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The Mallios argument

The confrontation John Kiriakou describes with his mentor Gust Avrakotos while the two worked the 17 November task force — Kiriakou remarked in passing that the group's second victim, the Greek police chief Mallios, had been a torturer under the junta; Avrakotos slammed him against a wall; and the exchange that followed became the basis of their friendship.

John Kiriakou describes Gust Avrakotos — the officer made famous by Charlie Wilson’s War, and portrayed in the film by Philip Seymour Hoffman — as a father figure and one of the most controversial men in the CIA: a man who “killed a lot of Russians, a lot of medals, promotions, couldn’t get along with anybody. Everybody hated Gust and Gust hated everybody. But he was a sweetheart deep down. You just had to know how to deal with him.”[1]

The story he offers as evidence of what “knowing how to deal with him” meant is an argument about a dead policeman.

The remark

The two were working the 17 November task force together. Kiriakou mentioned offhandedly that the group’s second victim — the former chief of the Hellenic National Police, Mallios — had been a torturer during the junta.[2]

The reaction

Avrakotos grabbed him by the lapels and slammed him against the wall. “Mallios was my friend.”[2]

Kiriakou’s answer, as he gives it: “you better get your hands off of me, old man, or I’m going to make you sorry.”[3]

When Avrakotos let go, Kiriakou did not retract the substance. “What’s wrong with you? Mallios was a torturer. I’m sorry if he was your friend, I’m sorry he got shot in the head, but he was a torturer. And keep your hands to yourself next time.”[3]

The aftermath

The outcome was not an apology but an assessment. Afterwards, Kiriakou says, Avrakotos told him: “I really respect you for the way you reacted.”[3]

“So anyway, we were friends.”[4]

The friendship mattered operationally. It is the reason Kiriakou telephoned Avrakotos when he could see no way to reach the incoming intelligence representative of a hostile state, and it is the reason he was given the manoeuvre that became the broken side-view mirror — a trick Avrakotos said he had used himself in the 1950s.[4]

Kiriakou does not resolve the disagreement about Mallios in the retelling. He states his own view of the man as a fact and reports Avrakotos’s as an affection, and lets the two stand alongside each other.

See also

References

  1. Dalton Fischer Podcast, 2023-11-1601:01 on YouTube · Transcript
  2. Dalton Fischer Podcast, 2023-11-1601:31 on YouTube · Transcript
  3. Dalton Fischer Podcast, 2023-11-1602:02 on YouTube · Transcript
  4. Dalton Fischer Podcast, 2023-11-1602:33 on YouTube · Transcript

Sourced from John Kiriakou's on-record public statements. See his profile for the full body of his interviews, podcast appearances, and short-form video.