Title: Liberty Vault
Show: Liberty Vault
Date: 2025-10-19
URL: https://youtu.be/WUh6o8pBCPg
Duration: 18:00

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[00:00] The big ones were waterboarding, the cold cell, and sleep deprivation. And and the Justice Department never said anything about that. They're like, "Oh, listen. Uh, you know, you can do these techniques, and if you kill him, just bury him out back." Nah, that wasn't the that wasn't the approved operation. >> Was any of it effective? Like, was there any actionable information? >> That's that's the worst part of this. It it No, none of it was effective. Joe Rogan and John Kiryahu just exposed the dark truth about CIA torture

[00:32] programs, whether they were effective, what kind of torture was used in contravention of the US Constitution by our criminal government, and what this means for American policy. Kiryaku is a former CIA official who is a whistleblower that blew the lid off CIA atrocities during the Bush and Cheney terms. So, let's get his take on this. Please like the video and subscribe to the channel. >> They worked with L with LSD for 20 years at least at least 20 years. You know, they there was an operation, it was a

[01:03] sub operation of MK Ultra >> where um they rented a safe house in San Francisco. They recruited a bunch of hookers and had them go out and pick up John's, bring them back to the to the safe house where they thought they were going to get laid, dose them with LSD, and then interrogate them and try to get them to give up their deepest secrets. >> It's like Midnight Climax. >> Yeah. Midnight climax. Exactly. It's like, what? Nobody's agreed to do this.

[01:34] You You haven't informed them properly. These are American citizens. You can't just take people off the streets and and force LSD down there. >> Well, they were running the hate ashberry free clinic. Yeah. >> Until right after a month after Chaos by Tom O'Neal came out. Yeah, >> you're exactly right. >> Yeah. Yeah. My mom my uh wife's mom went there. >> She used to She was a hippie in San Francisco. She went to the Hate Ashbury Free Clinic. >> It was run by the CIA, which is so crazy. And it's totally connected to

[02:05] Manson and the man. >> Oh yeah. Mansa. Exactly. Exactly. Manson was a part of it as well. >> It's so nuts. And they wouldn't have even known about that until they found a stash of documents that connected it all together. >> Yeah. And a lot of the MK Ultra documents were shredded by the CIA. We know that after the Church Committee, that's what happened. And this was their excuse to conduct torture on Americans that, you know, we just need this information so bad that we can just subvert due process. And then several decades later, they're saying, "Well,

[02:36] these are just terrorists. We can torture them under CIA black sites, and you know that that will get around these constitutional limitations, which is an implicit way of saying, hey, the Constitution prohibits this garbage, by the way." And this is just what we put up with from our modern deep state, from our modern CIA. No heads essentially rolled over this. There are a few court decisions in federal courts that, you know, reversed kind of the Bush era strategy for these torture techniques,

[03:07] but at the same time, no one had to pay the price. These were vile crimes that none of us would get away with, but somehow our government gets away with because there's a double standard for government. >> And just think of what's been destroyed, >> right? >> What we could have learned. >> Exactly. We only know a small fraction of what was done. So, is it a case of just they're they're not elected, they're put into power, presidents come and go, and over the course of their career, 20 years plus, they just have so much power and so much ability to get

[03:38] things done that they just bypass the law. >> I I think that is that's the whole story right there in a nutshell. When I was there, I remember being shocked by some of the old-timers who had been there for as long as 40 or 42 years. There was one in particular. He was the national intelligence officer for warning. So he was the one that was supposed to say, you know, I'm worried about what Libya is going to look like 10 years from now and then somebody writes a paper about it. He had been there for 42 years. He had to get a a waiver from the director

[04:09] because he had aged out. Well, these guys make no secret of of their belief that they can outweight pretty much any president. Presidents come and go and these guys are there forever. And so if the president wants him to do something that they don't want to do, they just slow roll it. Just wait until he leaves. >> Yeah. Doesn't that say something about the deep state in general? how much continuity there is in these bureaucrats and the power they wield and the ideas that they hold that they can just wait

[04:40] for a president that is a little more amendable to what they want to do to get in power to actually unleash these crimes if it's more controversial relative to one president than to another. No matter we can just outlast that president. But it's also too bad that most presidents have been complicit with this nonsense. Certainly Bush and Obama were and you know you see this rhetoric of applying those same standards that they said you know would just apply to terrorists but applied

[05:12] inward to the United States where hey if you're a dissident you're a terrorist you know the war on terror has been focused inward and it's been focused inward on a lot of the right you know they were insurrectionists on January 6th they told us right and you know we had to do something for it we had to throw the book at those people. More, you know, jail time toward those people than the criminals that killed, you know, 5 million people overseas in the federal government under the war on terror in general. That's what we get.

[05:42] We get inwardfacing governmental coercion on these things that we're told at first will protect us. No, they will not protect us. They will be a sword against our throat in the future for future presidents. >> And that's the end of it. You know, that's why I say I I've said this in interviews a lot. There is a deep state. You don't have to call it the deep state if you don't want to. You can call it the state. You can call it the federal bureaucracy. You can call it whatever you want. The fact is it exists and it's

[06:13] unelected and it's generally unaccountable to anybody and they just wait for the president to leave if they don't want to do what he wants. >> So, you find out about this torture program. you won't participate. So that puts you on the outs. And when do you know that this is going to be like a significant problem in your career? >> You know, honestly, I didn't know until well after I left the agency. You know,

[06:43] once I I turned this down um and I got this outofcycle promotion for the Abu Beta operation, I was I was named executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for operations. And in that position, you have access to literally everything that the CIA is doing around the world. And so I'm reading these cables coming back from the secret site and people are saying like, "Whoa, I didn't sign up for this. Nobody said we're going to torture

[07:13] people. I quit." And then they come home. Or there was a secretary who fainted once when she happened to be in the room while Abu Zubeda was being tortured. and she curtailed her her assignment. That means she sends a cable to headquarters saying, "I'm coming home. I'm not doing this anymore." That is a careerending decision to curtail an assignment. And I remember thinking, "So, I'm not the only one who thinks this is this is illegal. Certainly,

[07:44] somebody's going to come out and say something." And nobody did. >> Like, what are the techniques that they were using that were like causing her to faint? The big ones were waterboarding, the cold cell, and sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation doesn't sound like any big deal. And when that finally leaked, Don Rumsfeld, who was the Secretary of Defense at the time, made a statement that that still kind of sticks in my mind. He said, "There is no such thing as sleep deprivation." He said, "I have

[08:14] a standup desk in my office. I don't even have a chair in my office and sometimes I'll work 24 hours and then into the next day 36 hours. But that's not what we're talking about here. We know Yeah, that's not what we're talking about. He can eat his Cheetos, eat whatever food he wants, leaves and go as he chooses. There's literally no comparison to being held under sleep deprivation under a CIA interrogation at a at a black site. And a black site means, you know, one of the sites in Syria and Egypt. I think the Bush

[08:46] administration even at one point had to acknowledge their existence once information of this leaked out that they were taking, you know, high prize terrorist interrogation targets to these sites to do this. And these aren't only the only few techniques as we'll talk about in a second, but it's totally vile vile that this was, you know, said by a secretary of defense when the constitution that they're claiming to be champions of, hey, we believe in the constitution and limited government. We're the conservative majority now when the neocons were in power. Well, guess

[09:18] what? That prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. That's exactly what the CIA did. Something we couldn't do. There's no way American citizens could delegate that power to our government cuz we ourselves don't hold that power. Thankfully so. Because we know it's morally wrong when the government does it. I hate to say, well, I love to say actually, it's also morally wrong. Know from the American Psychological Association that people begin to lose their minds at day seven with no sleep and they begin to die. Their organs

[09:50] begin to shut down at day nine. But the CIA was authorized to keep people awake for 12 days. And that was another thing that caused prisoners to just die. They would have heart failure. You know, >> how' they keep them awake? >> You chain them to that eyebolt in the ceiling again. You have these industrial strength lights on them 24 hours a day and like death metal 24 hours on volume 11. And um and they just can't sleep

[10:20] because if they if they collapse, they'll pull their arms out of their sockets. They're chained to that to that eyebolt. >> Jeez, >> it was bad. And then when people would die, they would just dig a hole next to the interrogation building, put them in the hole, cover it up, and then bring the next guy in. >> No questions asked. You think that got a lot of mainstream news coverage? Not exactly. Even when, you know, a lot of the mainstream news was supposed to be against the Bush administration, never

[10:51] was against the war on terror, never was really against the war in Iraq. You know, cheerleled for that, including Judith Miller at the New York Times. This stuff was just buried under a rug where it sat and it never came back to haunt these people and perpetrators involved. No, no crime. Going down for no crimes, no heads rolled over this stuff. It's just so putrid and such a vile part of the American deep state that it's impossible to avoid if you dig into this stuff. It will leave you jaded

[11:22] about the American political system in general. Knowing how much, you know, our political overseers tout how great the United States is, you know, and the our government, how it's so different and, you know, more valuable and more, you know, just than any other government in the world, yet it does these sorts of things. No report, no nothing, >> nothing. There was one guy they reported on and and headquarters wrote back and said, "Just put him on ice until we can figure out what to do." And they let literally just put him in a bathtub and filled it with ice and then just decided

[11:54] a couple days later he started to turn. We should probably bury this guy. >> Wow. >> Yeah, it was ugly. And and the Justice Department never said anything about that. They're like, "Oh, listen. Uh you know, you can do these techniques and if you kill him, just bury him out back." Yeah, that wasn't the that wasn't the approved operation. >> Was any of it effective? Like, was there any actionable information? >> That's that's the worst part of this. It it No, none of it was effective. >> Yeah, man. This is just gruesome and

[12:26] vile. It is some of the worst things that the government has engaged in during my lifetime. It's so glad I'm so glad to hear John Kiryaku of all people talk about it. He's a literal hero for exposing this stuff from inside the CIA. At great risk to himself, by the way, so protect him at all costs. But he also needs a pardon. He needs a pardon for the same reason that Julian Assange and Edward Snowden do for unmasking the evils of the state that play out. And when you do that, when you're

[12:56] transparent with the public, you about crimes that have been committed, that is no crime whatsoever. He deserves medals and immediate pardon right now. Do I think that's going to happen? No, I don't think that's going to happen because a lot of those tools on the war on terror is something that governments regardless of who the president is at the time cling to for their own protections and to sell as protecting the American public. But just I mean just look at this. This is just vile. Andrew Npalitano had an article last

[13:28] year about how during the trial of Khaled Shake Muhammad who which is still going on. He was one of the architects of 9/11, probably the primary architect of 9/11 essentially within al-Qaeda. They're talking about the witnesses they have for the government. And the government's trying to claim that a lot of the terrorist revelations uh that were given were done voluntarily despite, you know, acknowledging a lot of this torture that happened and things that happened at these CIA black sites were just so horrific. You know, some of

[13:58] these people were raped in in ways that I won't even describe on this video. It's that's this is in addition to the water boarding and cold cell and sleep deprivation. And Andrew Npalitano was talking about how the government can't even maintain its case when they have some witnesses like basically telling the truth, letting the mass slip a little bit about what actually happened, including one that, you know, was on record saying that he would slit the throat of the son of one of these terrorists they were torturing. It's just so horrific. I mean, I I think what

[14:30] he says here is just so clairvoyant and so true. The Bush Cheney torture regime and its Devil's Island at GMO are among the darkest events perpetrated by a modern American presidency. So true. But that's not it. I mean, in 2014, we actually got a a Senate Intelligence Committee report about torture that was perpetrated by the Bush administration. This is the Washington Post. It's essentially a neocon rag. But even it built this site to show how horrific and

[15:00] atrocious and heinous these crimes were. And you can just click on these individual things that they put in the document and how it's clarified. Number one, it wasn't even an effective means of acquiring intelligence that was borne out in this document by the Senate. By the way, it rested on inaccurate claims of their effectiveness. like they had drumed up this, you know, campaign to claim that this was effective techniques to extract real information, but it really wasn't. It was brutal and far worse than the CIA represented,

[15:31] especially in public. You can read about that, too. It impeded White House oversight, as if the White House really wanted oversight over this, by the way. Bush totally was complicit, but that's what they claim in this report. You know, deeply flawed throughout the program's duration. All these things, you know, just spell disaster. These would not be appropriate defenses. If we were caught in these acts, if we tortured another person by sleep deprivation or or raped them or, you

[16:02] know, cold cell or waterboarding, we'd be put behind bars for a long time. Doesn't happen when it comes to the government. They get out of the scot-free. But like I said, John Kiyaku, just a chilling podcast in general with Joe Rogan. really awesome podcast in general to listen to. If you listen to the entire thing, I highly recommend it. The original link is in the description. And I think he's just a hero in my mind. I will listen to anything that man says. The man's honest. He said things that were at great risk to his own reputation

[16:34] and life, spending, you know, years in jail for this, I believe. And, you know, that's just the truth. CIA torture is a real thing. It's a real thing to grapple with and it's just another reason why the CIA must be abolished. You can't reform that monster. You can't put John Ratcliffe at the head of the CIA and just say, "Oh, hey, everything's good now. Everything's reformed." You can't name Tulsi Gabbard the director of national intelligence and be like, "All right, well, the CIA's turned, you know, turned a new page in its history and now

[17:05] it's a good force for protecting Americans." It's not. Regardless of what you think of Tulsi Gabbard or John Ratcliffe, the latter is especially vile. He was, you know, the architect of expanding FISA 702 while in Congress, by the way. You can read up on that if you want. But I'm glad for this podcast. Thank you for shedding light on this, John. Thanks, Rogan, for having him on. What do you think about this? What does this say about the CIA? Does it just need to be abolished? Do heads need to roll? Will this behavior continue if

[17:35] heads don't roll? Let me know in the comments down below. Like the video, subscribe to the channel. Also, subscribe to Joe Rogan. Thanks, Joe, for this interview. And if you like my video and my commentary, please consider becoming a YouTube member if you click the join button below. You can help support my channel. I will graciously appreciate that if you do. And in return for that deed, I will give you access to all my videos before they go live to the general public on YouTube. And until I see you guys next time, no more war, no more debt, no more inflation, and no more empire. Peace out, guys. Catch you

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