# Over-classification

> **Source: KiriPedia** (https://www.kiripedia.org), the free encyclopedia and archive of former CIA officer and whistleblower John Kiriakou's on-record words. Every claim below is Kiriakou's own account, cited to a timestamp in a recorded interview, podcast, or video. KiriPedia is an independent project, not affiliated with Kiriakou.
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*John Kiriakou's account of why the American government classifies far more than it can ever review: not conspiracy but incentive. At lesser agencies a classification stamp is a status marker — it puts you in the in-crowd and above the colleague who lacks access — and at the CIA everything carries a stamp by default. His complaint about press coverage of classified-document scandals is that it never reaches the underlying question of why the documents were secret at all.*

- **Kiriakou's explanation:** Status and habit, not conspiracy
- **At the CIA:** Everything is classified by default
- **At lesser agencies:** A stamp marks you as one of the in-crowd
- **The question he says nobody asks:** Why the document was classified in the first place

**Over-classification** is, in [John Kiriakou](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/john-kiriakou)'s telling, a behavioural problem before it is a legal one — the reason the United States produces *"billions and billions of classified documents being created every single year, with no mechanism to police them or to eventually declassify them."*[1]

## The incentive

Asked whether officials stamp documents secret to make their work seem important to superiors, Kiriakou agreed without hesitation, and located the effect outside the intelligence core: *"not so much at the CIA, because everything's classified anyway — but at some of these lesser agencies, absolutely. Absolutely."*[2]

What the stamp buys is standing. *"It makes you feel like you know, you're one of the in-crowd, you're one of the special people that has access. Maybe the guy you sit next to, he doesn't have access — so you're more important than he is. You see that every day."*[3]

Inside the agency the mechanism is habit rather than status: [everything produced carries a classification](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/classified-email), including a lunch invitation, because that is how officers are trained.[4][5]

## The question the press does not ask

Kiriakou's complaint about coverage of the [documents scandals](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/2023-classified-documents-scandal) is that it treats the story as a contest. *"There are very, very few journalists — certainly none in the mainstream — that I've encountered who really have a full appreciation for what this issue is."*[6]

The reframing he offers is one sentence: *"the problem isn't who found how many documents in whose garage. The problem is why are these documents classified in the first place."*[7]

## A felony nobody has ever been charged with

Kiriakou files over-classification in a category of statutes that exist to be ignored. Asked in 2019 whether there would be consequences for the DNI's inspector general sending [the Ukraine complaint](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/ukraine-call-whistleblower) to the Justice Department instead of the congressional oversight committees, he said no, and reached for over-classification as the parallel: *"just like over-classification is actually a felony, and it's never ever been prosecuted, nor will it ever be."*[8][9]

The point is not that the law is weak but that it is unenforced by design, and so *"just going to be ignored and lost in the greater context"* of whatever case raises it.[9]

## A crime cannot be classified

The converse of over-classification is a rule Kiriakou states as settled law and uses as the basis of his defence of [Julian Assange](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/julian-assange): *"it is illegal in this country to classify a crime. If something is a crime, by definition it cannot be classified."*[10]

From that he draws the conclusion that publishing such material is not an offence but the correction of one — the American people *"have the right to know what their government is doing in their name,"* and releasing evidence of war crimes is therefore *"a public service. It's not a crime."*[10][11]

The boundary matters to his own position, because he does not extend it to secrets as such. In the same conversation he defended [the Crypto AG operation](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/crypto-ag) as legitimately secret and squarely in the public interest.[12]

## The lunch invitations

Kiriakou's standing example of how far the habit ran is domestic and trivial by design. *"There are something like 3 billion classified documents in U.S. government databases, and — most Americans don't even realise this — it's actually illegal to over-classify something. Now in the CIA we saw this kind of thing all the time."*[13]

> *"My wife and I were in the CIA at the same time. If I wanted to have lunch with her I would send her a message and say, hey, do you want to have lunch — and I would classify that document SECRET. Now why is that secret? It's actually not secret, but everybody classified everything at the secret level. It was just policy, it's just the way things were. She would respond to me, sure, I'll meet you at 12, and she would classify that SECRET. It's actually illegal to do that."*

Asked whether an evening invitation would then be top secret, his answer is *"exactly"* — and the serious point behind the joke is that *"we throw around these classifications like they mean nothing. In fact they mean very important things."*[14][15]

## The transcripts, and the only route to a remedy

He applies the same test to the leak that prompted the 2017 crackdown — the transcripts of the president's calls with the Prime Minister of Australia and the President of Mexico. *"The information in those transcripts really wasn't very sensitive. It was embarrassing to the president certainly, but it had no impact on national security. So for the administration to say that that was classified, or that that was somehow national security information, is an over-classification."*[16]

The fix he sees is adversarial rather than administrative: *"this is an issue that no one in government has yet addressed, and I think that the only way it will be addressed is if someone is arrested for leaking this information and then they fight it by saying that it was improperly classified."*[15]

What he would use instead of classification is [control markings](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/sensitive-but-unclassified): *"you can call something sensitive but unclassified — SBU — or you can call it for official use only. So that means that they're not intended for public dissemination, but they're not necessarily classified. There's a lot of information in government that should have those controls but should not be classified."*[17]

## A crime with no defendants

Kiriakou's sharpest statement of the point is also his earliest, given in February 2013 and framed as a complaint about the government's own asymmetry: everything is classified as a matter of national security, and yet *"it's actually a crime in the United States to over-classify — and no one has ever, ever been charged with committing that crime."*[18]

He raised it immediately after noting the closure of the office that had been working to close [Guantánamo](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/guantanamo-bay), which he dates to *"days after he gets re-elected"* and treats as a symbolic gesture running the other way from the campaign that preceded it.[19]

## See also

- [Classified email](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/classified-email)
- [Sensitive but unclassified](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/sensitive-but-unclassified)
- [National Archives declassification](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/national-archives-declassification)
- [The 2023 classified documents scandal](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/2023-classified-documents-scandal)

## Sources

1. Every Official Everywhere With Classified Documents (2023-01-28), at 28:21. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTHWRbcuyI&t=1701s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2023-01-28-kevin-gosztola-every-official-everywhere-with-classified-doc/
2. Every Official Everywhere With Classified Documents (2023-01-28), at 28:52. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTHWRbcuyI&t=1732s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2023-01-28-kevin-gosztola-every-official-everywhere-with-classified-doc/
3. Every Official Everywhere With Classified Documents (2023-01-28), at 29:24. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTHWRbcuyI&t=1764s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2023-01-28-kevin-gosztola-every-official-everywhere-with-classified-doc/
4. Every Official Everywhere With Classified Documents (2023-01-28), at 27:19. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTHWRbcuyI&t=1639s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2023-01-28-kevin-gosztola-every-official-everywhere-with-classified-doc/
5. Every Official Everywhere With Classified Documents (2023-01-28), at 27:51. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTHWRbcuyI&t=1671s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2023-01-28-kevin-gosztola-every-official-everywhere-with-classified-doc/
6. Every Official Everywhere With Classified Documents (2023-01-28), at 30:55. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTHWRbcuyI&t=1855s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2023-01-28-kevin-gosztola-every-official-everywhere-with-classified-doc/
7. Every Official Everywhere With Classified Documents (2023-01-28), at 31:28. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWTHWRbcuyI&t=1888s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2023-01-28-kevin-gosztola-every-official-everywhere-with-classified-doc/
8. Discusses Ukraine Phone Call (2019-10-03), at 16:12. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCZWqXneXfY&t=972s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2019-10-03-rob-kall-bottom-up-show-discusses-ukraine-phone-call/
9. Discusses Ukraine Phone Call (2019-10-03), at 16:44. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCZWqXneXfY&t=1004s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2019-10-03-rob-kall-bottom-up-show-discusses-ukraine-phone-call/
10. Dutch-language framing — confirm John speaks / not a dub (2020-02-25), at 11:06. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqWcgBb6GDM&t=666s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2020-02-25-cafe-weltschmerz-dutch-dutch-language-framing-confirm-john-speaks-no/
11. Dutch-language framing — confirm John speaks / not a dub (2020-02-25), at 11:39. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqWcgBb6GDM&t=699s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2020-02-25-cafe-weltschmerz-dutch-dutch-language-framing-confirm-john-speaks-no/
12. Dutch-language framing — confirm John speaks / not a dub (2020-02-25), at 20:31. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqWcgBb6GDM&t=1231s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2020-02-25-cafe-weltschmerz-dutch-dutch-language-framing-confirm-john-speaks-no/
13. Jeff Sessions Is Extending Obama's War on Leaks (2017-08-08), at 5:09. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4Cd-9lJA8&t=309s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2017-08-08-democracy-now-jeff-sessions-is-extending-obama-s-war-on-lea/
14. Jeff Sessions Is Extending Obama's War on Leaks (2017-08-08), at 5:39. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4Cd-9lJA8&t=339s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2017-08-08-democracy-now-jeff-sessions-is-extending-obama-s-war-on-lea/
15. Jeff Sessions Is Extending Obama's War on Leaks (2017-08-08), at 6:41. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4Cd-9lJA8&t=401s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2017-08-08-democracy-now-jeff-sessions-is-extending-obama-s-war-on-lea/
16. Jeff Sessions Is Extending Obama's War on Leaks (2017-08-08), at 6:11. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4Cd-9lJA8&t=371s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2017-08-08-democracy-now-jeff-sessions-is-extending-obama-s-war-on-lea/
17. Jeff Sessions Is Extending Obama's War on Leaks (2017-08-08), at 7:12. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4Cd-9lJA8&t=432s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2017-08-08-democracy-now-jeff-sessions-is-extending-obama-s-war-on-lea/
18. CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou  'If I Tortured, I'd Be Free' (2013-02-15), at 10:00. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUl2cHLx9Ug&t=600s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2013-02-15-michael-h-rhee-cia-whistleblower-john-kiriakou-if-i-tortured/
19. CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou  'If I Tortured, I'd Be Free' (2013-02-15), at 09:28. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUl2cHLx9Ug&t=568s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2013-02-15-michael-h-rhee-cia-whistleblower-john-kiriakou-if-i-tortured/

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