Title: Pam Bondi's Embarrassing Epstein Hearing
Show: DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas
Date: 2026-02-13
URL: https://youtu.be/rL2Gn9LbwCU
Duration: 8:00

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[00:00] Okay. So, shall we talk about [laughter] Pam? Get Pam Bondi out of the way, too. Um, so Pam Bondi goes to she she goes to Capitol Hill. She's being asked about the Epstein files. Basically, she didn't have much to say about him. Um, you know, my take my answer would have been, listen, we we released three million of these things. We said we were going to do that. I mean, yeah, there's three more million and yeah, they were redacted, but that would have been my talking point. Like, listen, you know, the Biden people never wanted these out.

[00:31] We did it. We said we were going to. Promises made, promises kept would have been my talking point. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. >> And her talking point was basically, "Eat [ __ ] [ __ ] you. You're a bunch of losers. I hate you." And uh and also your mother's fat and uh and you're gay. [laughter] So, um it was I mean the the level of contempt, open contempt on display. I mean, this this is basically members of the administration are just copying Trump, the president's style,

[01:03] right? I mean, that's basically what it says. >> And oh man, I have so much to say about this. And everybody gets away with it. Like, this is what's happened to Decorum in Washington. And I'm not saying this is specific to Donald Trump. It's not. Both sides have just gone over the top. I I I'm going to take exception with Pam Bondi's um attitude and behavior. It was crude. It was rude. It was beneath the office of uh of the attorney general. But then at the same time, what the hell

[01:34] did the Democrats do for four years that Joe Biden was in the White House and these three million documents were just sitting in boxes at the Justice Department? So, I don't want to hear any complaints from the likes of Jamie freaking Raskin. >> Yeah. What aboutism would have been the right uh the right talking point? >> It would have been. >> I don't understand why she chose not to go that route. Um, and she, you know, and she obviously came with pre-armed talking points. I'm going to say either directly given to her by the president or inspired by the president about what we really should be talking about. Of

[02:04] course, this has nothing to do with it is the state of the stock market, the Dow Jones Industrial Average and all that. And like look, >> I mean those numbers are impressive. Donald Trump has always done well with the stock market. Uh, he did in his first term do even when the economy was a little bit skittish overall. you know, the the the you know, whatever investors like him. >> Yeah, I agree with you. >> Um Okay. Well, anyway, it was it was a sight to behold. Um >> you know, at at first when she just like started lashing out, I was like, "You've

[02:36] got to be kidding me. That's what kind of hearing this is going to be." But then again, as soon as the Democrats started talking, I wanted to reach across the, you know, the the table and give him a whack across the uh the face with the back of my hand. Like, where were you when this information first came out in 2006? By the way, also the Democrats don't ask, and this is really interesting, what about the other half? We know you've released half. Um, you know, can

[03:08] we see the other half? I mean, that's just being Yeah. Why is that missing in this discussion? I mean, even among Epste obsessive people, why do they not talk about this? >> Well, as far as the Democrats go, because they don't really care what's in the other half. They just want to do what they can to embarrass the Republicans, >> right? Well, the Republicans are doing a good job at embarrassing >> They stepped right into it. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean I think basically this reminds me so much. God, we keep talking about it's like uh you know the 60s and the 70s, right? This is

[03:40] so much like the Watergate tapes like Yes. You know, I don't want to release them. I don't want to release them. I'm not going to release them. You can't have them. Okay, I'm going to release them. Well, but I'm going to redact them. You know, explosive deleted. Explosive [laughter] deleted. >> Yeah, exactly. I remember my parents my parents saying that. I was a little kid. I was 10 years old when the uh when the Watergate tapes were released and it was always exploive redacted, exploive uh deleted, expletative deleted. And I remember my mom and dad saying that. >> That was a big joke. >> While they were having a conversation

[04:10] with each other and then they would both crack up. >> It was a national joke. >> Yeah. >> And and then uh you know [laughter] and then and then it's like well okay we're going to get them all and we'll get them all later. And I mean basically it's like you know Zeno's paradox right which is the idea [laughter] that you can never really cross a room because you always have to cross half the remaining distance or you'll never quite cross the room. I mean obviously paradox is false but it's sort of like according to the you know a aerodynamics laws helicopters can't fly and yet they do.

[04:42] Um [laughter] >> that's right but but it's similarly but it's it's just like that right I mean it was just sort of like you're just never getting closer. It reminds me God there's so many things like that in LA the metro it inches closer to LAX. It's never going to quite get to LAX, but I mean, and it just it just makes it, you know, rip the band-aid off, Mr. President, right? Just rip it off. Just get it over with. Get it put it behind you. >> That is right. >> Um, John from Jennifer Private, do don't you find it a copout or fault when

[05:14] Epstein is blamed for on Israel and this week Russia? All this happened on US territory and Epstein got a deal from the US DOJ. [sighs] Uh, >> I don't know. This is complicated. >> It It's complicated. Listen, I think this is this is one of those situations where everybody's guilty. Um, and and I don't think I don't think anybody's given anybody a pass. I I believe very strongly that Epstein was working for the Israelis. Uh, but now we know from this latest trunch, he was probably

[05:44] working for for the Brits and probably working for the Americans and may have been working for the Germans. And you know, he was just one of those guys. So >> part the worst part about his unfortunate demise is that we're never going to get the whole story, are we? I mean, >> no. Wouldn't it be great to be able to interview him? >> It would be great. Yeah, it would be great, but it's not going to happen. >> I mean, of course, uh, yeah, I won't make any ridiculous comments about suicide. Um, okay. [laughter]

[06:16] Man, do I not believe that. A question for you, John, from Anak. Why are you so adamant that Epstein could not have escaped? Guards and prison officials get paid off for much less than this kind of money all the time. >> No, they don't. And if you have evidence that they do, present it. But listen, his brother identified the body. His brother accompanied the body to the crematorium for cremation. I think his brother would recognize him. this AI picture and video that everybody's

[06:47] yakking about the last couple of days that purportedly was in wherever Israel someplace. It that's all it is. It's it's AI fantasy. You have to understand how stupid prison guards are. They many of them literally cannot read, let alone implement some complicated multiaceted escape for the highest profile prisoner in the entire federal system. >> Yeah. And in a weird way, the

[07:17] Metropolitan Detention Center has challenges that like rival Alcatraz in terms of getting out. You're in the middle of a densely populated urban area and it's a highrise. Yeah. >> Right. I mean, like >> it is. It's a highrise, >> right? I mean, so you could think about all the floors you have to get down. Um, you know, you can't just go, you know, climb out the window. It's not I mean, climb out, if you got out the window, you're, you know, you're dead anyway. [music]
