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The Macrons' libel action against Candace Owens over her claim that Brigitte Macron was born male, which John Kiriakou discussed as a question of venue — and which prompted him to say he wished he had sued the Los Angeles Times in England when he had the chance.
The Macron defamation suit is the libel action Emmanuel and Brigitte Macron brought against Candace Owens in July 2025, discussed by John Kiriakou on the DeProgram programme the day it was reported.
The claim and the warning
Owens had spent about three years asserting that Brigitte Macron was born male, and had made a documentary to that effect, arguing that no childhood history, documents or photographs existed.[1][2] What was new, and had not been publicly known until days before, was that the Macrons had approached her through attorneys about a year earlier and told her to stop, on pain of suit. She did not stop; she doubled down, saying in part that her conversion to Catholicism required her to expose the person she described as masquerading as the first lady of France.[3][4]
The question of venue
Asked where the suit should be brought, Kiriakou treated the choice of forum as the substantive question and answered it in one word: England.[4]
The regret he attached to it
The answer led him directly to his own case. “I really wish I’d sued the LA Times in England,” he said. “I could have, because of the internet. And so … I should have” — acknowledging in the same breath that it “would have required me to go to England quite a bit.”[4][5]
The remark is one of the few occasions on which Kiriakou has named a legal step against a news organisation that he considered available to him and did not take.
Sourced from John Kiriakou's on-record public statements. See his profile for the full body of his interviews, podcast appearances, and short-form video.
