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"When did you become a fascist?"
From KiriPedia, the archive of John Kiriakou's on-record words
Based on 1 recorded interview · Last updated
The exchange John Kiriakou recalls with a former intern of his, a Yale sophomore he had supervised in Bahrain in the mid-1990s who resurfaced ten years later as a Pentagon under-secretariat for intelligence hire, briefing the CIA on Iraq. Walking him to his car after the briefing, Kiriakou asked *"Michael, when did you become a fascist?"* and got the answer he uses to date the neoconservative capture of the Bush administration, *"We're in charge now. We're in charge and Saddam Hussein's going to die."*
“When did you become a fascist?” is the question John Kiriakou put to a former intern of his in the parking lot of CIA headquarters, before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The answer he got back is the compressed line Kiriakou returns to when asked what changed inside the Pentagon between the George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush administrations.
The intern in Bahrain
“When I was in Bahrain from 94 to 96, I had an intern working for me and he was a student at Yale. He was a sophomore at Yale. Really really smart guy. And we kind of sort of stayed in touch in the years after. He stayed at Yale and got a masters. Then he got a PhD.”[1][2]
Then a note: “Hey, I just got a job at the Pentagon, working in this new under-secretariat for intelligence.” Kiriakou invited him to headquarters to brief the CIA’s deputy director for operations, his own boss, on the Pentagon’s Iraq thinking.[2]
The briefing
“He comes over, gives this briefing, and I remember being like appalled. And my boss kept looking at me like, ‘What are you doing bringing this guy here?’”[3]
The parking lot
Kiriakou walked him out. “‘Michael, I have to ask you, when did you become a fascist?’ And he turned to me and he says, ‘We’re in charge now. We’re in charge and Saddam Hussein’s going to die.’ And I was like, ‘Oh my god.’”[3]
What became of him
Kiriakou declined on air to name the man, but placed him: “He’s working for all those guys at the Pentagon who later became famous and appeared in Vanity Fair in these exposés about how we ended up at war in Iraq. It turns out that they just bided their time knowing that they had a champion in Dick Cheney, that Dick Cheney was the one running the show.”[4]
Sourced from John Kiriakou's on-record public statements. See his profile for the full body of his interviews, podcast appearances, and short-form video.
