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The Brett Stephens column
From KiriPedia, the archive of John Kiriakou's on-record words
Based on 1 recorded interview · Last updated
A New York Times column arguing that genocidal statements by Israeli officials after October 7 were intemperate rather than policy, which John Kiriakou answered with a test of his own: if the remarks had not been official policy, the officials who made them would have been fired, and instead two of them became ministers.
The Brett Stephens column is a New York Times opinion piece published in late July 2025 that John Kiriakou said he was “still haunted by” two days after reading it.[1]
The argument in the column
As Kiriakou summarises it, the column conceded that people who call the war in Gaza a genocide point to the genocidal comments made by high-ranking Israeli officials in the days after October 7, and answered that those officials “were just being intemperate. They were being spicy. They were just angry about October 7th.”[1]
The test he applies
Kiriakou does not dispute the premise directly. He grants it for the sake of argument — “let’s just say that, you know, we’re going to pretend here that Brett Stevens is telling the truth” — and then applies a single test. If the remarks had genuinely not been the official policy of the Israeli government, “those people would have been fired.”[2]
He supplies the response a government that meant it would have given, in the voice of a hypothetical Israeli president: “what are you doing? That’s not who we are. Please leave. Leave your ID at the door.” Instead, he says, the government “left them in there.”[2] His own view is that the policy is not in doubt in any case, “because all the journalists have reported that it is.”[2]
The two ministers
The officials he has in mind are Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir, and the point he adds is a matter of record rather than of interpretation: both “were successfully prosecuted for felony hate crimes against Palestinians years before ever becoming ministers in the Netanyahu government.”[3]
His measure of that record is Nuremberg. “People went to prison at Nuremberg for less,” he says, and reaches for Julius Streicher as the example — a man who, however nasty a piece of work, “just” published a newspaper.[3][4]
Sourced from John Kiriakou's on-record public statements. See his profile for the full body of his interviews, podcast appearances, and short-form video.
