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Abigail Spanberger

Governor of Virginia from 2025 and, before Congress, a CIA officer alongside John Kiriakou in the Counterterrorism Center — whom he calls a perfectly nice person who would have been a middle-of-the-road Republican in the 1970s and 1980s, and whose victory speech, to his surprise, said all the right things.

Abigail Spanberger is the governor of Virginia elected in November 2025, a former CIA officer and member of Congress, and one of the few serving American politicians with whom John Kiriakou can claim a working relationship inside the agency.

The colleague

Kiriakou states the connection plainly and repeatedly. “I’ve taken a couple of swipes at Abby Spanberger, and I mentioned yesterday: Abby and I worked together in the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center.”[1]

The personal assessment is warm and the political one is not. Casting his early vote at the Arlington courthouse a fortnight before the election, he described her as “a perfectly nice person, but she would, in the 1970s and 80s, be kind of a middle-of-the-road Republican.”[2]

He repeats the placement without softening it: “So Spanberger, in my view, is very conservative. She’s from the conservative wing of the Democratic party.”[3]

How she ran

On the campaign itself, his description matches his placement of her. “She ran as a moderate, a right-of-centre Democrat, a conservative Democrat.”[1]

The debate he watched turned less on her positions than on her opponent’s conduct, which he says was so relentless that “Spanberger couldn’t get a word out.” Her central line of attack, in his account, was that Winsome Earle-Sears supported discrimination.[3][4]

The victory speech

Kiriakou’s assessment changed, at least in tone, on the night. “In her post-election victory speech last night, she said all the right things. And man, I hope — for the sake of having a viable Democratic party — that they listen to what she said.”[1]

The list he gave: constitutional amendments to guarantee abortion rights and to recognise same-sex marriages in perpetuity, and a first bill guaranteeing a $15 minimum wage plus paid parental leave. He noted the significance of the list in one clause — “none of which has ever been done in Virginia before” — and predicted that a handgun registration measure would probably fail.[5][6]

His approval was for the method rather than the person: “real ideas for a change, instead of: oh, vote for me because I’m not Donald Trump.”[6]

See also

References

  1. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-0502:36 on YouTube · Transcript
  2. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-10-2232:50 on YouTube · Transcript
  3. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-10-2233:56 on YouTube · Transcript
  4. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-10-2234:26 on YouTube · Transcript
  5. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-0503:08 on YouTube · Transcript
  6. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-0503:43 on YouTube · Transcript

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