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The C-130 resettlements

John Kiriakou's confirmation that the Hmong communities of Minnesota were former CIA assets brought to the United States as refugees, and his extension of a rule Ted Rall proposed — that refugee populations end up wherever the aircraft carrying them happened to land — to the Kurds of Bismarck, North Dakota and St Louis.

The C-130 resettlements is the name for a rule of American refugee geography that John Kiriakou and Ted Rall arrived at together in December 2025, when a viewer asked about immigration enforcement in Minnesota.

The Minnesota question

Kiriakou began from family knowledge of the state: his brother lived there for nine years and his sister for about fifteen. There are large communities of Somalis, and of Hmong and Lao — and he said he had been unaware that a lack of documentation was a problem among them.[1][2]

Rall’s reason for the same puzzlement was that these people had been brought in, especially the Hmong. Kiriakou completed the sentence: “They were former CIA assets.”[2] Rall’s confirmation followed — they were working for the CIA or for the military, and were brought over as refugees.[2]

The rule

Rall then set out the mechanism as he understood it, and asked to be corrected. In these situations everyone packs into a C-130, the aircraft lands at whatever United States Air Force base it happens to land at, and “that’s kind of like where you live” — which, he said, is how Dayton ended up with a large Vietnamese population.[2][3]

Kiriakou did not correct it. He extended it, supplying two further cases: “And and Bismarck North Dakota and St. Louis with a ton of Kurds. Iraqi Kurds.”[3] Rall’s response — “So random” — drew Kiriakou’s agreement: “Exactly right.”[3]

What it means

Rall’s summing-up was that there is a certain beauty to it and that it is also very strange, and the conversation moved on without either man drawing a policy conclusion.[3][4]

The rule matters in Kiriakou’s commentary because it links two things he treats as connected: the American habit of recruiting local allies for a war, and the improvised, unplanned way in which those allies are absorbed into the country afterwards — the same failure he describes in far harsher terms in the case of the Afghan Zero Units.

See also

References

  1. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-12-1051:22 on YouTube · Transcript
  2. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-12-1051:53 on YouTube · Transcript
  3. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-12-1052:24 on YouTube · Transcript
  4. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-12-1052:54 on YouTube · Transcript

Sourced from John Kiriakou's on-record public statements. See his profile for the full body of his interviews, podcast appearances, and short-form video.