[00:00] Are we ever really going to get anywhere near the truth? >> Well, it's it the whole thing is just sickening, is it not? Uh I think we all expected more information like this. I'm not sure any of us expected 3 million documents all in one trunch. The real shame of this entire episode is that for the most part, the statute of limitations seem to have expired and I think it's highly unlikely that anybody will be will be brought to justice. Perhaps we're going to have to be happy
[00:30] with just um just uh allowing these men to to be social outcasts for the rest of their lives. And and think of it this way. In their obituaries, this is going to be the story. And maybe that's worse than uh than what we might want to see them face right now. >> That's right. I mean, you know, it's it's a legacy which eclipses any >> That's right. >> any good doing that either of those men may have done. and indeed all the others who are listed including it has to be said although there's no allegation of of wrongdoing against for example Bill
[01:01] Clinton and the current President Trump what will happen now do you think and you know what are the legalities around the former prince being held to account in front of Congress or indeed American court >> yeah I'm not sure that legally the Congress can demand that he appear to uh to testify I worked for years on Capitol Hill and it was always more of a uh of an informal will you do us the kindness of appearing before the committee? They can't subpoena him because he's not an
[01:32] American citizen. He's not located in the United States. But um really what would it accomplish? They would ask questions and he would either uh refuse answer or give answers that I think most people would find unacceptable. And so I I don't see much uh much coming of it. There's there's one important point that you just raised a moment ago. A lot of people I think thought that thought that there would be more obvious crimes having been committed by the likes of Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. And we're
[02:03] not seeing that right now. Both Trump and Clinton have said that they committed no crimes. We're seeing a lot of AI reporting though uh saying that that Trump did this, Trump did that, the girl was 11, the girl was 12. None of the none of that appears in these documents. And so I think it's it's not going to be any more shocking than what it already has been. >> Apart from being massively rich and you know we know that Donald Trump has a great pong for very rich men however evil evil they are. Um apart from that
[02:34] why did this man Epstein have such a planetary gravitational pull on so many rich famous and influential men? >> Yeah that's really that's really the question isn't it? Uh, in retrospect, I I I'm not seeing it. I I don't know why he looks creepy. His actions are creepy. Yeah. I I can't imagine wanting to spend more than two minutes with this with this character, and especially when you don't know really where his money came
[03:04] from. We can speculate, but we really don't know the actual source of his income. Uh, he had his own island. He had the the widest townhouse in Manhattan worth tens of millions of dollars. Where did this all come from? And what was he doing with the information that he was obviously collecting? Why did he have every room of that island mansion uh wired for audio and video, including the bathrooms? What did he intend to do with
[03:35] that information? Those questions still haven't been answered. >> Well, you've just pointed out something which I think is incredibly curious and operative about this entire thing, John. You know, the number of pictures that were taken. I mean presumably I mean Peter Mandlesson I've interviewed Lord Mandlesson on a number of occasions. He's a very canny operator. Um he would be very aware that somebody was pointing a lens at him as he st as he stood there in his underpants with a young girl looking at a laptop computer. Um as would I'm I'm assuming although he's not he's not got nearly the same intellect
[04:06] the former Prince Andrew. I mean, I just don't understand how these pictures were allowed to be taken and they seem completely, you know, at ease with it. It's just so bizarre. >> I I think that these were not taken by handheld cameras. Uh, you know, >> but it doesn't like they were done covertly. I don't think, John, >> no, I think they probably weren't done Well, I maybe we have a different uh definition of of covertly. Uh, I just can't imagine somebody as important as
[04:37] Lord Mendlesson standing in his underpants allowing his picture to be taken by anyone or or Bill Clinton for that matter or Bill Gates or or anybody else that was a regular at this uh this island. It just seems strange to me and it comes back to the question of why what did he intend to do with these photographs? What is now the liability for the likes of Peter Mandelson and Andrew Mountbatten Windsor? I mean, can can they be forced to appear in front of a an American judiciary or if if they
[05:08] simply refuse to cooperate, will they just be left to, you know, fade away into darkness um with potential potential guilt hanging over their shoulders? >> I I think the latter is the case. As I mentioned a moment ago, the statute of limitations on on crimes related to what we've seen so far has expired. And so there won't be any international arrest warrant. There won't be a grand jury impanled. I think that they're just they're free to lick their wounds and and go off into the sunset.
[05:38] >> And in terms of Mr. Trump, I mean, clearly there's a great deal going on. He wants his legacy to be the man who, you know, um increased America's land mass hugely potentially with Greenland. Good goodness knows whichever Latin American countries he feels like um conquering after he's you know, spent his morning in bed watching Fox News. I mean, is is he more or less immune to any of this Epstein fallout? You know, are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein, who he initially denied having ever had any cognissance of what will happen to Trump in this respect?
[06:08] >> Honestly, I think nothing. The way that the Republicans are going to spin this is that it was Donald Trump, God bless him, who demanded that these documents be released, and I think that they're just going to stick with that. Um, at the same time, he made kind of a feeble attempt to uh to point the finger at Bill Clinton. The the truth is that there are just as many pictures of Donald Trump with Jeffrey Epste as there are of Bill Clinton with Jeffrey Epste. This is not a partisan issue. It's not a political issue. Everybody's a bad guy. Whether he has a D for Democrat after his name or an R for Republican,
[06:40] the issue is what about the women and the girls? Where's the justice for them? I I believe that they can still um sue the Epstein estate, which is of course very sizable, but for these political figures, I think we've probably seen the worst. >> Let's face it, I mean, there's no question that they're never going to admit their admit what what they did. There's no chance of them ever saying, "Look, openly, we were involved in these
[07:12] goings on." And remember, if they did, if they did say that they were guilty of some crime, why would they not be prepared to tell us about all the other individuals? You see, this is the problem. If there's something very sinister going on here and there are certain entities that maybe are frightened to speak like Elaine Maxwell, she knows everything, but she's never told anybody about the people and why they were actually involved with
[07:43] Epstein. You know, your your speaker said they had films made of these people. They had cameras. Well, if they've had all these things, it's obviously part of a blackmail scheme and obviously as well somebody was financing Epstein. I've heard that the KGB were behind this. That brings to mind Putin and it also brings to mind why Trump is so close to Putin because he's scared of something that maybe Putin or
[08:14] >> because Donald Donald Trump is Donald Trump is in love with rich men who whatever their their history and it's important I must stress you know just because someone has appeared in these files it doesn't mean that they're guilty of anything necessarily. Well, I nobody's suggesting for one second that they are, but you say, and I think it's a very valid argument, that these individuals have got the affronttery to deny everything that ever happened. >> There's an arrogance and the idea that that Andrew came on with my colleague Emily, uh, as he did, you know, so ill
[08:46] advisedly, thinking he was so smart and clever and, you know, could could bluff his way through it, uh, was just quite extraordinary. The naive arrogance of the