[00:00] Thank you. Not sure why. >> Neither neither am I. Maybe it's the t-shirt. >> Maybe. >> Don't know. Or maybe it's the lighting. Last couple of times we spoke it was night where you were in a hotel. >> Oh, true. [snorts] >> Well, good to speak to you again. Uh we haven't spoken in a while. So, uh just who would have expected? Who would have expected we'd be in these circumstances >> now? Two months after like I don't know where to start, John. Two months after Wet, the Israeli newspaper, put out a
[00:30] piece in OPED saying Israel should help Morocco invade the two Spanish cities up north. It happens. This [laughter] is few days after two American ships got struck in Egypt, which was a day before Saudi announced a coalition of Gulf countries >> and reports that they're planning a land invasion to Yemen. While we're getting reports that Iran is planning a blockade of Iran, sorry, the US planning blockade of Iran, including land uh including land, a land-based blockade, and Ukraine
[01:02] fired a missile at an Iranian ship, which some many interpret as a warning that hey, Ukraine can also close the the Caspian Sea. [snorts] Before we go into, you know, what's influencing Trump and and other topics, maybe getting your general thoughts, John, >> where I'm going to blow my own horn here and I'm going to say that several weeks ago, I said on my own podcast that if Ansar Allah, also known as the Houthis, decided to jump into this thing, it was
[01:33] going to regionalize because once the Houthis were in, then the Saudis would be compelled to to jump back in. If the Saudis were in and the Houthis were in, then we have to start thinking about the Amiradis, even though the Amiradis seem to have negotiated their way out of it with the payment of a uh whatever it was, 2 billion3 billion. And then sure enough, the Houthies jumped in and announced announced in advance that they were going to attack Saudi shipping. Not only have they attacked Saudi ships, they've attacked
[02:05] Saudi refineries. Um the Saudis of course have struck back and then much to my surprise the American and Saudi air forces jointly attacked um pro-Iranian militia bases in Iraq apparently with the blessing of the Iraqi government and then the Iranians used drones to attack these ships in um in port in Egypt. So this is most certainly uh regionalizing. It's expanding. Also, did you happen to see
[02:35] this insane report in the New York Times from 2 or 3 days ago saying that an extremist uh group of Israeli settlers, because Israeli settlers aren't extremist enough, an extremist group entered Syria and announced plans to begin building a settlement in Syria. Now, what do the Syrians do? The Syrians have to say, "Well, wait a minute. They can't just enter Syria. And we're not talking about the Gulan. We're talking about Syria
[03:08] proper, Syria itself. If if the Syrian government grabs these people, arrests them, you know, bombs them, whatever, the Israelis are going to have to respond. At least if you're an Israeli politician. Not unless they're just scooped up and expelled, but but it's like they're trying to provoke Syria, which really doesn't want to be a part of this fight and is trying hard to stay out of it. And then all the
[03:38] while the Israelis are bombing Lebanon because nobody seems to care enough to bother to respond. So, I think that uh I think that while the American news coverage may not be saying that uh that this is getting much worse very quickly, I think it's getting much worse very quickly. >> Yeah, I am. So, on the Syrian one, there's a there's more to the story, unless this is a different event. This was from a few days ago. Syrian settlers entered Syria and then the Israelis
[04:10] almost attacked and bombed them with a drone and they were about to bomb them and then one of the guys behind the screen is like hold on that he saw something that indicated these were settlers and they cancelled the drone attack you know minutes before they would have been killed. So the Israelis almost killed their own settlers that were entering Syria because they want to settle Syria. >> Also Ben was saying the same thing about Gaza for the millionth time a few days ago. Yeah. >> And of course they're saying the same thing about Lebanon. >> Now on your point on this is getting
[04:40] worse. Yeah. >> And Jordan and the Iranians are hitting Jordan at the same time. >> Yeah. They hit Kuwait again today. >> Um and the Jordanians put out a letter yesterday. It's wild we're here. The Jordanians, businessmen, politicians, etc. wrote a letter to the um king or or the the the monarchy saying we want American bases out of the country. And also report just came in now from the New York Times, Wall Street Journal. The US is reassessing its size of military presence in Kuwait. The title is the US
[05:12] liberated Kuwait but now struggles to protect it from Iran. It is um what a catastrophic mistake this war was, John. What a catastrophic mistake. >> And Mario, everybody said it at the time. It's not like you and I are, you know, geniuses on this issue. Everybody said, and one of the things that I've repeated several times, I I learned >> you're muted. Uh, John, I don't know why you got muted. >> It's a bizarre one.
[05:43] >> Can you hear me now? >> Yeah. Can we blame Should we blame the Israelis? [laughter] >> Seriously, somebody doesn't want me to to speak. >> But I I said it in the beginning that it's easy to invade a country. It's easy even to overthrow a government, but it's almost impossible to get out. And we went into this not even pretending to have an exit strategy. Like, what does victory look like? You killed the Ayatollah. You wiped out half of the government leadership, almost the entire
[06:14] military leadership. You've killed every one of the of the country's nuclear scientists. You bomb mercilessly. Okay, then what are you going to do? Because nothing has changed. Nothing. And nothing will change. Again, this is a country of almost 93 million people. It is the size of the whole of Western Europe. It's surrounded on three sides by impenetrable mountains. But you think that you file fire a
[06:45] couple of rockets that people will suddenly rise up in the streets, overthrow the government, and everybody's going to live in the land of milk and honey. And anybody who spent more than five minutes looking at the Middle East knew that that was ridiculous. >> Um, all right. So, I think it's it's not even worth discussing why we're here. There's multiple factors. Obviously, Israel is one of these big factors. You've been very vocal about it. We've spoken a lot about it. Um, but I'm interested to get
[07:16] your uh your your thoughts on >> how do you see the relationship between the US and Israel now? It has changed. Trump has been giving Netanyahu a beating at least publicly and in the press. >> Netanyahu met Trump apparently had the best meeting ever with Trump that same time as when Iran attacked uh Jordan out of nowhere. So I don't know if that's a warning to them. And today a report came out that Netanyahu sat down privately with JD Vance and apparently they sorted their issues. Pretty pretty vanilla statement was put out about that. Um,
[07:48] how big of a role is Israel still playing in this war? Or did they kind of do their job, drag the US in, now the US is stuck and Israel is in in a way just kind of sitting there watching kind of mission accomplished? We we got the US stuck in an Iranian quagmire. >> I think that's what it is because you notice all of a sudden we're not hearing about Israeli air force activities. We're not hearing about Israeli um uh rocket launches. We are hearing leaks about the Israelis and the US being out
[08:19] of rockets or almost out of rockets. And then Mike Walls, the u the US ambassador to the United Nations and former national security adviser made a very funny statement during an interview on CNN a couple of days ago. He said that that leak is not true. We have plenty of rockets, plenty of missiles, and whoever leaked that should be charged with espionage. Well, you can only charge someone with espionage if it's true and it's classified. So, either it's not true or
[08:50] the way I analyzed it was you just confirmed that it's true. >> Oh my god. >> Stupid thing to say. >> Oh my god. So stupid. But you're right. We don't really hear about the Israelis doing anything anymore. We hear about the Bahrainis being furious and the Kuwaitis being upset and anxious and the Amiradis wanting to be left alone and the theQaries wondering why in the world they're being hit but you know everybody's
[09:21] everybody's last time we spoke I think the last time we spoke was after the Israelis struck Qatar we're trying to analyze it we're both in shock [laughter] and now we're back and now Iran is striking Qatar these guys don't get a break They don't. They don't. And I I like and respect the cuties. They they they just want they want everybody to get a fair shake. They really do. >> At least that's my that's my >> I feel that as well. I feel that as well. They get a lot of slack from the
[09:51] Israelis. >> Yeah, they do. >> Being in the middle in those sensitive issues is very difficult. Very very difficult. >> Um [clears throat] >> I have a question. So there's a lot of people questioning on um you know debating who attacked these Egyptian ships. I think it's Iran as a warning to the US. They can strike their ships anywhere in the world. But people are like is it an Israeli false flag? >> I had one of my guests also talk about the strikes in >> from Iraq and Saudi. Was it really the Houthis or the Iraqi groups or was it also a false flag maybe by Israel to drag Saudi into Egypt? Um so a lot of
[10:23] people are kind of trying to figure out what is a false flag, what isn't. The Omani strike during the war. Was it a false flag by Israel? The strikes on Turkey, Cypress as false flags. >> Yeah, exactly. >> I I believed actually many of those were false flags. I'm I'm not a false flag guy because there are too many moving parts to to keep things secret. But then you have to look at uh you know Quibono who who benefits and for a lot of those only the Israelis benefited. This thing with the Houthis um I don't think was a false flag. I think that the Houthis
[10:54] genuinely want to help the Palestinians, that they support the Iranians, and they feel that that their friends would be better off if they were involved. So, I don't believe that was a false flag. The Egyptian thing, you know, who knows? Um I I would I'll put it this way. I wouldn't be shocked if we were to learn that it was a false flag. >> Me, too. >> I think that's I think that's it. I have a question on false flags in general. So when when someone tells me
[11:25] it's a false flag, when like for example they say the attack the Israelis conducted a false flag against the Saudis or against the Emiratis. Some people were saying the strike during the ceasefire there was a drone strike on the nuclear power plant in the UAE which I think is a warning from Iran. And people were like it came from Iraq and we know the Israelis have two secret bases in Iraq. We found out >> we forgot that part. >> Yeah. >> So they pointed the finger at Israel. So the question I have for you is if Israel does conduct a false flag, it just seems like a very high-risisk operation
[11:56] especially against a country that wants to join Abraham's Accords or considering it Saudi and one that's already part of it, one of their closest allies. But the big question is how easy so you know things leak all the time that's to the public to people you know like our audience and ourselves. But what about people in the intelligence and amirati or Saudi intelligence? Wouldn't they be able to spot a false flag attack? Wouldn't they be able to know if CI is rallies? Or is it really easy to hide such things? >> No, it's not easy to hide such things. That's a great question. Usually at the
[12:28] intelligence level, yes. At the DoD or or Ministry of Defense level, yes, you can you can track flight paths, for example. Um you can work with your liaison partners, the Kuwaitis, the Saudis, and others to uh to use their radars to track flight patterns. So yeah, the the Israelis do have these two small bases in Iraqi Kurdistan and they could easily have come from there. If if somebody's going to initiate a false flag operation, it's almost always
[12:58] the the Israelis. The Israelis are one of these high-risk, highreward kind of countries. Most countries are not like that. Most countries wouldn't take these great risks, but the Israelis do, and they do it as a matter of routine policy. So, if there's going to be a false flag, yeah, I would take a good hard look at the Israelis. >> Yeah. And I um the only one I know of is there on the Amirati side during the war, there was a lot of skepticism, or at least I was told it was skepticism,
[13:30] but maybe further inside the the administration, maybe they even knew it's Israel, that some of these operations were false flag. Israel was trying to get the Gulf more involved in the war. They wanted the Gulf to attack Iran. But is there kind of level of is there some sort of leniency against false flag? For example, if Israel conducts a false flag against the UAE to drag them into the war it generally speaking, would the UAE say this is a red line, they they civil relations, they retaliate? Is it like a massive red line for them, an escalatory step, or is
[14:01] it something that's part of warfare? They accept it like, "Hey, don't do this again." And they do it back to them. Is that part of just the way things are? >> It's kind of a mix. Normally what you would do is call in the Israeli ambassador and say, "Stop doing this or they're gonna there are going to be prices to pay." >> Bad boy. >> Strongly worded letter. We will write a strongly worded letter. Um but the thing is is you have to consider all facets of the relationship. So for the Amiradis in particular, this relationship with
[14:33] Israel is lucrative. It's opened up, you know, a new trading partner really is what it comes down to. And you know, everybody knows, I mean, going back to the to the 70s, um, all of the Arab countries in the Gulf were buying Israeli fruit, for example. What the Israelis would do is they would harvest the fruit, send it to Cyprus, put it in new boxes, let's say produce of Cyprus, and then send it to the Arab countries. Now, they don't have to do the extra step, so it's cheaper,
[15:05] you can buy more things. They've got this economic relationship. The Saudis are not there yet. The Kuwaitis are not there yet. The Bahrainis are kind of there but aren't really comfortable with it. The Gadis aren't going to do it. And the Omanis just want to be left alone. Um but uh but for the Emiratis, they have to weigh the entire relationship. And that's why maybe you you or I would go to the Israelis and say enough is enough. This is over the top. You're
[15:35] trying to drag us into a war. This was a false flag operation. We proved it. We're severing relations or we're expelling your ambassador. The Amiradis wouldn't do that. The the relationship is too >> I have the Iron Dome here in the UAE. >> Yeah, that's right. >> They're screwed and they depend they're stuck to the US because they depend heavily on the US dollar and that system and they're stuck with Israel because they have the Iron Dome. >> What a bad spot to be in. >> Terrible. Terrible. And they have a very robust,
[16:06] at least Dubai does, a very robust U trade with Iran. They always have. When I was with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee 2009, I went to Dubai just to talk to business leaders about trade with Iran and they were trading literally everything. Everything from food to, you know, toner cartridges to cars and everything in between. and they were like, you know, we're not going to we're not [clears throat] going to stop trading. This is our bread and butter.
[16:40] >> Um, I'm just taking notes of things I want to bring up in our conversation. I um I'm actually going to bring up something just about Israel's capabilities. I uh remember speaking to an official very very close to the Trump administration. That was a few months ago and that was a private discussion. But I've spoken to others about this, but this is probably the most the best example. Someone very very senior in the administration. They gave me an example of I asked a question, just threw it out there because that's a fun question to ask. You know, we had a long conversation and I said like, you know, do you think the Israelis are, you know, are listening to you, are tracking you
[17:11] because he's very involved in the region and someone listeners would know very well. And someone from his his seniority, I'm like, the Israelis would never go that far. And then he's like, Mario, I gave up on the Israelis. And he gave me an example. I won't share here. He gave me an example of where they were able to intercept a call he was having with another world leader. And lo and behold, a few days or a few weeks later, we got the report that Israel, and that's actually a good point to bring up with to ask your thoughts on Israel was labeled as a critical threat on the intelligence level. Critical threat for counter intelligence. Yeah.
[17:43] >> Along with Russia, China, Cuba, and North Korea. >> Yeah. Listen, this is not new. This is decades long. I'll give you an example. In on my very first day at the CIA, we're briefed by the director of security, right? You stand, you take your oath, you swear to protect the constitution against all enemies, domestic and foreign. You sit down, the director comes and says, "Welcome to the CIA." And then the head of HR, and then
[18:14] this guy and that guy, and the chief of security. And the chief of security tells you essentially, you're going to have to learn to keep your mouth shut. Don't talk about work when you leave this building. For example, don't ever go to this first restaurant that's that's right by the CIA because the Russians think that we all eat there and so it's all KGB, the whole restaurant. I've never been to that restaurant. It's a steakhouse. Jay Gilberts, I think its name is. So the Israelis are the same way. There are
[18:45] Israeli spies everywhere, hundreds of them, all over Washington. Three weeks ago, the Defense Intelligence Agency sent out an all hands email warning every single employee of DIA that Israeli espionage against the US government is at an all-time high right now. So, don't talk about work outside the building. But we just accept that. When I was on the job for about 6 months,
[19:15] there was a man in my office who was on the phone, secure phone with a counterpart overseas. Um, we used to have these phones called STU3s. There are Stu2s, STW 2bs, and STO 3es. So, they're secure phones, but they're not permanent. You can you can move them. So, you pick up the phone, you call the number, you say, "Hi, it's John. Are you ready for the call? Going secure, and then you press the encryption button, and the phone encrypts itself, and then
[19:47] it's it just sounds like gibberish to an outside listener." So, the problem with STO 2Bs and STE 3es is they'll occasionally drop the call. So my my colleague is talking to somebody overseas and the conversation is going both ways and the call drops and so he's just waiting for to see if his colleague comes back on and then he hears somebody say Mosha did they hang up and then the other voice says I don't know David
[20:18] maybe they dropped the call and then Moshe says okay they'll call back if it's important now what are we supposed to take from that? We're supposed to take that for decades the Israelis have been intercepting our calls, even secure communications. So, are they intercepting the president, the vice president, the the secretary of state or secretary of defense, the national security adviser, all their deputies, the jo the the members of the joint chiefs of staff? Of course they
[20:49] are. That's why they're ranked as critical threat for counterintelligence. And what's Congress's response? Congress's response is to give them an office at the Pentagon and at the CIA with the National Defense Authorization Act. >> I wrote that section 224. I think they changed the name. >> Yes. >> I think it's 209 now. Something like that. >> Yeah, >> they they they changed the name the other day. Um,
[21:22] >> why do you think the the administration doesn't do anything about it? What a >> Oh, that's easy. >> That's easy. Polit politics. Politics. Um, Apac has spent so much money in American politics at every level, not just the federal level, but state and now local levels, too, that you don't dare challenge the Israeli government. you don't dare do it because they will primary you and they will defeat you. And so if you want to
[21:52] survive as an American politician, you have to be utterly completely pro-Israel. You can't say, no politician is going to say, you know, the Israelis are spying on us all over the United States. They're embedded in our defense contractors. um they're on Capitol Hill stealing our secrets, trying to infiltrate the the CIA and the FBI and the DIA. Nobody's going to say that. To the point where, and you know this as well as I do, an Israeli government
[22:24] official who happens to be a a pedophile is picked up by the local police in in Las Vegas. And what do we do? Quick, get him on a plane. Get him out of here. A pedophile. We choose the Israeli government over our own children and the American voters are supposed to just accept that. >> It's crazy how just you'd assume considering how blatant it's been recently. You'd assume that most people know about this
[22:54] >> but we'd be surprised outside our circle of our audience what we watch our algorithms most people in the US otherwise Massie would have won. >> Exactly right. >> Exactly right. No money. There's no like no one can spend enough money to, you know, to make to make Osama bin Laden seem like a good person because everyone knows Osama Buladin is a criminal. Okay, I'm trying to find an example here. Um, but for some reason, it's probably not the best comparison, but I'm bad at thinking of examples. But for some
[23:25] reason, this the the the how Israel has hijacked the American system. And again, good for Israel. They've been so effective at it. Um, >> it's been brilliant and it's taken decades. I mean, this was a very long-term policy, a very long-term view to to winning over the American political establishment. They've been very successful at it. Yeah. But for it's just for some reason like if enough people know, no money spent would be able to turn people on Massie. It just seems so obvious.
[23:56] >> But they're so but they're so smart. John, the Spain thing, if they're behind the Morocco thing. I'm saying if just cuz it's if I don't know for sure, but as I looked at Jialta, look what happened with Sanchez. All it takes is one call to the king of Jordan who is very close to Israel. He's part of the Abraham's Accords. They do a lot of things together. >> Um supports I think he's one of the first countries that accepted. I think Palestinians to immigrate into Morocco, I think. Um, so all it takes is Natao and it seems to call it King of Morocco. We want you to ship tens of thousands of
[24:27] people because it was coordinated. That's indisputable. >> Yeah. This doesn't happen by magic. >> Exactly. We want you to ship them all to those two cities, those two Spanish cities, and we'll help you back in Washington. And what do you get from from Washington? You have different members of Congress saying that these places are part of Morocco, part of Moroccan territory. The narrative has been created. The bubble has been burst. Now, Morocco is going to begin the process of trying to get those two cities uh from Spain, even if they fail. That's kind of giving Spain the middle finger. >> I think that is exactly correct. That is
[24:59] exactly correct. That's exactly what happened. >> Pretty damn scary. >> Um Okay, I want to ask you about the um actually one last question on the counterterroris counterterrorism classification, the critical threat. >> Um has anything happened after that? Cuz I heard about the news. It came out and leaked I think by the New York Times and then not a peep and I'm waiting to see what happens next. What do the administrations do afterwards? What do the intelligence agencies do afterwards? I haven't heard anything. I'm not sure if you know something. >> No, you you really can't do anything
[25:30] because it's a it's a political decision. It's a policy decision. So, at the CIA, uh the CIA has something called the the counterintelligence center. So, its job is to work very closely with the FBI to root out moles, foreign intelligence officers burrowing into the American government, specifically to the American intelligence system. Um, and you're looking for Russians and Chinese and, you know, the occasional Cuban or the Iranians. Well, we know that the
[26:00] Israelis have hundreds and hundreds of spies all across America. So you refer the CIA will develop this information. They'll refer it to the FBI and the FBI says, "Well, what can we do? We don't have the political authorization to arrest these people or even to disrupt them. And we know that the Israelis aren't going to use it to like, you know, bomb us or blow up American cities or whatever. So it's not like the, you know, the Chinese or the Russians that mean us harm. So h just
[26:32] let them get away with it. Now any other country, let's let's just say for the purpose of argument, let's make one up. Let's say, you know, the Netherlands is a critical threat for counter intelligence. What would happen at the CIA is a policy would be implemented whereby um CIA employees are not allowed to transit Skipple airport in um in uh Amsterdam, right? you just stay away. Stay away
[27:03] from the airport. They're going to steal your laptop. They're going to steal your information. They're going to steal your identity. It's going to be terrible. Um, and then you back off with liaison exchanges because they're going to be trying to recruit the liaison officers. Well, with the Israelis, we we do literally nothing. Literally nothing. We just let them get away with it >> and invite them to the White House and again merging merging. Yeah. the the the the example you've given of putting giving
[27:33] them an office in the Pentagon. What you're referencing is section 224 now 209 or whatever it is. The merging of the US and Israeli militaries. >> Yes. >> Like I I don't know what's next after that is Netanyahu becoming the president of the United States. I think that's the only that's the only thing left. >> There there's there's one there's one bit of hope, one ray of hope. Netanyahu has never gotten Netanyahu is the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history. He has never gotten more than 27% of the vote because um
[28:06] there are so many viable political parties in in Israel. Now the the political makeup of the country has changed dramatically with the influx of so many um ethnic Russians and Ukrainians. So it's pushed the whole the whole you know populist to the right and that's why we have the likes of Idomar Bengavir and Smotri and some of these other extreme rightists. Uh but there's a real possibility that in Israel's upcoming elections and
[28:36] I think they're on October uh that that there may be there may be a movement among the populace to say enough is enough. Now we're in this war. There's no end to it. You look at the polls in the United States and and by a factor of two to one, Democrats uh are now opposed to the Israelis and Netanyahu in uh in the fight with u in Gaza and opposed with equal numbers to uh to the war in
[29:06] Iran. Um independents are just as equally opposed to the Israelis and Netanyahu. And now a sizable minority of Republicans are opposed to Israel and Netanyahu. So what is what the Israeli government is doing? It's backfiring and they need to do something different and they may I guess it's possible that they could start doing something differently with the next election.
[29:37] >> Um what do you know about the Gulf? I know we've talked about it has been pretty long. the capabilities of the Gulf. I think you'd know more about their intelligence capabilities more than their military capabilities. I'd love your comments on both, but how capable are they? How how and how intertwined do you think they are with the US? Can they walk away? Can they survive without the US? And also, maybe you can comment on the Emirati Israeli relationship. I think this is a pretty pretty important development that we've seen here. The the Emirati really doubled down on that alliance with the
[30:08] Israelis. Not sure if that's still the case now that the war is is uh has shifted, but um I'd love to get your thoughts on this. [snorts] My information is dated. I left the CIA 22 years ago, but I can tell you that the that the Gulf countries, the the countries of the GCC have very very good intelligence services. um very capable officers, highly trained, multilingual,
[30:38] great experience uh in countries all around the world. I I worked very very closely with almost every one of those intelligence services and they were all excellent. Now really the best are the uh the Amiradis and the Gutaries. They're all good, but the Emirates and the Gutteries are the the best with the the Amiradis being the best of the best. The thing is is as as you allude to the
[31:09] the Emirati relationship with uh with Israel is very complicated because it's multifaceted. It's it's energy, it's defense, it's trade, like even like I said, food stuffs and clothing and it's just very complicated. And so, yes, they doubled down on this relationship, but the longer the war drags on, the more they have to be thinking, you know, we should probably give him the back of the hand in the
[31:41] next few days >> and try to get him to back off. And uh but then the most important question is the one that you you posed last and that is uh how does this end? I've been saying from the beginning to the surprise of no one that I think the way this ends is we wake up one morning and Donald Trump has posted on Truth Social at 3:00 a.m. It's all over. We win. They've capitulated.
[32:12] >> Yeah, I was going to say that. >> I'm bringing everybody. I obliterated them. They've been obliterated. Vaporized. >> I've launched the greatest combulator. combinator has destroyed them last night. >> Exactly. So, the greatest victory in the history of victories, you know, and I think that's how it's going to end >> because as you've rightly pointed out, we don't really hear about the Israelis anymore. I think they're done. >> Yeah. That I I I put I thought of this earlier today. I put out a poll saying, "I can't believe it. They did it. The
[32:43] Israelis dragged the US into this war and stepped away and just sitting there watching. Mission accomplished." >> Yeah. >> It's uh pretty wild. >> Exactly. Um you were talking about the uh the capabilities of the Gulf uh security um apparatus. You remind me of a story. I've never shared this. So um I won't mention which which uh which country it is, but I had so I had someone from my team, my my executive team talking to the security of one of those Gulf countries. In the last few months has been very sensitive. So obviously
[33:14] there's going to be communication. We communicate with multiple countries. you know, if we post something about a country, they might ask us questions, etc. Some take it a step further. They want to investigate us. I've had this for years, >> but they were talking about a topic and uh this was pretty common. And then they put a just kind of throw a word there. They're like, "We know Mario, you know, is always worried about someone spiking his drink and someone's always watching it." And I'm like, "So, my executive said, Mario, they know everything about you. They know everything. They told me they told me things about you. They said this." I'm like coy like for me I'm I've
[33:46] got like kind of the Tucker approach where I'm not hiding anything and we've just we've laughed about this before cuz if I am it's going to come out. So I've just I live in life where if everything comes out you guys can giggle about my life but there's nothing is going to bring me down and there's nothing I'm I'd be you know trying to hide or trying too hard to hide. But I'm like how did they get this particular piece of information? Cuz I do. So when I go out, I have security and one of the main things my security has to do is always watch my drink cuz I'm paranoid someone will spike my drink. I had it spiked
[34:16] last year. >> Oh, >> and I started vomiting. Yeah, I was at an event. Anyway, so I always always watch my drink and like they're the only ones that know plus my loved one, maybe my brother and that's it. No one else knows about it. Like son of a [ __ ] Did they go to my security company and just ask them? cuz if the if a government's going to reach out to my security guys and ask them, "Hey, you have to share everything." The security guys are not going to say no to the CIA of whatever country. So I'm like, "Son of a bitch." They went to my security guys, which are great people. They're not with me
[34:48] anymore. They're different now, but they're great people. And they went to them and they just got like, "Hey, we need every single piece of information about Mario." It is wild how they monitor everything. It is wild. And it's not surprising to you, but for people like me that are not from this world, it's just crazy. And this is like barely the tip of the iceberg. >> I was You took the words right out of my mouth. Just the tip of the iceberg. Look at poor Glenn Greenwald. A year or so ago, [clears throat] a video was leaked to try to discredit him. And and to people's credit, I mean, everybody from,
[35:20] you know, Joe Nobody on Twitter all the way up to Marjorie Taylor Green posted, "Hey, Glenn, so sorry this happened. we support you. You know, it's a it's from the bag of dirty tricks. >> Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was a It was a cheap and crude attempt to discredit him. >> Yeah, I it's two things on that. Number one is Yes. And I was I was really n I was happy to see that because it was a pretty embarrassing or at least in the perception I for me I don't really care but the average person might find it
[35:51] embarrassing >> and um and Glenn comes on the show. I've had him on the show many times. So, it's it is a pretty pretty embarrassing piece of information. And to see no one really I I couldn't even imagine how Glenn would feel. Poor guy. Poor guy. I think he's married as well. >> I felt awful for him. >> And then to see that no one gave a [ __ ] I'm like, >> "Yeah, >> [ __ ] yeah. If no one gives a [ __ ] victory for Glenn, >> I'm fine if everything of mine leaks. I'm I'm I'm fine with that." So, >> listen, I've been divorced twice. All my shit's already out there.
[36:22] Already out there. [laughter] Um, but it's it's that What do you make of the Laura Loomer Ukraine thing? >> I am not even vaguely in any way a Laura Loomer fan. I woke up one Sunday a few months ago to to a half a dozen emails from friends saying, "Buddy, Laura Loomer is just tearing you up on Twitter." I was like, "What?" >> Sorry, John. I want to interrupt. I didn't know I was there. I was going to talk about the Zilinsky interview, but
[36:53] this is more exciting. She >> No, no, no. What happened? [laughter] >> So, this has happened to me once before. There was a woman, what was her name? Let me look real quick. There was a woman who went after me. Um, she was uh Louise Mench. Uh she's a former British parliamentarian and she got divorced, married like AC/DC's road manager or Nirvana's road
[37:25] manager, something like that. Moved to the United States, divorced him, took all his money, and all she does all day long is just tweet. And she is like so 1,000% pro- Ukraine. She's like irrational. She also has a history of mental illness and drug abuse. And so one night she just decided to attack me. I've never met this woman in my life. I've never had an exchange with her in my life. And she just attacked me. And so in the words of a of an opposing divorce
[37:56] attorney, John Kuryaku was a latigious prick. And I called my lawyer and I said, "Is this defamatory?" And he said, "Yeah, it's defamatory." I said, "Then I want to sue." So, um, so we sent her a letter saying, "We're going to sue unless you retract everything." And she retracted everything. She she had to pin an apology for 6 months on her Twitter. Um, but I won. So now Laura Loomer then starts attacking me. >> Laura, I'm just looking at Louise's I
[38:27] just checked our ex Louise Bag Bagshaw. >> Yes. >> Louise Bagshaw. >> Yes. Did she Did she stop using the name Mench? M-n. >> Yes. Her handle is, let me check. Yeah, her handle is Louise Mench, but her full name on X is Louise Bagshaw. But I've got so many DMs from her. So, there's something. She's chatting to my team since 2020. [laughter] >> Yeah, since April 2024. >> I don't know what it's about. Maybe it's nothing too bad. Maybe she's threatened us or blackmailed us. I don't know.
[38:58] >> Yeah, >> I'll check it later. That's what she does. >> So, Laura Loomer, I wake up and Laura Loomer's trying to tear me in when she called me a a Russian spy, a Russian asset, and a common criminal. And it's like, okay. So, I call the lawyer again. He's like, you know what? He said, nobody takes Laura Loomer seriously. She's a nobody. >> Like, she's literally the only person in Donald Trump's circle that even Trump thought was so crazy that she didn't deserve a government job. And so he said, "Let it go." So I let it
[39:30] go. And like the very next day, she just moved on to somebody else. >> It was probably me. I got attacked by her last two weeks ago for being I don't know what I posted. Something in for being a Muslim. Something about me. I'm not Muslim. I was I was born Christian Orthodox, but about me being a Muslim. Something I can't remember what it's about. I completely forgot now. I'm sure related to Iran. But um the reason I brought up Laura Roomers is um the interview with Zilinsky and the reason I brought it up with you is um just you're muted again is the um part of a bigger
[40:01] question. It started with how many of these influences in general do you think are u are are paid off are compromised in one way or another? >> That's the question I wanted to ask you. >> You know what I actually think it's a lot. I didn't even give this any thought until about a year ago. And there's an investigative journalist whom I respect a great deal. And she said, "Listen, I've had people independently tell me." And she named four podcasters that these
[40:32] four podcasters are taking, for example, CIA money. And I said, "Really?" I said, "Boy, that would be pretty explosive. Are you going to go public with it?" And she said, "No, cuz I can't find anything to confirm it." And there are four like, you know, kind of household names that she's under the impression take CIA money. Well, if podcasters have taken CIA money, you can bet your bottom dollar they're taking Israeli money, Russian money, maybe even Chinese money. Who knows? Depending on what the issue
[41:04] is. I could see it. And you know, Laura Loomer, Laura Loomer, it's funny when she was attacking me, some guy, God bless him, total stranger, he opened a new ex account just to make this one tweet and then he canceled it. He went to Grock and he said, "Grock, um, who which country benefits the most from what John Kiryaku says?" And then he put
[41:36] it that I'm a whistleblower and torture program. It says the United States and it explains why. And then he said the same words, what country most benefits from Laura Loomer's statements. And then it says Israel. And it has the whole thing of her support for Israel. And then he posted it and he canled the account. So I was like, whoever it was, thank you for defending me like that. >> You should have You should have Did it go viral that post? >> Gez, I don't even know. You know, God >> should have tweeted. >> There aren't enough hours in the day for
[42:07] me to check these things. But but Laura Loomer has been all about Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia since the very beginning until now. And now it's all about Ukraine. And I think that she's at the point where she realizes finally that she's not going to get a job at the White House. She's not going to be named the head of some obscure federal agency somewhere. So, she might as well just, you know, worry about Laura Loomer and do what's best for Laura Loomer's followers. And I think that for her, switching sides on Russia Ukraine was
[42:40] the way to go. >> Um, well, if Seb Gawker was able to get a spot in the administration, John Laura does have a does have a >> God forbid. I've written about Seb Gorka. Seb Gorka, for your viewers who don't know, Dr. Sebastian Gorka is the deputy national security adviser for counterterrorism, but his father was a Nazi, not a Nazi sympathizer, not a neo-Nazi. He was an actual Nazi from Hungary. And Seb Gorka wears his
[43:13] father's Nazi party lapel pin on his suit and he says he's not a Nazi, but he does it to honor his father because he loved his father and that he's very pro-Israel and he's Zionist and all this stuff. Okay. Yeah, he's pro-Israel and a Zionist, but it's still a Nazi party lapel pin. So, what are you doing? >> I've written about this a couple of times. even his signature. He used to sign things with a small letter Z as a middle initial. Um, which is like a
[43:44] neo-Nazi trope that they do to signal to each other. Like he'll sign Sebastian Little Z Gorka. Not cool. >> Yeah, he did a he um I remembered him. If you can put the tweet on the on the screen. I don't know if you saw this went viral. So apparently Seb goka worked with a a company called Vine Fig and Tree. So there's a company called Vine Fig and Tree. VH VFT is a pro-Israeli organization with ties to the administration. Earlier this year,
[44:16] if you could zoom in on people, I don't know if people could read it. Could zoom in a bit. Earlier this year, VHT was at the White House meeting with Gorka, Sebastian Gorka. Shortly after that White House meeting, I was contacted through a third party and asked to script write for VHT. The individual who contacted me publicly is very Christian and widely perceived as America first. I have an inkling I know who it is. I was told the script would be used to create an AI generated video on behalf of the White House, specifically for NYSE and Sebastian Gawker. They told me, quote, "Yeah, we have to do this on behalf of them, the administration, because they
[44:46] don't want it to look like it's actually coming from the White House." You know what I mean? I mean, it worked out for them and Nick Shirley. Don't know what they're referring to what happened there with them and Nick Shirley. I was then given a Dropbox link containing research and polling data, internal comments, and strategy material compiled by VFT and the third party involved. Inside the Dropbox were seven folders. Through those documents, I learned more about what this organization actually does. Their reports monitor major conservative and dissident right
[45:16] accounts and frequently frame those accounts as vulnerable to or to or participating in foreign influence operations. The report also the report includes information regarding Nick Fuentes, Hodgej twins, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Jackson HL, Ian Carroll, and Mario North, just to name a few. They also collected polling and response data surrounding Joe Kent's resignation from the administration. In another report, they argue that distrust surrounding Kirk's assassination was mostly due to America Americans falling
[45:47] for Russian, Iranian, Pakistani propaganda. And then they start talking about going after Nick Fuentes under undermining his Christian identity. They continue talking about how they could another internal document weighs in on how they will advise politicians based on their data which also comp the document also discusses burner profiles, burner ad accounts, AI generated interview style videos, audience personas, troll content briefs, engagement testing, and ideological audience segmentation.
[46:19] Um, so this is and there's more in the tweets, detailed tweet with screenshots and evidence and all that. So it's it's from what I understood and people I spoke to on the show kind of going through it is that this is how the administration if they want to go after people and bring them down but not have their fingerprints on it. They work with different agencies and groups and we've seen with this with all these NOS's as well. We've talked a lot about these NOS's >> um >> to just conduct an a complete character assassination. Probably not a surprise for you. I'm guessing this is the uh what is it?
[46:51] Mondus um the the the the the way they do things. >> Yeah, modus operandi. >> Modus operandi. This is their modus operandi. But I'd love to get your your comments, John. I'm sure you're on that list as well, so you probably should know more about it. >> What a shame. Uh I probably am. I'm I'm increasingly described as noted anti-semite. John Kiryaku, >> you got the anti-semite label. >> News to me. >> Congratulations. [laughter] >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> I haven't had the privilege yet, but um
[47:22] I had it two years ago. They took it away. Hopefully, I'll get called one again because it's a bad one. >> And it's worse. They they they'll dox you and um and swat you. I haven't been swatted, but I've been doxed. I got I got 72 phone calls in a three-hour period from a guy using seven different Google voice numbers, and he was furious. He would become increasingly irate because I wasn't answering the calls. I as a policy, I just don't
[47:53] answer calls that I don't have saved in my phone. I don't know who these people are, and I'm busy like you are. So he he left a half a dozen voicemails, each one increasingly angry. And finally he said, "I can't wait to see your brains laid out on the street in front of." And then he read my home address. And I was like, "Oh [ __ ] that's not cool. My home address." And then he leaves one and he says, "Have you talked to?" And then he said a name. You know, your son who lives at
[48:25] And then he read my son's address. So, you know, I as a matter of personal conviction, I hate the FBI, but I figured, well, they should be doing what they're paid to do. So, I called a guy that I know at the FBI and um and it took him about a week to get a subpoena from Google to then get the subscriber data. And he found the guy and he was an Iranian Jew living in New York City. Said he was paid to do it.
[48:55] And then the FBI called me back and said, "Are you willing to press charges?" I said, "Absolutely. Are you willing to testify?" I said, "Of course I am." And then like two months passed and I called him back and I said, "Listen, I haven't heard anything from the Justice Department. Nobody's reached out to me. Nothing from the FBI. What's going on?" And he said, "Oh, uh, yeah, they decided not to pursue that case." It's like, why? because it's me or because it's him
[49:26] because it was a political decision at some point. >> Cuz someone's behind him. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> To get more information on who >> but I'm an anti. He wouldn't tell me anything else. Then I got a second death threat saying that he hoped to see me in the ovens because now it's our turn, meaning the anti-semitees turn to be in the ovens. I'm like, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about?" So, this [ __ ] put his actual name, email address, and
[49:58] phone number. He's a rabbi who runs a a an NGO that treats Jewish children with cancer. Only Jewish children. Nobody else's children. Only Jewish children with cancer. And um and I sent it to the FBI and and they said, "This we know this guy. This requires only a knock on the door and a finger wag. So what I did is I printed his threat in which he in which he cut and pasted a picture of of
[50:28] an oven at DHA by the way and I sent it to every member of his board of uh trustees. And I was like this is the guy you want running your company cuz I'm going to go everywhere with this. This is the guy that you want. >> Okay. You you fight back. >> I do fight back. [ __ ] them. This is my country. This is my country. >> [ __ ] This is a warning to anyone thinking about giving you a call. Now, one one thing uh on my side, I
[50:58] learned as well from discussions for with people like yourself is when it's loan actors, it's you could do a lot to kind of, you know, protect yourself. Yeah. >> But when it's a government, >> you know, I moved houses, you remember last time we spoke, I used to have the Dubai background. [clears throat] >> Beautiful. Yeah. Right. >> That's no longer there for a reason. But yeah, when it's a when it's a government, there's not um there's not much you could do. That's what I've learned. When it's one of these big governments, you just got to >> you're at their mercy. Just having connections is pretty much all you could do, I guess. >> Yeah. And if they've made a decision to
[51:32] kill you, you know, Allah, Charlie Kirk, and I don't know what happened with Charlie Kirk, but if if they want to get you, they're going to get you. The thing is is I'm not going to let anybody silence me. I'm not a major player. You guys are major players. You and Tucker and Rogan and some of these other guys, Theo Vaughn and I'm not a major player, but I'm going to speak my peace because I'm an American and it's my constitutional right. And if they're going to silence me, well, you know, that's unfortunate, but there's nothing I can do about it.
[52:03] >> Yeah. Well, good to have you back. Always a pleasure. >> It's good to see you, Mario. Pleasure is mine. And we'll do this online. Thank you, John. Thank you. All the best. All right, guys. So, you heard it from John. Don't mess with him. If you want to threaten him, think twice. You got his warning. So, I'll be live again in two minutes with Colonel Wilkinson, Larry Wilkinson, a regular on the show to continue our conversation on the developments when it comes to the Iran war. So, I'll see you guys in a couple of minutes. Bye-bye.