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"Stefanik will not be governor"

John Kiriakou's flat, on-the-record prediction about the New York governor's race, made against a friend he describes as irrationally conservative who insisted the contest would turn on a single issue — the right to carry a gun. Kiriakou called it the most ridiculous thing he had heard the man say, and argued that Elise Stefanik's political career is finished.

John Kiriakou described a long conversation with a friend he characterises as “not just a Republican and a conservative, but irrationally Republican and conservative” — someone who, when challenged, “doesn’t have any idea why he believes these things” and simply repeats what the right says he is supposed to believe.[1]

The theory

The friend’s confident claim was that Elise Stefanik would win the governorship. Kiriakou’s answer was immediate: “Absolutely not. This year or any other year, she’s not going to win.”[2]

The friend then produced what Kiriakou calls a very complicated reason, resting on one issue: that New Yorkers are not allowed to carry guns, that everywhere you go there are signs saying no guns — “especially around New York City” — and that he cannot even carry his gun to the police station.[2][3]

The rebuttal

Kiriakou rejected the factual premise outright, with a comparison drawn from his own travels: “there are more signs in Kabul that say you can’t carry a gun into an establishment than there are in New York.”[3]

His explanation is that the issue is invisible rather than settled: guns are “so off the radar in New York City that nobody bothers to ban them from their businesses.”[4] Ted Rall agreed, adding that the legal position had changed in any case after the Supreme Court decision.[3]

Kiriakou then put the friend’s theory in the mouth of an imagined voter to show what it required: “People are going to say, oh, I’m pro-choice and I support the social safety net, but I’m going to vote for Stefanik because she wants me to be able to carry a gun to a gas station. I said, that’s seriously what you’re telling me.”[5][6]

His verdict on the argument was direct: “That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard you say, and I’ve heard you say some really stupid things.”[5]

The prediction on the record

Kiriakou then made the forecast deliberately and dated it: “I’m going to say it right now, where there’s plenty of time. Elise Stefanik will not be governor of New York. Period.”[6]

Rall concurred and noted the general point does not extend to all Republicans — George Pataki won, and Kiriakou called him a good one — but held that the demographics no longer permit it.[7]

The career

Kiriakou’s wider assessment is that she was mishandled and is now finished. He said she “got screwed politically”: she was to be ambassador to the United Nations, and the nomination was withdrawn because the president thought it better for her to keep her congressional seat.[8] Needing something to do, “she ended up just saying, well, I’ll run for governor.”[9]

“She’s very talented. She was going places in the Republican Party,” Kiriakou said — “and I think her political career is done. She can’t get elected to the Senate. She won’t get elected governor. Another Republican’s going to take her House seat. I think she’s done.”[9][10] Asked why she was running a race he put at five-to-one against, he cited a rule of his own: “you should never ever pick a fight that you cannot win.”[10][11]

See also

References

  1. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1033:49 on YouTube · Transcript
  2. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1034:21 on YouTube · Transcript
  3. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1034:51 on YouTube · Transcript
  4. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1035:21 on YouTube · Transcript
  5. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1035:54 on YouTube · Transcript
  6. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1036:24 on YouTube · Transcript
  7. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1036:56 on YouTube · Transcript
  8. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1038:27 on YouTube · Transcript
  9. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1039:30 on YouTube · Transcript
  10. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1040:02 on YouTube · Transcript
  11. DeProgram Show with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas, 2025-11-1040:32 on YouTube · Transcript

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