# The cyber victimhood complaint

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*John Kiriakou's dismissal of American public complaint about foreign cyber attacks — that everything the United States accuses Iran, North Korea and China of doing, it does itself every day, because disrupting foreign networks is the NSA's job as much as intercepting communications is. Better security is needed, he says, but so is it by everyone else, against the United States.*

- **Countries named:** Iran, North Korea, China
- **The NSA's job, per Kiriakou:** Not only interception but disruption of cyber networks
- **His term for the discourse:** "Self-flagellation and victimhood"
- **What he concedes:** Better cyber security is needed
- **What he adds:** Everyone else needs it against the United States too

**The cyber victimhood complaint** is [John Kiriakou](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/john-kiriakou)'s objection to the way cyber security is discussed in American public life — not to the security problem, but to the posture of injury that accompanies it.

## The symmetry

Kiriakou refuses the premise that the United States is on the receiving end of something it does not do. *"in terms of of cyber security listen everything that we accuse the Iranians of doing and the North Koreans of doing and the Chinese of doing we do literally every single day."*[1]

The institutional grounding he gives is the mandate of the [NSA](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/nsa): *"that's why we have NSA nsa's job isn't just to intercept Communications electronic communications it's also to disrupt cyber networks that's what they get paid to do."*[1]

## The verdict

Having established the symmetry, he refuses the tone. *"so this self-flagellation and victimhood just doesn't fly yes of course we need better cyber security but everybody else needs better cyber security against us too."*[1][2]

He concedes the technical need without conceding the grievance, and his closing description of the public debate is dismissive rather than analytical: *"this ongoing drum beat of complaints over cyber security just doesn't do anything for me it just seems to be it just seems to be empty."*[2]

The argument is the same shape as the one he applies to espionage between allies — that an activity every service performs cannot simultaneously be treated as an outrage when performed against the United States.

## See also

- [NSA](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/nsa)
- [NSA Surveillance](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/nsa-surveillance)
- [China as economic threat](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/china-economic-threat)
- [The hundred and eighty-seven Israeli officers](https://www.kiripedia.org/wiki/the-hundred-eighty-seven-israeli-officers)

## Sources

1. John Kiriakou, Former CIA Counter Terrorism Specialist on Cy (2025-02-03), at 00:05. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMbSh_YLZ80&t=5s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2025-02-03-covertaction-magazine-john-kiriakou-former-cia-counter-terrorism-sp/
2. John Kiriakou, Former CIA Counter Terrorism Specialist on Cy (2025-02-03), at 00:36. Recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMbSh_YLZ80&t=36s · Transcript: https://www.kiripedia.org/sources/2025-02-03-covertaction-magazine-john-kiriakou-former-cia-counter-terrorism-sp/

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