[00:06] Hey there. >> Hey there. >> I'm Ted R and I'm here for a D program along with John Kuryaku. Uh he's the CIA whistleblower. I'm the editorial cartoonist. Uh thank you so much for joining us. It's Wednesday, July 30th, 2025. It's 5:00 PM on the East Coast. Thanks for joining us on the Rumble feed, on the YouTube feed, and everywhere else you're listening also to uh people just listening to the audio. We appreciate you, too. Please like, follow, and share the show. Lots to talk about today, as always. Um, we talked
[00:38] about that this might happen, John. I I didn't think it would happen this fast. >> No way. >> The UK is almost certainly going to recognize Palestine at the UN General Assembly this September. Well, that's our lead. Uh we're going to be talking about u interesting news out of Iran where Iran's leading the way in abandoning US tech, namely GPS. And uh you know, we could see a lot more of this kind of thing coming in the very near future from all over the world. Um super interesting uh look into the future. Um is Israel losing the American
[01:11] right? The evangelicals who've been their loyal supporters. Marjorie Taylor Green is criticizing the Gaza war as genocide. She's right, of course, but it's amazing to hear her and people like her saying anything like that. Um, two CIA related stories that there's no way I'm going to let you off the hook, John, from talking about. Tom Sylvester is out at the CIA and uh Sandy Grimes, the lady who caught Aldrich Ames, died at the age of 80. We'll talk about her legacy and
[01:43] we'll talk about breaking news and anything else that comes up. And of course, if you have questions, please put them into uh the feeds and we always pick up on them and post them and talk about them. But uh we've got lots of stuff to talk about. So Kirst um he kind of like gave it kind of give some people are interpreting this as a wussy move but he basically said he'll recognize Palestine uh in September unless uh Israel comes to its senses and agrees to a ceasefire. They've been the ones
[02:14] who've been breaking all the ceasefires up until now. And um so you know obviously Israel's not going to do that. So, by definition, the UK will will join France. And there's a whole pestle of other countries who are interested in doing it, too. So, let's get to it. >> Yeah. Let's let's start, if you don't mind, with Tom Sylvester. >> Oh, thank you very much, Marble. >> Let's do Tom Sylvester. >> I just want to get this out of the way because we have so much to talk about
[02:44] related to uh to Gaza. Tom Sylvester is the uh the CIA's deputy director for operations. And in that position, he's you can argue the number three or number four U official in the CIA. He's in charge of all CIA operations around the world. This is a job that every CIA case officer aspires to. Um and by all accounts he's been very um popular uh
[03:15] among the rank and file. Well, if you've been the deputy director for operations, your final pre-retirement job is normally that you're named station chief in London. That is the one job that everybody in the CIA aspires to. Everybody wants to be the station chief in London. So he was named station chief in London um several months ago, but over the course of those several
[03:46] months, he gave an interview to Tim uh Weiner, who uh is the the Puliter Prizewinning author of several books on the CIA. Uh there's one coming out soon called The Mission that um Thank you, Eric. that um several outlets are excerpting and apparently CIA director John Radcliffe didn't like the fact that he spoke with Tim Weiner.
[04:16] Now, normally the director of the CIA will instruct his officers to to work with with authors, especially with Tim Weiner. But whatever it is that Tom Sylvester said, it apparently pissed people off. And so the job was unceremonious unceremoniously yanked from under him. He will not be the CIA station chief in chief in London. Uh, Director Ratcliffe informed MI6 apparently yesterday that Sylvester will
[04:49] not be the CIA station chief in London. And so today, Sylvester announced his retirement effective immediately. He's just going to take his pension and go home. Now, most of the time, senior officers, even if they're disgruntled, will keep their mouths shut. The fact that he's already spoken to Tim Weiner makes me think the story's not over. We're gonna hear more. Uh so that's that.
[05:20] >> So my fathering >> my father worked in government specifically in the US Air Force for for years at at the upper echelons and he told me and John tell me if this is correct that um usually when you know you're about to retire that's your one chance to vent and blow up. you know you're going to retire anyway and you've had stuff that you wanted to say. You've got one big thing you want to do, someone you want to blow up, some boss who was an [ __ ] and then this is when you do it and then you you retire and
[05:52] they can't get you. Is that basically what what happened here? >> 100%. 100%. And I I'll tell you my own experience. My last tour uh when I resigned from the agency was at the United Nations in New York. And um my station chief, Mary Margaret Graham, and I did not like each other, even not a little bit. And so a couple of days before I I left, she
[06:24] threatened me. threatened me with with putting out what's called a burn notice against me. >> Oh, >> I saw that TV show. >> Yeah, she she threatened me with a burn notice and I laughed at her. I was in her office and of course she had her little witness there, the chief of operations who was a just a little dwarf. So, um I said uh I said I'm not afraid of your threats.
[06:54] burn notice. I said, "Come on. You forget that when I made this recent recruitment, you congratulated me me by telling me to take petty cash and go get myself a blowjob." I said, "What do you think the Washington Post would say about that >> or the New York Times? Because as God is my witness, I'm gonna call them and tell them." >> And she immediately backed off. >> Wow. So, uh, >> by the way, I do want to answer, uh, maybe you can't answer this question.
[07:26] Um, Marble is asking, "Why is London a desirable post?" It's like the top post, right? It's the post >> because you get a gigantic mansion to live in. You get a chauffeur driven um, uh, Jaguar limo that that they drive you around in. You have the largest entertainment budget of any station chief in the world. Nobody's trying to kill you there. >> MI6 is the closest um alliance, right?
[07:57] Intelligence that we have >> without any question. MI6 CIA is the closest friendship in the world. >> So it's like it's analogous to in the state department, right? Ambassador to the court of St. James. It's the same kind of thing. It's it's the job. >> Yes. Exactly. Right. It is the job. I mean, >> it's like for an editorial cartoonist like New York Times, you know, it's like that, >> right? And and so Hans, I absolutely positively did not. I've never paid for it in my life and I'm proud to say that. So, although we all pay for it in different ways, that's
[08:28] >> nothing's free as my working girlfriends used to tell me. But even at lower levels in London, like I I did I I've spoken about this operation I did with Christopher Steel back in 2000 and my my I was in Athens at the time, but I would travel to London every week and then my counterparts in the station um who were you know just whatever GS12, GS13, GS14 uh they were living high on the hog too.
[08:59] you're living in Nightsbridge or you're living in in Paddington and this beautiful uh muse house and life is good and like I say people aren't trying to kill you on the way to work. >> Gotta love that. >> Refreshing. >> Um how by the way what do you what do you think of uh Tom Sylvester and what do you think of Tim Winer? Tim Weiner Winer Weiner. >> Um you know honestly I like them both. Uh Tom Sylvester was a was an inspired choice to be the deputy director for
[09:30] operations. The guy's been he was a station chief I don't know six times, seven times all around the world. He was a specialist in Soviet and then Russian um operations and um and really quite the good uh ops guy, careerlong ops guy. Spent almost his entire adult life overseas. Uh Tim Weiner I actually have a great deal of respect for. I gave him an interview uh for his his previous book
[10:02] about the CIA and he treated me with great respect. So um I you know >> I read that book. Yeah. It's a it's a solid read for sure. >> It's it's a solid read and and read and it won the National Book Award which is a very big deal. >> Yeah. >> Very big deal. I mean, it's it's definitely not a fun read, unfortunately. And I and that's my kind of idea of a fun read, but >> yeah, it doesn't, you know, I mean, I love I mean, that's all I read is that kind of thing. But >> I love it. >> Yeah. But I mean, the pros doesn't sing,
[10:35] but I would say it's worth it's worth >> a little bit on the dense side, but he footnotes the daylights out of his books. >> I appreciate that. >> He backs up everything he writes. It's It's quite impressive. And then his books are like 800 pages long. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm a sucker for those long books. Uh I've been hearing that like uh word counts are dropping at books. Like uh 100,000 120,000 words used to be a standard like fiction book. Now 60 or 80,000 is like closer to a
[11:07] novella because people's attention span is so short. But the biographies and and political non-fiction still is the outlier. They're getting longer and longer all the time. Um >> can I ask can I answer Eric um who real quickly? Um Eric, the um the rule on the Peace Corp was written in granite. There could be no contact whatsoever between the CIA and the Peace Corp for several reasons. First of all, everybody
[11:37] already accuses the Peace Corp being CIA, right? So it's dangerous enough. Secondly, the Peace Corps has no protection. They're out there in the sticks. You're you you are out there in the sticks doing God's work and there's nobody to protect you. So, we were not permitted to even like say hello if we ran into somebody from the >> good. I mean honestly that is a good rule that you guys had because I mean you know it's to me the analogy is the uh journalism the journalist embedding
[12:08] programs >> without a doubt >> violently opposed to um and you know it's like the the as soon as that started in Afghan in well in Iraq um anytime you went anywhere you know the the locals would say like well you're just uh you know you're with the US soldiers you're you know you're a propagandist you're I can't trust you why shouldn't I kill you and it's like I mean It's so dangerous. And then, you know, with a as a journalist, the only weapon you have is your your camera or your or your your laptop. I mean, >> that's it. You're on your own. >> You're really like your your dick is
[12:40] waving out in the wind. I mean, it's bad. >> Yeah, it's bad. >> Um, so, uh, do you want to talk do you want to talk about do the others? Do you want to do Sandy Grimes or should we save her later? >> Let's do Sandy Grimes. You know, Sandy Grimes Sandy Grimes is another kind of legendary figure and she never really set out to be. Um Sandy started off as a secretary uh in the days when I think she started back in ' 67 is what I read. But those were the days when women were not permitted to have leadership roles.
[13:12] Not just leadership roles. They were not permitted to really do anything of import. They were only secretaries and clerks, file clerks. So, she started off as a secretary and then rose up to be one of the the greatest mole hunters in CIA's history. And she's the one who caught Aldrich Ames, one of the most despicable traitors in modern American history. So, u and she she was totally unsung. She
[13:44] didn't. Even inside the building, if you would say to somebody, "Hey, so which one of these people over here is Sandy Grimes?" Nobody would know because she wasn't about the fanfare. Her job was to find the mole. And by God, she found him and he got life without parole. I remember George Tennant saying one time in a meeting that Sandy had gone to him. George of course was the director at the time and Sandy said, "I've identified him. It's Aldrich
[14:15] Ames." And it just so happened that George had to attend a White House briefing at which Ames was a participant. And um and George said that he just couldn't look Ames in the eye. He knew he was a traitor and he knew that he was going to be arrested in just a couple of days. And so he was determined only to look at Ames's shoes so as not to give himself away. And he said he couldn't help but
[14:47] to see that the shoes were um Oh, the shoes that that OJ Simpson wore, those like $500 shoes. Do you remember what those were? >> Oh god. Um I don't remember what those were. I had never heard of them at the time. I had neither. They're like Prada Prada shoes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then a couple of days later, uh >> that's always the thing, right? I mean, these guys, these these moles >> Yeah. >> they have too much money. Um they're
[15:20] living too high. That That's what it's like the mob, right? That's what attracts the wrong kind of attention. >> Absolutely. I'm gonna I'm gonna Google it real quickly. OJ Simpson's shoes. And while you're doing that, let me just bring in Robbie uh to talk about >> Bruno Mali. >> Bruno Mali. That's it. Well, >> shoes. >> Let me bring in producer Robbie. Uh guys, we just have to ask you a quick little favor and we're going to explain this to you. Okay. Robbie's our producer, Robbie West, who I'm going to see next week in Montana. Um so, uh we
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[18:25] inexplicably dprogram show, but you can just go to Rumble and just search for Dprogram and Ted Roller or John Kuryaku and you will find it. Robbie, thank you so much for that. Um okay, sorry for the ad guys. I mean, it's like we're getting to be like NPR John. Anyway, you were saying about Sarah about Sandy Grimes. >> Yeah. So, here she catches one of the most prolific uh moles in modern American history. And then the next day, she came into work and just went about her normal job looking for the next
[18:56] mole. So, I felt bad when I saw she died. I didn't realize that she was 80 years old, but God bless her. She was really one of those unknown heroes, those unsung heroes at the CIA. You know, every once in a while the CIA will give out something called a trailblazer award. I never understood these things. And most of them will be, you know, white men who were station chief like, you know, in Havana when the when Batista was overthrown or station chief
[19:29] when the last guy was pulled out of South Vietnam on the helicopter. And then they'll they'll toss one to somebody like Bonnie Hersburg. I worked for Bonnie uh in the office of leadership analysis. Bonnie was a terrific analyst. She was an okay manager. What she what trail she blazed, I will never ever ever understand because she was just kind of a typical run-of-the-mill manager. But then you have people like like this who um you
[20:02] know are unsung. But anyway, that's the CIA today. Lot of news coming in the CIA today. What what is what is before we move on from from her I mean what is the what are the personality traits that are required to catch a mole like what skill set is required I mean it's not you have to navigate also you're you're in the case of an Aldridge Ames you're you're bringing down someone who's uh you know got title uh position above your own >> oh yes you have a lot of institutional
[20:34] resistance no one wants to hear it right >> no one wants to hear it and I'll tell you But there are no bigger secrets than the counter intelligence center at the CIA. Um, that's a very important question you've asked, Ted. The the mole hunter at the CIA has to be somebody who is obsessed with secrecy to the point where you don't even talk to yourself like in your own head. Like for me, I'd be I'd go to the credit
[21:04] union and say, "I'm taking you down, Ames. you bastard. I would never fit in in a position like that. >> Um, >> and you have to and you and you have to not really care about like people telling you, "Shut up, Kiryaku." Like, you're you're you just don't like that you don't like games because you don't like his politics. You don't like the cut of his jib. This is personal. You're going after a good patriot, someone who's doing God's work for America, and you're being an [ __ ] >> That's right. That's right. U and and
[21:37] listen, somebody in counter intelligence is akin to somebody in internal affairs in a police department. >> I'll give you another example. >> No one likes you. >> I I'll give you an example. On my uh on my first at the end of my first full week at the agency, my boss walked me around both the new headquarters building and the old headquarters building just to point out where everything was. Right. Here's the cafeteria. Here's the credit union. There's medical services. This in the
[22:08] lobby of the new building is it's it's all glass like a glass atrium and they have windows and one window says health insurance and one window says life insurance and one window says sports tickets, right? And then there were a couple of other windows. He said this is where you go if you want to buy baseball tickets, basketball, hockey, football tickets, right? And then there was another one that said, well, I shouldn't say what it said, but
[22:38] it was the window that you go to if maybe you have a little bit of a drinking problem >> or you've got a problem with your credit or maybe you're taking care of your elderly parents and it's too much of a burden. He told me, "Don't ever go to that window." I said, "Why? It's nice that they do things like that." >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, "Because the people at that window work for counterintelligence and they don't give a [ __ ] about your
[23:08] elderly parents. They want to know if you're in a bad enough spot that you're going to turn mole." So this is so this is a little bit like uh in the cultural revolution let a thousand flowers bloom >> where the Chinese Communist Party and said oh we're opening up to ourselves to criticism you know all you academics all you people who might be accused of being counterrevolutionaries step forward the party's a big tent we want to hear from all of you guys then
[23:40] you step forward >> off to a May 4th farm >> nobody ever sees you again. >> Yeah, >> that's right. >> Wow. That is I mean that's some dark cynical [ __ ] >> That was my first week. I'm like, "Holy shit." I never even went in there to to buy a a ticket to the ball game. I was just afraid of somebody just seeing me go in there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you can. That That's what Tickatron is for. Um or mouse or whatever the [ __ ] it's called now. >> That's exactly right. >> Oh, man. That is that is so so dark. Um
[24:12] >> All right. Should we uh should we talk about um Palestine? I mean uh we have >> you were right, Ted. You were right about Kirst. And frankly, I didn't think he had the guts to do it. But then he kind of made a half step if you don't mind my you know taking over the conversation. >> Please. >> He said we're going to we're going to recognize Palestine in September unless the Israelis let food in and are nicer people about it. >> It's a decision to sign by committee, right? You can tell that and um you know
[24:44] and but I think it's probably very easy to agree to. I mean it's it's kind of like well okay fine. I mean the Israelis are not going to do this. I mean, it does have kind of I mean, I don't like it either because I feel one of the commenters uh deep down in the thread pointed out that really uh this recognition should just be based on uh not as a reward, a punishment for Israel, but it should just be a statement of self-determination for the Palestinian people. Couldn't agree more. In the original documents that led to
[25:14] the creation of Israel, and there's even a YouTube video of of Harry Truman talking about this, it says that Israel is going to be created, you know, today, whatever 1948, and Palestine will be created as an independent state pending further discussion. Okay, that was 1948 and we're still talking about it. Now that said, we are there's 153 nations. I guess it's going to be 155 soon. Um,
[25:47] Australia is apparently uh cir is uh getting ready to go to shoot to to pull the trigger. Um, Luxembourg is getting ready to pull the trigger. >> I didn't see that one. >> And uh and and there's there's a whole pel of other European countries that are Croatia. >> Yes. Croatia. Spain. >> Yeah. Spain's already in. >> Well, they're already in. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think basically, uh, it's like you said, it's going to be just the Axis powers of Germany and and and Japan and Italy who are going to be out with the US. What a
[26:19] what a what a mly crew. And, um, you know, but but so, yeah. No, it's it's a big deal. I mean, I think the the pressure built so fast on Starmer. That's what I I mean, I knew it was going to happen. I just didn't think it would happen this quickly. And you know what started it was these pictures that ran in the BBC of starving children that just opened the floodgates. >> I I really believe that. >> Yeah. Well, let's talk about that. Someone brought it up and I apologize
[26:49] because this was further and down, but I'm glad that someone uh asked about this question. So, um there was this very one particular photo of this one kid who was really, really, really sick and with these haunting eyes. And you can see why the why this particular photo went viral. And um the New York Times and other corporate media organizations have walked that back obviously in response to Zionists who've complained that the kid aside from suffering from starvation also had other
[27:21] diseases at the same time. Right? So therefore, but those other So the implication being maybe that these other diseases are wasting diseases, but they're not. Um but the kids was really really sick and he's starving. So um and he's that's which is why he was at the hospital. But um you know, look to me it's kind of like well what do you you know what do we make of that? My answer to that is I think it's the you know it's the last gasp of a dying regime. I mean, I think Israel is in real trouble
[27:53] now. >> I I agree. I agree. And I don't think that they really realize just how deep they are. I saw an interview, well, maybe you saw it, too. It's it's Tucker Carlson's latest interview. Uh, it just dropped and it's with John Mirshimer, who is absolutely freaking brilliant. And Mirshimer essentially said that he said that the Israelis just don't realize how how deep they're in. And and on the contrary,
[28:25] they're talking about this concept of a greater Israel, which is like includes the bottom third of Lebanon, the southern third of Lebanon. It includes, you know, another 50 miles inside of uh of Syria. It includes the entire West Bank and it includes the Gaza, I'm sorry, the the Sinai Peninsula. It's like, wait a minute, you guys should be thinking about your survival here and about your country falling apart because you're carrying
[28:56] out a genocide and you've got people who are in government talking about greater Israel. Mir Shimemer made another important point and this is how unhinged the American evangelical Christian community is where you've got the likes of Ambassador Huckabe or Speaker of the House Mike Johnson >> Mhm. >> saying that Jesus wants us to support Israel and Israel's policy. Well, last
[29:28] week Israel's policy was to utterly and completely destroy one of the last surviving Christian villages in the West Bank, drive out all the Christians and steal their land. So, you're saying Jesus wants wants the Jews to drive out the Christians, >> and that's what we're going with. >> It makes absolutely no sense at all. And so many Americans don't know how many Christians there are in Palestine. A lot of them. Um the by the way though% >> I do want to say and one of the things you wanted to talk about was uh the you
[30:00] know the the the split now the growing split on the American right over Israel. And I do want to be fair to Ambassador Huckabe. He's the US ambassador to Israel. He went to the West Bank and visited that town that's been repeatedly attacked by violent fascist settlers. Probably most of whom are from like my neighbors from Brooklyn. Right. >> They're from New Jersey and New York. >> Yeah. and those and those those those scumbags who've been uh you know mur murder murdering, raping and pillaging over there. Uh but at least he went
[30:31] there and he was he expressed concern and he was I think turned off by what the the settlers were doing. He showed up. Um Joe Rogan, who I think is unfairly characterized as a right-winger, but he's boycotting apparently he's not allowing BB Netanyahu to come on a show he who BB wants to come on. Um, you know, I mean, I I think they're losing the thread, the Israelis. Um, I mean, I mean, we're talking about a country that is uniquely, right, it's unique, right? It's the only country that's currently
[31:02] on the face of the planet that owes its existence to the United Nations. It's the only complete welfare state that owes its entire ex economy to the United States of America. It's ignoring the UN and its resolutions. It's ignoring public opinion in the US, the tax among the taxpayers who are paying that bill to the Israelis. I mean, these people are biting, chomping, stabbing, and hacking at the hand that feeds them. >> And you know, I mean, they're a rabid
[31:33] dog. And you know, I mean, I I I wrote a column this week that's called that Israel no longer has the right to exist. And >> yeah, I read that >> and thank you. the the argument that you know I'm trying to make here is in the community of nations there are some things you just can't that people can't tolerate like you know when Napoleon disrupted Europe um all these disperate powers who had competing interests got together to defeat him even though they hated each other you know World War II uh you know the US and the USSR were not
[32:04] buds but they had to come together to fight Nazi Germany not to stop the Holocaust because I mean the US certainly didn't care about about it. I mean, certainly the Russians cared more about it because it happened on their ter in their territory. But the, you know, they came in and they got together because Nazi Germany was so militarily aggressive and violent and out of control and disruptive, they just had to be put down like a rabid dog. I mean, same and imperial Japan the same way. That's exactly the scenario that we have now with Israel. They're such a
[32:36] destabilizing force in the Middle East, right? I mean, literally, even if you count like Iran, you know, and the Axis of resistance and all the shenanigans they had going on with the Houthis and all that. >> Yeah. >> It's nothing compared to Israel, right? I mean, just in the last few months, right? They bombed Iran. They did they overthrew the government of Syria and now they're bombing the new government that they installed. >> Yes. >> I mean, these people are nuts. >> They are nuts. And you know, I have to say, uh, where did I just see it? It was
[33:06] uh well, thank you everybody first of all for for going on to uh there it is. What what nonsense says USA sex predators flee to Israel. Oh boy are you right. So listen to this. I was in prison with a a pedophile. This disgusting horrible pedophile. He had graduated from Harvard and Harvard Law School and he was an attorney in Moscow.
[33:37] Um he to make a very long story very short he um was a an aficionado of the ballet and so he offered to pay the tuition for a 12-year-old Russian boy but he insisted that the boy live with him. The parents were like, "I don't know about that." But they were poor and this kid was like a once- in a generation gifted ballet guy. And so they allowed their 12-year-old to move in with a guy, um,
[34:09] Ken. Kenneth. So, uh, 12 hours later, Ken was raping this kid. And this went on for five years. Finally, um, the kid told the FBI what was happening. They issued an arrest warrant. By then, Ken was back in Philadelphia where his parents were exceedingly wealthy, big humanitarians. They, you know, donate to the museum, whatever. He ran immediately to Israel
[34:41] and the Israelis would not extradite him because they >> would not the Israelis don't extradite Jews. >> It's a it's a it's a law in Israel. They don't care what he's accused of. They're not extraditing any Jew. So, we asked for the extradition. They said no. Um, and then Interpol came up with an idea that was absolutely genius. I love when I hear about these these brilliant operational
[35:12] ideas that people come up with. This was my favorite thing to do at the CIA was just to sit around thinking up ideas with with my colleagues. They decided to they decided to sponsor a ballet show in Cyprus and they used a dummy email account to email him an announcement of the ballet >> to lure him >> and they lured him to Cyprus and they grabbed him at the airport and the
[35:43] criates extradited him and he got 20 years. He's still in that bastard. >> But the Israelis will not extradite Jews. Period. >> That's pretty gross. I mean, I just Yeah. I mean, I I think Look, I think the I think we're we're done here. So, look, what's what do you think is going to happen? I mean, by the Okay, so September now feels really far away. >> It does. I agree. And it's not it's four and a half, five weeks,
[36:13] >> right? So the so the UN so it's going to be Labor Day. >> The UN's going to come here to New York and [ __ ] up all the traffic and no one's gonna be able to move. >> And in that traffic is going to be a lot of new allies of or at least friends of Palestine. >> Um how many countries do you think it's going to be? It's going to be like the m our migration over to Rumble. Everyone subscribing over there. Um you know Palestine's signing them up. Um >> oh and by the way I I did want to ask you a little bit about this statement that broke. I don't know if you had a
[36:43] chance to hear it because it just happened right before we went on the air, but uh Arab and Muslim states u a member of the Arab League, the EU and 17 more countries have supported a declaration signed at a UN conference that was hosted by Saudi Arabia and France that basically uh is calling this also includes this cutter Saudi and Saud Saudis and Egypt. They're calling for Hamas to disarm and give up power and basically turn over all authority to the
[37:14] Palestinian Authority, which of course is Makbas, who's what, 92 or something like that. >> Yeah. I always say he's he's 16 years into a four-year term. >> Nice. He and he and Zalinsky have a nice democracy they they're working on. That's right. And and anyway, so they Yeah, he's over there. Um, so Makmoud Abbas, the sort of the the head of the I I guess it's like the Vichi kind of government of the West Bank kind of >> corrupt. >> Yeah, they're corrupt and they don't really do anything. But basically,
[37:45] that's what all these countries are calling for. Like they don't want to recognize Hamas. >> I mean I mean that's not it's not going to happen, right? I mean because first of all that's fat and they can't rule in Gaza. The Gazins don't want them. >> No. No. The Gazins have made it clear by voting Hamas in and the PA out. The PA is not the answer to this problem. you know, Harets two or three weeks ago ran this article saying that one of the things that's being discussed, and I
[38:16] think it isn't actually being discussed, I think they just put it out there to see what the reaction was going to be, um, was to have Hamas disarm and then to have Saudi Arabia administer Gaza while Israel continues to actually own Gaza. And then after a day, nobody really commented on it. And can I say something too about Cypress? This this thing that that the uh Israelis said about northern Cypress being an Israel problem. Um they
[38:50] they mean something actually contemporary on that. The Greeks, I am utterly ashamed to say that the Greeks and the Criates are 1,000% pro-Israel. And the reason that they're pro- Israel is severalfold. Number one, it's because um it's because the Israelis and the Turks hate each other. So if the Turks hate Israel, then the Greeks have to love Israel because the Greeks hate >> the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
[39:20] >> There it is. The other reason is because >> the Criates are sitting on an ocean of natural gas and it stretches into Israeli waters. And so the Greeks, the Cypri >> and and into Palestinian waters, right? >> Gazin waters. >> Gazin waters. Yes. And just like one little vein into Lebanese waters. >> Mhm. So the Greeks and Criates don't have the money to uh to lift this gas, but the Israelis certainly do. And so
[39:50] the three countries have entered into this joint venture that's already well underway to lift this gas. and it's going to make Cypress one of the wealthiest countries in the in the in the world over the course of years. So, we just I'm not going to say celebrated, I'm going to say commemorated >> the 51st anniversary of the Turkish invasion of Cypress. >> Oh, wow. >> The Turks invaded Cypress, killed thousands of Criates. 17 American
[40:21] citizens are still missing from the Turkish invasion 51 years ago. >> Yeah. This was in the 70s. Yeah. >> 1974. >> Yeah. >> And um >> I never understood what was the what was the >> what was Turkey after. I mean besides just territory. >> There were a lot of moving parts in this thing. So these were were literally the final days of the Greek military dictatorship. And as it was in its death throws, it overthrew the democratically
[40:52] elected government of Cyprus and installed a strong man by the name of Nikos Samson, who had been an assassin in sort of his previous life. So Samson announced a military dictatorship in Cyprus. The Turks saw that as the green light to invade and overthrow Samson, which they did in a matter of days. So the the democratically elected president returns to Cyprus. He'd only been in exile a week and the Turks never
[41:24] left and they've just kept onethird of Cypress, the northern third of Cypress. So what we're seeing here um what we're seeing here with the Israelis saying we have a problem with northern Cypress. There is no such thing as northern Cypress with a capital N. Um, the Turks call it the the trunk, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cypress. It's not recognized by any country in the world except Turkey, >> right? It's Turkey. It's Turkish annexed. It's Turkish annexed or Turkish
[41:56] occupied Cypress is what it is. >> It's just occupied Cyprus. Yeah. And so because the Israelis and the Greeks and the Criates are all in business together, the the Greeks and the Criates went to the Israelis and says, "Hey," they say, "Hey, we we need your help on on Cyprus. You need to say the right thing about the Turks." And so the Israelis hate the Turks like the Turks hate the Israelis. So they jump in on the side of the Greeks and the Criates. It's awful. >> Let's ask Let's I do want to answer this question uh by Godna.
[42:26] >> Yeah. >> Why would anyone Sorry, not that too. Um, is I'm have Okay, we'll answer this one. Why would anyone trust Saudi Arabia to administer Gaza? Um, they wouldn't >> is the short answer. >> They wouldn't. I wouldn't. >> Okay. >> Yeah, they're not. >> And then and then also um Yeah, that the scroll is moving so fast I'm having a hard Oh, here we go. Um, can you find your can you can we explain what what what happens as uh you know with countries recognizing Palestine? >> It's really I mean it's so it is symbolic. it doesn't change the facts on
[42:57] the ground and there is the concern that um you know in the case of of the republic of pal the future republic of Palestine or the present republic of Palestine depending on how you want to look at it it's divided right I mean it's literally um there's two governments there's the Hamas government and there's the Palestinian Authority um that's kind of an issue because you're supposed to know who you'd be able to talk to u but you know I guess like that's not being but I mean it what happens is it's legitimate right So the big thing is if you're a country that
[43:28] has a deal with Israel or is thinking of making a deal with Israel, once you recognize Palestine, you have to go through all of your trading agreements and everything that you have with Israel to see if anything in there is wrong or illegal or challenging to Palestine. So a good example of that would be let's say so Israel produces wine. They produce it in uh occupied territories for example in the Heights. Yeah. Which is, by the way, I have to admit, I've had uh this treason
[44:00] wine. It's it's really good. >> Yeah. It's really good. So, the Golan the Golan wine is um you know, for example, you would not if you've recognized Syria as an independent country, which most of the world does. Well, you can't import that wine into your country. And it's just a million little things like that and they add up. I mean, and there's more to it than that, too, right? If there's a genocide taking place, um, in your country, uh, in in you're recognized by another
[44:32] country, you can call their ambassador and say, "Listen, I need your help. Um, you know, there's stuff that we we need we need your cooperation. Can you help help us with intel? Can you you know, there's can you can you stop deregnize Israel? There's lots of stuff like suddenly the doors are open. You're not isolated." Um it reminds me a little bit of a strange uh meeting I had with the Afghan ambassador to uh Usuzbekistan during the Taliban period in and this
[45:03] was like in 2000 it was in 2000. So it was the first >> was he Talib? >> So he was a he was a northern alliance guy. So I'm so he had the embassy in Tashkant and um and so I so I asked him like well you know technically you're supposed to be getting support from the US and he said oh yeah he goes um we're supposed to be and I said what kind of support do you get and he opens up his desk drawer pulls out a yellow envelope and he's like here you go. I open it up and
[45:34] inside there's a map of Afghanistan and I'm like it's just and he goes that's the only support I have ever gotten from the US government. Like that's it. And I go well it's a it's a pretty good map. He goes it's out of date. He said the Soviet ones are better. >> And he's like and uh and I was like so how do you pay for all this? And he was like hemming and hawing. And I was like you guys mine rubies. And he's like, "Yeah, in Badakshan."
[46:06] So that's, you know, that's how they were subsisting. But yeah, but I mean, so I don't know. I mean, what do you think is I mean, what does it what's the practical meaning of of recognition for the Palestinians? >> I think um it opens the door for Palestine to be a member state in a lot of different international organizations, which gives them a voice on the international stage that they otherwise wouldn't have had. uh it makes them eligible for uh for financial aid
[46:37] both from international organizations and from uh individual countries. And uh you know we used to have a Palestine liaison office here in in Washington. Uh Donald Trump closed it in his first term and expelled the Palestinian diplomats. Uh, I would love to see Palestinian diplomats on the circuit again in Washington or in London or Madrid or, you know, Canberra or anywhere else
[47:09] where they're recognized >> and they could be and they could eventually have like one of those rotating seats at the Security Council um at at the UN. >> Exactly right. Exactly right. So they would be they would be the representative of the Asia group on the UN Security Council. Oh my god. Could you imagine? >> Huge. >> Huge. Absolutely huge. When I was at the CIA, it was Libya's turn. And we went apeshit over the notion that Muamar
[47:39] Gaddafi would be represented on the United Nations uh security council. And so we started this international lobbying effort and we got the Asia group to to deny seeding Libya on the security council and Egypt got it two terms in a row. >> Ridiculous. >> There were no other countries in all of Asia, you know, that should have been represented on the UN Security Council. >> Right. Right. By the way, uh really uh I think good point here from Sky. Uh after
[48:13] September, the US will be the only permanent member of the security council not to recognize Palestinian statethood. >> That is a very good point. >> That's a very thing is Israel is going to be a pariah. The question for President Trump and for the United States and really frankly Trump, we shouldn't pick on him on this because Democrats are equally guilty for having supported Israel. >> Absolutely. And this whole genocide started under Biden and he encouraged it and he funded it and he armed it. So,
[48:44] uh, you know, Trump just happens to be holding the bag right now. But the question for the US is going to be, do we want to be at the pariah table with little Israel or do we want to be with everyone else? >> Well, you know, in these in these votes in the UN General Assembly, it's it's not just us in Israel. It's also Naru and occasionally Costa Rica and uh you know one of those little countries in the Pacific that I can't pronounce. So
[49:14] we're not always standing alone, right? >> Like Vanuatu. >> Vanuatu. Where would we be without Vanuatu? >> Well, Vanuatu, I think Vanuatu is the uh closest to the international date line. So on New Year's Eve, they always are like, "Well, Vanuatu celebrated 23 and a half hours ago. You've seen that? >> Unbelievable. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's It's I'll answer I'll answer Yellow Banana's question. I'll be in New York City Labor Day weekend. How bad will traffic be for the UN?
[49:46] >> Horrible. Espec if you're staying on the up on the east side. >> East side. >> The east side is in Manhattan is is terrible. If you're like somewhere else, honestly, if you're up like I'm on the upper west. >> I had a I had a UN badge and I had trouble getting to the office. even with a UN badge and and I was walking so it's going to be bad on the east side. Stay away from the east side. >> Yeah. And it's always it's it's kind of like in general that's that's good advice anyway. Um Labor Day but all the
[56:28] >> That's right. >> So, uh, >> I always hated it. I never understood it. I didn't understand like how it like the interface makes no sense to me. Maybe, maybe you have to read from right to left or something. >> Maybe. But I think it's they're worried about GPS's in general now just because they believe probably rightly that the US and Israel have the technology to be able to um interface with the satellites >> and target Iran. >> Well, there are satellites, right? I mean, >> Bill Clinton, right? This was this was
[56:59] military and covert technology, right? Until Bill Clinton decided to publicize it. Um, I think wisely he was convinced that this was going to open up all sorts of technological innovation and it it has. I mean, if you think about something like, you know, you look at real estate listings and, you know, you can see a map of where the house is or whatever, it's it's amazing. But that technology, it's American and and it can be it can and was weaponized against the Iranians. So now they're looking for a Chinese or other alternative. Um, this
[57:32] story is not about Iran. This story is about the US having technological dominance. >> That's right. >> And and then that dominance being undermined by the US's willingness to weaponize that dominance um for short-term gain, losing sight of the long-term impact, which is that if you come off as a non-neutral arbiter, uh you know, you're not the rest of the world isn't going to want to trust you anymore, and then you're going to lose your advantage. I mean, you know, we invented the phone. That's why our area
[58:03] that's why our country code is one um you know we we we have I mean this is exact it's analogous to the dollar right we weaponized the US dollar so now Russia everyone else who's thinking well one day I could fall a foul of I mean Belgium you could fall a foul of the United States you don't know and then you know they could just decide to turn off the spigot and screw us and steal our for our reserve currency like we can't have that so you know get, you know, Swift or all these bank all these
[58:35] systems that if you want to control them and and take a little piece, you can't like put your thumb on the I mean the example I'm thinking of is like, you know, how did Constantinople become rich, right? Well, it's like right on the Bosphorus and they just collected tolls, right, from the Silk Road and just waited for ships to go through and everybody had to pay. And what made it work was they let everyone through and they charged everyone. If they had started to say like, ah, you know, the the [ __ ] those Sagdians, let's nail
[59:06] them. Um, then like that wouldn't have worked. Other people would have been like, well, we have to overthrow the the the Constantinople or we have to do an end route. We have to figure another way. >> Yeah. >> The US just doesn't I don't know. It seems really really shortsighted. >> Very very shortsighted. And we had the same conversation last week about sanctions. Countries have gotten to the point where sanctions just simply don't hurt them anymore because we are so
[59:37] heavy in the way we we levy sanctions against countries that they're forced to come up with the way around them. And let me interrupt uh our conversation for one second. Uh just as we were going on the air, exactly 60 60 minutes ago, Prime Minister um Mark Carney, the Canadian Prime Minister, announced that Canada would recognize Palestine. >> Holy [ __ ] That's amazing. I just had a little tingle there in my in my upper back. That's so great.
[1:00:07] >> It's it's happening. You're right. It's there's a hole in the dyke. >> The flood >> and it's it's it's coming. It's s it's you know to take a story from uh from the from from northeastern Russia it's it's a seismic shift. It's a tsunami. I mean but it is I mean no it is >> and Canada is also I mean diplomatically a very important country. I mean, you know, very much Canada is the country that when you're a backpacker and you
[1:00:38] want to travel to like you're an American backpacker and you want to go to like Afghanistan and not be thought of as an [ __ ] you wear the you put that Canadian flag on your backpack, right? Canada's considered neutral. >> I did that. I sewed a Canadian flag on my backpack in the summer of 85. >> Everyone thinks Canada is is chill. Um I'm wondering what can Canada cander strike means here. Canada is following orders from whom, I wonder. >> No, that that doesn't make sense to me.
[1:01:09] >> Yeah. Well, you can pipe in uh we'll we'll put that up whatever you if you reply to us. Um but yeah, so yeah, exactly. Houdini is like always say you're Canadian overseas like oh like yeah I like hockey. Um but yeah, so we'll we'll see what happens here. Um, oh, so, uh, yeah. So, there's so much cynical cynicism here, right? I'm not buying it. These elites that back to genocide already can't do good. >> Um, look, it's not because they're good
[1:01:39] people. It's because they read polls and like they know that basically the world isn't this. I mean, if they were good people, they would have come out against this [ __ ] on October 8th, 2023. I mean, you know, this is like because it was already obvious what the what the Israelis were going to do from within hours. I mean, they were they were having a great time. You know, they were looking forward to it. >> Yeah. >> So, um >> you know, I wonder if some of this is a swipe at Donald Trump, too, from from the Canadians.
[1:02:12] >> I wonder. >> It could be. It could be. Well, they have reason to be pissed, >> right? Right. >> Um I think Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm not ruling out that Donald Trump is going to distance himself from Israel. I don't It's not like he's going to like recognize Palestine, but he's right. >> I think the weapons flow has to come to an end. >> It does. Alyssa Slotkin, some a couple people have mentioned Alyssa Slotkin in the uh in the uh chat. She's the senator
[1:02:44] from uh Michigan, former CIA colleague of mine. Uh she, you know, Alyssa's complicated. She's Jewish. She was not endorsed by any of the Jewish groups in America uh in her campaign. U but she won. She won relatively easily in a in a year when Donald Trump carried her state. Um but she said that she would be willing to vote for a cut off of offensive weapons
[1:03:19] uh to to Israel. That's not going to happen. >> We saw a week ago there was a vote to cut off offensive weapons to Israel and it got like six votes in the House. So it's just not going to it's not going to happen. Well, I I don't think it's going to happen quickly, but I think I think by by Christmas time, I think we're going to see we're going to see some movement or it's gonna it's going to slow down or something. Do you do you think do you
[1:03:50] think that if it keeps happening if if country after country you know not including of course Hungary, Italy, Germany, the United States, but if these other countries continue to recognize Palestine, do you think that this could threaten the Netanyahu government? >> Yeah. Um >> because somebody's going to have to take the blame for losing the international community, >> right? And that has to be that has to be BB, right? I mean, um I I did a deep
[1:04:21] dive into Israeli opinion polling, as you know, because you read my column. Um yeah, and 76.5% of Israelis as of June >> um totally have no problem with the genocide. They're like a okay with it. And they don't think that Palestinian uh that the the needs of the Palestinians and their misery should even be taken into consideration in military planning. Right. So, this is um you know, let's let's be clear here. Even what passes for the Israeli left, they're not
[1:04:52] demonstrating against the genocide. They're demonstrating because the hostages haven't come home. Yeah. And and also they don't like Netanyahu um and and his corruption. But that's what this is about, right? Um, so we looking at it from the It's hard for me to see this from the point standpoint of the Israelis who basically have their heads up their asses while the whole rest of the world is appalled and disgusted with them and they don't see it. But I do think if from their point of view, if they're involved in an existential
[1:05:24] battle to expand Israel, drive and get Gaza for themselves, um, which obviously all is Israelis aren't stupid. They know that's what this is about. and that that project is going to be deeply hampered by losing US and international support. Yeah. Yeah. Who else are you going to blame? I mean, you can't alard it. Say, well, this is Ben Gir, but not, you know, but not Netanyahu. It's like it's all of them. The government's got to go. >> I mean, it's not like we're going to they're not going to be replaced with
[1:05:55] liberals, but >> No. No. There aren't any anymore in Israel. >> No. >> No. If there's a ceasefire, does BB go to prison? Well, if BB If BB is out of government, >> if he's out of government, >> BB goes to trial. >> Yes. >> And then probably he goes to prison, I think. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And this is a good point. Oh, thank you, Can Candace Strike. Thank you very much. Um uh where did I just see it? It we're
[1:06:27] we're getting so many comments I can't keep up. Yeah. Um, pug droid mixdeen don't think they can admit wrongdoing on anything. It's a mountain of war crimes. That's exactly right. >> Yeah. Well, that's for sure. >> And and and that's why that's why Netanyahu can't risk not being prime minister. >> Here's a big question for you. You know, back in the old days, people like Edamin would go into exile in places like Saudi Arabia. >> That's right. I saw him in Jedha in the in the vegetable market.
[1:06:57] >> What? I was like, "Oh my god, that's Ediam." And he was there with his wife like >> shopping for ears. >> Seriously? Right. What a monster. >> You know, there's a there's a famous story uh I forget if it was Time or Newsweek, but one of them interviewed him and uh at and on the back porch of his presidential palace and uh at and he um at one point uh was presented with a plate of human ears with tomato garnish and said like, "This is a delicacy in our country. Would you like one?" >> Oh my god. I remember reading an article
[1:07:28] once saying that in a conversation with a reporter he he was talking about the saltiness of bush meat and he said monkeys are salty, leopards are very salty but nothing is as salty as a human being. >> Yeah, he was a famous cannibal. Um did you ever see the that movie with the f by the French brothers? Um the it's in the criterion collection. It's just called Idia mean dada. It's one of the it's one of the most amazing film. It's a documentary. So
[1:07:58] this is amazing film, right? So basically >> for six months these two French brothers were given unfettered access to Ediamin. They followed him everywhere. Um they and this was right after uh the antbi uh mission by the Israelis and oddly >> his brother was killed >> and and and it had changed him apparently Ediamin um like for the filmmakers had the his army recreate the antbi mission
[1:08:29] from and they brings out helicopters and [ __ ] You got to watch it. It's like it's the and and also he swims. Is it the Zambzi? Um he he's swimming >> like next to crocodiles and like every morning and he like pushes them out of the way like get out of the way you [ __ ] rascals and but the most to me the it's it's completely you can't take your eyes off it but the best moment for me is there's a cabinet meeting and you can hear the air conditioner like rolling and he's going around the room and it's kind of like got that sort of
[1:09:00] East German kind of decor like you know sort of that uh lives of others kind of vibe and he's like okay So, Secretary of Transport, Minister of Transportation, um, sorry, Minister of Education, you're doing good job. Keep it up. Uh, defense, everything's looking good. He's going around and he's like, transportation. And the guy starts quivering like a leaf and he's like, you know, the service in the still getting complaints about the bus service
[1:09:30] in the capital. Just, you have my number, right? My four-digit number. And he tells it like 3224. You you I tell you you have a problem, you call me morning, do and night, you get it. Have you ever called me even one time? You never call and nothing ever gets better. And then the scene cuts and there's the guy's body floating in the river. It says the next day, transportation minister so and so was found floating in the Zambzi. I mean, >> it's unbelievable. But anyway,
[1:10:03] >> oh my god. It's crazy. So, okay. Well, so does BB Netanyahu, can he fly to Would the Saudis take him in as a as the as could they as the uh you know, prime minister of a Jewish state? >> Never. >> Okay. >> No. Never. >> So, there's some decency. There are limits. There are rules. >> I You know what? I think that the reason why they wouldn't ever do it is because their own people would overthrow them. Well, yeah, >> they did something like that.
[1:10:34] >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. No, he's more likely to end up, you know, in in the US. I I was I was in Oldtown Alexandria, Virginia one time. Now, this is this is 20 years ago and I saw Perves Musharif and his wife just window shopping up and down King Street. It's like, so this is where you ended up, you war criminal. Oh, he's a Yeah, he's a he's a Yeah, I could go on about him. Um, you know, because uh I've you
[1:11:06] know, I'm a commentator. I don't really break news. Um, the news that I broke ever was the was the Perves Mashar coup. Um, so I was down the street in Islamabad uh at a cafe just eating and um there was I'd just gotten down the Kakorum Highway taking like three or four weeks with my friend. Um, and so we're like hanging out. We finally arrived in Islamabad and there's gunfire down the street and uh, you know, small arms fire. And so I
[1:11:37] asked the waiter, the waiters always know everything. I said, "What's going on?" He goes, "Oh, they are overthrowing the the government." I'm like, "What?" He goes, "Yeah, Omar Sharif, he is finished. Like he's it's like they will be killed." I'm like, "What?" It's like I'm like, "Right now?" It's like, "Yeah, that's them now." So, so I got up with my camera and went and took a bunch of photos and talked to some soldiers and indeed like Omar Sharif in the van like like while I'm talking outside I'm like
[1:12:08] outside the van they're taking him off to be tortured right they did torture him and um so Perves Mashara uh you know and I knew because when we came down the the uh Kakorum highway we saw Taliban soldiers all over the place in and you know we were stopped at a checkpoint And uh we're like and they're like, "Oh, you're you're in Afghanistan." I'm like, "This is the KKH. We're not in Afghanistan. We're in Pakistan." And the guy starts joking and he goes, "Sometimes Afghanistan comes to you." And um because Perves Musharif came to
[1:12:40] power by as by with as an alliance with the P with the with the Taliban and he allowed the Taliban to enter northern Afghan northern Pakistan to go as proxies to go fight the Indians and basically say we didn't attack you guys. We don't know anything about it. It was called the third Kashmir war with the Cargill conflict. You know all this but this is for the this is for the audience. >> Um >> oh my god. And it's like, yeah, [ __ ] Perves Mashara. I mean, after 9/11, right, Pakistan was still responsible
[1:13:10] for what we they what happened to us more than any other country. Did they get justice? No. They got a raise. >> Nope. That was it. They got a raise. >> Yep. And like every exiled Pakistani leader, >> he's now in Dubai, which is exactly where um uh what was her name uh went. Um Prime Minister uh Oh, come on. We were just talking about
[1:13:42] her last week. Why am I having a >> Which country? >> Pakistan. >> Oh, BH Prime Minister BH and her husband. >> Yeah. back and forth between Pakistan and Dubai, presidency and exile, you know, crimes against humanity and all that stuff. >> Lovely fellows all around and ladies. >> Yeah, she's dead. Musharv's dead. They're all dead now. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's true. >> She took a a bullet to the brain is what did her in. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that it is a I mean, Pakistanis are spicy.
[1:14:13] >> Oh, yeah. It's a tough It's a tough gig. >> You don't want to cross them. >> No, it's a tough gig. I mean it's like I mean I I every moment I was in Pakistan I had the feeling that a riot could break out any second any second. Someone who just could just walk down the street and start screaming something in Erdo and the next thing you know people are out there with sticks and [ __ ] and you had guns out there like it's on and you don't even know what's going on. Um all right so all right where's Hamid Carzai? Hamid Carzai is still in Kbble
[1:14:45] living happily next to the Taliban. M's got balls of steel, but >> his brother's got a restaurant in Baltimore if anyone wants to go check it out. It's actually pretty good. >> I do like Afghan food quite a bit. Um, but well, not not the Afghan food there for the most part, just because >> the Afghan food in America is head and shoulders better than any Afghan food. >> It's like Cuban food. Cuban food sucks in Cuba. >> It's terrible in Cuba. >> Yeah. >> Like, how much zucchini can you eat?
[1:15:16] >> Or boiled chicken. Yeah, tell me. >> And and Bad Yellow Rice. Um, all right. So, >> what's your take on Immran Khan? I actually like Imran Khan. I liked and respected him. His problem is that anytime he has a problem, whether it's riots in the streets or an ingrown toenail, he blames the United States. >> I think we're gonna we're gonna leave that that there for the deprogramming for today. Um, just a reminder to everybody in case you missed it. Um, it
[1:15:47] would mean a lot to uh John and I and in the most important way, which is to say financially if you guys were to watch this same exact show the same exact way over on Rumble instead of YouTube. Um, you know, obviously if you can't for whatever reason, we love you on YouTube, too. But, um, we get paid a zillion times more over on Rumble than we do its pennies on YouTube. There's no comparison. So, um, you know, if you go over to Rumble and just watch this exactly the same way, it'd be much
[1:16:18] appreciated. You don't have to remember this weird URL. Just go to Rumble and search for John or Eisen, my name or the show andor the show, and it'll come right up. And so, thank you very much. We're here Monday, Wednesday, Friday, five o'clock Eastern time. We're going to be going in two weeks to a Monday through Friday schedule, uh, 5:00 p. am. So hopefully uh you guys will stick around for that. We love this show and we love you guys. We have the best fans and the best watchers and viewers. So, and we're fans of you guys, too. So,
[1:16:48] it's a mutual admiration society. Um anyway, John, always a pleasure. Hang in there. And u >> fun as it always is. It >> It flies. Time flies. It does. >> All right. And thanks everybody, >> by the way. O Canada. >> That's right. Kudos to the Canadians.