes, I am. I'm buying that turd. >> My wife and I actually had a strong disagreement about this. We go to the auction and I >> I top out at 1,200 bucks. >> And it ends up going to 5 grand. So, the guy that ended up buying it sends it to some company for a DNA sample. And what they found was it had like microscopic bits of a Necco Wafer in it, but Necco Wafers weren't invented until 1880.

[02:45] >> It wasn't his [ __ ] It wasn't his. >> [laughter] >> It was some random guy's turd. >> And that's what he paid for. >> He paid $5,000 for. >> [laughter] >> That is one of my better stories. >> Oh my god. Are you familiar with Black Twitter at all? >> No. >> Oh, you're not. You You need to familiarize yourself. They love you. >> You really? >> They love Yotes this [ __ ] John. Crazy, yo. >> [laughter] >> There's my I some words I'm not allowed to say. This [ __ ] I hear just saying straight cap, but it's real. [laughter] And I'm I'm [ __ ] dying reading this

[03:17] stuff. >> And I'm telling you it happened literally overnight. >> Yeah. >> And I don't understand why. >> I know you don't. I mean, you're like for people that don't know you personally, which is pretty much everyone out there listening, like you've lived this amazing life and done all all these incredible things or whatever, but it's always funny to talk to you like about content cuz you're like, "Oh, is that good?" >> [laughter] >> I'm like, "Yeah, John, like 15 million views on something's really good." And you're like, "Okay." And you leave. [laughter] And we're just like, "You know what? You're happy as a clam. We'll keep it that way." >> And you know, some crazy stuff has happened since I

[03:48] saw you last. I've got this great friend Tyrel Ventura, Jesse Ventura's son. Ty is one of the sweetest men I've ever I've ever met. He's just a really good-hearted, kind guy. >> What's up, guys? Three quick things. Number one, if you have not already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It is a huge huge help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of these episodes, you can join via the link in my description or my pinned comment. And number three, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to edit clips from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my

[04:18] description below. >> And he calls me one night in July and uh and he says uh he wrote a movie. And Ty's Ty's a Hollywood guy. He's he's done a lot in in film. He wrote this movie. I was like, "Oh, that's cool. Good for you." And he said, "Well, you know, it's going to be this is the story." I was like, "Yeah, that actually sounds like a compelling uh storyline." >> [laughter] >> And I'm thinking, "Why is he telling me this?" I'm happy for him. He's going to write this movie. And he said, "Uh you're going to be in my movie." And I said, "Oh, thank you. No. No, no,

[04:50] I'm not interested. I said, "Listen, I'll be stiff and uh unconvincing. I'm I would be a terrible actor. I've never acted before and I would wreck your movie." And he said, "Well, I thought of that. And I thought you've been you acted every day of your career when you were with the CIA." I said, "Well, that's actually that's actually true." And he said, "So, I wrote the part specifically for you and you're going to be in the movie." So, I went to Mexico for the whole month of October. >> Wow. >> And we filmed this movie. And I'm very proud to say that I am now

[05:22] a member of the Screen Actors Guild. >> Oh, you're in SAG now. >> [laughter] >> That's not suspicious at all. So, a CIA guy in SAG. >> I'm also now a professional Hollywood actor. >> Were you Did you feel like you were good at it when you were doing it? I feel like you're a natural. >> No, I Listen, everybody around me, everybody else in the film was incredible. Like, I would stand there just off camera watching them in awe of their ability to do this over and over and over again. Scene We would do each scene eight, 10, 12 times. >> Right.

[05:52] >> And they were so good. And they've all been in stuff. They've all been in movies and TV series and all kinds of stuff. And then the star of the movie is a a really great guy, very generous with his time and his advice, Jeff Fahey. I really hit it off with him. He would stand just off camera and whisper directions to me. And it made me like, I guess, believable enough that I didn't make an ass of myself in this movie. So, we watched the first cut a couple of Saturdays ago

[06:23] and I was like, this movie's actually good. Like, I would go to the theater to watch it. >> it about? >> It's about the richest guy in the world who's a cross between Elon Musk and um and uh Erik Prince. And he has a son who has become his daughter. And so they're estranged. And he hasn't told anybody, but he's dying of liver cancer. And so he invites the the country's preeminent

[06:53] lefty podcaster and the country's preeminent righty podcaster to come and he's going to tell his story for the first time. And then they sort of are competing with one another how they're [snorts] going to shape the story. One falls apart, the other one gets it done. And then I'm the director of the guy's security detail, a former CIA ops officer. >> Oh, right on cue. There you go. But you had to play a bit of a tough guy, right? >> Yeah, I had to play an [ __ ] The guy was an [ __ ] And and a liar. >> You couldn't play that. I was in a dumpster all night. >> That's another one that's making the

[07:24] rounds. >> [laughter] >> Do I smell like I've been with a woman? >> And then the best is they switch it back and your voice is like, we later got divorced. >> [laughter] >> I'm going to [ __ ] laugh. Oh my god. Oh, I'm going to start crying. >> Oh, well, that's very good. I'm I'm glad you're in SAG now. You so you I just add it to the resume, right? >> Last night I cast my votes for the SAG Awards. Now now call the actor awards. >> Excellent. >> I took it very seriously. They they They send everybody They're like, you know, 50 million people that are in the SAG. So it it's not like, you know, this was

[07:55] anything necessarily special. It was for me. So they send you the list of nominees. They send you links to every one of the movies and the TV series. I watched every last one of them. And I cast educated votes. >> Good for you, John. Someone's taking it seriously. [laughter] They need your type in there. >> That's right. >> But we we are we are here obviously as like kind of an emergency episode because of what's going on. And I know you have some stuff that you heard, whispers in the wind if you will, about Iran. So we will get to that a little bit later, but

[08:25] I definitely want to start on the story of my lifetime, I think is what I would say at this point. You and I have talked about it in the past on episodes with Epstein and, you know, how they've slowly rolled out this case and people have found information over the years and now there's some files coming out and there's a lot of issues there. But I got to tell you, man, reading through these emails >> Yeah. >> [snorts] >> Sickening. >> There are so many things that in the past people might have presented to me,

[08:56] random people, with let's say no evidence that I was like, come on. >> Yeah. >> And now Right? >> That's been my response. Like, come on. >> So now when you read it, are you like me where you're like, well, I can't rule this out anymore? >> I will say I've got a great friend, Ben Swan, terrific investigative journalist, who was laser-focused on Pizzagate. And Pizzagate always sounded so insane to me that I was like, come on, man. What are you doing? You're going to kill your career with this Pizzagate thing. The first of all, the pizza place doesn't

[09:27] even have a basement where they're keeping kids, right? And this clown from North Carolina drives up with an AR-15 or whatever it was, AK-47, and shoots the place up, and then he can't find a basement where the kids are being kept as sex slaves and he, you know, gives himself up. And then we see these emails last week about, you know, take a Viagra and then we'll go get some pizza and grape soda. Ha ha ha. It's it's nuts. I can't believe it in some of these cases. >> And the you know, the the the code word

[09:57] usage. The The other thing, John, that's so sinister is it's almost like it was a giant, you know, [ __ ] you meme to everyone. Like the worst sadistic kind because you have a guy emailing from account from an account called j e e vacation. Like you can't even make this up. That's like what your grandpa would make on an auto AOL account back in 1999 when he wanted to be hip and make an email. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? And they talk so flippantly. Like forget the most sadistic stuff where they're talking about children and the awful things

[10:28] they're doing to them. >> Mhm. >> Like that, but they talk so flippantly about the world and it had me rethinking what George Carlin once said. I always quote it. Everyone always quotes it. It's a big club and you're not in it. >> That's right. >> I think we have to fix the quote. It's a little club and you're not in it. >> We didn't even We didn't even realize this little club existed within the big club. >> Mhm. >> I think that is fair. >> Yeah. >> I tried a psychoactive mushroom recently. You've heard me talk about it before. It's not the one everyone always talks about though. The mushroom I'm referring to is Amanita Muscaria. Red

[10:58] one with the white spots that you've seen in folklore stories forever. It's not psilocybin and it's not a traditional psychedelic. Although at high doses it can be extremely dissociative and psychoactive in its own way. For me, it's way more grounding. At lower doses it puts you in a calmer, focused, almost flow state headspace. At medium doses it's more relaxing and sedating, which is great for sleep and dreams. Personally, I like Amanita at lower doses. It makes me calmer and relaxed and it's not this crazy like high feeling or anything like that. The reason I felt comfortable even trying Amanita in the first place though is

[17:46] friend. Yeah. >> You love him. >> Yeah, we Yeah, we really love each other. Um Again, what kind of judgment do these people have? If you're like the most important constitutional attorney in the world, then maybe you should keep your pants on >> Probably. >> in the presence of a 16-year-old girl. >> Yeah. >> Your defense that that you're you kept your underwear on, that's not a defense. It's not a defense. >> [snorts] >> You know, I was on the Piers Morgan show with him,

[18:17] I don't know, 6, 8 months ago. And Piers called it smackdown afterwards. Because I think I rattled him. I rattled Dershowitz. He He said the most ridiculous thing. I said that I was confident that Epstein was a was a Mossad access agent. And I believe that I've been proven correct. I believe that I underestimated his contact with intelligence services. We could talk about that all you want. Yeah. Um but I I'm positive that he was an Israeli agent of

[18:48] some sort. And Dershowitz just jumped all over me. And then he shouted See, this is what he does, he interrupts to try to knock you off off balance. But he shouted the most ridiculous thing and I laughed at him. He said that he was Epstein's attorney. And if Epstein was a spy for the Mossad, he could have gone to the White House and he could have gotten him a lighter sentence. And it's like, "I would have hung him from a tree. >> [laughter] >> No, John. >> Oh, hung him from a tree. >> That's right. That's right.

[19:18] >> Like, you think going to the White House admitting that your client is spying for a foreign power >> Yeah. >> on you. >> That's right. >> That's going to get him leniency. >> I saw we can't play it because it actually has like copyrighted music in the background, but I was just looking when right before you got here that clip popped up in my feed of him saying that. And it was actually I don't know if you notice this cuz you were just on Zoom like going back and forth, but we can watch it afterwards and see everything. You could tell as he was getting through it once he had said CIA or Mossad and then said, "I could

[19:50] have gone straight to the white" He went like >> Uh-oh, crap. >> Oh, whoops. >> Cat's out of the bag. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and you just see Bassem Youssef like He was good. >> I want to ask you that. >> You know what I mean? It was like, "Whoa." But that's That's the thing, John. And I've talked about this a bunch recently. It's like you're Greek-American, right? You're born You're born here. >> Born here. >> Mhm. You're a dual citizen, right? >> Yes. >> But you're someone who served the American government. >> Well, I only became a dual citizen in 20 >> That's right.

[20:20] >> 10. >> That's right. Okay, so you're even closer generationally. I'm like fourth generation or something like that. I'm half Italian, half Irish. No disrespect to the Irish side. I love my Irish fans out there. You know, I never identify with the culture. The food kind of sucks. I go out of my way to not celebrate St. Patrick's Day. It kind of is what it is. It's not a part of my family cultural history. >> Right. >> And so like if something happened with Ireland tomorrow, I'd be like, "Ah, that's really sad, but my life would go on." On the other hand, the Italian side >> Yeah. >> that's my family culture on both sides.

[20:51] That I have lived in the country. I have family in the country. I love that place. It's amazing. If tomorrow though, as an American-born Italian-Irish American, if the American [snorts] government came to me and said, "Listen, Jules, some [ __ ] went down last night and it turns out we are at war with Italy. Will you Before the question comes out like will you fight for us or them? I have on my American fatigues, an AK-47, and I'm taking the nearest plane, train, or automobile to get the [ __ ] over to Italy and mow down whatever Mario and Luigi's get in my way in the wrong uniform. I'm

[21:21] going to hate it. I'm going to hate it, but I'm going to do it. >> Yes. >> And there's a lot of people whose names ended in a vowel in 1943 >> Mhm. >> whose parents didn't even speak English who did the same >> exactly that. >> And there are many American Jews who would say the same thing about America. >> Mhm. >> I take [clears throat] issue. I It's not about the race. I take issue with anyone like an Alan Dershowitz who you know goddamn well, American-born dude who's made his whole life here. You know goddamn well, if you ask him that question, do you get a blank stare and he changes the subject and you know what the answer is. >> Or even just accuse you of being an anti-Semite. >> That's right.

[21:52] >> I couldn't agree with you more. Mhm. I don't trust him. I don't like him. Frankly, I don't know anybody that trusts him. He's just not the kind of guy that instills trust. >> Yeah, and the thing about him that I have to give him is that ever since the Epstein story like first came out, he is one of the only people if not maybe the only guy like from that orbit who will get in front of whatever camera is rolling to discuss the case directly. I will give him that. I will also give him that as a

[22:24] attorney, he did represent the guy. He has a job to do there. >> Yeah. >> Whether we like it or not. >> But David Boies was on uh the other He and I were both on uh Piers the other day and he made an important point cuz David Boies is one of the most important criminal defense attorneys in America. And he said that Dershowitz was more than just his attorney. He was his friend and that's fine. You can be friends with with your clients even if your clients are scumbags, but he was Epstein's publicist.

[22:54] >> Mhm. >> And that's not fine. >> He was? >> For all intents and purposes, yeah. >> Interesting. >> Mhm. Yeah. Did Did you happen to see Les Wexner's testimony? >> I'm glad you brought that up, John. >> Did you catch the hot mic moment? >> If you say more than five words, I'm going to [ __ ] kill you. >> [laughter] >> Yes, I did catch that. >> I loved it. >> How about the [ __ ] the real >> Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah. Boy, Les Wexner

[23:25] I I would have so many questions for Les Wexner there aren't enough hours in the day. >> Right. What would What would be the first thing you'd ask him? >> What would possess you to hire a seventh-grade substitute math teacher who had never finished college to be tax advisor when you are the richest man in the state of Ohio? There wasn't one person in the entire United States of America for you to hire to advise you on your taxes

[23:55] than a seventh-grade substitute math teacher who didn't finish college unless you were also having sex with him. >> Oh, I didn't see that curveball coming at the end. That kind of just hit me. >> Which Which he has consistently denied. >> He has You see his reaction that with his face when they did bring that up in a separate question, I might add. They're like, "Did you ever First of all, he's like leaning forward like this whole time." And they're like, "Did you ever Did you ever have sexual relations with Jeffrey Epstein?" He's like, I was like, "I need a body language

[24:25] expert on that one. I don't know." >> And you know what he did, according to Vanity Fair? As As soon as people started asking that question he ran out and got married. The guy was, you know, well into adulthood and had never been married. And then as soon as people started saying, "I wonder if if Wes Les Wexner's gay." He ran out and got married. >> See, this is what's strange about that in particular. Now, I can't speak for Les Wexner at all, but on the other side of the equation

[24:56] because these files, to be clear, seem to show it's girls, boys, children just in general. Anything went. But on the other side of the equation, in all the testimony, witnesses, people who were around Jeffrey Epstein coming forward, I have never heard something where it involved a male, period. It was always young women or little girls, right? So, for him to be this would be a, you know, a

[25:27] a gay relationship or encounter like that, and that I mean, I guess it's totally possible. I guess nothing's off the table, but it's a that's always been like a little bit of a red herring for me. Like, I wonder if it's like Les is doing stuff with people that Jeffrey's providing. >> And that that could very well have been as well. Mhm. >> Mhm. So, you you asked that question, though, about why you'd hire a >> Yeah. >> Dalton math teacher. >> Why? And you give him so much money that

[25:57] he ends up with >> and and power of attorney. He ends up with the widest townhouse in all of Manhattan. >> You ever stood outside that place? >> I went once. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's gigantic. >> Yeah. >> I give the demented tour of New York City to people coming in town. We go there. >> That would be fun. >> We stand there, but >> Yeah. >> it's a big place. >> Yeah, it is. >> You ever see look at the Google Maps and see how far it goes back? >> No. No, I'll do that. >> is like half the size. >> Wow. >> It's nuts. We'll get to Letney, by the way. >> Wow. >> But this was an answer related to the first half of your question, John. So,

[26:27] let's let this play right here, Deef. Why Les Wexner hired Jeffrey Epstein. >> He had done personal work for the Rothschild family in France. Well, specifically, I talked to Elie de Rothschild and said mention that earlier. Uh so, he he represented their whole family. He said there'd been a whole bunch of people that many most of them I never would have met but in New LA he would say like I'm I'm providing financial advice to the founders of

[26:58] Google. I'm financial providing financial advice to Jeff Bezos. >> To be clear that was that was later. >> question. Okay. >> That was later when he did that that wasn't from that answer right there but it seemed to me when you see the foot there's a >> full 4 minute version of that as well that what Wexner was saying whether it's true or not is certainly a question but what he was saying is that he was really hitting at the point that like because

[27:29] he personally talked to some of the members of the Rothschild family and they confirmed at the time this allegedly being in the mid to late 80s something like that. >> Right. Right. >> That they were in fact working with Jeffrey on whatever basis they were he decided to do it. >> bona fides. Yeah? >> Yeah. So first of all do you believe that or do you think there's more there? >> Oh there's got to be more there. So far in this entire story nothing has been as it seemed. Nothing. There's there's been more behind all of it behind every

[27:59] revelation. And if only half of it's been released and we're flipping out over what we've seen so far what's the other half include? You know? And why wasn't it released? Is it even worse than what we've seen? Is it just a continuation of what we've seen? I will say that there are a lot of very important people out there who have questions that need to be answered. I hate that the statute of limitations is a problem here. I hate that very much. >> a problem specifically? >> A problem in that

[28:30] this stuff can't be prosecuted. >> Which stuff? >> Like child sex crimes. >> Really? >> Yeah. There aren't going to be any charges against anybody. There going to be civil suits but nobody's going to be charged with a crime. If you look at even in the UK the UK's been very straightforward about all this. They have Mandelson now and former Prince Andrew. Andrew was charged with um with passing a document to Epstein that had to do with British business and trade negotiations. >> Aliumama

[29:00] >> Yeah. The Aliumama deal, that's exactly right. And then Mandelson is rumored to have given him something from the Defense Ministry which could be a violation of the state the official secrets act. Uh but none of this stuff has to do with sex. >> We'll come back to the Aliumama deal cuz that has to do with like the origins here. I just there is so much on the bone that like it's so hard to stay on one thing. So I apologize to people if we jump around a lot, but like John knows everything about this case. So that'll happen a little bit. But let's stay with Wexner for a minute. So you'd ask him about the source of wealth.

[29:31] Then they have a relationship for at least 20 years. He claims that he cut him off in 2007. I don't know that I believe that. >> Right. >> What else would you ask him? What would be the burning or to quote Howard Lutnick, the cutting question? >> Yeah. I mean, I would ask questions that I know he wouldn't answer truthfully or honestly. Like I would want run downs of every time he went to that island. There's there's a reason why literally every room including the

[30:01] bathrooms were wired for audio and video. >> Mhm. >> Nobody does that. >> He said he only went there once on his boat with his family on the record. >> Right. I I hope that's true. I don't believe him. >> I agree. >> Not if you've been a not just a friend, but but a a close friend, a best friend for more than two decades. You went to the guy's house one time? Come on. >> It's like Dave was saying with Howard Lutnick's answer at Congress where he's like, "I went to the island. It was only for an hour and I left with my wife, my

[30:33] children, and our nannies." >> Yeah. Cuz people fly all the way to the Caribbean for 1 hour. >> He's like he couldn't say Dave's like you couldn't say you were there for the afternoon. Exactly. I mean it's a [ __ ] island. >> Exactly. >> And that was after Ludnic denied that they were close friends. Mhm. >> That [ __ ] that one. >> Look at Sarah Ferguson. Now she's in a whole heap of trouble. >> That's Prince Andrew's ex-wife. >> Mhm. >> Well, we knew for a long time that Jeffrey was like floating her money cuz they were in debt up to their eyeballs, right? >> I have a good friend who represented her

[31:03] as as one of her attorneys and he said she was always broke. Always broke. I don't know where the money went. How can you be a member of the British royal family and be broke? I have no idea. >> That whole thing's sketchy. >> Mhm. >> I mean specifically targeting that, too. >> And then after he's convicted in 2007 and she says publicly that she's cut him off. Then she emails him, "I'm so sorry, Jeffrey. I love you. You're the big brother I never had." And then she takes

[37:46] trying to go through this case. How do you find a way to go in with the raid, right, and hit all the cockroaches, >> Right. >> but not, you know, accidentally spray it in grandma's mouth at the same time. >> and and this is where you run into that problem of statutes of limitations again. Because it would be far easier if you could just prosecute these people. And and show the people of every one of these countries involved that it doesn't matter how famous you are or how important you are, we're all equal under the law. And that's just not going to be

[38:16] the case here. All these famous rich people, they're all going to get get with it. It's sick. >> You don't think anyone in the US will go to prison for this? >> I don't. You know, I was talking to a constitutional attorney about this. And he said the only way that this that a prosecution could go forward is if the Justice Department could successfully argue that the cover-up of the original crime continued and constituted a conspiracy. So, you couldn't be

[38:48] you couldn't be prosecuted necessarily for the crime itself. You would be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit the crime. But he said even that is a stretch. >> What about with statutes of limitations though? What about all the stuff we're seeing like in this latest tranche where these things are occurring but a lot of it between 2011 and 2019. I would think there's not a if if if you were doing cannibal acts on kids in 2015, like we would be able to prosecute that.

[39:19] >> some cases. On the on the sex cases, the statute is 5 years. >> Uh >> And so we've missed it. Which, you know what, may have been a part of the plan. Why didn't Joe [ __ ] Biden release all this information? >> you. Every administration, I would argue since Clinton, has covered this up. And that's the thing. >> Absolutely, yes. >> Right? You have Trump in office right now and there's a massive cover-up happening and it should be called out. We will call it out. It is what it is. We'll talk about that more. But every administration, R D, red and blue, has had a chance to put this out. So, all

[39:49] these Democrats who are suddenly just jumping on the train here cuz they can, right? And they can read a question their intern gave them that's an easy slam dunk because they covered this up. It's like I have no energy for those people either. This is this is a systemic problem that has happened to where you're just at a point now where the Democrats are like, "Well, the Clintons are so far past time and they're so old and you know, like we can now we can throw them under the bus. They ain't like that no more." >> Right. >> Uh-huh. But what about the victims then? >> What they don't get >> How how does that benefit the victims in

[40:20] any way? >> And why why you finally get to depose Les Wexner, which How about the fact he was listed as a co-conspirator in the documents? >> See, we never knew that. >> And he's never been interviewed. >> Never. Like where was the FBI all these years? And [snorts] another thing, too. And this this goes back to the very basis of this case. >> [snorts] >> Epstein got a sweetheart deal in 2006, right? And the US attorney for the the

[40:52] whatever it was, the southern district, the central district of Florida, whatever it was. I guess it was the central district. Um has said this is Acosta, who became labor secretary in Trump's first term, said that he was ordered to give this this sweetheart deal. Okay, so where do orders come? Who Who's the only person in in the in the system there who can order a US attorney to do something? That's the attorney general. Well, the attorney general was Alberto Gonzales, who didn't brush his hair in

[41:23] the morning without permission from the president or the vice president, right? He was like legendary for his powerlessness and ill-suit- suiting for the for the position. So was it Bush? Was it Cheney? Who was it that was close enough to Epstein that he would want to swoop in and save Epstein by giving him the sweetheart deal? Nobody's ever answered that question. And Acosta apparently genuinely doesn't know the answer.

[41:54] His order came down from the attorney general. >> I think I believe him on that. >> too. I believe him. >> Cuz he said he I was told he belonged to intelligence. >> Intelligence. >> That's the line. >> That was the word. He belonged to intelligence. >> Well, this gets into that super government >> Mhm. >> kind of thing, cuz it's like you say Bush and Cheney, which makes a lot of sense to me, but not like my whole world view is just like >> Oh, yeah, that's ridiculous. You know, I used to I used to just piss all over people's analysis when they would start

[42:25] talking about the Trilateral Commission >> [laughter] >> and Bilderberg and the Shangri-La Conference. And then somebody to whom I used to be very close used to used to and about whom a court order exists saying I cannot talk about her um in any public forum. She went to one of those events. She was invited because she rose up high enough in the corporate structure that she went.

[42:56] And I I couldn't wait to hear. What was it like? And she said it's a lot of really rich, really important people talking about arms deals. >> Arms deals. >> It was all about arms deals. And she said except for except for Davos. She went to Davos and she said that's where they were all talking about how to manage the global economy. And I said, so so all that shit's true? That they're the ones that sort of set

[43:27] the policy. And she said, yeah, I saw it with my own eyes. >> [snorts] [laughter] >> I >> But I'm I'm not >> you get me a pen and paper? >> allowed to identify who that person is nor will I. >> It's on it's on the counter out there. Usually I I've never needed that before, but I I I may need that today after after hearing that. All right, so the Trilateral Commission for people out there who are unfamiliar, this is something that's been written

[43:59] about a lot in the past and once again it's something that's always written off like, oh god, this is another conspiracy >> theory. >> Well >> But it's right? It's all It's a real thing. >> It is. They even have a website. They have a website. >> What's the website of the Trilateral Commission? >> And and Bilderberg, they list all the people that attend. There's but by name, all these people. And you'll recognize 80% of them. >> Oh, man. Well, I mean, I guess that's hiding in plain sight. But it's something where I

[44:31] I guess what I should say is the connotation of it was where the conspiracy theorists would be saying something and people would be like, "No, it's just this group. It's the It's David Rockefeller." Like >> I know, right? >> Ferdinand Rothschild, you know, and yeah, listen, they we put Clinton on it. He was He was bored after he left office. You know, and then you get Epstein in this this sit-down with Steve Bannon. We we will talk about him. But you get Epstein saying, "Yeah, I was on the Trilateral Commission. And here's how I got on." And he makes it

[45:01] sound so simple. >> Yeah. Right. >> I'm like, "How do you even get there, buddy? You're a kid from Coney Island." >> Yeah, somebody taps you on the shoulder. Next thing you know, you're getting an email. Dave, can you put the camera on John? >> Yeah. >> I I see what you're doing. Mhm. Son of a [ __ ] Really? I knew it, but really? >> Yeah. It was very >> How's she good in there? God damn it. >> very disappointing to me. >> You can't talk about that by court order?

[45:32] >> No, sir. >> Yeah. I already didn't like her. Now I really don't like her. But wow. Wow. >> Yeah, this is the life I've given myself. >> And I'm just Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, this is the life I've given myself. >> [laughter] >> Okay. So, back to the Oh, wait, sweetheart deal cuz we're talking about where that would come from. You know, I'm trying to not let my brain run too wild with now every possible answer is

[46:04] right all over here. It's all like absolutely the worst thing ever, but clearly some of the answers are there. So, without getting to his origin story yet, because that's again, we're going to do that. But you talk about at the Trilateral Commission, they are going over arms deals and everything. And now this is entering your world of things that you have witnessed around the world and how [ __ ] works. What is it about arms deals that would make it the number one priority for the

[46:34] quote-unquote Illuminati >> Well, of the world. >> Of the Pentagon's $1 trillion budget, fully a third goes to weapons and weapons systems. Right? That's just for us. >> Mhm. >> So, couple that with what we're able to sell to other countries whose leaders are at these conferences. I mean, we're talking about, you know, probably a majority of the American economy year after year after year. That's how we employ Americans. I read something recently

[47:05] oh, the Washington Post, the New York Times that the Pentagon has assiduously placed manufacturers or I shouldn't say it placed manufacturers. They have placed orders with manufacturers in literally every one of the 435 congressional districts. So, literally every single member of Congress has constituents who are dependent on the defense economy. On the defense budget.

[47:37] And so, there's no incentive for any member of Congress to vote no on DOD. >> And they're also paid by all those companies. >> Yeah, sure. I mean, it costs what? 5, 8, 10, 20 million dollars to run for Congress? Every 2 years? That money's got to come from somewhere. So, it comes from Defense Department packs. >> They buy them off on the micro and then it wins them the macro when you put the numbers together. Yeah, Dief, what you pull up here? >> Just confirming it. Yeah. >> All right. So, the Washington Post reports that the Pentagon structurally

[48:07] distributes manufacturing and contracting across almost every congressional district to secure broad local political support, making budget cuts difficult. The strategy embeds defense spending into the local economy with analysis showing that despite a high concentration of funds among top contractors, the broader supply chain is deeply embedded in domestic districts. >> And a friend of mine um has a little kind of little mom-and-pop manufacturing plant in Beaver County, Pennsylvania. >> AeroTech International? >> No, no, no. It's a little It's just a little place you've never

[48:38] heard of. >> Got it. >> And he mentioned something to me one time. Oh, this is probably 5 years ago. He mentioned that he is entirely dependent on the Pentagon. And I was like, "The Pentagon? I said, "For what?" Oh, I can't tell you. He said, "It's classified program." I said, "Seriously, George?" Like, I thought he was making, you know, heels for shoes or something. I didn't know what he was making. [laughter] And then later on he told me like, "No, it's this little widget that fits inside, you know, the the motor for a,

[49:08] you know, Patriot missile or something." >> Nice. >> And I was like, "In In Beaver County?" And he's like, "Yeah." And then when I saw that report in the Washington Post, I was like, "Oh, of course. It all makes sense." >> Mhm.
