[00:00] Greetings to everybody. Today I have a very special guest. I think uh uh John Kyaku do not need any presentation especially in those in United States. uh he is a former CIA uh analysist who also specialized in Middle East and today uh he is a journalist and a writer but nevertheless he is still a staunch supporter of the truth and we know that he was the first to start condemning the
[00:32] torture of dated of the in the black holes in CIA prisons especially in the Middle East in so-called fight with the global jihad terrorist ISM and uh immediately after that he also ends up and spent some time in federal prison almost two years and I remember when you've been released and published your book I've been still in a lock up in uh USP Marion you know and there is a couple guys who've been in the same location even with you so this how we
[01:03] come to know each other since long time ago. Well, John, welcome. And I would like to start uh again you know coming back because uh as you never been afraid to talk about the truth and especially uh that time uh when you went up and start criticizing it openly exposing the tortures in CIA black holes prison illegal basically you know and uh you also been uh the one who the first word
[01:36] the public that Trump preparing operation against Iran. So uh how did get you this information and how uh much uh you know you understand that this is a coming? >> Oh Victor, first of all I have to say what a pleasure it is to see you and to be on the show. Thank you so much for the invitation. Uh and and I'll answer your question with a very short anecdote. Uh, I noticed after I said that
[02:08] I said that the Trump administration was preparing to attack Iran and that the attack could come in the next 4 days. It actually came 5 days after, but I said it could come in the next 4 days. Somebody commented on the clip and said, "Wait a minute. We're supposed to believe that this former CIA guy who went to prison that people just walk up to him and volunteer classified information. And I said, "Yes,
[02:40] because that's exactly what happened. I'm still very popular in the CIA. Maybe not among the leadership, but among the rank and file. And I have friends who are in the CIA and who share information with me. And that information included the decision that the president had made to launch an illegal attack on Iran. And I thought that it was better for all Americans to go public with that
[03:11] information. >> Well, uh that's that's pretty, you know, open-minded answer. Uh look another very important question. Why on earth the Trump despite he was not coming for both his terms with this promise to American people no more foreign entanglements no more endless war he get you know lured or forced or maybe blackmail into this war with Iran. What is your insight and
[03:43] what is your understanding? Why on earth Trump knowing his character jump into this, you know, basically hole without even knowing whether this hole has even bottom? I think it's a combination of reasons. First of all, I think at least in the first term, Donald Trump really believed in the MAGA tenant, the make America great again tenant, that we should have no foreign wars, no more foreign wars. The Republicans like
[04:16] to say that almost every war in American history has been waged with Democrats in the White House. That's not really entirely true. And you can't say that World War II, for example, is the fault of the Democratic Party. But I think that Trump, at least in the first term, was serious about no foreign entanglements. And that fell by the wayside for a number of reasons. Most cynically. Number one, I think that he was under immense pressure from very wealthy
[04:49] American Zionists, uh, very wealthy Jewish Americans, billionaires who really, really wanted him to overthrow the Iranian government for Israel. And these very wealthy billionaires uh donated literally hundreds of millions of dollars to his campaign. And for Donald Trump, and this is clear, there's nothing in the world more important than money. There's never enough. And so I think that they were able to
[05:20] easily exert influence because of the money. Not just necessarily money for him personally, but money for his campaign and for the Republican National Committee. Number one. Number two, I think that it is a character flaw that Donald Trump is weak and that he's easily influenced. There are stories here in Washington that that he essentially does whatever he's told to do by the last person that he talked to. He's easily influenced. And when
[05:52] Benjamin Netanyahu is flying to Washington, you know, every eight weeks and demanding, you have to attack Iran, you have to attack Iran, you have to attack Iran, eventually he's going to attack Iran. And then I think I hate to even say this, but I think we shouldn't dismiss um allegations, so far unproven allegations that this war was meant to distract the American people from his failure to release the Epstein files. We don't have
[06:23] any idea what's in those Epstein files. The law is not just clear that the files had to be released. The vote was 419-1 in the House of Representatives. It was 99 to0 in the Senate. The president signed it into law and then ignored it. And so I think that he wants this issue just to go away. He told Marjgerie Taylor Green that he will never release the documents because he said, quote, "I don't want to embarrass my friends." I
[06:54] think it may be more than that. I think he may be in those files and he doesn't want them to be released and so this war serves as a distraction. >> Okay. Uh correct me if I'm wrong. I understood observing how the Iran operation started especially the second phase that the Pentagon and including CIA been you know talking Trump not to do that. >> Yes. >> And apparently he trusted more to the volunteer you know. Yes,
[07:24] >> AI prepared scenario and eventually Zionist lobby. So what went wrong? How come that the president United States instead of trusting by one hand you have a Pentagon and military experts who say hey uh there is no way we can do launch the ground operation. We can't put uh boots on the ground because of geography because of climate. It's the wrong timing. we not concentrated enough reserve just bombing them out will not work plus the regime change fail. So uh
[07:58] all this plan basically was a great disaster uh for the at least you know past what 40 years in American history it's even would outshadow the withdrawal from Afghanistan as a you know defeat I would say if not strategic but at least tactical. So what was the >> problem? He not listening or there is was a fault within the CIA and within the Pentagon who either do not prepare
[08:29] it properly or you know uh there is was a kind of factor which we can't really understand because the right now after you know if you look aftermath looks like uh decision was completely irrational. One of the things that I learned uh in my CIA career was in uh May of 2002 when I returned from from Pakistan and I became the executive assistant to the
[09:00] CIA's deputy director for operations. Uh I started on my first day and I went in very excited and I said, "So what are we going to do today?" And he said, "Actually, I can't tell you. you have to go to security and sign some secrecy agreements and then we'll talk about what it is we're going to do. I thought that was a very strange response, but I went to security. They were waiting for me and they made me sign six separate secrecy agreements. And so I signed the six and I said, "What's going on?" And the security
[09:32] officer said, "Well," he took a deep breath. He said, "Next year we're going to attack Iraq. We're going to overthrow Saddam Hussein and we're going to open the world's largest air force base in southern Iraq so that we can move all of our air force bases out of Saudi Arabia and stop Osama bin Laden from saying that we're polluting the land of the two holy mosques. And I said because I was shocked almost to speechlessness. I
[10:02] said, "But we haven't caught Bin Laden yet." and he said, "Listen, the decision has already been made and the battle lines have been drawn. The pro-war forces are the office of the vice president, the office of the secretary of defense, and the national security council. And the anti-war force for forces are the CIA, the State Department, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Those are the three organizations in
[10:34] government that understand what it takes to fight a war and that understand that most wars are not winnable over the long term. Well, that was in 2002. Now we're 24 years later and those battle lines are exactly the same where it is the CIA and the joint chiefs of staff that are saying, "Wait a minute, this is a terrible idea. Regime change is not popular. Just because these
[11:04] Iranians in Beverly Hills want us to overthrow the government and to install Raza Palavi as the new Shahan Sha and and leader of Iran does not mean that anybody else in the world wants us to do that. And the Israelis Benjamin Netanyahu was able to convince the president that as soon as the first rocket was fired, the Iranian government would collapse like a house of cards and everybody would live happily ever after. And not only did that not happen,
[11:34] what did happen [clears throat] is that we were able to force all of the different groups inside Iran together because the United States and especially the United States and Israel could never be seen as liberators. They could only be seen as attackers and occupiers. And if this war has accomplished anything at all, it has weakened the United States and it has strengthened
[12:04] the Iranian government. >> Yeah. Especially after what's happened with the fight with the ISIS when from one side the Pentagon was fighting ISIS and the CIA were dropping supplies to the ISIS. >> That's right. And you've been also one of the you know first whistleblowers who start exposing this to say hey why on earth we doing this what is the reason and this all links again with the bin Laden and my question will be whether
[12:34] the operation when they so-called killed bin Laden is it was just a cover up because the delta team after that was completely all of them perished nobody left who been in present in this villa so actually what really happened and knowing the history that bin Laden was the asset basically and al-Qaeda itself is the name of the CIA project correct when they've been fighting Soviets in Afghanistan so all that is internally related or we are missing here some
[13:06] links >> I I disagree with you um the United States supported the mujahedin against the Soviet Union in the 1980s um it wasn't until after the Soviets had uh begun their withdrawal that bin Laden moved moved from Sudan to Afghanistan. There was a gap there of about 5 years. Uh the the US did not support al-Qaeda. It supported the precursors of al-Qaeda, the Mojahedin, uh the so-called Afghan Arabs, but not uh bin Laden. Um bin
[13:36] Laden I I sat next to a to a man when I first started. It was my first assignment at the CIA. He wrote an article for an internal publication in which he said that this Saudi citizen Osama bin Laden is potentially the most dangerous man in the world. And I said to him when I read the article, I said, "I never heard of this guy. This was 1990. The this was the spring of 1990." And he said, "Yeah." He said, "This guy is going to be a serious problem for us." Um, but uh but I'm I'm confident Bin
[14:09] Laden is dead. Uh, I'm confident that his body was thrown overboard. We have three different Navy Seals that have come out and tried to make a living um saying that they were the ones that actually killed him. So, three of them are taking credit for killing him. And then we killed Dime Zawahi with an unarmed uh rocket, a a drone fired rocket on his apartment balcony in Kabell. We we didn't use a uh a warhead because we didn't want to kill the women and children inside. So, we we shot him
[14:40] with a missile. It went right through his body and and killed him and that spelled the end of al-Qaeda. When I was working on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as the senior investigator in 2009, the committee released a study concluding that there were only 25 al-Qaeda fighters left in Afghanistan. By 2009, the the organization had ceased to exist. Now, on the bad side of that, it had ceased to exist because of the advent of ISIS. and ISIS came into play
[15:10] because al-Qaeda was not radical enough because al-Qaeda wasn't fighting the United States enough and they they wanted uh something that was more willing and ready to take up arms. Now, where the US government split with itself was in Syria, where where the Pentagon was supporting ISIS and the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda, the CIA uh got al-Qaeda to change its
[15:41] name to the Anusra front just to make it seem like it was some new group when it wasn't. and um and the CIA armed them and provided weapons uh ammunition, money, medical supplies so that they could fight against the groups for which the Pentagon was supplying all those different things. It's it's a crazy failure of policy. Well, it's a mainly as you said leadership problem because confusing
[16:13] basically signals from the leadership creating a scenario basically nightmarish situation when then extract would be even more difficult. Now coming to the recent situation I would like to ask your opinion. I was puzzled when the Pakistani and Saudis signed the you know this kind of the treaty when uh military basically what do you call it alliance but when the Turkey jump in I was like wow something really start
[16:44] moving and this morning I'm reading the news that even they made an offer to Iran to join I not yet saw the confirmation which you know doubled but >> and Egypt so this says to me there is some tectonic shifts happening right before our eyes because basically America is done in the Middle East and the if somebody told us five years ago that Saudi going to go to Pakistan to
[17:15] sign the deal and offer it to the Turkey which they would always been competing at least who is custodian you know for the Muslims especially Sunnis ones and now they're uniting And it's impossible was imagine that they're going to come and offer to join the Iran Shia part of the Islam. If this happens basically we're seeing that the geopolitic you know slipped within basically you know couple hours just
[17:46] before our eyes and this is a new era. This is exactly how the new multipolar world was born. >> Right. Right. You agreed to this. What What is your assessment of this? >> The world is changing so quickly, Victor. Victor, I think this is >> I think it's as as important as you just said it is. This is a tectonic shift in geopolitics and it it spells major change in several
[18:16] different ways. So, first of all, why did this happen? This happened for a couple of different reasons. Um, number one is that just three or four weeks ago, Israel directly threatened to attack Turkey. Okay. The Israeli defense minister said that Israel's next war would be against Turkey. Well, Turkey is a NATO member country. And not just a NATO country, it's one of the largest militaries in NATO. And so, Article 5 of
[18:48] NATO says an attack on one is an attack on all. And if Israel were to attack Turkey, the United States would have to go to war against Israel. And that will never ever happen under any circumstances. And so what it means is the end of NATO, right? Because article 5 says the US is compelled to to defend Turkey. And if the US refuses, that's the end of NATO. Well, there are countries around the world that recognize that NATO is no longer a viable political military
[19:21] organization. And so that coupled with the fact that the US can't even defend itself in the Persian Gulf, let alone to defend Kuwait, Bahrain, Gar, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia. these royal families >> and and Jordan as well and Iraq as well and Egypt, these uh these governments are concluding why do we have the United States in our
[19:51] country if they can't defend us and they can't even defend ourselves. It's better for us to strike out on our own. And so keep in mind that that Pakistan is a nuclear power. And so if Israel is going to threaten Saudi Arabia or threaten Turkey and Israel has between 220 220 nuclear weapons, well Pakistan has 40, 50, 60 nuclear weapons of its own. So all of a
[20:22] sudden the playing field changes. Now this was such a big development. I happened to be in Egypt last week. This is such a major development that people were literally dancing in the streets when the announcement was was made. People in in Islamabad, Riyad and uh and Ankora were literally dancing in the streets. And I think just like the BRICS agreement where more and more
[20:54] countries are being added and now they're beginning in the preliminary discussions about a unified currency. I think we're saying this seeing the same thing happen uh in the uh in the military that countries have to protect themselves and to protect each other without the United States. This is the very beginning of that. [clears throat] Wow. Another one. Let's uh then go to bromance. I would say between Israel and
[21:24] United States. We saw just past six month that Israeli finally went out of the closet coming out and openly declaring that they going to use America as a you know mechanism or tool to achieve what they want and this is their chance. and they bragging openly, you know, between their ministers that they're going to, you know, basically uh make Trump do whatever they want. And you've been also uh on many occasion, you know, telling the stories how the
[21:55] relation between Basad and CIA was that you've been not trusting in CIA to Masat operative when they want to come uh in your facilities that your you know uh seniors would always tell you to make a meeting somewhere outside otherwise they going to leave some bugs you know and spy on you and we know their role in the 911 which is still not yet you know maybe enough time past to know the all the truth of entire role so here we are
[22:25] what is the logic between the action of Israelis because how come they're like a parasite they now come to the stage they want to kill the host of which they living off and it's for me it's incredible idea you had inequal marriage or or alliance. Now apparently the junior partner decided no we're going to both but it's a suicidal way either Netanyahu want to do everything to keep in power or extreme something extremely
[22:57] wrong or I'm missing some part of it. What's your take on this? >> You know the Israelis on this issue are incredibly shortsighted. Usually the Israeli political view when it comes to relations with the United States is very very long-term. But the Israelis have bitten off far more than they can chew with this Iran decision and this this idea that they're bullying the United States, the American president,
[23:27] the US military to the point where the latest public opinion polls show that 75% of young people oppose Israel. A majority of the Democratic Party, 56% oppose Israel. A majority of independents oppose Israel. The only ones that still have a majority that support Israel are Republicans, and most of them are Republican evangelicals, and even that is approaching 50%. I made a a
[23:59] video the other day um because I I'm the subject of of threats from Israelis and their cutouts and I don't back down from these threats and and some of them are death threats and they're very very specific. But I I said in this video that I made that's gone viral that um you've lost the American people. You've lost the American military. We are not with you. We don't want to be allies with you. you are dragging us into yet
[24:29] another war of choice to support your policy and it's a policy of genocide and slavery and Americans don't want any part of it. So I think in this case, Victor, the Israelis overestimated their popularity among the US uh voting population and their ability to manipulate American congressional leaders. They can manipulate Donald Trump, but Donald
[25:00] Trump is just one of three branches of government. And so they've gone too far. And now we're electing we're electing members of Congress who are pro Palestine. Uh we're on track in the state of Michigan right now to elect the first ever Muslim to the United States Senate. And Apac, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee is seen as a a perverter of the American Democratic system. So things have changed and the Israelis
[25:31] don't realize how dramatically they've changed. Mindblowing. Yeah. If anybody as I said five 10 years ago impossible what's going on now. Now tell me what you as a analyst what is the future for Israel because United States clearly on the path to get and close down all their presence of Middle East. Eventually with a new election and the crisis and economical difficulties sooner or later United States would be not anymore able
[26:02] to finance Israeli war machine on the same level and their attempts to sign the treaty where they would uh have a kind of the marriage agreement where they own half [snorts] of every military you know assets in United States definitely will not fly either. So thinking you are small teeny country with a maximum what 9 million people yes supported with the uh you know basically United States European countries and also Jewish diaspora all over the world
[26:34] but what you going to do when this cut off are you able to sustain or survive alone because they've been not able to build up a relation with the neighborhood yes Aramica accords help a lot but And it's also put uh a lot of uh the pressure on the government of the UAE on another one who now become even on eyes of local population as a traitors. >> Yes. >> Or the you know Palestinian case. So what's your uh opinion how the you know
[27:09] future will involve for Israel? To answer your question, I'd like to go back to the 1990991 Gulf War. Uh, Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2nd, 1990. The ruling family fled to Saudi Arabia. The Iraqis came in and just started slaughtering people, killing civilians, killing government officials, killing Kuwait military uh people who had stayed back to fight.
[27:41] And um Secretary of State James Baker went to Yaser Arafat and said, "You need to be on the right side of this. We are going to push Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait and you need to be with us." And he sided with Saddam Hussein just like the government of Yemen did and the government of Cuba. Yemen and Cuba just happened to be members of the United Nations Security Council at the time. So the permanent members, the US, Russia, China, France and the UK all voted yes
[28:13] on the use of force. The only the vote was 9 to2. The only two that voted no were Yemen and Cuba with the support of the Palestine Liberation Organization. As a result, when Kuwait was liberated in February of 1991, almost every Palestinian in the country was expelled. and not just from Kuwait, from Bahrain and from the United Arab Emirates as well and from Saudi Arabia and replaced with you know Filipinos, Indians,
[28:45] Pakistanis. The Palestinians made up the entire middle class in the Persian Gulf. It was the Palestinians who were the professors, the lawyers, the teachers, the bankers, the engineers, and all of a sudden they're just cast out and they've never recovered. The Palestinians have never recovered just like the Yemenes have never recovered. Yemen is a failed state now because of that one decision in 1990 to support Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait.
[29:17] Okay. Well, Donald Trump was elected in 2016 and he said he's going to solve the Arab-Israeli dispute in 24 hours. Well, how do you do that? You do that by screwing the Palestinians, right? So he goes to the Saudis, the Bahrainis, the Amiradis, and says, "We're going to make this thing called the Abraham Accords, and we want you to recognize Israel, and Israel will
[29:48] recognize you, and then you can have free trade, and everybody's going to get rich." And that's what the Bahinis and the Amiradis did. Well, there was nothing for the Palestinians. They were screwed. And the Israelis realized, hey, we can kill anybody we want. We can initiate a genocide in Gaza and then even in the West Bank. And the Arabs aren't going to they're not going to say anything because we're trading with them now and we have diplomatic relations with them. Well, the Saudis put their foot down
[30:19] because remember the king of Saudi Arabia is not just the king. His title is also custodian of the two holy mosques. And so he has to worry not just about his own constituency of Saudi citizens. He has to think about the the the position of all Muslims across the uh the planet and Muslims support human rights for Palestine. All rightthinking people support human rights for Palestine.
[30:52] And so this hasn't worked out the way the Israelis and the Americans have wanted. They thought, "Oh, everybody hates the Palestinians. The Arab countries, they hate the Palestinians. We're just going to screw the Palestinians and I'm going to get everybody to open relations with Israel." And that has not come to pass. And so, the only way there's ever going to be a Saudi embassy in Jerusalem or an Israeli embassy in Riyad is if there is a free and independent Palestine with
[31:24] Jerusalem as its capital. Wow. Okay. Now coming back to the situation with Iranian war because horustra is a kind of one day closed another day open. Trump declaring I I count how lost account how many times he declared victory that everything is demolished destroyed and every time he again threatening to start attacking them we just saw that the best enter to said oh now we put so much sanction it's end of it and really looks like in a war
[31:58] chest of you you know Trump administration nothing is left so he is in a corner basically he either has to slow down and find reputable uh you know ramp off you know how exit plan or the situation is getting uh each day worse and worse Iranian now openly threatening not only attack the bases in Middle East in Europe and including mainland United States >> that's you know another disaster so what
[32:31] your uh estimation how the conflict would be ended from Trump whether he going to deny and play till the end when it's cannot deny anymore reality or finally uh he has to face the reality face the music and then decide one right decision you know admit that this went wrong and come to certain agreement but cannot flip anymore or taco every day or how the Trump always checking out and uh
[33:01] because you can't force Iran by military means to agree agreement you want you need to find the compromise. So whether the Trump going to do it and he running out of the time midterm election is there economy in a freef fall. So looks like look if there is anybody around the Trump who telling him hey this is a wrong decision you need to at least save America now. >> No there's nobody telling him that Victor uh to to put it most uh directly the war is over and the US has lost.
[33:34] That's it. It's lost. The Straight of Hormuz was open before the United States attacked. Now it's closed. It's closed because the Iranians say it's closed. It's it's Iranian territorial waters. It's the Iranians decision to either have it open or have it closed. And it's closed, which affects the entire global economy. Donald Trump did that to us. And now we have record high gas prices in the United States which caused the prices of everything else to go up in the United
[34:05] States and people are angry. And Donald Trump did this. So I think that the Iranians, you know, the Iranians have been there for what, 7,000 years? They live in the neighborhood. The US comes and goes and comes and goes. And I think the Iranians realize that Trump's only going to be president for another two and a half years, less than two and a half years. They can wait him out. They waited 7,000 years. they can wait for another two and a half because they're going to lo the the Israeli lobby and and the the
[34:37] pro-Israel faction are going to lose the midterm elections number one. The Democrats at least are going to win the House of Representatives and they're probably going to win the Senate. And the the Democrats are pro-Israel too usually, but they're at least better at recognizing public opinion. And public opinion is that Americans hate this war. they didn't want this war from the very beginning that the Israelis dragged us into this war and that we have to get out. So I I think that it'll it'll drag on
[35:08] for another couple of years because you know Donald Trump's demands that Israel that rather that Iran just give up and just just concede and just give up everything that's never going to happen in a million years. Never. Um and so they'll just wait him out. >> It's okay. would never admit and just kick the can down the road hoping that let's next president deal with this unless he won't again run for the >> May I add something else may I add something else too Victor you pointed
[35:39] you pointed it uh out a moment ago and that's the issue of sanctions we used to joke when I was at the CIA every every time there was another announcement we're going to have these new sanctions on Iran we would say how many more sanctions could there possibly be that we're we're imposing new sanctions on Iran. But let's talk about those sanctions. Okay, you're Victor Boot. You are an important figure in international intrigue, right? I remember hearing
[36:09] about the Victor Boot task force at the CIA. Very big deal. Okay. So, Victor, you're not allowed to open a checking account at a bank in the United States. That's a sanction. So when the Treasury Department announces a couple of weeks ago, new sanctions on Iran, okay, the new Ayatollah, he's not allowed to have a bank account in the United States. That's a sanction. Well, he doesn't want a bank account in the United States anyway. Or Iranian students are not allowed to
[36:41] study at universities in the United States. There are no Iranian students at universities in the United States anyway. That's another sanction. So, we make up these sanctions that are meaningless in the greater scheme of things. They look good on paper. It It allows the White House spokesman to call a press conference and to say that there are new sanctions on Iran. These sanctions aren't going to do anything. Like, literally nothing. They'll do nothing. And they will add no additional pressure to the Iranian government.
[37:11] Remember there are US and and western other western you know EU, Canadian whatever sanctions on Iran but there's free trade between the between the Iranians and China, Russia, India, Africa, Southeast Asia, Latin America. My partner happens to be Iranian and she's in Iran right now. We talk every single day and if there's one thing that I learned from her, it's that the
[37:41] Iranians lack for nothing. Anything they need, they have it. Thanks to the Chinese, the Russians, and the Indians. Everything. Food, spare parts, medicine, airplane parts, anything they need, they can buy. These sanctions do nothing. Especially Russia also learned a lot how to withstand sanctions after 2022 because Iran since 1980 under sanctions.
[38:14] So you know they have a kind of the master degree or you know academician level of the sanction avoiding it busting. >> Yeah for sure. Now coming to another conflict which is also uh on everybody uh back mind because inflicting what's going on in the world is a Russia Ukraine. >> Uh it's another lost war basically right now there is no military uh animal sense for Ukraine even to continue. They're just killing their future. The there is
[38:46] their infrastructure is destroyed. And again the Trump uh you know year ago in the encourage summit make a certain promise to Russian counterparts that they're going to go and force Ukrainians to accept the uh very reasonable very you know balance uh proposal for the peace settlement. >> Yeah. And now the uh last couple days Putin announced look the new conditions would be way more stronger. They still the same uh level based on the same uh
[39:19] basic principle like was a year ago but now we will add more regions to that. Ukraine efficiently cut off of the Black Sea their transit in the in the you know uh completely stop especially trade commerce. uh Ukraine depended a lot of the grain export uh min or metal or you know iron ore export and the uh iron exports from the Black Sea ports and now uh Russia leveled because there is no uh
[39:51] uh um interceptors for the Patriot system in in Kiev. So every day the Russian air force you know successfully destroying whatever remaining whatever was hiding there. Well, it's still done I would say uh without touching their leadership but we still keeping understanding sooner or later they realize at least they will come and the negotiation table and and at least accept the reality and fix on some honorable you know end of this deal for
[40:22] them too but looks like they don't want to. It's like suicidal mission for Ukrainians. At the same time, Trump can easily uh give the orders to stop sharing intelligence because every deep strike in Russia are not possible without uh American satellite and the online data sharing for intelligence data to Ukraines. Every time uh before they send their drones, they receiving you know adjusted uh situation how to
[40:53] avoid rad detection. what was the previous one and Palunteer is involved and Elon Musk uh Starlink is involved. So two critical factors which and if Trump stops uh Starlink providing services and the uh basically you know intelligence sharing this war is over within 24 hours. >> Sure. >> So either you know in Russia we are now fully understood that Trump not interested in this war because he is making a lot of money. He don't care
[41:24] about Ukrainians neither about Russian. It's all about talks that he want to prevent and stop this conflict. But sooner or later he will also face the same basically problem like in Iran you have to be pragmatic enough to negotiate and settle before it's not too late because end of the story there is would be basically capitulation agreement from the Russian uh side towards to Ukrainian unless you not capitulate nothing else would be
[41:56] possible why on earth they not accepting this condition right now the winter coming there is no energy infrastructure. Russia still uh do not uh destroying their water savages uh you know infrastructure to avoid sanitary catastrophe but but sooner or later we we have to come to this because Ukrainians start infrastructure war not Russia before that we never even hit any single uh refinery or storage even we knew they used for the uh Ukrainian
[42:28] armed forces. >> Yeah that's exactly right. Um this is a case where you know from from the very beginning of of the operation those of us who watch these issues said the bottom line is actually quite simple. The bottom line is that is that the the Russian minority in eastern Ukraine had to be protected and that the Ukrainians were going to have to concede territory to Russian to Russia. That that's the
[42:58] bottom line. Here we are now all these years later and the Ukrainians would be lucky to have that as the uh as the solution where things went arry from an American policy perspective is that I think Donald Trump really did want this thing to end. You know, this was another conflict that he said he would end it in 24 hours. I think that he believed that he could force the Ukrainians to accept uh the essentially the Russian position.
[43:31] Just give up the territory. It's ethnically Russian anyway and we're going to have peace. And um it just didn't it didn't happen. And then little by little, the military-industrial complex got got into his head and told him, "Look, the Russians uh they supplied the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War and they killed American soldiers and the Russians helped the Taliban to kill Americans in Afghanistan
[44:03] and the Russians are bad and the Russians did this and the Russians did that." they got to him to the point where he's kind of backed away from this original position. And then when you have the likes of Laura Loomer, for those of your of your viewers, Victor, who don't know who Laura Loomer is, she is what I believe to be a crazy person who is so extreme in her views that even Donald Trump would not give her a
[44:34] government job. but she's very very close to Trump. She's very active in the Make America Great Again conservative Republican movement. She's a regular at Mara Lago and she recently flipped. She was pro-Russian and last week she flipped to be pro- Ukrainian and she went to Kiev and she met with Zalinski and said that Trump should keep the war going. So, I think that that Zalinski
[45:06] stood up to Trump and said, "We're we're going to fight this war with you or without you. We still have the Germans, the Poles, the British, the Belgians, the Dutch, the French. So, you're either with us or you're not. And even if you're not, we're going to continue to fight." And Trump just gave up. I think that he's not interested in this uh in this conflict. I think that he really believed that he could end it. I think that the Russian government
[45:38] hoped that he could end it by by insisting that the Ukrainians accept the deal and the Ukrainians just kind of uh gave him the finger and that was the end of it. Oh yes, we aware who is Lud or what? Laura Loomer, we're aware of that how how she flipped out. But okay. And the final question I have for you is regarding the situation where the Ukraine main export commodity become a
[46:09] terrorism. >> Yeah. >> And now they are trying to practice this on Russia. Yes. There is a a really problem with that because since they can't win military they start really trying to sabotage to use our teenagers to use our uh senior people and all kind of the scheme all these call centers who scamming Russians at the same time since recent disclosure we know that they at the same time scheming Russian they've been scheming in you know three four
[46:41] times more Americans >> you know simultaneously skimming Russians, >> the hand who was feeding them, they would, you know, used to scam the people who was feeding them, who was fundraising, who was putting the flags on their yards, on their houses, Ukrainians flags, who was chairing the soon victory of Ukraine, not really uh to watch from outside. So the main question is what uh you think in this situation uh concern of the even your ex
[47:15] uh contacts or ex- friends who still in CIA because sooner or later this terrorism network of Ukrainians going to come and they all now we know that they are start turf fighting in Europe and eventually they helping the Mexican drug cartels and they would be the factor who would also destabilize as United Stealth itself. So it's also from you know any law enforcement and intelligence a nightmare where you are feeding organization who are you not controlling
[47:46] who going to come back and you know completely knowing how it's operational how and you arm them, you train them and they're going to attack you. They're going to kill you people because they either would scam you or you know hijack you or you know whatever you know it's it's very very strange situation. Yeah, th this is something I think most Americans don't understand, Victor, and that is that conflicts like this cause intelligence services like the
[48:17] CIA, like the Ukrainians to enact policies, that are illegal, that are ill- advised, and that become something like like a hydra. It's an animal with, you know, nine heads. And if you chop off one head, two more heads uh sprout out. The next thing you you know, it's something that you've just pointed out. You're going to have Ukrainians working for the Mexican cartels. You're going to have Ukrainians heading terrorist groups. We know that
[48:48] that Ukrainians, for example, have um have recruited unwitting teenagers to attack Russian interests in uh Europe. So yeah, I want to point a point I want to uh add one other thing that I think is is important and that is that these attacks that you're describing attacks on water treatment facilities, on apartment buildings, on shopping malls,
[49:18] um these are violations of international law. They're they're the very definition of war crimes. And so just because you know one side thinks that it's made up of the good guys doesn't mean it can it can carry out war crimes or crimes against humanity. And I think that in the end this is going to be this is going to be a situation that comes back and bites the west because these Ukrainians are going to be battleh
[49:50] hardened. They're going to be well trained in, you know, counter insurgency or in insurgency. They're not going to know anything else. And that spawns terrorism. We saw it in Afghanistan. We saw it in Iraq. We've seen it all over the world. There's no reason why it it won't happen in Ukraine as well. >> Well, uh, basically, you're absolutely right. So let's hope that this conflict will ends up also with a uh you know new
[50:22] addition of the Nuremberg war crime tribal >> and then before that we need to have another Yala 2.0 to finally bring America you know to negotiate because as our president Putin said the new world will happen whether America wants it or not. The question is either they would be on the table you know or they would be outside the room but then the agreement would be done without them. So let's hope >> you know because we understand the
[50:54] American people is also you know understanding this all and they are not happy what's going on like many many uh other you know normal people all over the world and we uh on our level need to do everything first of all that this uh all conflicts finished as soon as you know possible and we can deal with the consequences of these two conflict because reverberation and consequ quences will haunt us for the next several years if not decades to come.
[51:26] >> Agreed. I think you've hit the nail on the head. >> Okay. Uh thank you John. Uh uh I would be pleased also to to you know again you know call you and check what's going on and you know it was my pleasure to talk to you. Thank you very much. >> Pleasure is mine. Thank you Victor. All the best. >> Thank you. Thanks a lot and I see you. Okay. You're doing well. Thank you. Thank you. >> I hope to see you in Moscow when you next time. >> I look forward to that very much. >> Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Bye. Okay. Thank you.