[00:10] Good morning and welcome to D program with Ted R and John Kuryaku. It's Monday, December 22nd, 2025. Good morning, John. >> Good morning, Ted. How you doing? >> I'm okay. So, uh, yeah, it's been a busy weekend. Um, big media dump on Friday. Big, uh, big hubbub at a right-wing convention. Lots to talk about as always. And, uh, as always, um, little housekeeping. Please like, follow, and share the show. Uh, if you're watching this only on YouTube, but you're open to watching us on Rumble, please consider
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[01:13] today we're going to talk about the Epstein files, uh the Civil War and the MAGA movement. Um the talks about Ukraine uh Russian general got blown up again. Um well, not the same one. [laughter] And uh Barry Weiss uh seems to have uh seems to be censoring 60 minutes u from the right. So John, so should we should go through some questions and then uh maybe >> Sure. >> All right. So >> yeah, we do have a couple of questions already. >> Third, three birds, one stone. We are
[01:44] going to talk about the Turning Point USA confab. So we'll just save that. Um Chris Stub's show wants to wants more of Robbiey's takes on freedom, less government, and our rights. I promise you that will be forthcoming in the discussion about Turning Point. So you guys are just reading our minds. Aaron Bach, I thank you for the fir my first laugh of the week. Russia, if you're listening, release the files. [laughter] Uh, yeah, I mean, >> remember that? >> They probably do have them. Um, you
[02:15] know, so yeah, sure. That'd be great. Um, yeah. No, I do remember that. And I, you know, the Democrats always like acted so indignant about that joke, but it was a joke. It was clearly a joke. And it was a funny joke, too. >> It was funny. Um, so, uh, Ali K, uh, A L I K L Y. I don't know how to pronounce that. Not releasing files gives leverage. If those files are indeed so lifeending, it will be used as bargaining chips forever. Blackmail like that or political nukes. Maybe we'll talk about that. Tusk USA light-hearted question. What's John's opinion on Ivy
[02:47] League view of classic Greek versus modern Greek people's view? I understand they call it false. And before John, before you answer that, I just have to say when I went to Colombia, I lived in the Barnard dorms for two years and Barnard's an all girls school. And there were p there were vintage photos on the wall of like back in the 19s and 1920s where every single graduate of Barnard College had to be had to be tested as fluent in ancient Greek. >> And they would dress up in their, you
[03:18] know, the in in the in the robes and stuff and those black and white photos. And I was just like, these were smarter people than we are. [laughter] But anyway, go ahead. >> Um, the modern Greeks, it's funny, they don't really care about ancient Greek. Uh, it's not mandatory. It's not compulsory to study it in um in schools. Um, and you see ancient Greek on some of the old monuments and the old steelies and gravestones that are on display, things like that. And you can sound things out, but but they don't make any
[03:49] sense to the modern Greek. Um the modern Greeks are actually very proud that this kind of thing is still studied in the west in the important schools but they don't necessarily study it themselves. >> So that's interesting. So but it's not so is it is it not as as radical as a break as for example when Adaturk got rid of Arabic script? >> No for Turkish. >> No not at all. Not at all. >> So so it's still possible. >> Oh yeah. >> But is is the difference comparable to like old English versus new English? I
[04:20] mean that's obviously not as as far. That's only a thousand years >> but it but that's very close. Yeah. Even even I can sound out words that I see on grave steelies but I don't understand what most of the words are. There are some that are same like joy and health and luck that you oftentimes see on on household items like uh like uh pictures or cups made out of clay or whatever. M >> but most of the time it just doesn't make any sense. >> Gotcha. Um and is there any is there any
[04:53] argument about like which one is prettier? Like for example, you know how like French the French look down on Kebecqua French and like that kind of thing? Is there any or I mean we don't have any we don't Americans don't talk about old English. It's just like basically a foreign language. >> Yeah. Right. It's it's like a foreign language. >> Yeah. >> Um John Nicholas Franco wants to know from you. Did you hear about the meeting today in Jerusalem between the meetings of Israel, Greece, and Cyprus, and also about the combined quick reaction force that they're planning to establish?
[05:24] >> Yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine last night about this at a Christmas party. And um you know, this is all very sad actually. If if you're a supporter in any way of Palestinian human rights and you also happen to be Greek American, this is colossally disappointing because the Greeks aren't pro-Israel just because they're they're, you know, true believers in Israel. The Greeks are pro- Israel because the Turks are anti-Israel. >> The the Greeks used to have the closest
[05:58] relations with Palestinians of any European country. really >> every single Arab group. >> Now that would be Ireland I think. >> Yeah, without a doubt. But there used to be I mean there was a presence of every Arab group that mattered whether the West considered it to be a terrorist group or not. It had a presence in in Athens. And then as soon as the Turks flipped, the Turks used to be solidly pro-Israel >> and then they flipped under Erdogan. The
[06:30] Greeks then were forced to flip lest they be allied with the the Turks on an issue. >> Now the Turks were used to be play much more footsies with the Israelis, right? >> Oh yeah, they were very close to the Israelis. Very very close to the Israelis. And that changed dramatically around like 2000 or 2001. [snorts] Yes. >> Um if you so thanks for the money. Don't try to release the Epstein files. That's impossible. Instead, only try to realize
[07:01] the truth. There is no Epstein files. Then you'll see it is not the Epcene files. It is only yourself. If you don't know the reference, I don't know what to I don't know how to help you. Um, USX A-Rod, how much is trouble is Pam Bondi in for removing an image on the Epstein file dump site and people noticed? I would say that's not the trouble. I mean, that it's an indic. It's a symptom of the trouble, but we'll we'll talk about that. Uh, and John, you miss a real opportunity this weekend to box with this Damonte. >> Oh, I don't want to legitimize the guy.
[07:32] >> Yeah. Plus, you'd have his DNA on your on your on your Do you want that? >> Gross. No thanks. >> Uh, we're going to be talking about the Russian general, David Day. So, we'll get to that. Um, John, do they talk John John Hurtth wants to know from you, do they talk about mythology in Greek households as folklore for kids and story time since Greek orthodoxy is the main religion and obviously don't follow mythology anymore? Obviously, >> no, they they don't, but they do make sure that every child in Greece knows
[08:04] Esop's fables. >> Oh, that's interesting. >> Um, >> I was raised on them. Yeah, I was raised on them and then when I got to whatever it was, second grade or whatever, and they started reading them to us, I was like, "Yeah, I know all this stuff." >> That's Yeah, the French also really emphasizing subs um fables, too. Um I still I still remember my mom reciting them in French. Hey, John, this is from Oago Ekenna. Your number one fan from Nigeria. What's your take on Nigeria being on the partial ban? Uh also, this
[08:36] is obviously for travel to the US. Also, how will this ban affect the World Cup in the United States? >> Oh, good questions. I touched on this in one of the shows last week. Um, it it was uh I don't know, Wednesday, Thursday. Uh I'm I'm opposed to blanket bans on anybody, first of all, but I thought it was especially um mistaken to put a partial ban on Nigeria. If if you're worried about, you know, Nigerian
[09:07] Muslim terrorist groups in the north, okay, yeah, that's fine. You weed them out in the consular line. If you're worried about scammers, again, weed them out in the consular line. Let the consular officers do the the job that you've trained them to do. But to just ban a gigantic country like Nigeria where we have serious business taking place, especially as it relates to oil, I think is a big mistake. >> It's very cartoonish, right? I mean, because like look, a terrorist could
[09:38] come from a could come from Switzerland >> and you know, and most people who come from a quote a dangerous country like Pakistan, >> you know, are are not terrorists. So, it's it's just like you can't really say all, you know, they all they all put people in a box like that. It just doesn't even it makes no sense from an American national security standpoint. >> None. I I spent when I was stationed in Athens, I spent the better part of two years looking for a Swiss terrorist named Bruno Brigay. And then some of the greatest threats against Americans in in
[10:09] Athens came from the likes of Germans and Italians and, you know, other other violent left-wing terrorists. So, thanks very much for uh the 20 bucks from Daddy of Triplets. Um, >> thank [laughter] you. Congratulations. >> Yeah. Seriously, that's awesome. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I mean, I kind of I mean, I kind of was thinking I would have twins. I had for about a month I thought I was going to have twins. I was very excited about it. So, um, you know, I thought it would been really cool. Um, so yeah, thanks for that. Um, John, should we just get into the Epstein files, the our
[10:40] lead story, and then we'll yeah, get into the MAGA movement stuff. So, um, obviously, so you you know that when the dump is coming on a Friday that you there, that's because there's stuff to hide. And the thing that there was to hide was that there was stuff to hide. Um, first of all, according to this law passed by the Congress, right, the discharge petition, um, the attorney general's office, the DOJ was required to release all of the files. They didn't. They basically were like, uh, you know, like a like a like a kid
[11:11] asking a professor for an extension. the week on finals week like sorry prof man I was partying and I didn't get it all done they didn't really have an explanation for why they just released part of them they just said like it was too much and then um and then the other you know I'm thinking well maybe if you hadn't laid off so many people from Doge you could have processed >> yeah all of these files but I don't even think that's the reason but whatever who there's no reason to trust them the and then there's um a bunch of and then what was released was covered with so many redactions that John I had a total
[11:43] flashback to my childhood during the Watergate era and you know the explicit deleteds and the 18 and a half minute gap and you know all that stuff that came out from the White House tapes and it was like all just redaction redaction redaction uh 911 commission report same sort of thing I mean >> it's so here we go again right so >> here we go again >> we have some members of Congress who are threatening you know to to charge AG Bondi with uh with with um contempt of
[12:14] Congress, >> Congress, >> which you can go to jail for as as as uh as uh what's Steve Bannon did recent, you know, he what a year he did a year. >> Um so what's going to happen? I mean I mean first of all uh is the MAGA world contingent that cares about the Epstein files, are they going to be satisfied with this or is this just going to wet their appetite for more? Is it going to make the is is this putting the stink on this whole thing to make them even more curious about what's being hidden?
[12:45] [snorts] I >> if if I were a a MAGA person, a true MAGA person, I would be enraged by this because during the campaign, the president promised that he would release all the Epstein files. Period. He would release them. And this nickel and dimming people is just not a good look. Something's got to be done. And you know what? I think there's a real chance that Pam Bondi could be held in contemp contempt of Congress.
[13:16] >> Sure. >> I mean, behind closed doors, I mean, me even conservative members of Congress must be pretty angry. >> Yeah, you would think. >> I mean, literally, it is contempt. >> I would be it is contempt of Congress in every meaning of the of the world of the word. Um, do you think I mean look I like to try to be fair. Uh, I am opinionated but fair. Is it possible that a lot of the stuff that was redacted there's legitimate reasons to redact it? >> No. I mean not unless you're protecting the victims. Sure. You you redact the
[13:48] victim's names, but no. Releasing the documents means releasing the documents. I don't think anybody would object to to the victim's names being redacted, but otherwise, no. You got to release everything. >> There's gonna be a price that comes with this, Ted. There's gonna be a a price paid at the polls. >> Like, if if my if my local congressman happens to be a Republican and he ran in part on a platform releasing the the documents and then just sits by and twiddles his thumbs as the documents
[14:20] aren't released, there's going to be a price. >> Yeah. There's entire sections, right? like 20 plus pages that are or there's one section that's over 100 pages that's all black. >> Like I mean this is it's a joke. >> Yes. >> And um you know and I think also some of the victims probably wouldn't even mind having their names, you know, not redacted, >> right? Sure. Sure. >> I mean they I'm sure they didn't ask them. What do you make of the look that like it looks like Bill Clinton is all
[14:50] over these these [laughter] files, but Donald Trump makes naran appearance? >> Yeah, that's uh >> it's a bad look. >> It's a bad look. Release the dog on documents. >> Um so I mean so will this consider will this continue to fester like a boil or >> Yes, I think it will. the the the administration has been I mean they they start this whole [ __ ] started back in August right before the the recess and they went into early was it late July they decided to go into early
[15:21] recess and they thought that basically everyone would forget all about the Epstein files over their barbecue o during the summer. >> Isn't it funny that in this case see the Democrats usually screw things up like this. It's funny to me that the Republicans are doing, but in in this case, I think that the Republicans have misread their own base. >> The base is right about this, the MAGA base. It's all about transparency and honesty on there's something also to be
[15:52] said about these pedophile issues, right? >> Right. >> Why protect pedophiles >> of all people? >> Of all people. Is it the pedophile lobby that wants to make [laughter] >> big ped big pedto? >> Yeah, big pedto. I mean, why otherwise why >> why redact them and and uh and protect them? Makes no sense. >> Well, I mean, there kind of is apparently a bit of a big pedto. Well, there's or it's more like there's some pedto who are big, right? Is what it looks like.
[16:22] >> Apparently, so that seems to be what we're looking at here. >> And it's all going to come out too, right? Like we know this >> it always does. >> Always. >> The truth always comes out. >> It would be the first time ever that it didn't. So I don't know. >> Playing for time. I don't know what the point is. Okay, let's uh um let's see. Kirk Ker Plopus says Ukraine proxy war seems to be of by and for Zionists. So Trump is disappointing Zionists via Ukraine yet giving them Palestine.
[16:54] our take on this. Um I you know I think I think it's a I mean I think there's something I think there's overlap. There's a vin diagram but I don't think it's like one and the same. Um you know I mean it's Trump is mildly disappointing the supporters of Ukraine. But I think this is more about like uh reconstituted cold warriors who really just don't think that 1991 ever happened. And >> right, >> you know, I mean, what do you think?
[17:25] >> Yeah, I I I think that's that's right. It's like there was such hope for a while and now it's just such chaos. I I just don't get what's wrong with people. [laughter] >> I know. Well, [snorts] yeah. And it's like it's crazy, too, because people really they, you know, they take sides on on like Ukraine and when you confront people about basic stuff like, well, you know, it's a democracy. Well, it's not a democracy. They don't hold elections. It's like, well, you know, like, no, it's not a democracy. Just don't say that. I mean, you can certainly say we
[17:58] don't we don't support a non-democracy being invaded, but it's not a democracy, >> right? It's not a democracy >> by definition. Um, Elliot Covert, uh, do we think Epstein scandals played a role in reviving anti-semitism on the right? That's a great question. >> I never even I never even thought of that. That's a great question. >> It's a great question. I think I mean look it's Jeffrey Epstein, okay? I mean he he was Jewish and um you know and so you know it plays into anti his what he
[18:28] did or is alleged to have done plays directly into anti-semitic tropes. Right here you have an incredibly wealthy person you whose you know path to riches is still nebulous and and and not well understood >> who apparently controlled and and had access to people at the highest highest corridors of power in politics um the you know economic life uh cultural life uh you know and who skated free um when when he was caught um and you know
[19:01] basically you know He looks like, you know, kind of a classic anti-semitic poster from Nazi Germany, like, you know, the octopus with all the tentacles. >> That's right. >> So, I would I would think this this would play into that. >> Geez, I have to agree. I hadn't even considered it, but that's >> that's not correct. He's just he's just he's not like part of a Jewish conspiracy. He's just an [ __ ] Jew, which is not the same thing. >> Just happens to be Jewish. >> Yeah. Um, but can I file my [laughter] dub
[19:34] style? Can I file my taxes with redactions? [laughter] I've always wanted to do I mean I have always wanted to do alakart taxation. Uh, uh, you know, like where you can sit there and be like a portion like I would like x% to go to education, x% to go to defense and so on. I mean >> it would be we'd be living in a different in a different country. >> It would be a different America. No question about it. I mean, it wouldn't really be represent. It would be more like as close to direct democracy as you could possibly get in this country. All right, we have a clump here. User 81. Do
[20:07] we think Trump will place a travel ban on Pakistan to appease the base? Well, you know, I mean, that one would be closer to being to being justifiable. Um, you know, still not a good idea because of what you said, Phil. 202082 MAGA is enraged by this two-tier justice system was what Trump ran on and now we see him protecting two tiers of justice. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's right. >> Here. Here. Uh John Hurtth, how come everyone in the old and new images
[20:37] released from the im files aren't being held to the fire like Trump? Not defending him, but why hasn't Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, what's with all these bills, and Prince Andrew, etc., are getting off, it seems. Well, I don't know that >> Prince Andrew got off. I mean, he got stripped of >> everything. >> Remember, he could have been prosecuted in the United States, and there was never any move to prosecute him. And it's only because people were so so outraged among the British public that and he brought such shame to the royal
[21:07] family that anything at all was done to him. And really, what was done? He's not a prince anymore. Oh, poor baby. John, there's a Manhattan Mini Storage, which is the New York City's like storage unit company, has really cute and funny ad campaigns. And I used to bike by their big uh depot on 42nd Street and 12th Avenue. And they had a giant billboard that said protected and no one can get to it, just like Prince Andrew. [laughter]
[21:40] >> That's great. >> I wish I could be creative like that. >> Uh I think I could actually. I mean, I would, you know, it's like, hey, Madison Avenue, if you want to call, you know, you know my number. Um, Cyber in Jesero. John, now that it's been proven that the NE funded the Nepal and other Gen Z revolutions, can you tell us about the interplay between NE and the CIA? >> It's complicated. U, the NED is >> What does it stand for? >> Uh, the National Endowment for Democracy. Mhm.
[22:10] >> Um, it's it's a legit like, you know, quasi governmental organization, but unfortunately [snorts] it takes a shitload of CIA money and under the guise of promoting democracy, it um, essentially carries out the CIA's covert action business, which is not cool. Um and so you know where officially the US government policy is let's say you know promote democracy
[22:42] around the world the CIA the CIA will put up money meaning overthrow the Nepali royal family let's say >> for example well by the way you know freedom house would you say that was a I mean they were it was founded co-founded by some CIA people or ex um would you That's just it was or is a CIA front or like sort of an affiliate or like buddies or >> Right. Right. I wouldn't call it a
[23:12] front. I would call it an an affiliate. And I'll tell you another affiliate. When I was in Kuwait in 1991, we went in just as the you know with the Marines, just as the country was being liberated. And I'm there for about two months and all these Americans show up and they're civilians. and Ambassador Skip Ganim asked me if I would take them around to meet, you know, different political figures. Well, it turned out that they were the representatives of the um of the International Republican
[23:45] Committee and the International Democratic Committee. So, they were the international wings of the DNC and RNC. They arrived together, working together with the idea being to encourage democracy in Kuwait. I I thought, what a what a croc. And they didn't even they didn't even attempt to, you know, make it believable. First of all, Kuwait has a um constitutional monarchy. There is a
[24:16] parliament in Kuwait. It's very free. There are free elections, etc., etc. So what do what do we need the Americans to come in there and tell them how to do democracy? It was just it was just weird to me. >> Well, it's almost together. >> It's like this junket. We t we recorded a travel uh segment this over the weekend for rumble premium >> and I I mentioned my state department junka to Turk menistan where I was told you know basically part of a program to to you know explain democracy to people who live in in an autocracy and um you
[24:49] know it's like but but the but the the assumption is so the underlying assumption is silly the assumption is that like people who don't have countries that don't have democracy it's like they just hadn't heard about it and it's like as as soon they'll see the light, the scales will fall from their eyes as SOON AS OH, like we could, you know, you guys have such a great system. Yeah, thank you. Teach us, our wise ones. >> And it's not really like that. >> No, it's not. All they have to do is watch, you know, Congress over the last
[25:19] six months or the turning point convention over the weekend and they'd say, "What the heck kind of democracy is this?" >> Yeah, democracy ain't all that great. Um, this is a this we got some great questions. Thank you so much for all these. First, a comment, Phil. Anti-semitism is on the rise because people see what Jewish people support and what the Jewish government supports. First of all, it's not a Jewish government, it's the Israeli government. But I take your point. Uh blaming all Jews for what Israel's government does is like blaming all Americans for the CIA. >> Yeah.
[25:49] >> Yes. >> That part is very true. >> It is. >> Um so, uh this is I like this. Jackson um Jackson Tart John, can you explain the difference between the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the CIA? And did you work with the DIA? And what would be their role in the Venezuela situation? And there's how many there's there's like what 15 to like the MAPS agency? There's how many agencies are there? 18 >> 18 aent. There are 18 intelligence agencies. [clears throat] I'm going to sound a little bit uh not very nice in
[26:21] this uh with this. >> It's okay. But the truth >> here. [snorts] >> Yeah. The truth is um DIA was like the joke uh the joke organization in in government. Um the the purpose of DIA is to do defense analysis but only as it relates to order of battle intelligence. This unit is here on the map and this unit's moving there and that unit was over here and it's moving there and elements of this one are moving here. That's just in case we need to go to war
[26:52] like quickly with a country. So they do have analysts who will coordinate on CIA analysis. We agree, we disagree, you know, whatever. But one of the problems that that DIA has is keeping employees because all their employees try to transfer over to the CIA. So we we tried to not have much to do with with DIA. They were always a joke
[27:23] organization to us, but they've got their role for the Pentagon and or for what what are often called the war fighters, the country's war fighters. You know, they they do their order of battle thing. >> John Beer, number seven in the country on Rumble. And >> oh my gosh, we've started something new over on YouTube. You can now join uh you can now join the uh deprogrammed I don't know what the right way to put it is. You can join the deprogrammed thing on YouTube. [laughter] It's like I'm on the air. I can't check this right now. But um thank you to uh
[27:55] you know the team backstage for setting that all up. First, our first member appears to be Da M34. Thank you. >> Hey, thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. And uh so yeah, no ads right now. So that's weird. Number seven, but no ads. I don't know. That's strange. Um, okay. So, I guess we should move over to the uh the MAGA Civil War. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Ted, I I pulled up a couple Hold on a second. >> And we do have an ad coming, but go ahead. >> I pulled up a couple of uh quotes.
[28:28] There's a terrific Associated Press piece. There was an [cough and clears throat] AP reporter that was in the uh convention and took some great notes. Uh so here are some of the most notable moments from the 4-day conference. Ben Shapiro, co-founder of the conservative media outlet Daily Wire, set the tone with the first speech after Erica Kirk opened the convention. He attacked fellow commentators in deeply personal terms, saying some of the right's most popular figure figures are morally bankrupt.
[28:59] Candace Owens, listen to this quote. Candace Owens has been vomiting all sorts of hideous and conspira conspiratorial nonsense into the public square for years. Here's another quote. Megan Kelly is guilty of cowardice because she refused to condemn Owens for spreading unsubstantiated theories about Kirk's death. Tucker Carlson's decision to host Nick Fuentes was an act of moral imbecility. [laughter] It says, "An hour later, Tucker Carlson
[29:31] took to the same stage and mocked Shapiro's attempt to quote deplatform and denounce people who disagree with him. Tucker Tucker said, "I watched it and I laughed." Ben Shapiro, this is Steve Bannon, Ben Shapiro is a cancer and cancer spreads. Um, and then Megan Kelly belittled Shapiro as just a marginal figure in the conservative movement and said their friendship is now over. She said, quote, "I resent that he thinks he's in a position to decide who must say what, to
[30:02] whom, and when." And it just goes on. It's a schism mostly over Israel and anti-semitism. It's fascinating, right? So, we were talking about it before the show, and I'm I'm going to leave the a lot of space for Robbie to chime in here because I mean, we we need to hear from someone who lives in this world. I I just thought my question was, you know, as a former Democrat, as a lefty, you know, I'm from a a party, the Democrats don't allow these kind the the the the
[30:34] big debate between true progressives like actual leftists inside the Democratic party and the corporatists who run the DNC and run the party and allow and and basically quash people like Bernie and AOC and and people like that. So, you know, is is what's going on is what we saw a turning point, which is not really the Republican party, right? It's more like CPAC, but like it's like or something else. But the point is, >> is that is that the sign of a movement that's allowing vigorous open debate and
[31:06] uh you know, a constructive dialogue that's like basically like we're going to yell at each other and we're going to figure it all out. or is it uh is it chaos and uh disintegration and schism, you know, coming to the four? Which is it? Or is it both or is it something else? >> Right. >> It's both. It's both. And just one thing I sort of just kind of point out real quick about people have about anti- anti-semitism rising up on the right. I don't think that you're seeing any more Jew hatred on the right than you are on the left. What the issue is is that on
[31:37] my side of the political spectrum, the right is Israel is regarded as not an ally of the friend, not not an ally of the United States, not a friend of the United States. >> Yeah. >> But a manipulative parasite at best or an out-out enemy at the worst. The problem is is that Israel is always called the Jewish state. So if you level a criticism against Israel, you're automatically branded as an anti-semite. >> Yeah.
[32:08] >> Well, you gota remember >> and supporters of Israel, they that's what they do. They make their business. [clears throat] Like if you poke your head out, they like a mircat, they [ __ ] chop it off. >> And one thing y'all got to remember is that people on the left have been calling people like me for eight years a Nazi, a white supremist, calling us all these names. Well, what that's done is has made people like me say, "You call me whatever the hell you want. I don't care." That's what this is. It's just like how they used to just just scream the racism button all the time. By them,
[32:38] I mean the DNC. They use it so much lost all his power. It's the same thing that's going on here, but this time it's coming from the pro-Israel Republican orthodoxy. And that's the split. And that's why, you know, you can rightly say if you conflate anti-Israel with anti-semitism, then sure, you can say anti-mitism is on the rise on the right because we're the only ones talking about it. And of course, we got Fernie here coming in to give her two cents. Support [laughter] the cat's got to have an opinion. >> That's a progressive cat if I've ever seen one. Um, so yeah. Um, I mean, so it
[33:14] it is fascinating. the the part that like I find really fascinating is how right-wing politics in 2025 is so personal, right? I mean, it's obviously a reaction to social media and and all this, but like I can't remember any time in politics where um you know, it used to be like at least nominally about the ideas like you know your idea sucks, your idea is toxic, uh my idea is great. This is really like Ben Shapiro is a cancer. Cancers spread. It's so
[33:47] personal, right? It's like it sounds I mean it's just a reflection of our time, right? But it's also like how does that affect the way that the conservative movement is viewed? Does it sound like a bunch like I view it I'm of a certain age as like a bunch of squabbbling kids, but you know is does is that just normal for younger people? >> Oh yeah. No, for sure. I mean, all you got to do is go on Reddit and scroll for for an hour and you'll see. And but one
[34:17] thing that I really want to point out though, and I can't emphasize this enough, the worst thing that you could do as someone that has a normal nine-to-five job, doesn't matter if you are an employ if you are a a news anchor on Fox News or if you worked at Logan Health like what I did before getting doxed, the worst thing that you can do to somebody is call them an anti-semite, contact their employer, and get that person canled because what you're doing is that you are destroying their means of earning a livelihood. That's what you're doing. And then so
[34:49] then what people on the right are having to do, they're looking at this say, okay, so so the trope is is that there's a certain segment of the population that that gatekeeps everything. Look at you, Barry Weiss >> says, I will use we will use the SEO, Google's SEO, and we will crush people. We'll make it where you can't get married. We'll make it where you can't get a job. We'll make it where you are totally annihilated. >> I [ __ ] hate that. and and and I've been violently opposed to that my entire life when it's directed towards you know
[35:20] I mean might the other side right-wingers because it will always be used for everybody. I mean you just it's just it's just it's you can't have you don't have a first amendment like I love people who say oh well Ted you you can still post your cartoons to your website you know like sure >> go till go pulls it down. Yeah. Right. Well, or or you can post it to your website, but like if a tree falls in the woods, it doesn't make a sound, right? I mean, the whole point is I mean, it's Sophistry, right? You don't have a real First Amendment right if you're if
[35:51] you're afraid of using it and for fear of losing your livelihood. I mean, that's just losing your livelihood literally means you can die. You can starve to death in the street. So, it's not like a little thing. It's literally not that different than someone coming up behind you and shooting you in the back of the head. Yeah, very much so. And you know, here's the thing. So, think about this. The civil war that's happening on the right, one thing, the conservative movement is dead. And I say, good riddance. It should have been put in the graveyard many, many years ago so John could go take a picture of
[36:22] the headstall. Honest to God, [laughter] uh, >> well, I mean, the Okay, so you're going to have to blow that blow that out a little bit. When you say the conservative movement is dead, I mean, you can't just like drop that bomb and not explain it because, you know, from the left wing wings's perspective, they're in complete disarray. And and you know, we look at it and we like we're like, you y'all own the media. Y'all own the all, you know, both houses of Congress. Y'all have the White House. Y'all have the, you know, everything is
[36:52] going your way. You have all the state houses. What more do you want? How's the conservative movement dead? Barry Weiss should be very surprised to hear that the conservatives own media because that's obviously not true. Now, here's the difference between conservatives and the right with the old school conservative guard. I'm talking about the likes of of Ted Cruz who votes for big government, who votes for omnibus bills, who's always all who's always looking for the next war, who's always looking for the for the next foreign adventure, who's looking to advance empire. Then you have
[37:24] people on the right like me who are really, honest to God, America first. We have homeless veterans living under every bridge. >> That's right. >> We have 100,000 people died last year of drugs. What are we doing about them? We have people, no, my son's age, my daughter just turned 18. They're having to buy groceries on credit because wages aren't keeping up the cost the cost of living. So that's the split. There's nothing in the There's nothing about the United States that I want to conserve. I want to do a hard reset, blow it up. That's what Trump promised. And and
[37:56] instead, what we're getting is that you're getting conservatives and they are lying to the base, not because they think they can trick the base, but because they're showing the the pedophiles are on the Epstein list, we will self- emulate ourselves to protect you. That's what this is. And then to take it to a free speech perspective, Ben Shapiro is on the exact same page of this as Barry Weiss is. Tucker Carlson is the one that's encouraging debate. >> Where would you put Barry Weiss politically? I mean, I put her on the
[38:28] right. >> Oh, she's a straight up authoritarian [ __ ] I mean, can I make any more clear? >> Okay. Well, I mean, you can be a leftwing authoritarian, too. I just don't think she is one. >> Well, well, [laughter] I mean, here's a litmus test that I have. Like for example, uh I would not want to ever go to Greece because if you have my standing on immigration, I would get put in jail for for speaking. >> No, no, no, no. The Greeks are the Greeks are solidly anti-immigrant right now. >> Strongly so. >> But the point but the point I'm trying
[38:58] to make is if you have a political party ran on that on that MAGA platform, you probably go the way of the Golden Dawn and and get sent to a little island somewhere. No, Golden Dawn uh went the way that it went because it was not just advocating violence against foreigners. It was actually carrying out violent attacks including arson attacks against foreigners. >> Yeah. I did not know that different. Yeah. >> Yes. So then I correct it. See this one things I like about about this because I'm able to learn stuff and that's that's one of the things that's really important. But the point that I'm trying
[39:29] to make is if if you want to look at rightwing, what does that even mean? And if you're able to ident if you can qualitative, if you're anti-abortion, if you believe that life begins, it begins at conception. That's part of it. The other part of it is is that you also then take it a step further. That means that you also can't drop bombs on babies and kill them with bombs or start to sanctions. >> And that used to be a that used to be a liberal thing. >> Yeah, very much so. >> And and now now you got no Shapiro
[39:59] >> there in Pennsylvania sh signing his name to Bombs. So >> idiot. That's >> right. So, if you if um Rabbi and and John, I'd like to hear your thoughts about, but if you but if you were the god, if you were the the lord of of of conservatism, when you could snap your fingers and make happen what you wanted to have happen, um would would you quash the current um schism like the, you know, overtly just basically like don't allow this to be expressed so that people like me can sit back and just
[40:29] enjoy with popcorn or would you let it play out or would you purge the, you know, the the the the corporate side of the of the party? [clears throat] >> I I think Robbie's right here. I think you do have to purge the Listen, let me back up. If Donald Trump is going to truly remake the Republican party in his image, that it's going to be a MAGA party rather than this weird Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, hybrid neocon, you
[41:02] know, kind of sort of MAGA >> designed by animal designed by committee like that famous >> that's a great way to say it. The like the animal designed by committee. If he's if he's gonna really grab the bull by the horns, then he's gota he's got to do it and he's got to take a position on these issues. We should not have already gone this long, what more than 12 hours after the end of the turning point convention without the president of the United States having made a statement. Now JD Vance gave his talk there
[41:34] yesterday >> and took this odd like the the whole point of the JD Vance speech was to not criticize bigots like is that really the message you want people to come out of here with >> and also to make the argument that America is a Christian country or if it's not it ought to be you know and and so you know the thing is on the one hand I thought well you know over 80% of Americans identify selfidentify as Christians But of that percentage, how of them really are serious about it? Very few. Right. So I just wonder like
[42:07] there's a lot of cultural Christians, but there's not really Christians who try to live it. Um, so I'm just wondering I mean I just parathetically it's just a little little detour. I just I I found that super interesting and and like a little dangerous politically. >> Yeah. Isn't that the truth? >> Well, that's a big part of the problem again with people kind trying to conflate anti-ionism with anti-semitism because They're doing this on purp They're doing this as a shield. >> Yes. >> They say they're saying if you if you criticize Israel and they always call it
[42:37] the Jewish state. That means if you criticize Israel, you are criticizing Jews writ large. >> And then what then that might makes you that makes you a Nazi. Well, what do you do with Nazis? You don't welcome them into your society. You know, you punch them in the face. You deplatform. No. Listen to Randy Fine. Listen to Laura Loomer. Listen, Officer Brandon Tatum is probably the dumbest person. If there's ever a failed ever a perfect example of a failed abortion, it's that guy. He's just stupid. Completely stupid.
[43:08] >> Lauren Loomer's pretty pretty >> she's a necessitating an abortion. Yeah, >> brother. She is a genius compared to Officer Brandon Tatum. I don't know if he got dropped in the head or what, but talk about someone just a [ __ ] Oh, 100%. >> T totally agree. Uh, but I mean I have got more in common with a communist and a lefty than I do with people who proclaim to be my allies because y'all rallied around me when with everything that's happened. Y'all are my friends. Whereas you have Laura
[43:39] Loomer and her and her ilk who would put me in prison gladly if they could >> if it served if it served their purpose. Yeah, I'm sure that I'm sure that part's true. All right. So, I mean, you know, before we move on to Ukraine or I guess I want to talk about Barry Weiss next, but um I mean, so do you know what do we where are we in all this? I mean, Republican the Republican party and the conservative movement should be moving triumphantly into the new year. >> Yeah, they should be because the
[44:09] Democrats have their heads up their rear ends. >> Yeah. I mean, they should be. I mean it it's so I mean but it looks like the Republicans are going to lose the House and maybe even the Senate. Um the polls for the president are not good to to be charitable. Um you know the there's for the first time I think the first time in like 10 years President Trump doesn't seem connected to the American people and and and in his ability to read them. He doesn't seem to have that anymore. Um, that's that's a m that that's his
[44:42] that's his superpower and now it's gone, I think. I mean, am I misreading any of this? I mean, it just seems like both parties are in a race to political suicide to see who can [ __ ] themselves up worse. What I'm hope really what I'm hoping is that real lefties in the who are affiliated with the Democratic party will see what's happening on the right and get involved because you you can make a ruckus. All you need is a handful of congressmen because Congress is so
[45:13] closely divided. How we talked about it before the show started. You could if you could get five or six Democrats and five or six popul populist Republicans to work together, you could bring the entire system down to its knees and that would be a glorious thing. And that's the risk that I think the Democrats are playing here. They look at the right, they say, "Well, look how screwed up they are." Well, yeah, it's because there's there's ideological civil war happening. They have people on the right look who like me looking at the Democrats saying, "Okay, we're saying a lot of the same things that y'all are. A lot of y'all are
[45:44] anti-war. A lot of you are concerned about wages. A lot of y'all y'all say that you're pro labor. >> Uh we're waiting for you to to come over and join us. Where the hell are you? You're awol. >> Yeah. Well, leftists are are really demoralized. And that's a whole that's another topic for another time. Robbie, please. We're ready for that ad whenever you are. I'm going to take you out of here and then we'll move on to um whatever we're moving on [laughter] to. Um okay. So, uh a few a few things a few comments to get into. Doubled. Thanks for the f five bucks. Was anyone
[46:15] surprised Bill Clinton was a regular guest of Epstein? >> Nope. >> Nope. Uh, >> he's a dog. >> Thanks for another five bucks, Jones Jameson. Are you disappointed by Tulsi Gabbard's performance as director of national intelligence? I was excited when she was appointed, >> but at this point, I've given up on her. I'm I'm with Jones on that. >> I I have to agree. I I expected more. I was told two weeks ago that she wanted to see me and I said that I am available to her 247 anytime. Never heard a word
[46:47] again. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Well, okay. Maybe she's busy with Venezuela. I don't know. >> Could be. >> I'd like to think that's it. Sure. Okay. Let's read this. Let's get to an ad here. Still haven't tried 1775 coffee. Now's your shot. The 1775 starter kit just dropped. Only 1,000 units. You're getting the bold dark roast that hits hardless smooth medium roast in the vitality mushroom coffee for clean energy and laser focus. No crash. All single origin small batch toxin free and mold free. Plus, you're also getting a gold spoon clip because freedom isn't scooped with plastic. A frother strong
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[47:51] non-filtered coffee like you know like through a uh you know uh what are those things called? Like a >> press >> like Yeah, like a French press. You should like fil it. Apparently, um there's not causation, but there's a cor strong correlation between cancer and people who use um like that kind of coffee as opposed to through a filter. So, you definitely if you're a coffee person, want to use filtered coffee. >> Seriously. Okay. >> I've I've done both, but you know,
[48:22] now now you know. >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> Um yeah, sorry. Don't mean to be a bummer. Uh exclusively unfiltered coffee and I drink it all day long every day. >> Well, it's never too late to change. I have a I have an amazing coffee maker um that a fan was kind enough to gift me through my Amazon wish list. It's a It's a Dutch thing, the Technov. It's like the gold standard. It's kind of like a good Christmas gift to ask for because
[48:52] it's like three 400 bucks, but it's like makes [ __ ] great coffee, too. Um, >> Tusc says Robbie should be a union Democrat. I agree with that, although not a Democrat. Yeah. Um, daddy of triplets 10 bucks. Thanks very much. How do we overcome the current tyrannical type actions of the presidency >> and government and avoid it in the future? Well, that's a massive question. Where is breaking point of a capitalist society? Also a massive question. Um, I'll I'll take if you don't mind, John,
[49:24] I'll take a shot at the second part. Sure thing. So Markx suggested that the that the capitalist system had a natural tendency towards monopoly um and aggregation of wealth and rising income inequality. Um he called it pretty pretty well for the next 200 years and he said that ultimately a crisis of overproduction would be the end of it. Um that would lead to collapse and it seems like we have that now um with uh you know a lack of affordability. I mean, if if our societyy's capable of
[49:54] producing massive amounts of consumer goods, but if people can't buy them, and that seems to be increasingly the case, um that could be the beginning of the end. The problem is collapse is bad. Revolution is better than collapse because collapse can lead to, you know, sort of, you know, much something much worse. Look at the Soviet Union in in 19 after 1991. Um, that was very, very bad. Um, in terms of overcoming the tyrannical actions of the presidency, I think we're a lazy [ __ ] people. You
[50:25] know, we keep hoping that like peak oil or something will do our work for us, but the truth is nothing substitutes for rolling up our sleeves, grassroots activism, street demonstrations. We have to do this ourselves. I mean, politics isn't something you watch on TV. It's something you do personally, and we're not. But anyway, what do you think, John? Yeah, I think that's I think that's right. You know, we're in this we're in this odd period where there are a lot of different things going on at the same time. >> Um and and what I mean is we've got
[50:56] something of an imperial presidency and it's not specific to Donald Trump. the Democrats are doing it or or adding on to it at the same time where where the executive has been has been usurping authority from the legislative and the legislative just stands by and lets it happen. Um, at the same time, the judiciary has moved farther and farther to the right, and I don't necessarily mean politically so much as I mean constitutionally.
[51:27] um allowing the executive to usurp this power. >> And so we're we're offkilter. We're out of balance here. >> Richard Nixon could only dream of this imperial presidency. >> That's exactly what I was thinking. There there was a period, I'm sure you you remember, Ted, we were we were kids. we were teenagers or pre-teens where Nixon made a trip to London and really really loved the the uniforms that the palace guard wore with the big hats with the feather coming out of the top
[51:57] >> and he ordered the Secret Service to wear uniforms like that. >> Subtle. >> Yeah. Seriously. and uh and people just, you know, [cough] rebelled and they ended up selling the uniforms to a a local high school marching band. [laughter] >> Seriously. And inendale, Virginia. Um but you're right. What we're seeing today and is considered to be normal is something that Nixon just fantasized about.
[52:28] >> The personalization of the of the country in the person of the presidency was something that Nixon loved too. And and like I remember one time it was like this is breaking news, a special report if you remember those. And it was like I remember vividly it was like the president has a cold >> and it was like who gives a [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Uh but all right we have two more things to get to. Not only seven minutes to get to him so we should do that. Let's talk about Barry Weiss. So um 60 Minutes was uh planning a to run um a segment. It
[53:00] doesn't seem like it should be that controversial about where they interviewed some of the Venez Venezuelan nationals who were sent to the El Salvador gulag the sec prison and obviously you know I'm sure they had very bad things to say about it right about being mistreated. Um Barry Weiss basically quashed it and said more reporting was done. The producer pushed back saying that they had like uh literally checked every single source five times. Um Barry Weiss complained that that the uh White House hadn't
[53:30] commented their own side, but the producer pushed back that they had in fact reached out to various members of the administration, all of whom had refused comment. So if the refusal to comment basically can quash a piece, then that effectively allows uh 60 Minutes to be um censored by the government. Um, you know, this was exactly what we were afraid of when an ideologue like Barry Weiss got appointed chief editor of CBS News's division, despite having no experience whatsoever
[54:02] on the hard news side of anything. Um, I'm going to say I believe the producer here and I think and I also think it's important and I think it matters even though 60 minutes is a shadow of what it used to be. >> I agree. I agree with the producer. I I mean I I think the what the producer described actually happened. Yes. Yeah. >> And and so the question is does it matter? >> Yeah. It matters. So this is another part of this bigger problem that the media do what they're told to do. The
[54:32] media are all politicized both on the right and the left. We're not getting we're not getting real media from anybody. We have to go out and find it ourselves in just bits and pieces. That's where we've been left. >> Yeah. Well, it reminds me, John, of of like when we were [clears throat] growing up and we were taught like, well, how did Soviet citizens, you know, analyze the news, right? And they'd be like, well, we read Pravda, we read Isvestia, um, you know, we figured it out. >> They read between the lines. Yeah. Like
[55:03] the B, but basically it's detective work. It's not you can't just sort of believe what you see or what you read or what you hear. >> That's right. >> So, that's exactly right. So Barry Weiss, how long is she how how long is she for this world? I say she's not going to last forever. >> I mean, >> wow. [sighs] >> Black Rock is not going to like put up with her. I think >> I I think she was Black Rockck's preferred candidate. I really do. I do. >> I do. She's She's pro-Israel to the
[55:34] point of what I would consider to be a Zionist extremist. >> And u >> Oh, I agree with that. >> I think they like that just fine. Um, quick question, Tommy Doc. Who's the female bronze bust over your left shoulder on the bookcase? >> Mine? >> Yeah, yours? >> Oh, no. No. Female. I've got three bronze busts. One is on on the far right is Jose Marti. Uh, in the middle is George Dilboy, the the very first Greek
[56:05] American to receive the Congressional Medal of Honor. And then the one on the left is that Soviet Academy Award I told you about. >> Oh, that's awesome. Hammock, thanks for the five bucks and much appreciated. [laughter] >> Don't knock things down. You're all attached to wires. >> Yes. Seriously, >> I've done that where I pull everything. And also, John Hearth wants to know uh with three minutes left, how's your teeth, how are your teeth doing? >> Oh, thank you. Um I'm struggling
[56:36] with my teeth. Yeah, thanks for asking. >> Are you on antibiotics and stuff? >> Yeah, I sure am. Isn't that amazing? >> That's the Soviet one. So awesome. >> Isn't that great? I love it. >> That's fantastic. >> By the way, that that Soviet chick is hot. >> She is right. >> Yeah. I I you know she's definitely Hey, so um I think the Ukrainian secret intelligence services are they're they're trying to basically make it make the job of Russian general basically
[57:07] like being al Qaeda number two. Um it's like [laughter] so so what's with the Russians that they can't protect their generals on their own city streets? >> You know, this is like the dirty little secret of the of the Ukraine war. Um, the Ukrainians have infiltrated uh, Russia and they're able to operate there on a clandestine basis and get away with it. And >> it's got to be like driving the FSB insane. >> It's got to be. It's got to be. And And
[57:39] honestly, if I were Vladimir Putin, heads would be rolling at the FSB. >> I'd be furious. >> I mean, this is this is the third general that they've lost this one. >> Yeah. Right. Right. And these aren't the the guys. >> And obviously it's the Yukis. It is. It's them. >> It has to be. >> Who else? >> Literally nobody. >> Guy's ex-wife, you know. >> That's right. >> That is right, man. >> So So, okay. So, even as Trump is um trying to uh basically um you know, start war with Venezuela and seizing
[58:11] another oil tanker, by the way. Um so, by the way, I read that there's a what is it? hundred each tanker has roughly a hundred million dollars worth of oil inside. So it's not nothing. It's not small potatoes. Um but uh but he's now his new goal is he would like to announce peace between Russia and Ukraine by Thursday, Christmas Day. >> Yes. >> Going to happen? Doesn't look like it to me. >> No, I don't think so. But the Russians have been saying all the right things the last 24 hours or so. The Russians
[58:43] are saying, "Well, it's possible." Sure, it's possible. We'll see. I think that's pretty dramatic. >> I mean, I think the holdup is the Ukrainians. I mean, they just seemed like they haven't really made meaningful concessions, at least that we that have been leaked out. I mean, it's possible that they're, >> you know, privately, but it's like I think it would have been leaked. >> You would think. Yes, agreed. >> So, all right. Well, >> so thanks everyone for watching. Uh, sorry it was a it's always a fastmoving
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[59:43] have the flu who didn't get the flu. So anyway, thanks John. See you later. >> Thanks Ted. Bye bye. >> Bye. [music] >> [music]