[00:00] I worked at the CIA. It's a big lumbering bureaucracy with a lot of stupid people. And it's it's not like it is in the James Bond movies where everybody's like, "Wow, right on top of their game." No, there are a lot of dopes. >> Let me just show you this and I was want to get your uh your response to it. So, this is Jenker from a place I used to work, TYT. And here's what he says about >> like in the old days, man, they they could do some >> So he's interviewing a guy, I think, who has written a book on the CIA and watch this. So in the old days, he says,
[00:32] >> who's [clears throat] >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Now I believe we have the opposite problem. They're not evil enough. [laughter] >> He's talking about the CIA that they're they used to really be bad guys, but now they're not evil enough. Let's listen. >> They're like not doing anything, right? But are they risking their lives to infiltrate? I mean, no. We never infiltrated al Qaeda. No. Yeah. I mean, that's unbelievable to me, right? >> A little bit. >> Uh, not only did we infiltrate al Qaeda, we invented al Qaeda and now al Qaeda is being welcomed. They did our dirty work in Syria. We paid them and now they're
[01:02] doing they're welcomed by the Secretary of State and the former head of the CIA in the United States in front of roomfuls of dignitaries. So, what uh Well, I'll play a little bit more and then I'll get your response. We We never even infiltrated al-Qaeda. We invented them anyway. >> Why would we have to do that? Why would we have to implement >> China invading Taiwan? >> Yeah. >> Embarrassing for our intelligence community. >> No, they don't want to. They don't. >> So this whoever this genius is says it's embarrassing for our intelligence community that they didn't infiltrate al it's a real interview. This really
[01:32] happened >> want to go through that risk. That's that's my assessment. They're willing to take some risk but not risk their lives. But that's that's the CIA. That's you're supposed to do that and hopefully in the service of US citizens. In >> fact, a lot of people you'd meet that >> Oh my god. That's Barry Eisler. >> Is that who that who's that? Tell me who that is. Barry Eler is a former CIA officer. I interviewed Barry this morning. Uh Barry's a former CIA officer uh who went on to be a prolific and very successful author of uh espionage fiction.
[02:03] >> Well, that is sounds like fiction what he's saying right there to Jenkuger that uh it was embarrassing that this intelligence community did not infiltrate al-Qaeda. [laughter] Do so you you obviously don't agree with that assessment, right? >> No. Yeah, I I disagree with you slightly and and I'll explain why. Um I don't think we invented al-Qaeda. I think we foolishly made a decision once al-Qaeda became the organization it became. It it partially morphed from the mujaheden.
[02:34] >> Yes. >> But um and we armed them. >> So we armed the musha which which morphed into the al-Qaeda. >> Yeah. >> And as Hillary Clinton said, we created them. She said that in congressional testimony. >> Pretty much. >> Yeah. Um, I think we were directly responsible for the for the creation of ISIS, but that that's a separate issue. But we foolishly believed that we could then we could then manipulate al-Qaeda to the point where we could get, for example, the 9/11 hijackers who had already arrived in the United States to turn
[03:06] against what we called al-Qaeda um uh base al-Qaeda uh the the leadership Osama bin Laden, Iman Zawahi, Muhammad at >> he was the number the number three the military I think is he was a mere for military affairs or some stupid title like that. Um, it was naive. It resulted in the deaths of 3,000 Americans in one day, plus 2 million Muslims and another 8,000 soldiers after that.
[03:37] >> Yeah, it was just it was stupidity. >> Okay. >> Stupidity. >> Um, >> but let me add one other thing. Checker I'm sorry, Czech Wigger's an idiot. >> He's always been an idiot. >> Have you heard his position on Sex with Horses yet? >> [laughter] >> Well, listen, you're asking a Greek to comment on a Turk, so already I'm I'm on a thin line here, [laughter] but um but he's so arrogant that he wants us to believe that when the CIA makes a decision to do something or the CIA takes a policy position, the first
[04:08] thing they have to do is they have to call Chank Wiger and explain what they're doing. It's like, that's not the way espionage works, you So, [laughter] so I just um well, let me show you this. Let me show you this. Hang on. There's I have so much here to tell you. [clears throat] >> So, here's what Scott Ritter says. Let me introduce you to the Special Activity Center. The CIA may be incompetent that I grant you, but to say they don't carry out covert action designed to undermine overthrow the governments of sovereign states is a whole new level of stupid.
[04:39] The CIA is the greatest threat to global stability in the world. No other single organization is involved in the violation of law, including our own, more than the CIA. America and the world would be far better and safer place without the CIA. Doug, do you have anything to say about Scott Ritter's assessment of that? >> I I agree with every word of that. >> Okay, great question. Scott Ritter Oh, yeah, I know him well. Uh-huh. Scott Ritter. >> So, the idea that that the CIA doesn't overthrow That's crazy, right? >> It's crazy. It's it's like it's it's
[05:09] task number one is to overthrow government. They've been doing it since the Italian election of 1949. >> Let me >> He came in and said Scott Ritter and he was talking about how the inner agency didn't want to hear the truth about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What's the inner agency? Cuz I don't think they're incompetent. I think they compartmentalize. You're allowed to look at what you're allowed to look at much like everybody here in America now. And nobody can see. I talked to people that have end and they don't know about things that have been disclosed already
[05:40] such as MK Monarch which I thought they would never disclose. We had a guest on who sent us the link in 2024 NSA archives. >> I wrote a paper by name. >> Yeah. By name. >> Yeah. So >> MK Chick Who is the inner agency? Who is that? >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. Um >> where do I even begin? I'll give you I'll give you I'll answer. That's your monarch. >> I'll answer your question by telling you um by telling you a story. Uh
[06:12] when I got back from Pakistan, I was I was promoted on the on the strength of the Abu Zubeda capture, which I'm now ashamed of because the man was utterly innocent of any of any crime against the United States. And I've consistently called for his release from Guantanamo. He's been there he's been in our custody for 23 and a half years now. Never been charged with a crime. But anyway, um I got promoted when I got back and I was named the executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for operations. In that position, you you see literally everything that the CIA is doing around
[06:43] the world. You have to sign I had to sign a half a dozen new uh security agreements just to start work on my very first day. So, we were getting ready to attack Iraq and a cable came in that was not just sensitive. It was from one of these special compartments, but it was actionable. Like, I needed to I needed to act on it now. Well, it came in a minute before my morning briefing of the deputy director and all the associate deputy directors. So I went up to the
[07:13] office and I said,"Well, we have to start the briefing today with an incredible cable that just came in in the such and such compartment." And the deputy director says, "Stop." He says, "You and I are the only people in the room cleared for this information." Which the room included the associate deputy director for operations, the associate deputy director for policy planning, the associate deputy director for counter intelligence, the associate deputy director for counter counterterrorism.
[07:45] It's like, are you kidding me? So there's a smaller group than this little group and there was. So he said, "I'll take the cable. I'll brief the director." So I just handed it to him and everybody was kind of doing this like pretending that they hadn't heard any of this. >> I was shocked. And then I I when everybody finished their their everybody just says what they're working on that day, um afterwards he said, "Close call." I said, "I just assumed that if
[08:16] you're one of the top eight leaders of the CIA, you're cleared to know what the CIA is doing." And he said, "Yeah, it's kind of funny, couldn't you?" >> That's amazing. That's I wonder. So, um, let me play one more video in this vein talking about the ridiculous things that people think believe about the CIA today. Let's listen. There was a time in America where the state department uh would carry the Pentagon would
[08:46] orchestrate and carry out coups in you know Latin American countries for instance or in Iran like there was a time when the government engaged in all sorts of unsavory schemes across the globe. That's definitely true. Okay, that's not the government we have today. How does anyone look at the inc? Like honestly, I don't think the current federal government is even competent enough to carry out a coup. I mean, they tried multiple times in Venezuela and failed. Failed.
[09:18] And like the way like the some of the MAGA Republicans quite honestly talk about the federal government makes me think, oh my god, they're asleep at the wheel. They don't understand just how incompetent the federal government is. They can't get anything straight. They can't get anything straight. And you guys think that they're like they're wiretapping you and they're scheming and they're planning on throwing Tucker Carlson in prison for talking to Vladimir Putin? Really? >> Yeah. Come on. >> I mean, like, look, man, I interviewed the CIA agent long time ago, about now nearly 10 years ago. It was a really
[09:49] amazing interview. She told me about honeypot uh schemes and stuff and how they trick their [clears throat] targets into >> thinking that they're going to get a sexual relationship. Like, it was amazing, very candid interview. And she's like, "Look, what this whole thing and that deep state stuff on the right wing hadn't started yet." She's like, "The number one problem with the CIA is they've become bureaucrats." And >> so I don't I just would like to get a CIA officer's response to that kind of ridiculous. >> It hurts my brain. It really does. I
[10:21] mean, listen, you can even go on Wikipedia and they'll give you a laundry list of of all the regime change operations that the CIA is known to have been involved in. What makes these guys think that the CIA is not at least as dangerous as it always has been? I it's it's a mystery to me. >> Edward Snowden revealed that they're that they're tapping everyone. Joshua Schulty. They didn't give Joshua Schultey 40 years for nothing because he talked about nothing because he talked
[10:53] about exactly what it is that the CIA is out there doing around the world, including in the United States. >> And look what they're doing to Julian. This was at the time they're prosecuting Julian Assange. They're saying like this. They're like, "Are you kidding me?" >> You are exactly right. >> They got his they got his toilet uh bugged. >> Literally. >> Yes. >> Literally. They bugged the toilet. And they didn't just walk in and do it. They got the Spanish intelligence service to hire this company and the company was working with the Israelis and the Israelis were working with the Brits and
[11:23] >> come on a lot of moving parts. >> A lot of moving parts. Okay. Um what? Wait, hang on, Kurt. I can't Why Why can't I hear him? >> Go ahead, Kurt. What? >> Okay. The deep state and I can't repeat this enough. Peter Dale Scott, a Berkeley leftist professor. >> Yes. >> Is the guy who invented the term deep state after he studied it for 50 years. It's not a right-wing thing. It came from a leftist Berkeley professor who also talked about COG, which none of these people talk about continuity of government. In fact, I'd like to know
[11:54] from John, how much of this stuff do they do under COG? Because Ali North hearings are talking about it. The shooting of Trump uh when everybody was lambasting that Kimberly, what's her name? She's from COG, the head of Secret Service when Trump got shot the first time. >> How much of this is like COG stuff? And do they keep it away from the CIA that way or >> Yeah, that's a great question. >> Oddly enough, the CIA has nothing to do with COG. They keep the CIA out, which is smart because you don't want the CIA
[12:26] to be leading the country in the event of a disaster, especially when you're going to have to question whether the CIA had something to do with the disaster, right? But yeah, continuity of government is is probably priority number one, which is which is one of the reasons why COG came out into the news this week because literally everybody I don't know that this has ever happened, at least not in my lifetime. Literally everybody in the constitutional line of succession went to the Charlie Kirk uh
[12:57] memorial service. >> Oh, >> literally everybody. What would have happened if a nuclear device had gone off in that stadium? Literally, the entire government would have been wiped out. So, we would have been ruled by what? A military huna, >> the guy from the Department of Energy or something. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> From Denver. That's what's under the airport. The new capital. >> Exactly. And there's one in West Virginia at Mount Weather. Yes. >> What is underneath the airport in Denver? >> The new capital for COG in case of a nuclear war. the you know the the uh Dr.
[13:29] Strange Love underground thing where they all sit around. That's what's in Denver. That's why >> there's one in Denver and there's one on the Virginia West Virginia border called Mount Weather. It's a hollowed out mountain >> and that's where that's where the designated few are supposed to be taken in the event of a nuclear conflict. >> No kidding. >> They had a congressional picnic in 2012 when the solar flare almost hit us and they would have went in there and left you to fry. >> You know, they gave us a tour when I first joined the CIA. They gave us a tour of Mount Weather. I actually never believed Mount Weather existed. And then
[14:00] they took us inside and I was like, "You've got to be kidding me." So, this is real. And they were like, "Yeah, it's real." >> And and they're very specific about who gets to go. It's much smaller than you might imagine. So, it's >> I imagine it's very small. >> It's very small. the president, the vice president, secretaries of state, defense, the national security adviser, a couple of the very top congressional leaders, the majority leader, minority leader, the speaker of the house, and their families, their immediate families, and then that's it. >> Well, what do you say? What do you say about Katherine Austin Fitz when she
[14:30] says that they've been they've somehow stolen 20 trillion dollars from the federal government and they building the building these underground cities to sustain the elite? Have you heard her talk about that? >> Yeah, I've heard her say that. I don't think that's true. First of all, I just don't think people are that smart. [laughter] I I really don't I worked at the CIA. It's a big lumbering bureaucracy with a lot of stupid people. And it's it's not like it is in the James Bond movies where everybody's like, "Wow, right on top of their game." No, there are a lot of dopes. I I was
[15:01] just telling a friend of mine yesterday, um we were getting ready to go on uh this is the honest to God's truth. We're ready getting ready to go on a raid in in Pakistan. We're going to raid an al-Qaeda safe house. And I remember saying, "Where's where's Chris?" "Oh, uh, Chris couldn't come." What do you mean he couldn't come? That's why he's here. No, it turned out Chris beat his wife. So, uh, we have this rule. If you get caught beating your wife, you can't carry a gun. So, he can't go on the raid without a gun. I said, "Okay, where's Jimmy?" "No, Jimmy got psychoaced."
[15:32] Psychologically evacuated. I said, "Why?" He went nuts this morning. Like, all right. All right. Let's just let's just go with what we have. So, it's not like the James Bond movies. Everybody's either nuts or stupid or slow or they have been in headquarters for 10 years because they're cowards and they're afraid to go overseas and it's easier to get promoted at headquarters. It's not like what people think that it's this, you know, tip of the spear and we're going to go in, we're going to kill the president and we're going to name our guy the new president. Come on. Well,
[16:04] what I think is it's like in Tragedy and Hope by Carol Quigley. Circles within circles. That's what an inner agency would be. So, of course, you're going to have a thick layer of stupid bureaucrats. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But somebody knows what they're doing. It's not no one steering it. And the reason those underground bases exist was because of nuclear war. That's the Edward Teller days. >> That's why [clears throat] they built that >> Exactly. It's not like we just thought of it. Now, the missing 20 million or 20 trillion rather. I I heard it was more like 4 trillion. But it's not that it's
[16:36] missing, it's that it's been spent or wasted. Um, a lot of it in secret programs, so there's no paperwork to document it. People have retired or died and forgotten. And Price Waterhouse Coopers goes in to the Pentagon to try to find it. And then three years later they throw up their hands and they say we cannot figure out this accounting system and they just quit. >> I thought it was Elon's fault for Doge not >> No, they they were able to find 250
[17:07] billion which everybody laughed at. Like where's Then where's the other 3.75 trillion that we can't find? >> But they were able to um I mean we did a Demidon coup. So they they pulled that See how he pulled that off. >> Exactly. Right. They got finally got it took them 25 years, but they got rid of Assad. >> That's right. >> That's another one. >> And they've had they did it through their proxies, right? >> Libya. >> Uh they did Libya, right? Uh they did get rid of Maduro in a short time and now they're back trying to do it again.
[17:38] >> Yes. >> Um and I'm sure they're doing stuff like that all over the place >> and they're not going to advertise it to us. >> That's right. Like Nepal just happened and I'm like I wonder if that is organic or if they went in and gave people money cuz that's what they do, right? the the Yeah, >> I think it don't succeed unless you got the bad feelings there though, right? It's not like they could just make it happen out of thin air. It could happen when you see the time is right for it to happen. >> That's right. >> Come see me on tour. I'll be in Sacramento, San Francisco, Irvine, California, Sydney, Melbourne, in Brisbane, Australia, and then Burbank,
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