[00:03] The best thing you can say to a victim of child sexual abuse or of sexual assault is, "I believe you." That's by far the best thing that you can say. The worst thing you can say is, "I don't believe you." And so the Department of Justice and the FBI are saying that they don't believe hundreds of girls. And that's that's that's important to me.
[00:37] Hi, I'm John Kuryaku and welcome back to Deep Focus. The Jeffrey Epstein story is the biggest story in the country right now. And it's kind of crazy because it's about 20 years old, but it seems like every day that goes by, we hear a new revelation. And now the one person convicted and jailed for sex crimes against children in this case, the pimp essentially, Galileain Maxwell, is looking at the idea of a presidential
[01:07] pardon. This thing is complicated. It's more complicated than we realize. There are very clear-cut good guys and bad guys. And we are going to talk with the country's leading expert. I don't say those words lightly. the country's leading expert on the Jeffrey Epstein case. That's Nick Bryant. He is a prominent journalist and author. He is the author of a whole bunch of acclaimed books, including The Franklin Scandal, A Story of Power Brokers, Child Abuse and
[01:38] Betrayal, and his latest book, The Truth About Watergate: A Tale of Extraordinary Lies and Liars. and he's particularly well known as the leading expert on this case who actually owned and released the Epstein blackbook. Nick, thank you so much for being with us. This is really exciting for me. >> Great to be with you, John. >> Thank you. And there's so much to ask you. I'm not even sure where to begin. So, I guess the the most logical place
[02:09] is to start at the beginning. You wrote in the Sheer Post back in 2021 that Jeffrey Epstein had been known to the FBI as a likely pedophile all the way back in 1995. 199596, but law enforcement took no interest in this case until 2005. Why was that? Maria Farmer was the first alleged
[02:40] victim to come forward and she came forward in 1996 and she had said that she went to the New York police and they directed her to the FBI and she spilled the beans to the FBI and there was nothing radio silence. And then in 2005, this is kind of where the neutron goes into the plutonium. A 14-year-old girl told her mother that she had been molested by Jeffrey Epstein and her
[03:10] mother and father brought her to the Palm Beach Police Department. And at that point, the Palm Beach police just looked upon Ebstein as a rich philanthropic type. And but she described the interior of his home and also his anatomy. And she was from a a not a poor background, but a lower socioeconomic background. And the police believed her and they quickly found when they started to investigate other victims. And by the time they served a
[03:43] search warrant on Epstein in 2005 and there were four they had the statements of four five minors and also 17 corroborating statements. They knew of 23 victims, but they were going to start with those five. And it was four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor and one count of loot and lascivious molestation which could have potentially landed Ebstein in prison for a very long time. But then that case was taken away from them and given to a grand jury and
[04:16] in Florida generally grand juries are reser reserved for capital offenses. So, something was fishy right off the bat. >> And I don't know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work, but a special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury. And grand jurors are just people that have shown up for jury duty and been funneled to a grand jury. And the special prosecutor calls the witnesses that he or she deems as important and shows the evidence that he she deems as important. And there was a New York Supreme Court judge that said
[04:47] special prosecutors of grand juries have so much power over grand juries that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. And that was definitely the case with the Epstein uh uh grand jury because that special prosecutor Lannabell Lovic only called two victims. One had been 14 when she was molested by Jeffrey Epstein and she was now 16. And one w was 16 when she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein multiple times and she was uh
[05:20] now 18. So that grand jury just went by her lead and she basically skewered both the uh both the girls and >> wow >> was actually calling one a prostitute. I mean, it I've got I've got I've got the transcripts. It it was really really horrible. >> And that grand jury found that grand jury was a ham sandwich. It found that Jeffrey Epstein hadn't molested a single minor. And the real hero in this story
[05:53] is Michael Ryder. He was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department. He was threatened. He was followed. And there was a a terror campaign against him. But he refused to back down. And when that grand jury didn't return any indictments of child abuse against Jeffrey Epstein, he became quite viferous and went to the Department of Justice. And at that time, Alexander Costa was the US attorney for the Southern District of Florida. And he said, "You've got to do something about
[06:24] this." And Alexander Aosta assured Writer that he would. And then all of a sudden there was radio silence. And what was happening was team Epstein was negotiating a very very dirty deal with the US attorney. And I've got emails between the assistant US attorney and Epstein lawyer Jay Leowitz. And the deal that they've put together is so dirty
[06:55] that she says that we got to go to this magistrate. A magistrate is one step below a judge in the judiciary and they can perform the function of judges. She said we've got to go to this particular magistrate. He will sign it. So they went to that particular magistrate and he signed it. And then the feds sealed the agreement and lawyers for the victims at that point and also the Palm Beach Post appealed the ceiling and Palm Beach Judge Kenneth Mea decided that
[07:28] that documentation should be unsealed and then the feds appealed Mara's ruling and it was ultimately settled in the 11th Circuit which said unseal it. So, the 11th Circuit unsealed it and what was it it was an abomination really. Um, it gave all of Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators and it named four of them. It gave all of Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators blanket immunity. Blanket immunity. And it circumvented the Victim Crimes
[08:00] Rights Act, which is a it's a federal law. And it anytime if you're a victim in a federal court, the feds have to apprise you of the adjudication of your perpetrator and you also get to confront your perpetrator. But the feds just trampled on that. So they had the state make a deal with Ebstein and he got 18 months in county jail. He had to do 13. But he was let out during the day to molest little girls. And
[08:31] Alexander Aosta was being vetted by the Trump administration and he said why were why did you give him such a lenient deal and Acasta said I was told Epstein was intelligence and I had to back down and there's I I've talked to various legal scholars about this there's there's only two people in the government that can tell a US attorney to stand down. one is the attorney general and one is the president. Now, Alexander Aosta as a US
[09:02] attorney isn't going to cover up a nationwide pedophile network. He's not going to go out on a limb unless his superior says cover it up. And Alberto Gonzalez as the attorney general isn't going to cover up a nationwide pedophile network and go out on a limb unless his superior says cover it up. So ultimately that cover up lands at the foot of uh George Bush too. >> Yeah, I think that's exactly right. You know, when I was in prison, uh, I was in a low security prison for 23 months after blowing the whistle on the CIA's
[09:33] torture program. Most pedophiles in the federal prison system are in low security prisons. They can't go to the minimum because they'll just walk away and molest more children. They can't go to the maximum or the medium because they're going to be beaten, killed, shanked, whatever. So, they're all in the low, almost all in the low. But most of these guys who committed crimes very very similar to the crimes that Jeffrey Epstein committed have sentences of 20
[10:03] 25 30 years and Epstein got this sweetheart deal. So I want to ask you about Aosta. I actually feel a little bit bad for Aosta because I think that what happened to him is exactly as you just described. This was not his decision. He didn't just wake up one morning and say, "You know what? I'm going to protect a a national pedophile ring today." I believe that he was instructed to do so. And I also agree with you that it had to come from the top from George W. Bush. I
[10:36] have no idea why. But let's talk for a second about that word intelligence. That's exactly what Aosta said. He said that Epstein was intelligence. That could mean a lot of different things. That could mean CIA, which doesn't make much sense to me, but it could mean Mossad, which makes a lot of sense to me. I was on the Piers Morgan show a few weeks ago and I got into a little tiff with Alan Dersowitz. He said something and I think he said it because he was angry because it made no
[11:06] sense. And when you're a professor of law at Harvard University Law School, you shouldn't make silly mistakes like this. But I said that I believed that uh that Epstein was an Israeli access agent. Right? You're not going to if you're the Israeli Mossad, you're not going to recruit Bill Clinton. You're not going to recruit, you know, George Mitchell or Prince Andrew or whomever. So, you do the next best thing. You recruit the person next to those people
[11:36] who can then report back to you. And in exchange, you're helping to finance this lavish lifestyle. So Durowitz exploded and he said, "I was Jeffrey Epstein's attorney. If he had been intelligence, I could have used that to get him a lighter sentence." And I said, "A lighter sentence?" I said, "Professor, with all due respect, if you had gone to court and said you should give him a lighter sentence because he's spying for a foreign
[12:07] country, I would have expected to see him hanging from a tree instead." So, what do you think? Do you think we're looking at a foreign intelligence service? Do you think we're looking at Mossad? There are these connections that are well known between Galain Maxwell and her father and the Israeli Mossad. Should we just assume the same about Epstein? >> Well, with Epstein, he met with William Burns. Yes. Who would become the head of the CIA in 2014? I think they met three
[12:37] times. And why would someone a a career diplomat who would later be the director of the CIA? Why would he meet with a And at that point, Epstein was a convicted pedophile. So, and we've never gotten a straight answer about that. When people ask me about the MSAD, I generally say, and you've got some expertise in this area, I generally say that the MSAD very well might have been working with
[13:09] Jeffrey Ebstein, but I can't imagine that the CIA would not if if if the MSAD was compromising American politicians on American soil. I don't think that the CIA would just be cool with that. I think that the CIA would want a cut of that intelligence. And I think the fact that Bush 2 covered it up is an indication that it was the CIA. Would Bush have gone to bat for the MSAD? We don't know. But he certainly would have
[13:40] gone to bat for the CIA. >> See, that's the part that doesn't make any sense to me. He He probably wouldn't have gone to bat for Mossad. There there would have been no reason for him to do that. But to go to bad for the CIA, of course, it when you're the president of the United States and your father was the director of the CIA before becoming president of the United States. What I don't understand, and and this is one of those questions that really has no answer unless it's buried deep in some kind of classified folder. I don't understand what intelligence
[14:12] Epstein could have given the CIA that the CIA didn't already have access to. That's what I'm conf it confuses me. But you're right. There are so many different fingers pointing in the direction of American intelligence versus Israeli or other foreign intelligence. I spent seven years writing the Franklin scandal, which is the Epstein scandal is kind of a carbon copy of the Franklin scandal. And and those grand juries said
[14:42] that there were two of them, state and federal, said that those perpetrators hadn't molested a single kid. And then they indicted the kids that wouldn't recant their accounts of abuse, two of them. But I I got very deep into it and I ultimately got in touch with a blackmail photographer. And that's not a job description that elicits a high degree of ethics. So, I was very cautious with what he said and I do believe I I talked to him at
[15:15] various times and I do believe initially he was being pretty honest with me. Um, I think at a certain point he started to be dishonest with me and I told him that and uh haven't talked to him too much since. But I like his analogy. He's a unuous guy but he was a smart guy. He said once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht and it's a beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day and you can have anything you want on that yacht. But if you decide to get off
[15:48] the yacht, people are going to make sure that you drown. The the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown. And I think that that's the case with Epstein. But I also think there might have been blackmail activities. I mean, he definitely provided girl. I mean, like George Mitchell, um, I think he was one of the perpetrators. You mentioned him. He was the Senate majority leader. I believe that Epstein provided an underage girls to George Mitchell, which is when you look at him, he looks like a benign grandfatherly. You would never peg him as as a
[16:19] pedophile. But with all the cameras in his homes, in his New York home, there was a secret room very much like the Franklin scandal. And the secret room had multiple monitors and one of the alleged victims said that Epstein showed her the room and that there were men, as in plural, looking at the monitors. And then Virginia Gurey said that she had also seen that room.
[16:49] So I think that there was also a blackmail enterprise. I think he was providing children to the people on the yacht, but I think that also there was a potential for blackmail. Also, I want to ask you about the the black books because they they've been in the news a lot lately and much to my surprise, I get these automated emails from auction houses all the time. I love looking at auction cataloges. And so there's an auction house on the Eastern Shore of Maryland called Alexander
[17:19] Auctions. And three or four weeks ago, they had what they called the Epstein black book. And it was estimated to sell for between 80,000 and $120,000 and it it passed. Nobody wanted it. Um, you actually acquired the black book or at least a black book that belonged to to Epstein and it has a very interesting story behind it. Can you tell us how you ended up with that black book and why was it so important?
[17:50] Alfredo Rodriguez was Jeffrey Epstein's house manager and he pllined the black boy and he had been deposed and he was asked if he had any evidence that contri that could contribute to the fed's case and he had said no and then he tried to sell the black book to one of the attorneys that was launching civil suits at uh at Jeffrey Epstein. So the attorney called the FBI and the FBI did
[18:20] a sting because Rodriguez had lied about the black book and he had called the black book. He wanted $50,000 for it and he called it the holy grail of Jeffrey Epstein of the Epstein network. And I got it in 2012 and it was my first jaunt to Florida. And I was there for about 3 weeks knocking on doors talking to people and um I was able to get it. And in the black book, Alfredo Rodriguez
[18:54] circled people that he said were in cahoots with Jeffrey Epstein as far as his pedophilic pandering and and Virginia Gurey and her uh deposition, sworn deposition, she corroborated a number of those names. So with the black book, I initially started to call victims. There's a bunch of victims in the black book and I wanted to know how big this was and most of
[19:25] them didn't want to talk to me but some of them did and they were telling me about being flown around the country and flown to an island and at that point Jeffrey Epstein was a lone pedophile. There wasn't any talk of his collusion with with other people. soap. I was I was pretty stunned by that. Um although it looked eerily similar to Franklin and but I was still stunned by it. And so I brought it back to New York City, which
[19:56] is where I live, the mecca of publishing, and I tried to sell the black book in an article on the black book. And no one wanted to touch it. No one. And then it took me three years before a platform rocker was willing to publish it and and at that point I had flight logs. I was the first guy to release the flight logs too. Um and I wrote some articles on it and and it's it's kind of strange. I
[20:27] I just wanted to get it published. I mean, it it had been rejected by everyone and I thought, you know, Gawker, I might as well because it's a it's a it was a fairly big website. I I had no idea that it would be like epic like it turned out to be. And but what's interesting about that only two media have acknowledged
[21:02] that I was the guy that released it. They they've still stayed away from me. >> Just crazy. Just crazy. >> I've got a there's someone who's helping me now. Uh He's volunteering his time and he has a lot of media connections. And I had dinner with him about two weeks ago and he said to me, "As a journalist, you're radioactive." So,
[21:33] I just heard yesterday that I'm a I'm a Russian stoogge. So, welcome to the uh to the club. I want to ask you if I could about uh No, go ahead. >> I mean, there's a lot of knuckleheads floating around the internet. You don't know if they're knuckleheads or they're actually working for some deep malignant part of our government. And someone said that I was a CIA agent and you know, why would I release the black book and redact no names?
[22:05] If I was if I was actually CIA, I would have been redacting some names. So, I get a kick out of it. >> Yeah. People are not as smart as they want us to believe they are. I want to ask you about Galileain Maxwell. I'm utterly perplexed by this whole situation. She's at the end of the day, she's the only person that was convicted of a crime here besides Epstein. And Epstein, of course, uh having died in in the MDC Brooklyn, um was never, you know, convicted or
[22:36] sentenced in in the second, uh iteration of his charges. She she was convicted and got 20 years. 20 years is a very long time. She's doing it in a very comfortable minimum security prison because if you're a female pedophile, which is very unusual, you can go to a minimum security, not if you're a male. But now, at least this week, she's the darling of the uh Justice Department. The president won't rule out pardoning her. A child sex predator. Pardoning
[23:08] her. What should we make of all this? Well, I mean, she really got lucky. I mean, she the charges she was indicted on conspiracy to entice minors to travel and engage in illegal sex acts. conspiracy to transport minors to participate in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor to participate in illegal sex acts, sex trafficking conspiracy, and sex trafficking a minor. That's a heavy sentence in the federal
[23:38] system. Sex trafficking a minor. That's 15 to life. And and this is I mean this just shows how screwy this case is. She was indicted on three conspiracies, but no one else was indicted. And >> so where was the conspiracy? Unbelievable. >> What's that? >> So where was the conspiracy? You can't be the only person involved in a conspiracy. >> And now the feds are saying Jeffrey Epstein acted alone. So according to the
[24:08] feds, you Jeffrey Epste and Golain Maxwell didn't molest children together, which definitely isn't true. >> Which we know is not true. >> Yeah. And the Trump administration keeps getting itself in trouble. And on February 7th, our attorney general, Pam Bondi, or February 26, she said that she was going to release all the Epstein files. And
[24:40] then what she released was really a nothing sandwich. When I released the black book, we redacted the adults numbers and we redacted the victim's last name and their numbers. And I saw a rendition of the black book that I put up that she released to the quote unquote influencers and every name was redacted. So, [Laughter] she didn't provide us any new revelations. And then she said that she'd been bamboozled by the FBI. the
[25:13] the New York FBI field office. So, she's telling us that she's going on national television, she's telling us that she's going to release everything and then she says that she's been bamboozled by the FBI. And so, either she's lying when she was on national television, either she was lying or she's inept. And I'm a charitable person, so I just said she was inept. But then she kept on digging
[25:45] herself into a deeper hole. She declared that the documents would be released, but matters of national security would be redacted. So now she has to tell us why a bunch of child molesters have anything to do with national security, which she didn't. and and the uh the crescendo of her macity came on May 7th when she said that there was she said
[26:17] I'll quote her there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn and there are hundreds of victims and she said that they were just going through it at that point that was but the the FBI couldn't open Jeffrey Epstein's safe fast enough the morning after he was arrested the FBI I opened up and safe and according to the New York Times, there were lots of discs with a lot of child abuse material. And Business Insider reported that there were there were hard drives. And you can bet
[26:49] the FBI and whatever malignant corner of government that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in, they were looking at that stuff that day. They probably did double shifts because there was a lot of it. And so for her to say that they're just now looking at it, that it's been sitting in a corner of the FBI collecting dust, that is macity. Just outright macity. She seemed to be a little bit disingenuous, too, when she made that announcement a couple of weeks ago that
[27:20] the videos were nothing but child pornography and they will never see the light of day. We will never release. Nobody wants you to release the child porn videos. We want to know the names of the individuals who were committing crimes against children and we want to know why those people haven't been charged with a crime. And here we are weeks later and there's no indication from the Justice Department that that information is going to be forthcoming. I started a nonprofit organization
[27:52] called Epstein Justice and we want two simple baseline acts of decency. When you cover up a crime, you're aiding and embedding that crime. So, we want to know why the government has aid and embedded child trafficking in the Epstein case. And we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted. And it's it's very simple. And that's what we're we've been gearing up for it. And uh that's what we really want is an
[28:24] independent congressional investigation. But we can get a bead on some of the perpetrators. We can get double corroboration. Like Rodriguez circled people that he said were in cahoots with Jeffrey Epstein and his pedophilic pandering. And Gla Maxwell has circled who was obviously in cahoots. and Virginia Guffrey named her as a perpetrator. Former Israeli Prime Minister Aud Barack is circled and Virginia Guffrey named
[28:55] him as a perpetrator. The billionaire Les Wexner is circled and he had a very close relationship with Epstein. Um Virginia Gruff said that he was a per same thing with Alan Dersowitz. Durowitz is circled and Guffrey said that he's a perpetrator. And Bill Richardson, the former New Mexico governor and also Clint Zar Gizar is circled and goofy said that she had been molested by him. She waffled a little bit with Alan Dersowitz and I don't know why I I think
[29:27] that she had she was leveraged. I think that there was some stuff in her family that made her susceptible to leverage. At least that's my I I knew Virginia and um I was really stunned when she waffled a little bit on Durowitz and I called one of her attorneys who I've become buddies with and uh he said, "Man, I can't I can't talk about it. I'm really sorry." So, something happened there that we don't know and hopefully we will at some point know what what went on there.
[29:58] I wanted to ask you too just in the last couple of days there um have been reports that that Galain Maxwell at least Galain Maxwell's attorneys may be negotiating some sort of an agreement with with leaders on Capitol Hill that would allow her to testify under a grant of immunity. Immunity from what are there other uncharged crimes that she may be associated with? She Golain Maxwell helped Ebstein
[30:31] traffic girls for 20 to 25 years. And as I said, if you wanted to indict her on child trafficking, I mean, I don't know, 20 times, 30 times, 40 times, 50 times. There was that strange document that was released by the Department of Justice and the FBI that no one signed. It was released on July 6th and no one signed it. No one's going to take the fall for that document. There's a couple of things I do agree with that there was
[31:02] 300 gigabytes of material that was taken from that was impounded from Epstein. And I also agree that there were over a thousand victims and there were definitely over a thousand victims I believe. But then the that report kind of jumps the tracks of reality. It says that Jeffrey Epstein acted alone and and that there wasn't any blackmail involved. So to say that Jeffrey Epstein acted alone is really egregious because
[31:35] I've been I've been writing and researching about child trafficking for over two decades now. And I' I've spoke like the national serial exploitation has a world summit every year and I've spoken at three of those. I've spoken at a lot of conferences and um and and actually I've written on child trafficking for people that that deal with uh dissociative identity disorder. I contributed a chapter to it. So I've gotten to know um victims of
[32:08] these crimes pretty well over the years. And the best thing you can say to a victim of child sexual abuse or of sexual assault is, "I believe you." That's by far the best thing that you can say. The worst thing you can say is, "I don't believe you." And so the Department of Justice and the FBI are saying that they don't believe hundreds of girls. And that's that's that's
[32:38] abhorrent to me. It certainly is. Uh figures are beginning to point this week at uh at Donald Trump for a number of reasons. First of all, this statement that just seems utterly counterintuitive that there are no files. You know, maybe there's not a file that says list of Jeffrey Epstein's sex co-conspirators. Sure. Okay, I'll
[33:10] concede that maybe that file doesn't exist, but come on. Are are we are we in a situation here where to paraphrase uh uh Bill Clinton, it depends on what the meaning of file is? What are there files? Right. There have to be files. What are we talking about here? I mean there people were talking about an Epstein list and it's not like Jeffrey Ebstein ran a travel agency and he kept a list of his clients >> on on his refrigerator with a magnet. I
[33:42] mean but the black book names a lot of perpetrators. A lot of them are circled but a lot of them aren't. You can, one of the things that kind of differentiate a perpetrator from a non-perpetrator in the black book is the number of contacts that Epstein had for them. With Clinton, I think he had 24 contacts and with Trump, I think he had about 12. The Trump administration is really hurting itself. It came out with that 76 document that said Jeffrey Epstein act
[34:15] alone and then Donald Trump was blaming it on the Democrats that it was a Democrat conspiracy. But the the the the coverup started under Bush 2. So it wasn't a Democratic conspiracy. If you want to call it a conspiracy, it was it was a Republican conspiracy. And I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I have no dog in that fight. I'm I'm just looking for the truth. Neither do I. >> Mhm. >> So with Donald Trump saying that it was a
[34:46] Democrat, I mean, he's like Pam Bondi and Patel, they just keep digging themselves in a deeper and deeper and deeper hole. And when uh Speaker of the House Mike Johnson came out and said that he was adjourning Congress early so it couldn't vote on Representative Massiey's bill to investigate Jeffrey Epstein's child trafficking. That's kind of mind-boggling to me. And Mike Johnson constitutionally is the third more most
[35:18] powerful man in the country. and for him to shut down Congress so it couldn't vote on a bill to investigate a child trafficking network. I mean that's it's that that's evil. I mean it's nefarious. It's and slightly surreal too. and and I he is I've been reading articles about him and
[35:48] he has this software on his phone called Covenant Eye and his 17-year-old also has the same software on his phone and they monitor each other's use of pornography. So, he's monitoring his son's use of pornography who was 17 and the 17-year-old son is monitoring his use of pornography. And I'll say this, and you know how sophisticated the the intelligence agency intelligence
[36:22] agencies are with uh with their cyber abilities. Um, if Johnson is looking at certain types of pornography or child abuse material, it wouldn't be hard to tell him, you've got to shut down Congress. And that's certainly within the realm of reason in this story. You know what? I I hadn't considered that, but that's a very good point. That certainly could be it. But that then
[36:54] leads to the next question. You've gone through this with a fine tooth comb over the course of years. Is there anything that you've seen that would lead you to believe that Donald Trump has something to worry about personally? Okay. Donald Trump's name is circled in the black book and he was dishonest about he said he hadn't been to Epstein's home. He had been to Epstein's home. Um, and he was also on Epstein's Jet. There was someone
[37:26] named Katie Johnson who filed a lawsuit against Trump and Maxwell and that was her pseudonym. And she said that she'd been molested by both Trump and Maxwell. And there was an accompanying affidavit, too. And then she retracted her lawsuit. And I've heard multiple stories on why she might have retracted her lawsuit. We just don't know. But I looked for her
[37:56] and looked for her and looked for her for three years and I found her. >> Wow. >> And because she she might be a victim, I decided that I wasn't >> Well, here's the thing. I I decided not to call her. I decided not to text her. I emailed her and she's never got back. And this was over the course of the last three and a half years, I've emailed her four times and she's never gotten back to me. And I see that she's put together
[38:26] a life for herself. She's selling real estate in the Southwest. She's got a boyfriend. They go to Europe occasionally. So, it's difficult to know what went on there. I would I would love for her to talk to me and then I would I would I could get a beat on whether or not I felt she was telling the truth. So Katie Johnson is the only victim that we know of underage victim to accuse Donald Trump. But then that's such a convoluted
[38:58] ambiguous tale that it's it's really difficult to know what the truth is with with Katie Johnson. Justice for the the victims aside, I want to talk about the punishment side. Jeffrey Epstein's dead. Galileain Maxwell is serving a 20-year prison sentence, at least for the time being. Are there others who are at risk of being prosecuted at this point? Absolutely. We know the names of a bunch
[39:28] of pimps and the New York Times did a page article on on six pimps. Glenn Maxwell was of course the leading pimp but there is Sarah Kellen, Leslie Grath, Adriana Ross and Nadia Marson Kova and they knew all about that operation. They they knew everything about it. all the nuances, all the pers, and just with the information in that New York Times article, they could be indicted.
[39:58] And they could be indicted on multiple counts of child trafficking. >> And if you indicted Kellen Gr and they're they've been taken care of very well. Uh, Kellen, I think, has a $4 million house in Manhattan and a $3 million house um I believe North Carolina, but but don't quote me, but Kellen Grath Ross and Marson Kova could be indicted on multiple counts of child trafficking. And if if our Department of
[40:30] Justice was actually going to prosecute this case, it would be like kind of like a RICO case where you would indict them on multiple counts of child trafficking, which is, as I said, a heavy sentence, 15 years to life, and then they would roll over on the per. And then we've got lots of victims that would if if they could feel safe, I think that they would come forward if they they could feel safe. There was the Epstein victim's compensation program and there were 225
[41:03] women and young women that applied for it and 150 were given settlement or 138 were given settlements. 12 declined because and this is nefarious too. If you took any money at all from that the Epstein victim's compensated program, you had to sign an NDA and you couldn't go after any of your other perpetrators, which is another indication that Jeffrey Epstein didn't act alone. But and we don't even know
[41:35] the criteria for what goes on in that program because a number of women have been rejected who are definitely pandered by Jeffrey Epstein and and molested by Jeffrey Epstein. And this is kind of ominous. The media has just been horrible in in in this case. I mean, no one they're good at digging up salacious dirt, but no one in the media has really called for justice. I'm not aware of a major media outlet that that that's called for justice,
[42:05] but the the media has settled that the youngest Epstein victim was 14 years old. And I know two therapists. One's a pretty eminent psychologist. And she's has a client who she believes was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein when she was under 10 years old. And I know another therapist who has a client and she believes that her client was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein when she was under 10 years old. And actually the first victim describes the interior of
[42:37] his house, his New York house. And both those therapists feel that their clients weren't given settlements because they didn't fit the cover story of 14 years or older. And and that's really honest. with the Franklin network that the same thing happened. I mean, those pimps were into pubescent boys, but if you wanted a seven-year-old or an 8-year-old, they they had no compunction about that. They I mean, these guys are psychopaths.
[43:07] >> And Epste was buying Epste >> Epste was buying children in Eastern Europe, which is mindboggling to me, too. I I want you I'm going to pull it up. I want you if you could uh to tell us about um a variety of of um websites. We've got uh really the most important one is Nick Bryantnenyc.com. Uh you've you've really stacked this with great articles and interviews. You
[43:40] have a blog. Your your many books are listed. I I I didn't have time to mention um all of the books. It's quite impressive. one, two, three, four, five so far. Um, but tell us where people can go to learn more. You've got Facebook, you've got X, you have a number of different outlets. Tell us about that. >> The most important thing, the most important website that people should go to is epste.com. We're taking on the Congress and we
[44:14] we're and we're getting bigger and bigger and bigger and we need a majority in the House and a Senate to form an independent congressional commission. That would include citizen citizens like me, people that really wanted to do the right thing. If this thing goes into a subcommittee, it's I mean it's going to die. So >> it it'll never see the light of day. >> Yeah. So, we need an independent congressional and um Thomas Massie has said that he will
[44:45] endorse this. So, that's great. And then he's put out that bill uh 581 and there's 34 legislators that will that that are co-sponsoring that bill. So, we're going to start calling them at this point. And um what we need is to get momentum and make sure this doesn't we can shame these legislators into voting into doing the right thing. As soon as Mike Johnson made that macob
[45:18] announcement, we made made him the legislator of the week. We have the legislator of the week where we put up and we have people call and call his office or his various offices. So the the week before Mike Thompson was the legislator of the week and if I mean people think that they don't have any power and that it's impenetrable, but if a legislator gets 20 to 30 phone calls about an issue, they're they're going to notice that for sure without any doubt.
[45:51] Well, I could talk to you for hours. We're going to leave it there. Nick Bryant, thank you so much for joining us. Uh we we would love to stay in touch. This this thing is continuing to develop. It's like something new pops up every day or two. So, thank you so much for joining us. And ladies and gentlemen, I wanted to ask you again, just like I did in the last interview and the and the one before, please please hit the hit the subscribe and like buttons. It doesn't cost a scent and you can't even imagine how much that helps us. So, we
[46:23] really appreciate it, Nick. Thanks again for being on Deep Focus. We'll see you next time. >> Okay, John. Thanks. >> Bye-bye.