Title: Finding Truth With Harjeet
Show: Finding Truth With Harjeet (English)
Date: 2026-04-09
URL: https://youtu.be/_j2hACrlzVA
Duration: 157:00

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[02:32] >> Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa and Waheguru Ji Ka Fateh. Um, and good morning, good evening, wherever you are, ladies and gentlemen. Today, um, I am here with a very, very special, uh, broadcast or live stream on, um, a breaking news. Um, a really high-end revelation by an very high-ranking ex-CIA official, which has really set the geo not just, um, the

[03:02] overall Twitter stream, um, discussion on Twitter alive, but has also, uh, set off many, uh, you know, deep-seated, uh, long issues which have been pending resolution and have brought them to fore. Today, we are going to discuss the latest revelations by an ex-CIA official, a very high-ranking official, whose name is John Kiriakou, regarding India's hand in Air India 182 bombing.

[03:32] Air India 182 was a flight which actually was bombed in 1985, in which 329 innocent civilians had died, 82 of them children, and 268 out of them Canadian citizens. Before 9/11, this was the biggest incident of aviation terrorism in human history. From the time that this incident happened, there have been so many questions. There have been court cases, inquiries,

[04:02] but in all the court cases, almost all the major accused got scot-free. There were sham public inquiries by the Canadian establishment which had some terms of reference which never allowed it to fix responsibility for the bombing in spite of so much of evidence being available about the people who were involved in the bombing. We've had trail of money that has been tracked publicly with all the evidence available to the main financer of this particular

[04:32] terror act which was traced to the Indian government. We've had CSIS investigators, the Canadian intelligence investigators who actually investigated this particular act of terrorism whistleblow and share information that they had full evidence that Indian state was involved or Indian agencies were involved in this act of terror. However, they had to suppress all that evidence because of the Canadian politicians deciding to give more priority to good

[05:05] trade relations with India versus letting the public know the truth. We've had unending number of witnesses, five to six first-hand witnesses who came to the court case and shared evidence against the main accused in the bombing, but all of them, in spite of that evidence, were let go off free except one person who was given a very light sentence for killing. We've had not just the CSIS

[05:36] investigators, but also 22 congressmen from US Congress actually signed a letter to US government in year 2000 asking for India to be sanctioned as a state sponsor of terror for the bombing that it conducted of this flight. However, in spite of all this evidence, we've never the public discourse has or the public spotlight was never put on to this dastardly act and who the main conspirators were. Even today, the main

[06:08] conspirators live we don't know, maybe some of them are not living, but they are scot-free. Justice has still not been done. But, in this long stream of evidence which has been building up about the hand of the Indian state in this dastardly terror act, we now have one new nail in that coffin. And that nail comes from nobody else. It doesn't come from a average Tom, Dick, and Harry, average person like me.

[06:39] It comes from none other than one of the higher ranking ex-CIA officials. His name is John Kiriakou. Recently, last week, while giving an interview to Chris Hedges, Chris Hedges is another Pulitzer Award-winning journalist, John revealed what was already an open secret, which is kind of an open talk in the intelligent circles, which is that the

[07:09] Indian agencies blew up this Boeing 747 in 1985 named as Kanishka. And that bombing was engineered by the Indian agencies reportedly to defame and delegitimize the Sikh freedom struggle called Khalistan. So, today we are going to go through the these latest revelations and I will not only walk you through these revelations, I'll also walk you through some of the other evidence that we have.

[07:40] So, without further ado, let us listen to what John Kiriakou had to say. And I'm going to play his video off for you guys. Okay. So, this was the interview he gave to Chris Hedges, and there are twice he brings up the name of the the the case of Kanishka or Air India 182 bombing.

[08:12] This is the first time that he talks about it. Let me play the video. that carried out acts of terrorism against its own people. Look at Israel that has carried out assassinations all over the world. Or we could even point the finger at the at the government of India for that matter, for carrying out assassinations and terrorist attacks in Canada, blowing up a 747, no less. So, really the complaint that I have

[08:43] with this designation, this terrorism designation Let me play that out again. Again. That's a great example, but but look at others. Look at the let's say the Greek military junta, for example, that carried out acts of terrorism against its own people. Look at Israel that has carried out assassinations all over the world. Or we could even point the finger at the

[09:13] at the government of India for that matter, for carrying out assassinations and terrorist attacks in Canada, blowing up a 747, no less. So, really the complaint that I have Amazing. Amazing. So, so this is John Kiriakou alleging that Indian were behind the Air India 182 bombing. The blowing up the 747 jet in Canada on

[09:44] the Canadian soil, killing total 329 innocent people. 82 of them children and 268 out of them Canadian citizens. And it's kind of quite like it's amazing how he how he talks about it because in this interview he talks about Israel having committed crimes. He talks about Greek military junta junta and then in that mix he puts in India right up there. And and if you if you kind of understand

[10:16] a bit of body language, you have to see when he talks about India. He has this indignation when he says India. And then when he talks about blowing up aircraft in Canada, look at the way his eyes lit up and the way he's surprised that how can how come this happened? How come this third world country come to a western country and blow up a plane and get away with it? Let me play this out again for you if you are watching on the watching it on the um on the video that I have. Just play this

[10:47] out again. See how he how he actually reacts when he talks about this terror act by Indian state. Greek military junta, for example, that carried out acts of terrorism against its own people. Look at Israel that has carried out assassinations all over the world. Uh we could even point the finger at the at the government of India for that matter for carrying out assassinations and terrorist attacks in Canada, blowing up a 747

[11:18] no less. No less. A 747 no less. Let me just uh and this is now almost kind of more than halfway through the interview. He brings up India again without any hint or any kind of prompt from the interviewer. He basically brings up India again on his own and let me play that play this out for you guys. This is the second time he talks about India in the interview. Uh very poor planning. We could say the same thing about the Indians.

[11:49] In that, you know, the Indians support their own Kashmiri separatist groups, extremist groups. And and it's the Indians that blew up the 747 in Canada. It's the Indians that carry out hits or attempted hits against Sikh activists or or Indian leftists or anti-Hindu nationalists in places like Canada or the UK. There's plenty of blame to go around. Amazing. Let me let me play that again for you when he talks about And here

[12:20] he's accusing India of not just Air India 182 bombing. He is accusing India of other murders that have recently been in the news in UK and in Canada. And he also talks about the attempted hits in US for which we have a couple of Indian terrorists currently in US custody in New York. So, let's talk about that again. And it's the Indians that blew up the 747 in Canada. It's the Indians that carry out

[12:50] hits or attempted hits against Sikh activists or or Indian leftists or anti-Hindu nationalists in places like Canada or the UK. There's plenty of blame to go around. And and not to even begin to discuss what the CIA does on a daily basis. Okay. Now, one thing I really find interesting is he he lays very very specific allegations against India, but he talks about other agencies as well.

[13:21] But like in there, he doesn't lay out any specific allegation. There's no specific allegation against CIA. He said, "Oh, CIA does this. Uh he does you know, Mossad does this. Assassination. Blah blah blah." But like, he never laid out any particular incident like being very specific. Then he talks about Greek military junta and other dictators and all doing it. But in case of India, he goes very very specific. So, I find it very interesting. And another thing I noticed is like how when he talks about this, he talks about it as if like this

[13:51] is just common knowledge. Like nobody should be surprised. Like nobody in in my world, that's what he's saying, nobody in my world in the intelligence world is surprised. Hey, it's India. They've carried out the 747. We know it. We knew it all along. And and that is exactly and he's totally right. I totally agree with him because he is not the only one saying it. If he was a lone guy saying it, we would have said maybe he's gone mad. But we have two confirmed CSIS investigators who

[14:23] have said this. And I'll walk you through that evidence. We have one CSIS Asia Pacific Bureau Chief who has written so in a book in a published book, Nest of Spies, that Indians were behind it. We have court evidence wherein we have all the the main accused, the financier, having all his money being taken from the Indian government through a millions of dollars of loan that he got from the Indian government. And then we have a sham public inquiry

[14:55] which we know was given terms of reference that you are not going to investigate any government of India. You're not going to fix responsibility for the bombing. And then we have also the main accused, the financier of this entire operation, having deep linkages with India, having been welcomed by the Indian government, treated, given a red carpet. Unfortunately, unfortunately, he's been murdered. And we'll talk about it, but let's talk about some of the other people. He's not the lone only

[15:26] one. We have other people saying the same stuff. So, let me pull up some of the other claims on this. Okay, here you go. Here is this book by the CSIS bureau chief. And I'm going to just read verbatim from it, okay? This Nest of Spies. I think this was published around 2004. Yuno Katsuwon. And this is what he says. He has a full one chapter devoted to Air India 182.

[15:57] And I quote, "Flight 182 isn't just a tragedy. It is also a Pandora's Box with a Latin weight of Canada's entire governmental apparatus still sitting on the lid and trying to keep it shut." "Concealed inside, apart from the murderers, is the dark history of India itself in the form of steely-eyed agents bent on settling New Delhi's accounts and prepared to cross anybody's borders in order to do so." "How would Canadians feel if it were known that India's agents provocateurs

[16:30] had pulled just one tiny thread in making this disaster come about? Or at best had known that it was going to happen and chosen to stand aside." "What might Canadians do if they do discover if they discover that our authorities had tolerated foreign interference that was bound to spill quantities of blood for no other reason than to ensure the continued prosperity of corporate interests and the untroubled afternoon teas of our diplomats."

[17:02] I think he's spot-on when he kind of characterizes this incident because we know through this is some of the paper cutting that you're currently seeing. These are the news reports that immediately came out after the bombing wherein CSIS and RCMP was leaking all the, you know, information they had about the Indian hand and their suspects being primarily the Indian Consulate. Here is an excerpt, you know, from the great investigative work that was done

[17:32] by two two, I would say, very credible journalists, one from Global and Mail, another from uh Toronto Star. And their account was based upon the disclosures by two CSIS investigators who were actually involved in the investigation of this bombing. And I quote from the book, quote, "So convinced had CSIS become of the Government of India connection that at one Air India task force meeting a CSIS agent had seriously suggested that if you really want to clear the incidents

[18:03] quickly, take vans down to the Indian High Commission and the consulates in Toronto and Vancouver, load up everybody and take them down for questioning. We know it and they know it that they are involved." Not just that, in this particular book, they actually laid out the entire conspiracy. This book was published in 1988 where they laid out that the main financer was Ripudaman Singh Malik, quote unquote plant of India, who was given $2 million worth of credit line by the Indian government through its bank

[18:33] in Vancouver City. And that particular person was the main financer of these extremist element or what I call foot soldiers who were then trying to put a bomb-laden baggage on the aircraft. All these the all these people were named, Mr. Bagri, Reyat, Ripudaman Singh Malik in 1988 itself in a book, a public book. But CSIS and RCMP slept for 16 years. They did nothing. Then year 2000, suddenly they wake up and they have to charge all these people who are named in

[19:03] this book. And they have to charge not because of some great investigative work, but they have to charge because there are witnesses who came out on their own. the prime witness being the girlfriend of Ripudaman Malik, the Indian implant himself, who actually came to CC herself as she could no longer answer her consciousness and she revealed that hey, in moments of weakness this person Ripudaman Malik confessed to me what his role was in this entire bombing operation. That he was the one who prepared these suitcases and hired these

[19:34] people to put these bags on this aircraft. And not just her, we had two other witnesses, Mr. A, Mr. B, who actually witnessed, gave witness in the court first hand that Ripudaman Malik himself came and told them to put these bomb-laden baggages on the aircraft. But Ripudaman Malik goes scot-free. Four accused people are accused in that case, all goes scot-free except one guy. One guy who is given five years in the

[20:06] main trial for manslaughter, but in a related trial 10 years, so let's say 15 years for manslaughter, which is not part in being part of the conspiracy, which basically is unintentional killing. That he prepared some equipment or bought some equipment which was eventually used in the bombs. So we never knew who the main conspirators were. All of these guys walked free. We never knew we were told we will never knew because the CC agents already told us in their book that the the Canadian

[20:39] government has already done a deal with the Indians that they are not going to name the Indian government. That they are going to bury their head and they don't want to destroy the diplomatic relations, they don't want to destroy the trade relations between India and Canada. Money is way, way more important than the blood of the innocents. So what if the Indian government in its foolishness, you know, did one act of terrorism? So the Canadian government fired six diplomats of India in 1986 and that's it. That was And then when the families cried for justice, people cried for

[21:11] justice, and the witnesses themselves came out, they ran a trial, all the evidence was there, but then the judge, after all the evidence was presented, first-hand witnesses, the judge very conveniently dismissed everything as undeniable, not worth of, you know, uh you know, uh not kind of conclusive enough, and everybody walked free, except one guy for manslaughter. And then, under pressure from the public, the Canadian government installed a inquiry. Inquiry. People were given a false impression that this public inquiry will

[21:43] be something like a truth commission where all the information will be shared, but no, it was a clever ploy. That inquiry had actually forbidden the commissioner from fixing responsibility for the bombing. He was specifically forbidden from going into any evidence of any foreign government involvement, especially the Indian government involvement. He was only to look after things like airport security, lack of coordination between RCMP and CSIS, and, you know, uh what can we do better in terms of security coordination between our agencies, blah blah blah, but

[22:13] nothing about the conspiracy or who is responsible for the bombing. The excuse that the government gave for these kind of terms of reference were They said, "We didn't want to jeopardize our chances of litigation because this might go to We might Investigation is still open. We might go to trial tomorrow, so we didn't already some accused got off, so we didn't want to jeopardize chances of future litigation." That was the excuse given to to give these kind of for very restrictive terms of reference.

[22:44] So, on paper, the RCMP still has this investigation, I call, open, but the reality is that they are not running it. It is already buried. RCMP cannot investigate a hostile act by a foreign actor. CSIS has that all that intelligence. It is a political element which has to let go, but the political element is already compromised. They have already agreed with India to abide their hand and this is exactly what today John Kiryakou exposed. John Kiryakou today came on on a YouTube social media channel and exposed the fact that we know in the

[23:16] intelligence circles who was behind this which are the Indians. The Indians blew this plane up. Let's play it play it out again and and I have certain listeners here very interesting listeners. I I see Marshall here. I don't know Marshall if you're going to take speakers. But uh feel free to take speaker. My I'm almost at the end of my main speech. I would love to kind of get more views on what people think about these latest revelations. And I'm sending you guys speaker.

[23:49] But uh what is the what is really important is like what people need to understand is that why did Indian government do it? Like some of you might have this question like why did the Indian government blew up a 747? What what would they gain? They gained a lot because in 1984 the Indian government at um conducted a genocide of the Sikh minority. Sikhs uh who are 2% of the Indian population but are sizable uh fifth largest religion in the world um you know were were demanding some political rights within the Indian setup which the Indian government didn't want to give. So it ended up conducting a um

[24:20] a military operation against their holiest place of worship called the Barsana in Amritsar and then also conducted a genocide of 35,000 innocent Sikhs on the streets of national capital of India and across 119 other cities. So they were that had caused you know the Sikhs um in India as well as in diaspora to rally together for a cause of separatism for to get separate from India and have an independent state. And that movement was called Khalistan movement and it got a lot of sympathy across around the

[24:51] world. And so the Indian state and Indian agency were under a lot of pressure and what better way to come out of that pressure than actually conduct a terror attack and then blame the Sikhs for it. And that's what they did. They got in touch with their Canadian friends and said, "Hey, we just want to go and bomb this one particular aircraft. Would you mind looking the other way?" And and I don't know whether they looked the other way at the time of planning, but they definitely looked the other way the Canadian intelligence after the bombing was done, even after knowing that the Indians are behind it. So, the Indians blew up this plane and then

[25:24] overnight the whole story the world over was changed. The Sikhs from being victims of state terrorism were now portrayed as these extremist religious fanatics who are out for the blood of the innocents. And the Indian government flipped that story and overnight they used this particular incident to label an entire community as fanatic, as extremist. They killed their own people to create this kind of an impression and then blamed their own people,

[25:55] another group of people under their own rule as the ones who are fanatic and extremist. An entire community, an entire religion, millions of people were blamed. I have met many Canadians uh diaspora Sikhs who were young at that point in time. They were in schools. They got this stigma against their name called a terrorist. People have called me up and shared the experiences of what experience they had growing up as a young Sikh in Canadian schools post this particular

[26:26] terror attack. People would call them terrorist right there in their face. A whole community defamed for what? For nothing. For basically demanding their own rights. And the people who did the act are the ones who are doing the blaming. But as they say, you know, the truth is hard to hard to hide. Um the the mountain of evidence from whistleblowers, from court documents, from leaks, from

[26:58] conscientious objectors or whistleblowers like John Kiriakou is mounting up. This is in the level of evidence that we have now, which questions and clearly points at the hand of the Indian government, deserves an answer. The Canadian government will not be able to escape for too long. Very soon, a mainstream media outlet will pick up the story. This story will be picked up. And I say the ghost of Air India 182

[27:30] won't die, won't go away until the public is told the full truth. Okay, with that, um, I have Max Steel, whose hand is up. Max Steel, how are you? Welcome to Khalsa Vibhuti Uh, haan ji, paaji, Vibhuti Khalsa Vibhuti Khalsa Um, haan ji, haan ji, paaji, yeah, I mean, it's a good thing that well, right, that this this is come out, but I think, um, uh, the Canadian government is doing the repeating the same story all over again, like they killed her, uh, Hardeep Singh Nijjar, right? And the Canadian

[28:01] government, they went ahead and buried it again, buried it again. I think this is the modus operandi. This is just how the basically this Canadian state is in is hands in glove with India. And, uh, even with this Air India bombing, they actually probably knew beforehand that this was going to happen. Uh, and they just let it happen. So, um, I I personally I don't know what's I mean, what's going to come of it or how far this is going to go, because, uh, the this Canadian government, they're hell-bent on burying

[28:32] it and just, uh, move forward with their so-called relationship with India. Um, and I mean, it's a good thing it's coming I mean, I think the the reason what it's more credible is because it's coming from a CIA agent. Uh if it was coming out of a Canadian resource or a security member intelligence member, it would not have been as credible as credible as it is now. But I think you have to we're just going to have to wait to see, right? How far

[29:02] this goes because uh Canada's going to do whatever they can to parade and uh just going to like cover it cover it up with misinformation. Yeah, Max, I kind of agree with you and it's very unfortunate I I see it. But um I was honestly, like when I was investigating this, I I started reading the court documents and and the um the commission reports and uh all the incidents that happened prior to the bombing, it was clear to me that

[29:33] the Canadian elements in Canadian government definitely knew about what's going on. I was not actually and I'll I'll I'll claim like I'm guilty of it. I didn't talk about that evidence much because in my heart I thought that that can't be true. Like the Canadian government can't be looking the other way when they were planning. Maybe they messed up post the event. But honestly, if you if you look at the testimony from uh Mr. Bartleman. I think I've forgotten

[30:03] his first name. He he's on record that he had conclusive evidence before the bombing that this is going to happen. And he went with that piece of evidence, that wiretap of some consulate's Indian India's consulate, to the RCMP officer in charge of the ops room on that day. And he was basically told to shut up and run away. And when he gave the testimony in commission, the basically the Canadian government went after him saying he's lying. And Mr. Bartleman is not an ordinary guy. I

[30:35] think he rose to be a premier of a state. And so so there's there's all this um kind of I think the Yeah, but I but I don't and you're right I think we shouldn't expect anything out of the Canadian government. They they are now stuck in this. They they have done the deal with the devil. And but I hope for for the sake of Canada. Like how does Canada recover from this? Like the Indian state indulge in that terror attack and now it is killing citizens what of Canada we we have

[31:06] I think Kiriyako now basically say that the Indians were involved behind the murder of Sardar Hardeep Singh Nijjar which is now a publicly known fact like nobody even questions that. And and the look we have the Prime Minister of Canada doing trade deals with India after that and then kind of just telling his own people oh no no we are so poor Canadians we are so poor. So what? If a brown Canadian have been killed it is some kind of a foreign dispute. We

[31:36] can keep that on the side and we can deal with the Indian and they'll be nice with us and now suddenly we'll have rivers of dollars coming our way. That's the kind of I don't know like it it's just it's just beyond me like what's going on with Canada but sorry Marshall go ahead. Thanks for coming and joining Marshall but I don't know how you feel about it like as I am an immigrant American a Sikh immigrant to America Max is probably an immigrant Sikh to Canada but I don't know how you feel

[32:07] about it once you know all this story a white Canadian probably born in Canada like how do you feel like what's going on? But it's crazy right? It's exactly what what Max said. It's the Canadian government knows about this has always known about it. I said it to you Hardeep too in our conversations. It's there's no doubt the Canadian government knew about this in the beginning. I think I I you're right and about it before

[32:37] and it actually went down and they kind of let it happen. I don't see how anybody looking at all the evidence can conclude anything else at all and you know, it was it was something else to hear John Kiriakou just drop that casually just casually drop that as if it was common knowledge. You know, and the guy he's known for telling the truth. That's what he gets in trouble for not for lying. He gets in trouble for telling the truth. So he just drops what he knows casually but you know, everybody knows it. So as a

[33:09] Canadian citizen it bothered me cuz and it's not just India, right? It's the last few years it's become clearer and clearer. We're in bed with China. We're in bed with Iran. We got terrorists running all over the place. We got, you know, communist Chinese running police stations here. Apparently, you know, they've taken over entire ridings where nobody can elect anybody without it being a you know, a CCP at least a cheese and you know, we none of us think it's a cheese. We all think they're a CCP at this point.

[33:40] So you know, India was kind of the first our government's and it's not just the liberals it's the conservatives as well. It's that is that is also clear. They have their hand in covering up Air India. They had their hand in covering up China. You know, and they make a big deal about it now but who who can trust them? That if they get elected instead of the liberals that they're going to come in and do something about it. I don't think they will. I don't think anything's ever going to be done about Air India. I think the entire Canadian political landscape needs to be totally

[34:11] disrupted. It needs this this filth that's going on for years now. It needs to stop and it's I I agree with what you say. I try not to be too superstitious or whatever about it but the ghosts of Air India are not going to go away until there is some justice. And it's it's time for that justice to come out. It's not going to happen in our current political system. We're just Something's wrong with this country. Maybe we need the outside money that badly. But our governments, our political parties are uninterested uninterested in

[34:43] doing the right thing. That's what I think about it. Yeah, no, absolutely. And I just thought I think it's just it's probably has to come from outside and and um I don't know what Well, let's talk technically about this interview like the way I have listened to this whole interview of John, but also for audiences who don't know John. John is um ex-CIA official on papers. He served God knows how much he's still serving. Nobody knows, but on papers he served

[35:14] from 1990 till 2004. Um he was um their chief of counterterrorism in Pakistan post-9/11. Probably one of the most uh uh important positions uh and you could hold in CIA at that point in time post-9/11. Um he was the one who kind of became a whistleblower um because he he brought to um to the attention of the government um the uh he spoke about uh spoke about

[35:46] against waterboarding and he called it torture. So, he was a bit of a conscientious objector when he he he he he he he basically called it torture and while he himself did not do it, he he called it out. Uh so, the government uh obviously didn't like him for that, but uh it gained him a lot of respect worldwide. Um I think people listen to John today um for for for a guy who who who does what is right and um um and so so I I think his word carries a lot of credibility.

[36:16] What the Indians are going to do now and their propaganda machine probably is is to now wait and come out and they'll not kind of dispute his facts. They will try to dispute him and his credibility. That's going to happen, but uh but there's no going back from here. This is too high a level and allegation. They can't just Right now there is dead silence. While we are blaming Canada honestly in all this, imagine India has 1.5 billion people. Its diaspora is so educated.

[36:47] People getting into the CEO positions. They know this. Now they they've seen the evidence. They understand it. But like there is not a single mainstream news channel in India which today is questioning its government that hey, there are these people saying this. What answer do you have? They don't even ask a question which actually tells you that India is not a democracy. All this foolhardy, you know, impressions that people carry that India is some kind of a democracy

[37:19] is is I would say like it's beyond me because look at it like not a even a question can be asked by their news channels to their government. Any news channel in India which decides to pick this story or even ask government this question, they won't be remain there tomorrow. They won't see next day. It will be off airs. And so so the Indian regime is a very very authoritarian regime, uh way worse than Soviet Union. And and the evidence is in front of you. You will see the Indian media will keep

[37:50] quiet on this. Uh and then uh their IT cell and the people that they have hired in the West, people like Terry Milewski. Terry Milewski is actually a CBC {quote} and {quote} a TV anchor. He appointed himself or and I had announced himself as this expert on Air India 182 bombing. But but he very conveniently he will never pick up any piece of information or evidence which actually indicts the Indian government. He very conveniently he knows that

[38:22] people don't have the memory or the patience to read these lengthy court documents, to read these lengthy, you know, commission reports. Who's going to go and read all that? So, hey, I am this TV anchor, so they'll believe what I say. So, I'll pick up these selective pieces of information. Look, this guy who was charged, Talwinder Parmar, he was the terrorist, he was the murderer. But, he will very conveniently hide that there are also two CSIS agents who are claiming that hey, it was the Indian government who was behind it.

[38:52] You know, so this is called disinformation like or misinformation I call it because you are not kind of technically lying, though he is lying also in many cases and I'll point out when he lies, but you share selective information to build a fake narrative. And so, he will hide all these pieces of information he has been hiding all through while under false belief that nobody from the Sikh community will come and show this evidence to the people. You know, Sikhs, these are just, you know, normal average blue-collared work people who who have no idea, you know,

[39:24] what's going on in the world. But, he's mistaken, he's sadly mistaken. Uh he's going to lose his credibility and I can tell you today he's going to die a very lonely man because his own kids will know I've known that he has family. They will know what their father did all throughout his life, basically hide the murderers of 329 people. So, that's why I call like this story is as much about these victims as much about what I call the scum of the earth, people like Tarli Mulaski, you know, who who kind of for just couple of dollars will actually

[39:56] betray their own country, Canada, and then will try to hide They're They're almost They're They're way worse, I will tell you, than the people who actually put the bomb on the plane, way worse. Because these guys are smart enough to know what's going on. And they're deliberately doing it for their pecuniary benefit. They're trying to shield the Indian government. You will see Terry Miluskey will never ever objectively talk about all the evidence that is out there against the Indian government. And he's going to come out, if he comes out now, if he dares to come

[40:27] out, and he'll try to character assassinate John Kiryakou. You just watch it. I'm giving to you here. You see, either he'll remain quiet on this, or he'll come out and try to assassinate He will never demand that hey, Canadian government, can you please answer why is this high-ranking CIA official saying this? Never ever. So, maybe that's what his right punishment is. Um that's how he he will Sorry, I'm getting a phone call. But um

[40:58] but uh yeah, I'm seeing as requested. I'm seeing is here. But I'm curious like um let me um um I'm curious I'm seeing um how what do you how do you take when this news came out, when you saw this interview? What was your reaction? Oh, I would just call call someone to give a day. Um yeah, I mean, I thought that it was um it was surprising. It kind of came out of nowhere, didn't it? Um though the understanding has always been there. There are other intelligence

[41:29] officials in the past from Canada and that have, you know, made clear what their suspicions uh not even suspicions, right? What their kind of conclusions are about what has occurred, um how India has sponsored that act of terror that occurred. Um I just just a couple of thoughts that I had from listening to the entire interview. The first is that he he opens the interview by discussing the definition of terrorism, right? And

[42:01] how for some reason it gets applied to Iran, but not, you know, any other state when terrorism really is defined as a political um an act of terror or some action to instill terror in a population for political purposes and he he sees no reason why you know states should not be given the same label and the interviewer then asks him

[42:35] Can you help us understand the context around Iran as a state sponsor of terror? What other examples can you offer the audience you know to just just have a comparison right and um he gives multiple of examples and then he gets to India and um and and yeah I mean you've probably discussed a lot about what he said about the the bombing of Air India

[43:06] but I think it's also interesting to know when he mentions Israel as a sponsor of terror and their targeted assassinations of dissidents like the leaders of Hamas and and you know other um I don't know bad actors that that are perceived by states um and those acting against their interests he basically says that you the reason Israel does it is to take out

[43:37] um the leaders of of their opposition so that those that come in place of it are more rigid you know and easier to assassinate politically right and to garner support around in attacking and if you look at what's happened with the the idea of um Hardeep Singh Nijjar you have the opposite right you have the opposite outcome which you know I think all six worldwide can be pretty proud of. Um you know, SFJ's response in carrying

[44:10] on what is in a completely non-violent movement um that is democratic in nature. It is not radical, right? You don't have replacement leadership of Hardeep Singh Nijjar that's more rigidized, right? In fact, they're harder to uh critique politically and they they um and the Sikh diaspora seems to consolidate around those efforts. And

[44:40] you see the WSO and you know, just the general Canadian American Sikh population um you know, rallying behind the cause in in a way that is not radicalized. So it's just really sad for India, right? Where you know, Israel has been able to uh No, no, but no No, no, but but but I I don't find a single I think honestly like I don't find a single example where America is blowing up its own plane and

[45:11] we have so much evidence. Right. I mean, those are false flags. >> Okay, so No, no, but No, no, but but No, but I I don't Yeah, assassination is Yeah. >> assassination >> that's fine. I'm saying Yeah. In uh 1975, the president signed an executive order banning the CIA from going around the world assassinating people. >> I'm I'm I am I I think I have no issue with if India is going around and assassinating its enemies, okay? Every country does it. But I will have which country Give me one example. I don't even have North Korea on this list.

[45:42] Which is blowing up its own 329 people. 700 actually, if the other plane are also blown up. 700 people and what is the aim? 700 of own people not technically. Technically, they were Canadian. But blowing them up to blame another group of their own people. Whom India is saying are our citizens and they are so happy within us. The Sikhs are if Indians, they are really happy with us. This kind of evil

[46:14] Honestly, this is evil. It's evil beyond you can think of. I have not seen. If I see an evidence, I would I would blame that country. But I don't count like Israel going and killing killing in a Hamas leader is very different than Israel coming and killing, you know, Hardeep Singh Nijjar who is a who is a civilian doing a referendum whom India is saying they are part they are really happy with us. And or India blowing up its own plane. Maybe Israel has blown up its own plane, but if that evidence come, I'll believe

[46:45] it. But right now we know India has blown up its own plane. With 260 and then and to add to this is this irony that 268 out of these 329 people were technically Canadians. And it also brought out like this I won't call it systemic, but like there is an element of racism. Like you can't hide behind it. And it's I don't blame Canada for it, but the fact is it is there.

[47:16] The Canadian Prime Minister, I am told the Canadian Prime Minister called up the Indian Prime Minister and consoled him for the loss. This aircraft took off from Canada. 80% of the people on the board were Canadian citizens. Indian Prime Minister has to call up the Canadian PM condoling him, but there's a Canadian PM calling up the Indian PM and it took 20 years for any Canadian Prime Minister to even show up on the memorial

[47:48] of the victims of Air India 182. 20 years. Let's just play out a thought experiment. If all of these people were white, would we have seen the same results? Marshall can answer that. Marshall, go ahead. I'm sorry, I'm not getting I'm not getting the 100% uh 100% emoji, not getting the 100% emoji.

[48:20] I don't know if I'm sure this is working. I'm driving Kim's driving right now, so I'm not sure if I'm coming through or not. No, no, we can hear you. Go ahead. Oh, yeah, I didn't mean to put my hand up. But, I totally agree with that. If these were This is a bunch of white Canadians, this would be a done deal. People would be in jail, right? It'd be done. It was It's cuz they're brown. It's cuz they're brown. So, that's another kind of shocking thing that I've uh only come to terms with with my country in the last few years. I'm like, "Whoa, racism runs deep here." And it's systemic, right? It's It's systemic.

[48:52] So, I I don't know. Again, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I think it's ridiculous. Um Oh, but and I wanted to say something to you on on Terry Milewski. Um keep in mind, right? When when you're when you're proposing that, you know, he might be paid by the government of India, it's a possibility. I totally acknowledge that. But, keep in mind that non-Canadians don't really understand this. Um how how the CBC is linked with the federal government. It's It's kind of this national broadcaster. It's

[49:22] supported by government money. So, they they will run interference stories to cover up things that BS the government. They always do that. So, you know, so, you know, Milewski gets plenty of compensation for doing what he does just from his career on CBC. You know, these are specifically chosen individuals that get the big jobs there. And they get access to government. That's part of it. You know, they look like they're But, you know, there are very likely is

[49:53] interference run in order to cover up the government. You know, you watch CTV, their political department is totally different than CBC. They will ask the right questions. They want to inform people. CBC pretends to, but it doesn't. So, it is very much the mouthpiece of the of the federal government, at least as far as politics and major incidents like this goes. So, you know, that's that's important to keep in mind with Terry. And the CBC is also very uh it's very underhanded about saying exactly how much it pays its news teams.

[50:25] They say one salary, but then some other group will find out well, then there's plus bonuses and plus this and plus that. So, they end up being like, you know, 10 times what they're told. They're going to actually be 10 times in the case of that's how I know Mr. Dhaliwal's case. But, there's that to keep in mind, too, right? Is Mr. Dhaliwal probably doesn't need any kind of carrot from the Indian government because he gets a plenty just from the CBC. But, yeah, to to your point that you were saying,

[50:56] there is definitely an element of Canada doesn't care because this involves brown people. And I think there's too, there's a bit of a a quid pro quo in that. You know, uh Sikhs are it looks to me like Sikhs are encouraged to immigrate to Canada and have been for a long time. I think maybe that's part of it, too. There's this kind of deal where you know, you come over here and do what you want, but don't expect the same kind of justice.

[51:26] Um you know, you figure it out while you're over here. Kind of saying it's it's brutal just because it doesn't involve life. But, I I think there's a bit of that quid pro quo going on as well. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, um Marshall. And um you know, I'm the I quite believe with you and quite kind of honest of you for admitting that. Yeah, actually when I was talking about Terry, it was in my mind and I'm glad you brought it up that

[51:57] you know in my mind that hey, he could very well have actually been paid by CC or the Canadian government. And he could very well be doing all this on behalf of the Canadian government because it's also in their interest to to keep the status quo. Because if you if you look at the John C. Major so-called public inquiry, okay? And which is touted by this stout Miluski. Oh, we have this inquiry sitting, you know, Supreme Court judge and he's basically proven beyond doubt.

[52:28] But when you read the terms of reference, he's forbidden from fixing the responsibility for the bombing. He he's forbidden from, you know, naming or investigating into the main conspiracy or investigating anything into the foreign government hand. But still, you know, John C. Major writes up this whole thing which makes you if you read it, there are certain elements of it which will make you feel as if, you know, these Khalistani militants did it. So,

[53:00] you can come away with that impression. So, the report is also written very very, you know, I would say shrewdly by the Canadian establishment. Same you can see in the court document. So, it's like the court document, the whole case if you read the court's judgment, it's available 182 pages. Nowadays, AI is available. You can go and read it. There is witness I have never read Look, I'm not an expert, but you read that and there's a witness saying

[53:30] Ripudaman Malik came and asked me to put this baggage with something on the aircraft. Then another guy comes and says he tried the same thing with me and he offered me money." The girlfriend of Ripudaman Singh Malik is saying, "He confessed to me that he's the one who bombed the aircraft and and then this these are the people he used. This is how he booked tickets." So, she laid out the whole thing. And the judge said, "All of them are non-credible because the girlfriend had

[54:01] a tiff with the lover." And then these two people who are saying they also had some grudge with Ripudaman Singh Malik. So, tell me, man, like when was the last time you had a grudge with somebody and you accused them of bombing an aircraft? And and then the judge dismisses all that in all kind of stupid logic. It's so evident. You read it. And then he says very conveniently that in one line he enters in that judgment, one line. You

[54:31] have to read that judgment. In that whole judgment, there is no talk of what is the evidence against Talwinder Singh Parmar because Talwinder Singh Parmar is already dead. He lets go of all the accused. Talwinder Singh Parmar is a dead man. He can't be tried. Then he says, "But we all agree that Talwinder Parmar was the main conspirator." He adds that one line without context, without any discussion of evidence. And on whose behalf was he doing it? Like I I am amazed. Like it really puts a question mark even on the judicial

[55:01] system, the entire setup of Canada. The judges are compromised. The the Supreme Court, you know, judges are compromised. Your CSIS compromised. Your RCMP's compromised. What else? What else these CSIS investigators has to do? They had to come out and leak it to Globe and Mail. And there's also secret We didn't know. We didn't know. I remember like Oh, wait. We had the the guy in charge of the RCMP. This is last month.

[55:34] The guy I'm of the RCMP is like, "Oh, oh, we have no evidence before us that leads us to believe that foreign entities are interfering and foreign governments are interfering in Canada anymore." Flato says that in front of everybody, right? And then everybody loses their minds. Everybody knows that's not true. So, you know, the RCMP is compromised. You you know, infiltration compromised, maybe maybe not, but they're certainly compromised in what they're willing to tell us and what they're willing to admit to. So, you know, again, this is out in the open

[56:07] at this point. It's the age of the internet. We're all seeing it in real time. So, how much more could they have gotten away with you know, 40 years ago when this went all down or 20 years ago when the trial action was? If they're this bad now, I you know, it's like, you know, all these people are old now, right? They're all getting up, you know, above 60. So, they're they're not even with the times. They don't even seem to realize that what they say gets broadcast within 5 minutes to everybody who cares about it in the whole world. So, they're still

[56:38] just saying dumb stuff and then we've got some sharp journalists finally on the case who press them and say, "Are you saying what I think you're saying?" And they nail them down and they make them say it and then, you know, a week later, and this is the weird thing though, right, is CSIS comes out and says, "Well, we don't see evidence that foreign interference on transnational repression has stopped and we see evidence that foreign governments are still oppressing Canadians." Then the guys are going, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[57:15] no, no, no, all over this country. So, you know, it's not even a might, Archi. It is a they are. And even if the being compromised is only, you know, they're morally compromised and they don't tell us the truth, they're freaking compromised. And they're called liars over what is happening in real time on Canadian soil, and they're not even trying to hide it. And when they get outed and nailed by the press, nobody says anything. Our Prime Minister, you

[57:46] know, says things to make people proud and forget about it. But nobody is forgetting anything. Everybody is only None of us are forgetting about it. Everybody remembers it. There's just nothing any of us can do. And it's It's It's a nightmare. Yeah, and and you you bring up this guy, this I think what Marshall was talking about. I'll just let explain that to people because there was a background noise when you were speaking. Marshall was talking about this RCMP Commissioner

[58:17] who last year did actually a press conference in which he basically came with another lady officer and said, "Oh, there's so much of crime transnational crime going on. Indian consulates are running these rackets like criminal and arson that they're involved in everything." And then just after 11 months after that, he's coming and saying, "Oh, we have no evidence of the Indian state being involved." The only thing changed between these two cases was the government of Canada. So, to me, now the impression is is that

[58:49] the government of Canada has so much of undue influence on RCMP that the RCMP Commissioner can sing whatever tone his political masters tell him to sing. Like, what does this say about RCMP as an organization? Like, what credibility does it carry? And the same guy It's the same guy who was sitting in this press conference last year, okay? Was thinking and saying today denying all that I said, "So, we have no evidence, okay?" And last year he was

[59:19] saying, "I am sharing all this information because I want to disrupt it. It is so bad. I want to disrupt this from happening. I am I I ideally should not be talking about it. And now he's on Canadian national TV to CBC saying, "We just have no evidence of in any foreign government involved in this." But honestly, like while RCMP might be compromised, the fact is that these kind of things are beyond RCMP's pay grade. RCMP is not supposed to handle foreign hostile actors on Canadian soil.

[59:51] The job is with the Canadian security establishment um at a national level. It is CSIS. It is whosoever is part of the military. Um, because what what has happened in Kanishka was not a criminal act. It was a hostile country doing cross-national state terrorism on Canadian soil. You don't handle state terrorism through RCMP and through court cases. So, this whole talk in the Hardeep Singh Nijjar case, we are going to run a case, and then Canadian government is saying, "Indian government should cooperate with

[1:00:22] us." Why would Indian government cooperate with you? Tell me. They came and killed your citizen. What is this like what is this talk about that they should cooperate and then we basically they should you know, we will they hold them accountable. Accountable for what? Like they they have influence in your country and they're exercising that muscle. They're not going to stop. So, the only way you can make them stop is make them feel the same pain that they're making you feel. Double the pain that they make you feel.

[1:00:54] Which is good. Run covert intelligence operations in India. Shake up the Indian government from within. Or if you can't do that, then you send your army to do military coercion. You know, you can't do neither of them and you are basically selling this and bull story, "We need cooperation from India." As if India is going to give you cooperation. And we have like in in a newspaper, there there's a journalist who said that Ajit Doval told

[1:01:25] them in their face, "Even if you give us all the evidence, we are never going to admit it. Go. Take a hike." Well, again, I feel like Cariou is also telling us that part of the reason that these state sponsors of terror carry out assassinations is to radicalize those that they are targeting, right? And in Canada, the attempt is to paint Sikhs as radicals, right? India's failed pretty miserably, right? Which is why the Canadian state has nothing to

[1:01:57] cooperate with the Indian state over, right? If anything, like you're saying, they're out It makes no sense for Canada to continue to accommodate India within domestically, right? When they can't ensure that the security of those that continue to be targeted when there's no reason to target completely law-abiding, you know, dissident citizens. And I just wanted to concur again with

[1:02:29] what you had said about, you know, none of these other state sponsors of terror have ever carried out something of the nature that India did. And I think that Cariou does express that um you know, there's other um other things that, you know, the US, Israel, I think he even mentions Pakistan have done, but nothing compares in in nature, for sure. Yeah, and you know, like what the what

[1:02:59] this whatever this Canadian government right now should be doing, they should be actually fully backing the separatism movement within India. That's the way you handle India. You don't go and do trade deals with your enemy who's out there. India is not in Canada. India did not kill Hardeep Singh Nijjar. To just come after six, India basically showed Canada its muscle within Canada. It is telling Canadians, we own you. We can do this and we'll make you gulp it.

[1:03:31] Even if you don't want to. Okay? That's what India is doing. It's It's a question of Canadian sovereignty. It is not a question of some some here Canadian come and they've been sold this bull. Oh, these are foreign disputes. These are no longer foreign disputes. Nobody's living on an island. Okay? You can pack up every single Sikh and send him throw him in the Atlantic Ocean. This is not going to go away. India will come after you and India is not going to let you be the way you are. So, you better pick up you better acknowledge that India is fighting a war

[1:04:02] with you since 1985. And don't be asleep on the job, Carney or whoever that guy is. But like the Indians openly boost boast here that Carney is their man. That he's financially compromised. He has business interest. I don't know how true that is, but maybe that's another another topic. But anyways, uh we have a a Simran just dropped off. I think she was here after quite a long period of time. I have not listened to her. Simran, take the mic if

[1:04:33] you can. I would love to hear from you. >> the mic. I'm going to be stepping down. Thank you. Okay. Got it. Got it. Let me invite couple of more speakers if they they can come. Yeah, Simran, can you hear me? Uh so okay. Yeah, Simran, do you have anything to add to this? Like what was your feeling? I know you have been tracking this Air India 182 as well and what was What do you feel about what John just revealed?

[1:05:04] >> Hey, sorry. So, I could you come I could you be for there. Why do you give for there? Yeah, John, that was crazy. Like you guys are saying it's so casual. He's very hands in the air about it. So, I thought that was interesting and I came mostly to listen because you have a really coherent narrative and everything memorized. So, it's a good refresher. I also wanted to say kudos to you, Harjit. Good job for not letting this go cuz a lot of people are not talking about this still,

[1:05:35] even though the narrative has evolved so much, but people are still very afraid to take on this discussion. So, kudos to you and yeah, thanks for not letting it go. Yeah, John's stuff was excellent. Like, I was just sitting there staring out my window like, "How could he say that so casually?" So, yeah, it's really great we have like, you know, significant speakers like Gurmeet and Alec, but since that, there's been such a big gap until some of your threads and videos.

[1:06:05] So, I would hope that people just start talking about it. And then the other thing I wanted to mention was Did you get the I sent you a message about that episode 99? Like, that Brian McAndrew after he released Soft Target, he did media, like video media, and it was on a TV show. So, you don't have to do it now, but it would be great if we could find that recording cuz it's been pulled off air and it's not available. And yeah, so that's our next step is just filling in the gaps of the timeline

[1:06:35] knowing that all of this information was always available and yes, there were some failures. Cuz you can't explain Ganeshk in just one go. Like, even you guys are talking about Butt Madan stuff, like he had a video where he outwardly just denied it. Oh, and then also I was going to say that point about Terry Malawsky. Like, Terry got fired from CBC, from what I understand. So, his credibility kind of got shot in the CBC world, too. I don't know if they just burned him after a while. And so, yeah, other than that, this is

[1:07:07] great. It's just Hello. Sat Sri Akal. What are you guys doing? Sat Sri Akal. Lolli party. What do you think about What do you think about Hello to Cohen and everybody else and SK. That's the guy This uh That thing it's a bull's eye. They can do it in like a thousand yards, right? With 6.5 feet more, right? It's like a That guy did a bull's eye shot at India. And sorry you did that. Hindu saw like a

[1:07:38] shot with it. Right? With that like he said that that it was done by Huh? Daku ji, just a one sec. I think he got all the bull's eye hit got you. Finish got that. He just just hit right there. He mentioned it twice. He made sure they were on in the video. He mentioned like what they did to Sikhs and stuff uh

[1:08:08] Sikhs. I don't know what I'm saying Sikhs cuz if there's white people listening, but >> Oh, yeah, but he did already. Yeah, yeah. He dropped it twice. He made the first seven seven comment then near the end he did that other one, so he really wanted to drive that point home. And and none of the ex-cops made a video about it. They all silent about it, you know. I think we're going to see a lot of people even in our community start having to readdress their narrative on this or like their lack of. Like why they haven't spoken on it. And like have

[1:08:38] to deeply think about, you know, how to go ahead and start just talking about >> I I do want to talk about that. Before I go there, I'll take Daku cuz Daku want to say something, but I want to put one point to you guys and to see your reaction. Daku ji, go ahead. Uh Daku ji, you wanted to say something? >> Okay, well, we wait for him to speak.

[1:09:09] Okay, okay, I'm I'm going to invite I see Dharma is out there. Yeah, this is what I wanted to really raise this point, okay, because Dharma is here. Dharma I think is a Malayali. And and I don't know whether she's Christian. I don't know what religion she or he formed or they kind of follow, but Akaliji, please take the speaker. I see quite a lot also in the listeners. But you know, one thing that I'm really amazed by Simran. It's like all these evidences out there.

[1:09:39] Now we have the CIA guy speak about it, okay. He's not a nobody. But like where are all these Indians? Like there's not a single Hindu. Not a single Indian. Who's talking about this and questioning their government? 1.5 billion Hindus. 1.5 billion. What a shame, man. What a shame. Not a single guy. Yeah, no one's pushed back on it yet. It only came out what, five or six days

[1:10:10] ago, but I still find it very strange. >> But Simran, even before that, there was enough evidence. Like we had CC agents. We had Juno Katsoulas allegations. We had We had the sham about three four years ago, right? I read the whole story. All the stuff I read about it. You know, you you about three four years ago, right? Yeah, but not a single Not a single Indian. Not a single Indian

[1:10:40] media channel. Not a single Like and these are like their own people. Like you can accuse me of being a anti-Indian regime, but I'm not anti-Indian people. I feel the pain of those people who got killed 329 innocent civilians, 329, 82 children. You know how many elderly killed for no reason, no reason, but

[1:11:12] just to frame another full entire community and defame them and dehumanize them and portray them as terrorist. Whom Indian state is claiming they are their own citizens. Oh, they are so happy with us. Not a single Indian has spoken up, not a single Hindu. I can't find a single one who has made a single post on social media. I am not even asking mainstream media. Forget mainstream media.

[1:11:43] What what about all these people like these guys Sandeep Sita voice They all want to claim we love India. Do you really love India? What kind of human beings are you? Your brothers and sisters children killed. I'm going to definitely write a book on this Simran and I made a actually a cover for my book. I don't know whether I already showed that cover to you guys. But here is the book cover, okay?

[1:12:16] That I kind of made and I kind of made it after a lot of thought. Uh Here it is. If you if you're watching me This is the what I what I kind of got made was this lady. She So out of these 329 passengers who dropped from 300 or 31,000 ft into the cold waters of Atlantic early morning 2:00 a.m.

[1:12:46] Around seven or eight of them actually when they hit the water they were alive as per the postmortem report. And one of the persons who were actually alive when she hit the water and remained alive for nine full minutes fighting for her life was a lady who was six and a half months pregnant. She and her kid, both of them survived in that water for nine minutes. So, this is the cover, you know, of the

[1:13:18] book that I will make. But imagine the people who did this. Nobody has spoken. The only people who came out and spoke were those two CC agents. Junagadh Suva wrote about his book. But what about these Delhi Manush keys who are actually shielding the murderers? All these people like Sandeep Sita voice and all these Indians but the sort of world they know all these evidence. They

[1:13:48] know their country They know their state did it. But they just don't have the morality of talking the truth. Now even with John coming out and talking about this and telling every the whole world that this is what has happened like they will see they will remain quiet. This whole entire Indian IT cell will come out and start basically, you know, attacking John for speaking the truth and telling them who was behind the murder of their own brothers and sisters. I don't think they consider these these people as their brothers and

[1:14:20] sister. I don't think they have any feeling or pain for the victims. I think all that these guys do this so-called Indian nationalist is shed crocodile tears. Every June they will conduct a space and do this fake expression of oh, we are so sad for the victims. We are so sad they died. These Khalistanis killed them. But in reality, they have no feeling. They have literally no feeling.

[1:14:52] They're just doing it for political purpose. It takes about 3 minutes for the plane to fall straight down. When they were hit blown up, at least took about 8 or 9 minutes to hit the ocean, right? That's like the most most horrific situation you can It's the most horrific form of death. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It takes about even if you straight dive from 40,000 ft, it takes about 3

[1:15:22] minutes, you know? You can imagine that situation. That's terrible. And you know what the postmortem tells uh Lal Paji? That more than half, actually 80% of the passengers hit the water directly. They were not even inside the plane. It it damn it didn't kill the people. It damaged the fuselage. And and and the and the the damage happened in a way that they actually flew out of the aircraft. They were Even if they were part of the aircraft, you

[1:15:53] know, it could have still saved them that agony of dropping by 31,000 ft. Yeah, but that 8 Yeah, but 12 minutes of their life last 5 minutes. Horrific. Yeah. Anyway, we have Dharma Dharma, how are you? I don't know whether you heard the interview by John, but I can play it for you again. And then maybe you'll hear. Dharma, hello. Hello, Dharma. Hey, before Dharma speaks, so sorry to cut you off. I was wondering RG, do you think today would be a good day to run over your presentation or you just

[1:16:24] wanting to focus on John? Yeah, we can run over the presentation as well, but I was more thinking of just I was going to do more of these spaces now. I think I've got rejuvenated. I will now do it every week, okay? But for today I was thinking talk talk John, talk about the implications of this. Um yeah. I want to say something out there, too, today. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why she's not taking the speaker, but uh maybe she's busy somewhere. watching this history.

[1:16:54] Yeah. Dr. Sharma, how are you? Hey guys. Um Dr. Sharma, Dr. Sharma, I have I'm just a PPL, just a private pilot. Uh only Cessnas. I'm a commercial Oh, yeah, I know. Um so uh I I did uh see John Kirakous's uh interview. Uh so one thing what you have to understand with India

[1:17:25] uh is that and I have followed air crashes um aviation disasters all over the world and one thing that marks out India is the sheer dishonesty. Uh when it comes to acknowledging basic facts. Uh for some reason they refuse to acknowledge uh basic facts which reflect badly on their own airlines, on their own aviation industry, etc. So, I'm not surprised that uh

[1:17:56] they are not even acknowledging what John has to say. I'm not surprised at all. With regard to the numbers, it has to be remembered that um I don't know the numbers offhand I could be wrong, but there were 329 people uh on Air India 182. Only 22, the crew members, 22 were Indian nationals. That 290 uh 307 were foreign nationals

[1:18:28] of which uh 295 were Indo-Canadians. That is Canadian citizens of Indian uh Indian uh background of Indian origin. Uh so, majority of them, 22 Indian nationals were on board. The captain and the co-pilot were both first officer were both uh Sikh. I assume from their names they were Sikh. Captain Pinder is a friend and that sign is my good friend.

[1:18:58] The captain of the plane was my brother we flew together, I think. Dalip, I mean, you should you should call Pinder's the family and ask them like what do they think about this. That's like a I'm talking about when we used to fly like uh 2001 and two. Like uh he was in the training back in the days. And uh it's been a long time since I have talked about Pinder. Used to be he's still my active Facebook friend till right now. I can ask him a couple questions if you want me to. Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead, Dharma, complete your thought.

[1:19:31] Yeah, so majority of people killed were quote technically not Indian, right? They had foreign passports. 307 Uh so, this became a convenient way for India to uh shrug off any responsibility. Uh they could blame someone else and uh that is why they did not target any uh The two aircraft targeted that day, one was AI 182 and the second one was

[1:20:04] um I think 310 was the flight number. No, but Dharma Dharma, I totally get the Indian government, you know, their their agencies, they were you know, they have done evil acts and they were under orders by their political establishment to do this. But what about the Indians, 1.5 billion? What about these people? There's so many of them on Twitter. Have a single person tweeted this allegation? Single

[1:20:34] person. Name me five out of 1.5 billion. They reacted to the government. Paint on walls, graffiti was more of an issue for them than this. Yeah. What what does this say about What does this say about this college educated urban middle class coming from India? Have they any humanity? Or are they just state worshipers who are now

[1:21:06] walking zombies? That's what I would call them, mindless zombies. And it's it's not just AI 182, but whatever the incident, they will go by what the state says. They will back the state. That is the way uh they have been programmed to do. Look at AI 171. It is all about covering up the truth. So, it just happened a few months ago. And and I will and I will use this to I know

[1:21:36] I know Dharma, Boeing 777. There's there's big allegations about the state did it, right? What the hell is that? No, but but but here is here is one more thing. Leave it on the ordinary people. This is also you will see the test of these so-called people who own who are basically in West. They badmouth India all day long. But they're doing it with a very sinister agenda. You see Jayant Bhandari.

[1:22:08] Has he not seen this interview? He knows. But I I guarantee you today he's not going to tweet this. He's not going to write about this. You know why? Because Jayant Bhandari is the real deal. He is the kind of implant that Indian state puts into West who then basically earns the trust here and then back stabs this whole country and this whole, you know, system. Jayant Bhandari, if he's listening to me, you're not that

[1:22:40] smart. Okay? You He abuses Indians and India all day. India is this, India is a India is that. But when it comes to the real deal, he will never talk about it. You will see. Talk to him about the separatist movement in India. Say, "Hey, okay, if India is so bad, let's just, you know, let the people in India have their freedom." Then he'll say, "No, no, no, no, no, it will be even worse than what we just today." And then he will uh

[1:23:11] this whole act of terrorism is blamed against the Indian government. Jayant Bhandari will not even tweet it once. And you will see, I'll tag him every single day for next 1 week and let us see if he reacts. You will never. He will Actually, if you go to his space and actually pick this topic up, he will give you 10 excuses why Khalistanis are the problem. Okay? So So uh so this is why, you know, you have to be very careful. His content only matches what white nationalists would say about other

[1:23:42] people. So he's definitely trying to entice people >> So keep Keep in Keep in mind when Jayant Bhandari is abusing Indians, he's abusing the lower caste Indians, okay? That's what he's doing subconsciously while he's So in his mind it is those, you know, shudras and these like 85% like they are very idiots. They are He's right. Like he That's what he thinks about them. I think he's misinformed. I mean, there's so much I went through one of his spaces uh and he's just misinformed about He's not misinformed about anything. He He is misinforming you.

[1:24:13] He is He is very much He knows exactly what he's talking >> about He talks about how he completely ignores that whole the fact that South Indians are genetically different from North Indians. So, it's not something He's a He's a He's a kind of guy who's sent here to win the trust of the people and then basically spread disinformation, okay? But let let's play John's this thing again. We also have a Kali G. I want to play his video again. Yeah.

[1:24:44] I'm just going to play his a video is already already there. I'm playing the video as well. Um but it's on the left hand side. Um let me see if I've got it to the right one. You know, the Indians support their own Kashmiri uh separatist groups, extremist groups. And and it's the Indians that blew up the 747 in Canada. It's the Indians that carry out hits or attempted hits against Sikh activists or or Indian leftists or anti-Hindu nationalists in places like

[1:25:14] Canada or the UK. There's plenty of blame to go around. They're the second time. He actually, you know, like it's very interesting. And the first time he brought it up, let me bring that up as well. And this was the first time he talked about it in the interview at 7 minutes and then he talks about it at 30 30 minute ago. But but look at others. Look at the let's say the Greek military junta, for example, that carried out acts of terrorism against its own people. Look at Israel that has carried out

[1:25:46] assassinations all over the world. Or we could even point the finger at the at the government of India for that matter, for carrying out assassinations and terrorist attacks in Canada, blowing up the 747, no less. So, When he when he talks about like, you know, blowing up a 747, you have to see um like he the way his eyebrows go up, he he's generally astonished that somebody dared to do this.

[1:26:17] blow up a 747 to just create a false flag and blame another community for a terror attack that they themselves have committed. It's amazing. It's amazing. Just imagine the whole evil evil nature of this act. Go ahead, Simran. I was going to say, you know, how he said Indian leftists? I'm curious, like who's that group and what have what's happened to them and to other communities? Like we know what's happened with the Sikhs, but John

[1:26:48] mentions Indian leftists or anti-nationalists. So, is he talking about like a certain category of people or do we have evidence that India has hurt them in the West, too? Yeah, that's very interesting, actually. I assume that he's talking about some of the Dalit activists, like the lower caste activists who are I know are under threat. Um and um yeah, it's less about them being maybe leftists, it's more about them being from the lower caste and raising issues which are of caste racism in India. Uh

[1:27:21] with that being But that's a very good point that Simran you bring up. But I just want to welcome uh There are other influences in there, right? Yeah. I want to just welcome Akali Ji is here. Akali Ji, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Uh what's your reaction on to the all this? Thank you. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. You know, I was not surprised. We've We've been through too much.

[1:27:53] I mean, you know, I think they I mean, my surprise is that uh how many countries or how many justice systems are left where Sikhs can be those can help the Sikhs. So, this is a common factor for something. Because the corruption is an elite that controls the Canada and

[1:28:24] you know uh the influence of Israel and then the India is really in bed with Israel and all that. So, where we can go? What we can do? So, that is more of my concern rather than I was not surprised at all. So, maybe the US justice system is still there that you know that can give us an anchor that can help us. Or maybe our own activism for our own community to raise awareness in our own people, you know.

[1:28:55] And what I feel is that this understanding is very important in our people that being beside your own country, you know. You won't get a safe haven doesn't matter where you go. So, we have seen that after Pilot's death and all that. So, I'm kind of more So, I have more of a kind of sad feeling rather than uh

[1:29:26] and I think I would like to concentrate on what we can do, you know, who are our allies and what change we can bring and do not expect anything from Indians, I mean. They their culture because I was born there so I know from first hand. Uh their culture doesn't uh make those people, you know, in a way that they can think beyond what they can see. So, any expectation from Indian doesn't matter if he's a doctor or who but whatever quality education he has that

[1:29:57] is hopeless. Uh and the people die there every day, who cares? So, they're not going to care about us or anyone else. And even mean this is a small incident as compared to what happened in Delhi, you know. If that and after that the 40 years of course and all that, so having any expectation from them, even a pinch of humanity, that is I don't I think that is foolishness. So, I'll be listening to you and I'll be more interested in what we can do, you know, what

[1:30:28] physically what we can do that can uh bring a change and that can help us get to our aim, you know, our own home where we are protected and our aspirations are uh prosperous and we don't have to look at Canada or any other country, you know, without hope that they can give us the justice. No one will give us justice, that's for sure. Now Nanak Ali ji, before I go to Captain, I I tell you, I have a plan.

[1:31:00] I know how to get get you know, um us our homeland back. They do see touch it all ready. They let's get together. That's and this is a very important message that you are giving, okay? It's very important for diaspora kids to realize. The only reason Canada is not doing anything is because these 268 people were brown. Just do a thought experiment. If all of them were white, we would not have been talking about it like the way we are. So, no matter how >> I think it's in soft target. Remember

[1:31:31] the Lloyd Axworthy. >> Yes. Not that part, please. So, yeah, I definitely >> No matter like nothing against Canada, nothing against America. We are very grateful that we've been given refuge and we will never forget it. We've been given asylum. But the fact is a fact. That's the hard truth of life. And it is important whether you are first generation, second generation, they see here, Sikh, we have to realize we have to get our homeland. We have to get our sovereignty back. This should be

[1:32:01] the only top priority of every Sikh anywhere in the world. Nothing else. Else, if you are willing to live like second-class citizens, be my guest.

[1:33:10] Yeah. Kaptan >> say before Kaptan? Sorry. Go ahead. I'm so curious now how many videos are in the geopolitical world where this may have been casually spoken about and we just haven't seen it yet. So, now I feel like watching like all these random videos cuz who knows? Maybe people have discussed it and said stuff like this in passing. But yeah, anyways, Kaptan, Kaptan. Yeah, no, it actually came randomly to me. Somebody just sent it. Kaptan, please go ahead. Thank you. All right. Thanks, everybody. Um thanks for letting

[1:33:42] me speak. So, a couple of points. One, I was going to say that um if you look at what's happening right now, the US is using Pakistan as an interlocutor with with Iran to solve the Iran crisis. Pakistan's role is you really need to recognize Pakistan's role is much greater on the world stage now than it's been in

[1:34:12] decades. They've never had this kind of a role serving as a peacemaker. They're a key cog in US foreign policy as shown by these recent events. And who does And what does Pakistan support? Pakistan supports the creation of Khalistan in general. By its, you know, um uh words and by its deed

[1:34:43] in the recent in the recent past. If you look at the creation of the Kartarpur corridor or the um you know, sort of the diplomatic support for Sikhs. I I think that people who are, you know, sad by certain events, I think they should just see the desperation in the Indian polity and the regime. The fact that they're they're now paying bad actors to try and take Murthys into

[1:35:16] Gurdwaras, right? Or to take these, you know, DDT figures into Gurdwaras is how desperate they are to try and bring Sikhs back into, you know, the Hindu orbit. That's not going to happen. And they hate the Western born Sikhs. Um people like myself and, you know, Lucy and SK, you know,

[1:35:47] people that talk about this stuff and they they know that, you know, Chronos and others like us are pushing, you know, this sick cause. And, you know, we're not we have no ties to their culture, their Indian culture. You know, we don't live the way that they live, we don't think the way that they think, and that's a threat because they know we understand, you know, the Western mindset because we

[1:36:17] were born and raised in the West. You know, we grew up in the West. You know, we we have the Western mindset where we're not we're not going to be bought and paid for, you know, if we believe in this cause. You know, so I think there's a few things that have gone on. I think this whole thing with Manipur, when you look at what's happening over there and the attention that's getting, um you know, that's and and you look at what Indians themselves are saying that, you know, there were some CIA

[1:36:49] CIA operatives or other people that were involved there. There's a level of paranoia within these people in the regime that hasn't been there to date. I think these Gujaratis are going to be exposed, and once they lose their grip, once they lose their grip, then you're going to see, you know, everybody realize that it's just a Gujarati mafia from day one that's been running India according to their mentality. And their mentality is completely transactional. They sold their

[1:37:20] grandmother for like, you know, 50 bucks. That's the mentality that they have. It's all transactional. They never People will realize that what they've been seeing is from day one with all these Nehrus and Mahatma Gandhi, they're all these Gujarati people that have run this run that country from day one and have destroyed it and have lied about the poverty rates. They They have

[1:37:53] lowered the level that it takes to qualify as, you know, being poor just so that they can meet some metrics. They've stopped entering any um you know, international competitions that involve, you know, uh education and things like this. They They don't want to be exposed, but they're being exposed daily. And you see online in the X spaces. There's so many people that

[1:38:23] you know, basically have a expressed a common cause with Sikhs. And I posted something the other day just like, look at these people dumping milk into lakes and rivers and everything else. And at the same time they're drinking cow urine. You know, and you know, do you want to believe what those people say about Khalistan, about Sikhs, about anybody that wants to break up India? Or do you want to Or do you want to listen to the people that say that that is satanic or demonic

[1:38:54] or just on its face it's absurd. Who dumps milk into a lake or a river, a culture? And they support it. Bar none. You know, this concept. You see it all the time with all the that they're throwing in all the lakes and the rivers, destroying the environment. Are you going to believe those people? You know, that Sikhs are so such extremists. We just don't want to be around them and their culture. Captain, I have a question I have a question for you. Sorry to interrupt your thought, but like >> ahead. Do you Do you think like John's

[1:39:26] um uh the statement um Do you think it is premeditated or do you think it just came off the cuff? No, no, that's 100% premeditated. He had to have had some um clearance. Like once you're in the from, you know, everything that I've have I'm not a part of the CIA, so I don't know. Maybe it's different, but once you're part of some kind of intelligence network agency like that, you don't just go off the cuff. You can't go rogue like that. You know, and say things that you know, you don't have that knowledge.

[1:39:57] They could sue him. You know? Why aren't they suing the guy for basically implicating them in the Air India bombing? Saying that they Why isn't the Indian government suing him? If if this was so, you know, egregious or he was so defamatory or if he was wrong, he's lying, he's being >> They They They They never sued the Globe and Mail as well. For even Tarik Kashmiri for alleging If you If you take it to a court of law, Yeah. there's something called discovery. Correct.

[1:40:27] >> They'd have to They'd have to answer questions under oath and provide evidence. Correct. And the other side has evidence. They have proof. Now, I've done a lot of a lot of thought exercise with it. Um, Grok, asking it about these kinds of things, and Grok always gives these milktoast kind of Indian regime's friendly answers until you start really probing Grok and telling it, "Answer me about David Kilgour. Yeah. >> Tell me why wasn't he allowed to testify? Yeah. Tell me why the major

[1:40:59] inquiry had limited terms of reference. Tell me about the pattern of behavior with respect to um, you know, the detention of Sikhs. Why don't you uh, you know, and I I basically try and get Grok to finally admit that yeah, you know, there's a pattern of behavior and and eventually Grok always And I tell Grok, "Tell the truth. If you're a truth-seeking engine, which you say you are, then come across with, you know, what a rationalization that explains all of these things." And then it it it invariably,

[1:41:31] so far in my experience, when questioning Grok on these points and why it's answering in a certain way. Eventually, it always comes around and says, "Yeah, you know, um I will start to incorporate PNR into this conversation. I will start talking about, you know, um patterns of behavior." >> so Captain, to that earlier question, like if it was premeditated, uh so you're you're you kind of believe that it's kind of almost at a systemic level, basically. He was not even acting in at as an individual. He This was somebody

[1:42:03] gave him a signal to to do this. Yeah, I think President Trump has basically signaled to all of us, you know, all of the things that he said from that first We had that space after Modi came begging with a bowl in hand after Jay Shankar sat all tight Mar-a-Lago trying to get a meeting. You know, he came to the and he they were embarrassed, you know, um on so many levels in that meeting where they they asked this idiotic question and then they then the the the the notes that were put out afterwards and they

[1:42:33] talked about, you know, um terrorism and criminal behavior and all this kind of stuff. I remember we did the space. I I wish we'd record these spaces, but that one wasn't recorded, I'm pretty sure. Regardless, I think it's from pattern of behavior and then you saw this the conflict with Pakistan and and India. Got it. Got it. >> we're we're going from six planes to seven planes to 10 to 11 planes. Yeah. Got it. I'm going to I have a lot of questions. Captain, I have a lot of questions. But one one thing. President Trump has not spared any opportunity to embarrass these

[1:43:04] people and he does it by saying Modi's his friend. So what's what's Modi going to say that Trump's, you know, um hates Modi? No, he says, "Modi's my friend." all the time, but yet he embarrasses India on every at every turn, you know, and and including saying that we'll allow India to buy oil from Russia for a month or two months. And Indians are losing their minds. These Indo-phobes people are losing their minds and Captain, we'll Yeah, we'll bring the geopolitics into it, but I want to make sure that people are and I'll come back to you. I have some other questions on

[1:43:34] this, but Dharma you had your hand raised and I want to kind of keep make keep sure that people who are joining late that just to refresh everybody's memory why we are talking today is that we have CIA high-ranking official John Kiriakou actually come on live TV and in the past we've had Canadian intelligence investigators alleged to grow and mail but they never showed us their faces. Uh we've had Junuk Atrua write it in his book, but he

[1:44:04] kind of leave it hanging there, but now we have a CIA official come publicly official like we can see him in flesh and blood alleging what is now common knowledge in the intelligence circles which is that India was behind the Air India 182 bombing. So we are discussing that and and discussing the implications of that. Dharma, please go ahead. You had your hand raised here. Yeah, thanks so two points I wanted to make. One is that yes, John is certainly

[1:44:35] uh his statements right now are certainly part of a larger plan. I believe that. Um uh I'll come back to this later, but before I forget last time on the last place I was going to mention this but there was a book written by a former intelligence official called uh Maloy Dhar. I read it in 2006 or something like that. Open secret. Open secrets, yeah. Yes, Maloy Dhar. He was not RAW,

[1:45:06] but IB IB Uh he was IB, right? So India has two intelligence agencies IB and RAW. So he was part of RAW and these two agencies are it's the worst kept secret in India that these two are almost openly at conflict with each other. Uh so his comments at the time many were dismissing it as rivalry with other intelligence agencies operating in India. But very important points he made which

[1:45:37] aviation observers like myself and even law and others would understand. If you look at these hijackings that Maloy Dhar says were false flags. There were four or five hijackings of Indian Airlines flights. In the 1980s. Even before 1984. There were three or four. I'm sorry I don't remember the numbers but Maloy Dhar has gone into great details on that on how these were false

[1:46:08] flag operations. One of them even had a former NSA Subramaniam. I think the Airbus 300 which was hijacked to Dubai. Via Lahore. I see 421 I think. That even had Subramaniam who later became the NSA. On board as one of the quote unquote passengers. Which he goes into great details about how these were false flags supposedly

[1:46:39] done by Babbar Khalsa and. I don't remember the name of the other federation but which was claimed to be Khalistani separatists. And he goes into great details about how these were false flag operations. Which makes it pretty interesting reading especially when as an observer of aviation who has observed hijackings and other such things from reports from very closely who has read these reports. I find these three or four hijackings very

[1:47:11] suspicious. Yeah no but Dharma I'll I'll kind of intervene. I have read that book. I think it's an excellent point you bring in. Everybody should buy this book. It's called Open Secrets and the writer is M.K. Dhar, Maloy Krishna Dhar. He was uh the Deputy Director of Intelligence Bureau, the actually the most powerful intelligence organization India has. RAW is not as powerful as IB. IB is the domestic intelligence, but it also does uh external intelligence. And um so uh he was high as you can get. And he wrote

[1:47:42] this book and this book was published just 5 months before his death. And in this book is actually banned in India. Imagine. And uh his son uh who is no longer a you Indian citizen, um his son is actually I think a UK citizen. He then worked very hard to get it published and uh if you can get a hand on that book uh highly highly recommended because the the main crux of that book is not the revelations he's making. He made a lot of revelations, but the main crux of that book is that he's making a plea to the international

[1:48:12] audience that they have to intervene in India. He basically makes a case that the Indian agencies are rogue to a level that CIA and even KGB cannot be. And his main argument is this that the Indian agencies are totally unaccountable, totally unaccountable because uh CIA and SIS and even MI6, all these agencies are formed by an act of a parliament and they are at the end of

[1:48:44] the day, yes, people can argue like there are like question marks that they have a lot of discretion that they misuse, but they can be called up by the Senate anytime. And in America you see like the CIA chief being called by the senators like every third day. And kind of you know, he has a budget. Uh there is they talk about slush budget and all, but you know, that slush budget is slush budget. It it's not a slush budget from the government. The he has a budget he has to kind of adhere to. He has to and he can be held accountable. But M.K. Dhar makes a argument that the

[1:49:16] Indian intelligence is totally different. It has no budget. It has a no boss. It only reports to the Prime Minister who changes every 5 years and it had it is not bound by any act of the Parliament. It is basically a mafia and it's a mafia like no other and he makes a comparison with CIA and MI6 and he basically says that the if left unchecked these two agencies RAW and IB will cause havoc in the world that the world does not know what it is doing.

[1:49:46] And and I agree with him and I think that the whole world has to intervene like this this is a prime example. I think when John John Kiriakou in this interview talks about blowing up the 747, you have to see his eyes. He is actually astonished that somebody did this like for their own people. To blame their other group of own people. Unheard of. I have not heard North Korea do this act with their own people. If they have, please provide me evidence. Okay? But India is one such country and

[1:50:16] and people call it the most democracy. I don't know. I don't know with what face they call it a democracy but but anyways SK had the hand raised and then we'll go to Akali. SK go ahead. Good. Yeah, Dharma complete your thought. Dharma complete your thought. Yeah, that's fine. It's about AI 182 and there were actually a plan to blow up two planes that day, AI 182 and AI 310. 310 could not be blown up because the bomb blew up on the ground itself.

[1:50:47] Both these it was a coincidence that baggage x-ray baggage at Vancouver and at Montreal Air India's x-ray baggage facilities at all three points, Vancouver, Tokyo, Montreal all failed on that particular day. And there was specific uh specific uh intelligence about uh some something

[1:51:19] like this happening. The baggage failed and yet the flight was allowed to proceed. And the baggage was checked through when there are specific instructions given by Air India security that uh in case the X-ray baggage doesn't work, the baggage will be left behind. In spite of that, this one baggage was checked through when 29 other baggages were not checked through because of the rules in place when the X-ray baggage is not uh

[1:51:49] uh working. I mean, there are so many questions that when you read the Air India 182 report and the 310 Air India 310 report in detail, these red flags pop up. The question is, why aren't these red flags being talked about? I think I should write a detailed post on it uh soon, blog on this very soon. Yeah, and I can give you uh Dharma, I have created an AI space database and I have uploaded all the court documents, all the inquiries, all

[1:52:20] the evidence, soft book PDF, everything. You It had 82 sources. And uh and you can ask it any question and do any analysis on top of it. Uh but uh yeah, I have actually a 3-hour 2-hour live stream I did talk where I talk about only the misses at the airport, okay? If you forget everything else, the money paid to Ripudaman Malik by the Indian government. If you even ignore the allegations by CC investigators, you ignore um the the sham uh public inquiry commission, you ignore the the whole

[1:52:52] court case with all the evidence till the accused were made to walk free. You ignore even John John's allegations here. Just look at what happened at the airport. That itself will tell you, "Hey, this is an intelligence operation going on." Probably with the full connivance of even Canadians. And um it's mind-boggling how these bombs got on the the bag got on to not one aircraft, it got on to an aircraft in Vancouver, traveled without passenger from Vancouver to to Toronto, and then Toronto it got on to another aircraft

[1:53:23] without a passenger. And from there the aircraft went through another airport. And it got delayed by 3 and 1/2 hours. The X-ray machine gets it doesn't get X-rayed because X-ray machines mysteriously stop working 15 minutes before this bag is to be scanned. The uh once this bag goes through without X-ray scanning, the X-ray machine comes back live again, and the X-ray technician who came to check the machine he could never find any fault. He could say, "Hey, I don't know how it went off and how it came back on." The dog squads all the dog squads of Toronto

[1:53:55] are on training going to Vancouver on that particular day. The security officer of Air India is not available only for that day. A temporary security officer from New York has come in. And that temporary security officer gives a fake demo to the security staff which allows them to actually not even use the sniffers properly. And they allow this bag to go through even after the sniffer is beeping primarily because of the demo given by that security officer. And that security officer refuses to call the backup dog squad. Toronto airline calls the sorry, Canada airline calls the backup

[1:54:27] air squad. The security officer, the Indian airline security officer refuses to wait for 15 more minutes to have the backup dog squad arrive and orders the plane to take off after fighting with the airport authorities. This is how this aircraft got into the air with the bomb. And it's just amazing. There were bags offloaded. There were bags that because of the X-ray machine failure uh the bags some were bags could not be loaded on because there's a specific rule that says that if it is could not be X-rayed, it will it will be sent by

[1:54:59] the next flight. And so there were around 29 bags that were not sent on the flight, but this M Singh, uh, this one bag which had been Without the passenger? Without the passenger on a Canadian Pacific flight, it arrived from Vancouver, and it was checked through even without, uh, being checked again because of the x-ray machine failure. Other 29 bags get pulled out, but this bag gets on board. Okay. No, no, and no, no, but but this

[1:55:31] bag was actually caught by the baggage checking guy. His statement is on record. Canadian Pacific guy. Yeah, no, no, not Canadian Pacific, the secure the security guy, the who actually was scanning, then they use handheld scanners, okay? And he said that when my handheld scanner was on this bag, I heard the beep, but this Indian Airlines security officer grabbed the scanner from his hand and said, "You are doing it wrong." He lit a matchstick, took the matchstick

[1:56:01] right next to the scanner, and the scanner started giving a whistling noise. Okay? Because the fumes were too close, and he told this guy that, "Hey, you will actually get a full whistling noise, not a beep." Okay? And because he gave that demo, he said, "I was so afraid when this bag beeped, this guy has just given me a thrashing that it has to be a whistling noise, I did not have the courage to take the bag out. If he had not given me the demo, I would have immediately taken

[1:56:31] this bag out." Okay? So, there's a lot that happened on that airport. We will do a full, like, a episode on that, and uh, but leave that, like, for just focus on if the CIA official gone mad? Like, okay, the CIA John Kiriakou might have gone bonkers. Let's assume that. Do two CIA agents, investigators who actually investigated, who actually went to Global and Mail and gave the whole story out of like how money was paid to Ripudaman Malik, how Ripudaman Malik

[1:57:03] basically hired foot soldiers to get the bags onto the plane. Was all that also those two CSIS agents also gone mad? Okay, fine. We assume those also gone mad. What about Juno Katsuya? He writes in his book that Indian government did it. Has he gone rogue? Okay, let's assume he's gone rogue. What about the judge who heard all this evidence in the Supreme Court against Ripudaman Malik, against Bagri, against Reyat, and he still lets go all these accused walk free? Like just read the court case for hell's

[1:57:34] sake. Go and read the amount of evidence. It's all out there. Ripudaman Malik girlfriend tells you this is what how he said he he got he arranged the people. This is how much money he paid. This is how he booked the tickets. This is how they got the bags on the aircraft. This is the person's car they used. All thrown out of the window because you Indian agents couldn't be put to jail because then you know the India's name will come out. So so like come on like who are there's

[1:58:05] too much things too much stuff out there right now for the Canadian government to act innocent, ignorant, or to use propaganda, you know, propaganda. I don't know what you call pimps like Terry Miluskey to muddy the waters, to mislead and disinform the people. The cat is out of the bag. Cat is out of the bag. Whosoever is there in Canada, okay? It's out of the bag. It's not going back in the bag. It's there. You you will need a new world order to put it back in the in the in the in the bag. So so you better like and and first

[1:58:37] of all hats off, okay? I just want to take I I do want to kind of acknowledge the courage of people, man. Courage of people like people like those two CSIS investigators who went and shared all the information with Zuhair Kashmiri Globe and Mail, okay? And people like Terry Gluskin, they come up and they basically try to discredit them saying, "Oh, these are anonymous sources who came to Globe and Mail." No, they are not anonymous. This is where he's a liar. Terry Gluskin,

[1:59:08] he's lying through his teeth. He knows very well these are not anonymous sources. These are called in journalist world, they are called confidential sources. People who come McAndrew and Kashmiri, right? >> Yes. No, no, not McAndrew and Kashmiri. The two CSIS agents who The reporters were McAndrew and Kashmiri. Yeah, the reporters were McAndrew and Kashmiri. But but they were not just kept They were not just McAndrew and Kashmiri. They were They when they were writing, they were fully employed by Globe and Mail and Toronto Star.

[1:59:39] So So basically they the two top journalists from the two highest selling dailies in Canada. Okay. Doctor, can you just mute your mic? Yeah. So So the CSIS agents came to them and gave them this whole story of how this was done. And people like Terry Gluskin these scum of the world, they claim that oh, they try to discredit by these fake lame excuses. Oh, these were anonymous sources. No, the Soft Target book

[2:00:10] does not quote anonymous sources. The people it's confidential sources. And anybody who has anything to do with journalism or media, they know when journalists of Globe and Mail write something in their name with the name of Globe and Mail behind them they're the full legal department which will check whether these people who are claiming they're CSIS agents, whether they are correct or not. Otherwise, they will not let them publish that book. The

[2:00:41] publisher will check. Otherwise, they'll get sued for millions of dollars for defamation for spreading false information. They can't They won't be able to write again. But the Indian government was never able to sue Zuhair Kashmiri. Why? Because they know if they sued Globe and Mail or Zuhair Kashmiri or the publisher of that book then they would have to show who their confidential sources were. And that is the reason why John C. Major when WCSO made a representation to the John C.

[2:01:12] Major commission that we should call Zuhair Kashmiri, we should call Brand McAndrew to the public inquiry commission, make force them to reveal their sources. The John C. Major flatly refused. He said, "It's not my mandate to fix responsibility for the bombing. It's out of my mandate." What a farcical inquiry so-called. And these idiots like Terry Miluski have the gumption. They think the whole world is so fooled that they can come and tell the whole world this lie that this inquiry fixed everything and they have

[2:01:44] fixed the responsibility for the bombing. Whom are they fooling? People can go and read that John C. Major inquiry report. See where John C. Major himself has written, "I cannot call these witnesses. I am not allowed to fix the responsibility for the bombing." Okay, but I I know they had a but I want to acknowledge the bravery of these CSIS agents who went to Globe and Mail. Sardar Tara Singh Hayer, he was murdered because he would have been the most credible witness against Ripudaman Malik. Um the the

[2:02:16] quote unquote platonic lover of Ripudaman Malik she went and risked her entire life. Nobody today knows where she is. She's probably under some witness protection. Maybe she even killed by now. And she risked everything to come and spill the beans on Ripudaman Malik. Mr. A and Mr. B whose identity we don't know who spilled beans on Ripudaman Malik and how he was he was out there trying to arrange people to put bombs baggage on the on the aircraft. There's also Mr. Narendra Gill who gave

[2:02:47] who didn't care that his name was being openly shown on the on the court case. He gave testimony against Ripudaman Malik. We we have to acknowledge the courage of John John Kiriakou Kiriakou. And you know and and I'm sure many others. Uh just one sec. Just one sec. The point he made about mainstream media is good though. Absolutely did. will not

[2:03:18] publish a story unless they have a second source even a third. So even if they know that their information is good they still need a second source to validate and then they can go with a story. It's a pretty great point. Yeah, there's another El Capitan who has come I'm pretty sure he's a he's an Indian. Captain I think he's he got muted and he made a second one. Okay. Okay, got it. I don't know why that happened but I can I can add him. Uh but hey Coin is here finally. Coin

[2:03:49] I've been missing you. I have not seen you for so long. I hope everything is okay. Chardi Kala. Yeah good good thanks. Um Waheguru Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ki Fateh. Waheguru Ki Fateh. that John Kiriakou finding that you found Harjit Singh is just I think you know there's divine timing sometimes. Um that was I think really fortunate because John's also getting a lot of kudos just generally at the

[2:04:22] moment. His podcasts are huge. He gets interviewed by some of the I'd say really prominent truth tellers on social media in general. So what he says is is taken um you know, I think quite seriously. So, having someone like that make this statement is and not once, twice, and quite convincingly, you know, um I think

[2:04:52] it it does bode well for us. And I think what we also now need to be doing, you know, and I think you're doing you do it quite well, is to actually put this information out more, I think, systematically because there's it's a great opportunity to do that because like you said, you we've had previously people who have and and they've been quite fortunate who've written books because why the Canadian government and what what actions and their

[2:05:23] non-actions of what is state terrorism, why it wasn't and hasn't been taken seriously. And you know, that's a discussion we we can have, but you know, we also can't forget that there was, you know, the actions of the Indian government wasn't just um obviously the the Canadian bombing of the 747. There was other planned

[2:05:55] um uh bombings as well. And that was highlighted really carefully and clearly in um in the book by the Canadian MP. Um sorry, I just had it up before. I'll bring it up. Yeah, David Kilgour, yeah. Yeah, that's right. So, David Kilgour's book is really important, I think, because what it does highlight that, you know, within this special meeting that took place um and

[2:06:26] that was referred to as an international corporation benefiting respective governments. And if you look at the individuals that were part of that um conspiracy to basically create another bombing in Europe of an Air India plane to blame the Sikhs. Now that is quite serious because you had that incident and then you had another false flag that was being attempted or

[2:06:58] blame being attributed to is in the killer case. So you've got you got three cases there. Three opportunities to to to push forward this narrative that the Sikhs are extremists and terrorists at a time when the Indian government was committing genocide um horrific genocide the Sikhs in Punjab. So and that's a pattern that authoritarian regimes do because how do

[2:07:30] you deflect from their crimes against humanity? They go after authorities that are, you know, outside who are raising awareness and that was really really serious and I think Kilgour's book in particular um does raise something that even um you know, John Kirakou raised about using cutouts. Um these are these sort of actors state actors because those people weren't state actors. I think they were just a criminal syndicate because of you know,

[2:08:00] there was a neo-Nazi person who um for example used to take money to create terrorism crimes. There was two Sikh gentlemen that were there. There's someone else who was identified as an Italian and and the whistleblower who was a a Russian defector who was working um you know, with CSIS at the time and maybe it'd be interesting why he was sent. Was he just sent cuz he

[2:08:31] did actually um he did report it to the police the very next day and that's how that plan fizzled. But it was quite a serious plan of bombing another airline to blame the Sikhs. And that's >> it's it's really Yeah, I'll give I'll give It was really serious, right? >> Yeah, going to I'll give people a quick rundown because I totally remember that plot. So the plot was like this. The Canadian intelligence has this spy on their whatever roles and

[2:09:04] they tell him we have a job for you. And as per him he's sent to Germany, I think. And then uh they they are Indian friends are asking for some help. You have to help this guy bomb an aircraft or help him do some act. Then he goes there and then I don't think he was told initially that bombing an aircraft and then he said I reached there. I get into this big apartment complex and I get into this room and I see these Sikhs. I will not name the person he saw. People can read his book. Uh who are totally dressed up and then we have these German intelligence officer and they're planning to bomb an

[2:09:35] aircraft. And he said when I heard their plan, this is what I have to supposed to help them. He said I developed cold feet because what hap what happens to me now? And uh if these guys will end up bombing the aircraft like um you know and he didn't trust CCs completely. So he wanted to get out of that quagmire. So what he did was he traveled to another country close by in Europe where he was wanted for a crime. And he said I can then go there and have myself arrested. That way I can give an excuse to CCs I can't help these

[2:10:06] guys because I got arrested. Okay? So so he travels to this other country and just kind of shows himself up and lo behold the police there arrest him and he's put behind the bars where he was wanted for a couple of years and he remains there in bar. And um and then the CCs basically complain that we know that you deliberately got yourself arrested. So, so that's the whole story in that book. But, uh, it kind of, um, corroborates Just to clarify, I don't think it's it's hard to know if there was other intelligence or whether there

[2:10:37] were some people who were observing because there was a German man who chaired it. There was an Italian identified as Dr. De Marco. There were two Sikhs. There was Prasada himself who was called his alias was Robert Fisher. And he was sent at that time by CSIS. Um, whether it was just to sort of, you know, they've heard of another plot happening to try to understand it. We don't know. Like, we don't really shoot, you know, that's just sort of, um, talking. But, I think, you know, he described the

[2:11:08] plot as being macabre even for someone in his line of work. And he went back to the hotel and he would have informed, um, you know, CSIS. And I think he was advised to his own volition, he, you know, he informed the Italian police. And they came and sort of disrupted that. Now, what I think what's what's sort of important is that during the during that meeting, what they were talking about was that, um, it would they were trying to push forward this this agenda that it was international

[2:11:39] cooperation. But, it wasn't. And I think, you know, in line with what Harcharan Singh Brar, Brian McAndrew, um, you know, the fact that you have an ex or a former Canadian MP, David Kilgour, like, they've all come on board and said saying that India India's role orchestrated the 1985 bombing of Air India Flight 182 182. Now, that's not These aren't small names or small, you

[2:12:10] know, people. Like, and I think, you know, when you've got even the FBI and now you've got CIA agents coming out and saying that like it's a pattern of information. Particularly now with I think India's transnational repression and terrorism um history which is only getting Did she cut out? Yeah, we just lost her. She dropped the

[2:12:41] mic. She was a listener and then I hope there's not her battery. We still have a second and then Yeah, and then we can go to Captain. Yeah, go ahead Simran. Okay, sounds good. So the only the other point that I forgot to make was I think Acar said this before and I think all of you have said this in a way in some way. So like they've already spoken about so much, so why didn't they take any credit for this when that is the culture like

[2:13:12] when you do so that that they're open about it. And I kind of butchered the way I said that. >> Yeah. Yeah, and then yeah, and I'll just plug in couple of books for people to read. Um so people who can watch me on my live stream. Okay, for some reason I can't show it. Let me see if I can get a shirt. Yeah. So okay. Yeah, this is the book. There are two books in my hand. You can see. The first one is a soft target which was

[2:13:44] published in 1988. Then a revised version was published I think in 2005 immediately after the criminal trial for the case was over. It's identical books. There not a single word was changed. Only thing is they added a preface. And the preface basically told says, "Didn't we tell you so in 1988 that nobody would be punished?" Because the Canadian government has already decided to curry favor in hand. Nobody can be

[2:14:16] punished for this. And the preface basically then kind of tells you what happened in the court case and why they didn't punish anyone and any new information that came out in the court case. But basically the whole court case was trying the same people that the book had published. This is the book I I recommend people should buy it. Soft Target. The India It says Soft Target, India's intelligence service and its role in the Air India disaster. And this is a revised version that got

[2:14:46] published. And the initial one that was published in '88 was how the Indian intelligence service penetrated Canada, Soft Target. So uh people should buy this book. There's And then another thing uh similar to your point, I was recently reading a book by the DGP of Punjab. He was one of the DGPs, the top cop in Punjab in India, where the persecution of Sikhs was done by the Indian state. And he wasn't a state employee. His book is called Identity and Survival.

[2:15:16] And you know, in in that book he details that every single incident of terrorism in Punjab which involved killing of the Hindus was done by the Indian state. A DGP is elected >> called? The book is called Identity and Survival, from the murder of A.S. Atwal to the Talwandi bus killing to the murder of three Hindus that were taken out of the bus and killed again, to the murder of Longowal. He basically lists out all these actions saying these were

[2:15:48] all the acts of the Indian state. And he interestingly also talks about third agency. Okay? And that's another book to read, Identity and Survival by Kirpal Dhillon, DGP, okay? No less. Then there's another book by A.R. Darshi, Ajit Ram Darshi. He was joint secretary of Punjab government. He in his book, his book is called The Gallant Defender. He was a joint secretary. He was in the thick of things happening in Punjab in

[2:16:19] the '80s, okay? He in his book did not even lay out that okay, all these killings in Punjab were being done by the Indian state. He actually named the officers that okay, so and so killing of Hindus so and so RAW officer V.I. Vasudeva here so and so RAW and IB officers so he's written it down, documented it in the book. And so those are the two books worth reading. I'm actually just got hold of those books so I'll be sharing a lot of

[2:16:50] that information. So agency is that referencing some type of Indian Yeah. >> third party or like a different >> Yeah, so so basically what the Indian state did was to the the the whole this all of this persecution of Sikhs Kanishka bombing Blue Star, all the planning of this had started in '79. And to keep it utmost secret and it they created a separate agency called third agency. It was not IB, not RAW. Intelligence officers from IB and RAW

[2:17:21] were taken and a third agency was created. It was a law onto itself. It was being directed directly by Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and her four main confidants, Sanjay Gandhi, Fotedar, uh Arun Nehru and one more guy. And these guys were directing this third agency and they were above the law. The Chief Minister of Punjab didn't know what was happening. Even the Home Minister was not told. Everything was controlled by them through the third agency. So interesting, you read that book and you'll come to know how they did all these acts of terrorism, state terrorism.

[2:17:52] >> the third agency and Ajmer Singh Randhawa, you know there is a pamphlet called Preetama. Yeah. >> Uh Ajmer here, he wrote about it too. I put it in the book. Got it. Got it. Okay, let's go to we have a Falcon in the I know we had I think Captain you had your hand raised before I go further. Yeah, you can let Falcon go first. He's I think he's a new speaker. Okay, Falcon go ahead. Uh good morning, guys. It's morning time here in Europe, so I hope everyone is doing good. Yeah, good good good.

[2:18:24] Yeah, so I have only few things to raise. We all knew that there was Indian involvement in the killing of these people in the air. The bombing of this Air India. So, if you guys know like I think it was 1 year ago or around when the CT of nature and after that so Australian government I think deported three to four people who were like doing a wrecky of airports. They were keeping an eye on the ground

[2:18:55] staff. So, they were planning to do something similar like Air India bombing from like which had gone from Canada to was going to from Canada to London. So, I mean on that time the hype was very up. I mean the by nature killing and uh Assin Kandh and all all these things were very new. So, they wanted to do the same thing like they did in the back. So, they wanted to put everything back in the ground. They wanted to cover everything up with the dirt.

[2:19:26] So, I know many things people are here from Canada. But, I will expect anything from the home country because UK till now by the Assin Kandh died they did not have any like official inquiry.

[2:19:57] People knew that is assassination. So, I don't know. I I don't know what to expect from the Commonwealth countries. And second of all, Uh excuse me? Yeah, that what I can tell you what to expect. I can I I can tell you what to expect. Expect them to be turned into third world holes by India in next 15 years. That's what to expect. And that's what their future is. That's where they're headed. Um because they can't stand up for their own sovereignty. And they want

[2:20:29] to kind of, you know, um um be friendly buddy-buddy with the mass murderers. So be it, you know, um they'll they'll be for it. And um And I can I can tell you like right now like like you you bring up a right point on aviation terrorism. Like I think Lucy's there down there. I think it was she or somebody going from your group of girls who who made a very good point that when it comes to aviation terrorism, there's no match of the Indian state and agencies.

[2:20:59] And they have been involved in all these kind of acts like these hijacks. Yeah. We we we don't have evidence of Israel like but with India we have enough evidence. And um And then, you know, like um uh there was a like a there were all these hijacks plus you talk about Australia. I think there was one more incident which um if I'm not wrong um yeah, it's not it's cannot hitting my memory yet but it'll come back. Yeah, uh um The 1983 bombing in in India which had very early

[2:21:32] similar baggage handling um I'll say strategy. Yeah. >> And that was blamed on the Elam Tamils or who claimed responsibility. >> that is correct. Yeah, same. That was a weak case because that that group which claimed responsibility had just formed and then immediately disbanded after that bombing and they were all discharged. And one key conspirator only went to prison for less than 2 years. So, that was a really strange case. Um actually actually

[2:22:04] Um as cases are really interesting, I was just looking at the links between Israel Mossad and India. And um in 19 uh when RAW was created, um Indira Gandhi actually explicitly advised um uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh During the 1971

[2:22:34] Indo-Pakistani War, Israel supplied India and the Mukti Bahini with mortars, ammunition, military instru- instructors. Um Israeli arms manufacturer played a key role. And this was actually kept secret due to India's public stance. In the late '70s, covert contacts continued under Prime Minister Desai. In '79, he secretly invited Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan to India, where he traveled discreetly to avoid

[2:23:04] public notice. These were low-profile uh uh uh uh uh uh uh um uh uh links. And um and in the '80s, there was deeper training, security cooperation, and operational ties. So, and that expanded under Indira Gandhi, who returned Prime Minister in 1980. Um so, that included aid three counterterrorism training. So, there's about 20 Indian special group. So, I don't know if they were part of that third agency. Um so, they were commanders from the 56 Commando Company.

[2:23:35] Um they received 3 weeks of intensive training at Israel's secret Sayeret Matkal um base with Mossad commandos and they led the famous 1977 Entebbe hostage rescue. So, they coordinated the program um despite lack of diplomatic ties. These commanders later took part in Operation Blue Star in the '84 raid and uh of of Golden Temple and the

[2:24:06] and and around um obviously Punjab. Post assassination, um India also requested Israeli assistance to overhaul Prime Minister security apparatus. So, Israeli specialists were also consulted for Rajiv Gandhi's residence as well. So, and and this is obviously during the period of the the '85 um I think that period needs to be looked at is Rajiv Gandhi's role and his links with Mossad.

[2:24:36] And I would I would think Pakistan intelligence, China probably have way more information about all this. And maybe now with John Kiriakou coming out, there might be some more leaks um and some more intel particularly since now people are um giving Pakistan greater importance uh as as being a you know, a regional stabilizer. Because all of India's actions so far, you know, if if it can't even keep its own territory stable, then how is it

[2:25:08] going to contribute in being a if stabilizing force of the region? I think that's something that needs to be looked at, too. Yeah, I just want to and I'll be Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, I just one thing I want to kind of say before you start. I want to kind of make sure I make urge people to follow John Kiriakou. Um I see follow him follow him on Twitter. I think this is the least we can do. Um I see he has a podcast on Apple called John Kiriakou's Dead Drop. Please

[2:25:42] follow him there. Um I am talking to certain >> to say in the last like 6 months it's hard not to see John. He's gone totally viral like on every social media. So Yeah. The timing is Except except he'll be absent on the Indian media for quite some time now. They have been running in Anyways the we I am trying to work with certain prominent Sikhs to to actually honor John, invite him to a Sikh seminar or something, give him some more visibility within the bond.

[2:26:13] And I also want to urge okay look look at John. I'm pretty sure there are more people out there who know something about this. Please come up and speak. That's the minimum you can do. Nothing's going to happen. This is cat is out of the bag. It's not going back in the bag. No Canadian government no Indian government can stop the truth from come out. So you better come out and tell people what you know. The What about the families? I think the families no they have been following this that what's going on.

[2:26:43] They probably have been silenced. I know they've been made to sign some kind of NDAs when they were given this compensation. But maybe they should pick it up. They should pick it up why John is alleging it. Canadian government should clarify. They should issue an official statement. The why are they silent? Um the Indian government no we don't have any expectation from Indian government like they they they are kind of the the ones who did it. But the pressure can be put on Canadian government like the families they should take you know the statement from John and maybe you know ask the

[2:27:15] Canadian government give an explanation um why John is making these statements. And yeah so and then if there's anybody else out there who knows something about it please talk about it. Please reach out to people. Please reach out to me. I'm nobody but I'm happy to share if anybody had any more information uh about this Das league attack. Uh, yeah. Somebody's kind of, uh, clearing his throat, but yeah.

[2:27:45] Yeah, he's ready to share something. Anyways, Falcon, go ahead. Yeah, hold on a second. Um, Arjit, I was going to speak. Achha, achha, I mean I have to be natural. I'm sorry about that. Go ahead. You know, let me speak after that. Don't mind. Sure.

[2:28:23] I just wanted to say before after the coins spoke, I just wanted to add something quickly and then I will go out of the space because I've got to go to work, too, so is it okay for you? Okay, doctor, if you don't mind, let's take Falcon's turn and then you can Okay, go ahead, Falcon. So, as uh, she's spoken the hand of the Israelis in the in the Operation Blue Star. So, as the passenger is saying to you from Talking About Our Space, that we as Sikhs, we need to conserve

[2:28:53] our energy right now. So, when the PLO was there, so I guess that Arafat traveled to India with his pistol and he appreciated India and the on that time the the way he handled the Operation Blue Star. And it's on record. And now, since the Iran war is happening, and Sikhs are forced, or I don't know, because of staying with the Indian regime for too long, our our brains is also somehow I don't know

[2:29:24] and affected. So, these are two wars where should we not speak anything. Because when we were going through the worst time in the history, no one spoke for us. No PLO, no Palestinians, no and even Israelis, they hate us the same. Because why would they help a third world country? So they know that the this kind of a power Sikhs are. So everyone in the world will try to stop us. Even the Britishers, even the Mughals, whoever. So Sikhs have

[2:29:56] to defend themselves right now. This is the harsh truth. And I hope that I'm not going out of topic, but it just came into my mind. So we vis-a-vis we are alone. And I think the only true ally we have right now in the world is United States. That's all. So I hope that I wish everyone a nice, I don't know, what's the night or day. So I wish you guys a nice health and the success in life and goodbye, guys, huh? Okay, welcome. Thank you. Thank you for

[2:30:28] sharing your thoughts. I will also start to wrapping up this space, but we'll have last speakers have their say. And because I'm going to do more spaces on this, okay? John has given us a new fresh life. He has reminded me that hey, this can't be let go. >> the presentation again. Yeah, definitely multiple times. Yeah, and and you know, like how like I don't know whether this was incidental, like there's a guy who sent me all kind of video messages to read and I don't

[2:30:58] listen to 80% of what he sends me, okay? And and then but he sent me this video and I don't obviously I don't listen to it. And then he basically called me, "Harjit, you should listen to this." And I he's never asked me if I should listen to this. So what I whatever came in my mind, I actually started listening to this interview. And as he said in the very first minute, I had John saying this and yeah, I don't know like it was like a kind of a break in that sense. But anyways, Daku ji, go ahead.

[2:31:53] Yeah, that's a good point, actually. Yeah, if John had made the allegations, yeah, I think what happened was if I remember correctly, Dr. G. A lot of money was paid by Indian government and Canadian government to cover up there to cover up their messes. And uh I don't know if there was an insurance company involved. And but I do know that a good amount of money was paid by the Indian government as well as the Canadian government. But,

[2:32:24] that's an interesting one if they're insured.

[2:32:55] Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one, actually. We should research who was the insurance company. And maybe they can sue the Canadian government for hiding information that they had about the Indian >> compensated more than cuz they were compensated to remain silent. Yeah. Maybe we'll see. But, that's an interesting lead. I'm going to research on that. Thanks, Dr. G. Okay, I I want to kind of start wrapping up. I want to kind of you know, in the end um uh, want to thank all the John especially for what he has done.

[2:33:25] Uh, you know, my huge respect. Uh, the pump will remember him. We will also honor him. I hope I hope, but I also want to appeal. I want to appeal to the Indians. I hope we get one Indian with a sense of pain. With a sense of >> Stephen, can I make one point before you wrap up completely? Go ahead. I was going to say that the pattern of behavior that you may or may not have noticed or other people may have or may not have noticed once the Indian state believes it's

[2:33:58] succeeded in a plot, it tries to repeat it. They they try to do the same thing over and over again. So, they did the plot with the the bombings the of their own planes. Then they try and, you know, arrange for more bombings in Europe. They don't succeed there. They start to um, kill Sikh activists in the UK and Canada. They get away with it in these countries and then they go and try in the US and

[2:34:28] they get caught. Now, I think the US, someone said that the US is really the only ones that um, will stand, you know, against India in these kinds of activities and I I think that's all we really need is the US. You know, these other countries are just a bunch of jokers, to be honest. The I put a comment in the in the uh, I put a comment in the space basically just saying that India, the reason why

[2:35:00] these countries aren't going to do anything against India is because India is largely controlled by the city of London and the financiers and the insurance companies and those people, so they'll do their bidding. That's why you see India's nowhere in this equation with the Iran um, incident and events that are happening there. You see Pakistan there. The countries that have assembled around the United States at the moment, none of them are none of them are linked to the

[2:35:32] city of London in the way that, you know, these Commonwealth countries are. So, that's another thing to keep in in mind. There's a There since the Bretton Woods, it's the city of London that ran the ran trade and finance around the world and that's changing. The US doesn't want that Bretton Woods agreement anymore. They've had enough of it. They want individual countries acting as, you know, in with their own sovereignty. And I think part of that's going to end up in the breakup of India and I think

[2:36:05] the US sees that it's a fake country created for administration and it's a bad actor as far as the planet is concerned. So, I just want to wrap it up there. Thanks. Yeah, no, absolutely. And um Yeah, I want to thank everybody for coming today and you know, participating. And if people anybody wants to open a space to continue the conversation, I would highly um There's another person who is just asking for speaker right now. But I think we're too late friend Arya.

[2:36:36] Um Um we'll you know, maybe next time. But yeah, people want to continue the conversation, you can probably open another space. Um I do want to urge everybody to retweet. I have made certain tweet threads on this on John's revelation. Please retweet it as much as you can. If you have any links, any relatives in media, in Punjabi media, in English media, please try to make a case with them that they should at least talk about John's revelations. Um

[2:37:08] please at the minimum RT it RT it multiple times. I'll try to do my best to do more spaces on this. But I think whatever we can do to to to get truth out I think that that helps. And so that's my request. Hope everybody can do their bit. You've already done a lot by coming here spending so much time talking about this. But let's keep talking about Air India 182 until the Canadian government does not tell us

[2:37:39] what they already know. Thank you so much everybody. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa. Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
