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The first interview John Kiriakou gave after leaving prison, on the BBC programme he describes as hard-hitting and mean-spirited, in which a host pressing him to show remorse drew the formulation he has used ever since: it is not a crime to reveal a crime.
The HardTalk interview was the first John Kiriakou gave after his release from prison. He describes the BBC programme as “a kind of a hard-hitting mean-spirited talk show” whose host “kept trying to provoke me.”[1]
The provocation that worked was an accusation of unrepentance: “Well, you’re not showing any remorse for the crime that you committed.” The answer has since become his standing formulation of the case against his own conviction.[2]
“No, because I have no remorse. It’s not a crime to reveal a crime. The crime was committed by the CIA. The crime was committed by the torturers. I’ll never apologize for what I did.”
He followed it immediately with an appeal to authority rather than to sentiment: “John McCain got up on the floor of the United States Senate to thank me for providing a public service to the American people. I’m glad that I did what I did.” The force of the citation, in his telling, is that McCain had himself been tortured.[2][3]
The same exchange produces his flattest statement of what the Espionage Act charge amounted to: “talking to the New York Times and the ABC News is not espionage. Sorry, it’s just not.”[3]
Sourced from John Kiriakou's on-record public statements. See his profile for the full body of his interviews, podcast appearances, and short-form video.
